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April 18, 2019, 02:05:52 AM
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This while continually asking me to leave you a trust rating and add you to my network while showering me with Merit at the time.  Between that pathetic manipulation attempt failure escalating to you telling me that you'd add me to your distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller and if I did you would add me to your trust list

Show that PM thread - cause I am calling you a liar.  (Hint:  Our conversation was on Apr 6, 2018)

And since you didn't deny my accusation, I guess you are a hypocrite just like your moron Quickseller.

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Edit:  Did I shower you with merit around april 6, 2018?

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April 18, 2019, 05:08:36 AM
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Vod, please smoke a fat blunt on 420. Wink


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April 18, 2019, 07:38:55 AM
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Here's an example of the trust system's stupid shit.  Last of the V8s claims I scammed 2,100 BTC.  This is untrue, and yet some of the con-artists on DT have actually included this moron.  

Reminds me of when, years ago, I initially PMed you about including the moron Quickseller in your DT2 trust list.

You promptly told me he had done nothing wrong to you.  

So why the hypocrisy here?   "Last of the V8s" has done nothing wrong to everyone else... :/

[...]You were crying about a trust feedback I left because we had a successful business deal even though I noted his prior bad behavior in my feedback, and explained why I left it anyway.
This probably explains why I have so many random trust exclusions, including by those who I have traded with and that have left trust feedback for me. It would also give credence to what TECSHARE was claiming was happening to him.....this actually may be something that should be further researched in regards to TECHSHARE.


This while continually asking me to leave you a trust rating and add you to my network while showering me with Merit at the time.
This sounds like both trust farming, trust list abuse, and merit abuse....by a merit source. It appears he has issued a negative rating against you in retaliation to your post, so perhaps we can add trust abuse to the list.  

You really are a slimy user and I honestly think you and Blazed were the main causes of the old DT's failure.  It is no surprise that you're still grasping for control and trying to bully people with the new system.  If DT is so important to you that you're willing to bully others and minimize their contributions for some misguided revenge scheme, have at it.  I won't fight you.  However, I won't pretend you are a white knight either when you act like a slimy wannabe bully.
I really don't understand why people take Vod seriously given his....condition. Even back in the day when theymos (in retrospect, it is likely this was actually BadBear) took seriously the integrity of DT, and the integrity of the ratings left by the DT network, Vod was often allowed to go unchecked in his egregious, erratic behavior.

Vod seems to have an obsession with the power associated with being on DT, similar to many others that are currently on DT today (which has made both the trust system and the forum as a whole very toxic). In 2015, BadBear threatened to exclude Vod from his trust list if Vod did not resolve the negative rating/issues he had with TECSHARE, which resulted in Vod quickly removing his negative rating to avoid being removed from DT (even though nothin had really changed) -- Vod would not have actually been removed from DT, he only did this because of his misunderstanding of how the system worked:

I plan to exclude you from my trust list due to your feedback on tecshare. I gave you the benefit of the doubt at first, but the way you keep antagonizing, provoking, and holding it over his head has made it pretty clear it was left out of spite.  If you don't want this, I would suggest you resolve your issues with him ASAP.

After thinking about it overnight, I took your "suggestion" to resolve my issues with Tecshare by removing my negative trust.  After all, I didn't want to be excluded from your trust list and have three years of trust wiped out!

You thought I left him negative trust out of spite.  That's your opinion and you could have left me negative trust over it, like every other decentralized member of this forum.  That would have been the appropriate thing to do in the open system you claim to have.  The fact that you planned to override the opinions of Tomatocage, dooglus, and every other person that may trust me in the future was an extreme overreaction. All the trust I earned over 3 years and one person can override it because of a perceived personality flaw?  It made me realize I have grossly overstayed my welcome here.  It also made me realize Tecshare was telling the truth about the trust system.  Sad  

Unlike Tecshare, I will not be hanging around to whine and complain about this override switch the Depth 1 people have on the "decentralized" trust system.  I have what I wanted and given what I wanted to Bitcoin, and I have not used this forum to make any money.  I still have a few outstanding deals to pay out some coin, so I will be taking care of that, and then I will post my nice goodbye message and be gone for good within the next day or so.

I still respect you Badbear, but I can't respect this centralized trust system that you guys pass off as decentralized.  Even though I did what you suggested, you may still exclude me out of "spite" for sending this PM.  It would be pretty hypocritical to do so (spite is spite), but hey, the "buck stops with you", so you can do whatever you want.   Undecided  It's no longer my concern.

I wish the overall bitcoin community the best of luck.  Take care.

you would still be in default trust if BadBear were to exclude you. I believe hostfast excluded you and TC and Dooglus has you on their list. You need to have more people exclude you then who have you on their trust list so BadBear plus one additional person would need to exclude you in order for you to be off default trust.

Good luck with your new ventures. You will be missed Smiley hopefully you will still occasionally stop by every now and then.

I thought Theymos said if 2 people exclude you then you are out of default trust?
That is true for most people as most people are only on one person's trust list. Since you are on two peoples trust list, you would need to be excluded from three people's trust lists.

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April 18, 2019, 06:13:49 PM
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cause I am calling you a liar.

Reminds me of when, years ago, I initially PMed you about including the moron Quickseller in your DT2 trust list.

You also claimed I had Quickseller in my DT2 trust list, which I don't believe is true.  You'd have to prove that I had him there for a length of time to address me thinking that you are the liar.

I've avoided you for years on this forum and only reached out to you to offer sponsorship of your BPIP website, up until you started cherrypicking data to give yourself an artificially inflated score (see a trend yet?).  Strangely, the merit stopped after that until I made a comment criticizing Lauda, who you have alluded to being a scammer but stated that you were unable to tag him without retaliation (has anyone awarded me merit more times than Vod, who thinks I'm a scammer?).  It was at that point I realized that you'll do whatever it takes to inflate your perceived self worth, and I only wish I had seen it and blocked you sooner as any interaction with you on this forum is certain to be a negative time waste.  


And since you didn't deny my accusation, I guess you are a hypocrite just like your moron Quickseller.

you literally pulled that out of your ass

How could I have been more clear?  Clearly there is a moron involved here, I'm just not sure you realize who.



Thanks for pulling this data.  I see you did give me a merit on that date you mention, how weird you mention that date.  It was on that day around a year ago you made the comment that I knew I would be in store for some drama.  All of this dates back to not some imaginary DT2 inclusion, but because I left a trust feedback for Quickseller for a smooth and successful several thousand dollar deal.  It was never a matter of if I would be able to avoid drama with you, it was only a matter of when you'd attack.  Judging from the trust feedback you left me, we now have our answer.  Wink

You trust Quickseller, but not me?


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Here's an example of the trust system's stupid shit.  Last of the V8s claims I scammed 2,100 BTC.  This is untrue, and yet some of the con-artists on DT have actually included this moron.  Using this guy's logic, every single company or organization that has ever offered ownership and hasn't yet returned 100% of the stock's price in the form of a dividend measured by a volatile currency is a scam (spoiler alert: this is every publicly traded company in the world).  They're literally making things up.  It's this sort of ignorance that's dangerous and those who include them in DT to further their agenda need to be pushed out of the DT system if we're to restore any sense of legitimacy to the trust network.



If you haven't added ~Last of the V8s to exclude this bottom feeder from your trust settings yet, you should.  Those who have included this user should also take a long look at what sort of ignorance they're enabling and hopefully at some point the community will hold them accountable as well.



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Here's another user, Hellot, who was trying to help scam me and is included into DT by other con-artists only because of their negative trust rating on my account.  In the last 3 1/2 years, this user has left 3 users trust ratings.  A negative rating to isoneguy who popped up and left a bunch of bogus negative ratings.   A negative rating to me for not letting myself be scammed and a positive rating for minerjones.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=351430

~Hellot should also be added to exclude him from the trust network and those including his ratings should be looked at.

Anyone else notice whenever I point out trust abuse, it seems to go ignored and I get attacked instead of my concern being responded to?  I wonder why that is?

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April 18, 2019, 06:47:54 PM
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up until you started cherrypicking data to give yourself an artificially inflated score (see a trend yet?).

What is this "cherrypicking data" you speak of?

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April 18, 2019, 07:00:25 PM
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Anyone else notice whenever I point out trust abuse, it seems to go ignored and I get attacked instead of my concern being responded to?  I wonder why that is?

Because you're a narcissistic prick who perceives anyone not worshiping you as "abuse"? Just a hunch. Might be some other reason.

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I've avoided you for years on this forum and only reached out to you to offer sponsorship of your BPIP website, up until you started cherrypicking data to give yourself an artificially inflated score (see a trend yet?).

I see a trend with lying, yes.  Sad  You did PM me about BPIP sponsorship, and after I put together a package you replied something like "derp derp most people take shares in nastymining".  That is when we stopped talking.  I'm not interested in your ponzi and BPIP shows all data.  Smiley

Judging from the trust feedback you left me, we now have our answer.  Wink

To be clear, I left you negative feedback based on these lies.  Had you provided proof I wrote those things to you, I would have removed my feedback.

- I asked you to leave me trust
- I asked you to add me to your trust network.
- I promised you I'd add you to my trust network if you removed profiles off yours.
- I showered you with merit to back up my requests.

You can't pass this off as trust abuse.  I have legitimate concerns with your honesty.

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April 18, 2019, 11:15:09 PM
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I see a trend with lying, yes.

Me too.  Let's take a look at who the liar is as it is crystal clear.



 Sad  You did PM me about BPIP sponsorship, and after I put together a package you replied something like "derp derp most people take shares in nastymining".

This is nothing more than a made up lie.  I contacted you asking how much it would cost ME to sponsor your site.  The PM is below.  You never put together any sort of package for me or mentioned an amount in spite of my pressing, that is another lie.  I also never offered you "shares in nastymining" as such a thing doesn't exist.

How much would it cost to sponsor the site for a month?  Just curious what I'd have to pay to get a NastyFans or NastyShop link/logo on there.




That is when we stopped talking.  

Let's take a look at when we stopped talking about the sponsorship. 

Ok.  What is your advertising budget per month?

We have no costs of any kind associated with NastyFans.  Everything is run off donations.  It is a true community organization.  That is why we cannot fail and only generate BTC for our members.

I have not forgotten about you.  I'm just very busy right now cleaning the site up for production use - I've have a few people approach me now for services.

Seems like you were concerned only with advertising budgets to see how much you could fleece NastyFans for, not understanding that I was trying to sponsor you personally out of my own pocket and NastyFans isn't something that has a monthly marketing budget.  I can see now I overestimated your reading comprehension skills.  In any event, no package ever materialized like you mentioned above and this clearly shows that I did not offer you "nastymining shares" which was your stated reason for why we stopped talking.



I'm not interested in your ponzi and BPIP shows all data.  Smiley

Really?  This is an odd quote for someone who was not interested...

We need to work out an arrangement.




To be clear, I left you negative feedback based on these lies.  Had you provided proof I wrote those things to you, I would have removed my feedback.

- I asked you to leave me trust
- I asked you to add me to your trust network.
- I promised you I'd add you to my trust network if you removed profiles off yours.
- I showered you with merit to back up my requests.

You can't pass this off as trust abuse.  I have legitimate concerns with your honesty.

You added me to your trusted network, contacted me to remove my ratings of Anduck & Quickseller or else you would distrust me.  You also stated you would distrust anyone else that has left positive feedback for either party.  You repeatedly made statements like the below, to the point where I had to explain to you ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS WHY I DIDN'T TRUST YOU.

You trust Quickseller, but not me?

I certainly felt showered by all your merit at the time.  Although I guess "showered" is up for interpretation. 



Because you're a narcissistic prick who perceives anyone not worshiping you as "abuse"? Just a hunch. Might be some other reason.

I don't expect anyone to worship me.  I'm just a guy who has dedicated nearly of decade of his life to helping Bitcoin.  I only take issue with people who attack provably honest community organizations with lies.  Look at Hhampuz who called me names and contacted me on a private channel just to insult me so he could get screenshots to post here on the forum, I didn't even leave him negative trust.  Even you suchmoon have made how many derogatory statements about me?  Still, where's the negative trust?  Seems maybe I'm not the one with razor thin skin using the trust network irrationally?  Vod is clearly an emotional wreck shooting off distrust to anyone who doesn't bow to his commands.  Maybe this is how you want this site's trust network to work.  It's not what I had in mind when I was trying to maintain it.

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I'm just a guy who has dedicated nearly of decade of his life to helping Bitcoin.  I only take issue with people who attack provably honest community organizations with lies.

I'm ALSO just a guy who has dedicated nearly of decade of his life to helping Bitcoin.  I only take issue with people who attack provably honest community members with lies.

Vod is clearly an emotional wreck shooting off distrust to anyone who doesn't bow to his commands. 

My command is don't post lies about me.   Smiley


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Look at Hhampuz who called me names and contacted me on a private channel just to insult me so he could get screenshots to post here on the forum, I didn't even leave him negative trust.

I agree, that's bizarre considering your neg trust for minifrij, owlcatz, eoakland, and other users for speaking out against you.

Even you suchmoon have made how many derogatory statements about me?  Still, where's the negative trust?

It's almost as if sometimes you're able to restrain yourself from abusing your DT position. Had you been able to do so consistently, maybe you wouldn't be here begging for others to exclude people who neg-rated you.

Seems maybe I'm not the one with razor thin skin using the trust network irrationally?

Nope, you're still one of those.

Vod is clearly an emotional wreck shooting off distrust to anyone who doesn't bow to his commands.  Maybe this is how you want this site's trust network to work.  It's not what I had in mind when I was trying to maintain it.

Your sent feedback tells a different story. Back then you probably didn't think you'd be held accountable. Now you need to keep reminding everyone how trustworthy you're supposed to be. That's not how trust works.

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I'm just a guy who has dedicated nearly of decade of his life to helping Bitcoin.  I only take issue with people who attack provably honest community organizations with lies.

I'm ALSO just a guy who has dedicated nearly of decade of his life to helping Bitcoin.  I only take issue with people who attack provably honest community members with lies.

Well, I just proved you are the liar attacking a honest community member with lies.  Take your emotional issues up with yourself and leave me out of it.



I agree, that's bizarre considering your neg trust for minifrij, owlcatz, eoakland, and other users for speaking out against you.

The abuse I received from those members I felt bordered on criminal, along with TMAN, so I feel very justified in my ratings.  I don't share all the threatening PMs and emails I get, as I don't want to encourage the kind of stuff these people say to me, so I could see how someone would either make an incorrect judgement based on their own misconceptions and not having the full story, or flat out use my refusal to promote their abuse as a way to cast doubt on my intentions.  I'll hope in your case it's the former, but I have my doubts.

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Well, I just proved you are the liar  

Yes, and nutjobs like you prove the earth is flat every day.  Smiley

I feel very justified in my rating towards you.  You posted some lies about me, I asked you to produce the evidence.   You didn't.

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I agree, that's bizarre considering your neg trust for minifrij, owlcatz, eoakland, and other users for speaking out against you.

It is interesting that all of those people have participated in at least one extortion scam. 

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It is interesting that all of those people have participated in at least one extortion scam. 

It's also interesting that OgNasty's loyal defender participated in one or more self-escrow scams. Whataboutism is fun. Your turn.

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Well, I just proved you are the liar  

Yes, and nutjobs like you prove the earth is flat every day.  Smiley

I feel very justified in my rating towards you.  You posted some lies about me, I asked you to produce the evidence.   You didn't.

You posted lies about me and I've proven that.  I posted allegations about you that are very much supported by evidence, but you are irrationally emotional and unwilling to acknowledge the facts so you've now resulted to trolling me with ludicrous claims of flat-earthers?  WTF?  We're supposed to be representing the community that has set in motion the largest transfer of wealth in mankind's history.  Your immaturity is shockingly frustrating.

I'm sure someone out there downloaded the DT trust lists and can show when Vod added me as trusted to try and influence me, then flipped me to untrusted when I didn't do what he wanted.  Not that it matters, because lets face it, Vod isn't even disputing my claims and is just repeating lies while putting the onus on me to prove both sides.  Disappointing, but again, this is why I've tried to avoid this irrational emotional user for the better part of a decade.  Unfortunately I made the mistake of offering to sponsor his site, which is all it took to set me down a path of being labeled a scammer.  People probably wonder why I don't try to sponsor more projects around here or why the established users eventually get chased off...



I agree, that's bizarre considering your neg trust for minifrij, owlcatz, eoakland, and other users for speaking out against you.

It is interesting that all of those people have participated in at least one extortion scam. 

Not interesting at all for anyone who has been paying attention, except for why suchmoon keeps playing the loyal defender for these users' bad deeds.

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April 19, 2019, 01:02:38 AM
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Not interesting at all for anyone who has been paying attention, except for why suchmoon keeps playing the loyal defender for these users' bad deeds.

Which bad deeds are those? Misunderstanding your vague post? Criticizing an item you were selling? Questioning your frivolous neg-trust for merely posting in your thread? Those were the triggers for your thin-skinned retaliatory ratings on the three users that I mentioned.

Latching on to Quicksy's extortion accusations was very convenient for you. Would be almost believable if not for the fact that you neg-rated those users only after you got into personal spats with them. So much for paying attention.

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April 19, 2019, 02:40:33 AM
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Their behavior, from the public point of view, somewhat resembles a shakedown that would be seen from the public point of view. They might not have been as explicit as they were in trying to extort zeroaxl because it didn’t go very well.

Although zeroaxl was not flaunting his money around, it was no secret he had some coins. Similarly, it is well known that OgN is an early adopter of bitcoin, although I have no idea how many coins he has.

Most of the people involved are known to do whatever they want without consequences and to have no morals. It should be noted that there isn’t any reasonable basis for the smears these people were saying and there was no claim any of them had any nonpublic information

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Their behavior, from the public point of view, somewhat resembles a shakedown that would be seen from the public point of view. They might not have been as explicit as they were in trying to extort zeroaxl because it didn’t go very well.

Although zeroaxl was not flaunting his money around, it was no secret he had some coins. Similarly, it is well known that OgN is an early adopter of bitcoin, although I have no idea how many coins he has.

Most of the people involved are known to do whatever they want without consequences and to have no morals. It should be noted that there isn’t any reasonable basis for the smears these people were saying and there was no claim any of them had any nonpublic information

It's good to see that you don't even pretend to have any sort of consistency in how you evaluate OgNasty's actions vs actions of those whom you dislike. You're just rationalizing anything he does, no matter how petty it is. There was no "shakedown" in eoakland's case. User posts in OgNasty's thread (a favorable post BTW). OgNasty blows a fuse for some inexplicable reason and neg-trusts the user. User disputes the rating. After some back-and-forth and some fumbling trying to sign a message, the user finally disproves the original excuse for the neg trust (being a bought account). OgNasty finds a bunch of other reasons to be insulted and to keep the neg trust.

Perhaps there is some convoluted way to explain this one instance, but when that happens repeatedly - e.g. when minifrij misunderstood Og's post and instead of "no, that's not what I meant" he got neg trust - you gotta start recognizing the pattern. Well, not you, but anyone who doesn't have their head so far up Og's ass.

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Latching on to Quicksy's extortion accusations was very convenient for you. Would be almost believable if not for the fact that you neg-rated those users only after you got into personal spats with them. So much for paying attention.

I was in the slack group and in communication with all parties while the extortion attempt was occurring. You on the other hand blindly support the guilty parties. The extortion attempt only happened as a misguided attempt of Lauda’s to try and make it appear that I had sold a large amount of seats on a public auction that was purchased with ill-gotten money (proven not to be true).  I question your motives each time you try and push a false view of my efforts for this community, which is quite frequent. The extortion attempt on Zeroxal was 100% an attack on me because Lauda was jealous that I had raised the funds for NastyMining to install a solar array and I don’t know why you and others fail to grasp this simple fact.

I really don’t know why I feed the trolls at this point. It’s obvious the intent here is to bury Vod’s bad behavior so that he can get away with his lies and trust abuse while those who support his inclusion in DT can pretend they didn’t know what Vod was doing.

As for your other nonsense above, eoakland was sending me all sorts of threats, none of which he acted on, so he clearly isn’t a user of his word. It’s weird you think I should not distrust someone who does such things.

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Come on guys this fighting is just pointless, we get it QS and OG hate me, Lauda, suchmoon,VOD and many others. Why not try to resolve this by PM or just ignore each other? Public spats like this by such old members is counter productive to the forum.

Kiss and make up isn’t going to happen, but this childish back and forth on threads is almost as bad as cryptohunter and the incessant rambling

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