Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit

[Vod]

I really don’t know why I feed the trolls at this point. It’s obvious the intent here is to bury Vod’s bad behavior so that he can get away with his lies and trust abuse while those who support his inclusion in DT can pretend they didn’t know what Vod was doing.

Well, let's not let it get buried!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50652615#msg50652615

Since you posted that, I can no longer trust your opinion on anything, bozo.

[FFrankie]

I think you guys all need some killyou in your lifes, someone should add me back to the slack group

[suchmoon]

I question your motives each time you try and push a false view of my efforts for this community, which is quite frequent.

I question your motives for lying about my motives, because I have clearly stated on numerous occasions why I don't trust you and that has nothing to do with the extortion accusations. You're always trying to deflect to that, which sounds disingenuous because you didn't neg-trust those users at the time when you became aware of those actions that made you so alarmed many months later.

As for your other nonsense above, eoakland was sending me all sorts of threats, none of which he acted on, so he clearly isn’t a user of his word. It’s weird you think I should not distrust someone who does such things.

Considering that the whole debacle started due to your frivolous baseless neg trust - yes, I think you should have stepped back and removed the rating.

It’s obvious the intent here is to bury Vod’s bad behavior so that he can get away with his lies and trust abuse while those who support his inclusion in DT can pretend they didn’t know what Vod was doing.

Perhaps you should start a grievance thread about Vod. This one is generic enough for any "stupid shit" so I don't think you can steer it the way you want.

Come on guys this fighting is just pointless, we get it QS and OG hate me, Lauda, suchmoon,VOD and many others. Why not try to resolve this by PM or just ignore each other? Public spats like this by such old members is counter productive to the forum.

Kiss and make up isn’t going to happen, but this childish back and forth on threads is almost as bad as cryptohunter and the incessant rambling

Shut up princess, let me have my pillow fight. It's the first day in weeks that I have a few hours of free time... which reminds me, need to go finish something... crap. Laters.

[TMAN]

Shut up princess, let me have my pillow fight. It's the first day in weeks that I have a few hours of free time... which reminds me, need to go finish something... crap. Laters.

Brilliant... Just spilled coffee all over myself.. fucking love you.

[OgNasty]

Since you posted that, I can no longer trust your opinion on anything, bozo.

I never did trust you, but you obviously knew that or you wouldn't have questioned me about it so many times.  How many times have you switched back and forth from trusting to distrusting me now? 

Some of Vod's lies, more to come:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50665442#msg50665442

This spat is doing an excellent job of displaying "the Trust System's Stupid Shit" as is clear for everyone to see.  All in good fun, unless you're Vod or others who seem to be getting a little emotional and pulling out the kindergarten words.

suchmoon, I have no idea why you don't trust me.  I'm sure you probably have mentioned it on numerous occasions but you've also said so many things that aren't true about me, I'm not sure why you think I should concern myself.  Maybe if I talked with you a bit and got a chance to know what you do for Bitcoin outside of posting on this forum, I might have a better opinion of you as I currently have no idea.  Mostly I try to avoid you and only respond to your false allegations when I happen to see them, so I only know of you as a troll and that probably isn't fair to you.  Hugs!

[marcotheminer]

Come on guys this fighting is just pointless, we get it QS and OG hate me, Lauda, suchmoon,VOD and many others. Why not try to resolve this by PM or just ignore each other? Public spats like this by such old members is counter productive to the forum.

Kiss and make up isn’t going to happen, but this childish back and forth on threads is almost as bad as cryptohunter and the incessant rambling

Because you guys make up your mind and boom - it's set in concrete.

Anyway ... this is what happens when trust list powers grow too large and too quickly, we have members "verifying the honesty" of others. AKA policing everyone Things are out of control as they stand. All this bickering proves that.

Feel free to reply to this to get some signature payouts

[Vod]

I never did trust you

So you pretended to be my friend in PMs for years, so you could gather more info on me and beg for free ponzi advertising? 

Others should pay attention...

[Quickseller]

Their behavior, from the public point of view, somewhat resembles a shakedown that would be seen from the public point of view. They might not have been as explicit as they were in trying to extort zeroaxl because it didn’t go very well.

Although zeroaxl was not flaunting his money around, it was no secret he had some coins. Similarly, it is well known that OgN is an early adopter of bitcoin, although I have no idea how many coins he has.

Most of the people involved are known to do whatever they want without consequences and to have no morals. It should be noted that there isn’t any reasonable basis for the smears these people were saying and there was no claim any of them had any nonpublic information

It's good to see that you don't even pretend to have any sort of consistency in how you evaluate OgNasty's actions vs actions of those whom you dislike. You're just rationalizing anything he does, no matter how petty it is. There was no "shakedown" in eoakland's case. User posts in OgNasty's thread (a favorable post BTW). OgNasty blows a fuse for some inexplicable reason and neg-trusts the user. User disputes the rating. After some back-and-forth and some fumbling trying to sign a message, the user finally disproves the original excuse for the neg trust (being a bought account). OgNasty finds a bunch of other reasons to be insulted and to keep the neg trust.

Perhaps there is some convoluted way to explain this one instance, but when that happens repeatedly - e.g. when minifrij misunderstood Og's post and instead of "no, that's not what I meant" he got neg trust - you gotta start recognizing the pattern. Well, not you, but anyone who doesn't have their head so far up Og's ass.

I am saying all of the people in question are very deserving a negative ratings.

I would be surprised to see that it just so happens that a close nit group of people, all of which have a history of extortion just so happen to all have constant run-ins with OgN. With the exception of eoakland, the underlying root cause may very well be an extortion attempt, as according to OgN, their extortion attempt was related to harming his reputation. Even if this is not the case, they are all criminals, and others should be warned.

In regards to eoakland, I perhaps disagree with the stated reason for the rating, but it is perhaps possible, given his history of extortion, after his initial run-in with OgN, one/more member(s) of the group of extortionists approached eoakland to help with their apparent shakedown. Regardless if that actually happened, he did try to extort Johny1976 in 2015, according to Johny, which looking at the evidence looks to be true.

It is pointless to dispute the "reason" for a rating when the underlying negative rating is appropriate. It is ridiculous to give the OP a negative rating for repaying a loan late when it is repaid, with penalty interest -- the negative ratings he received for this was really little more than a bunch of people wanting to show him who is the "boss". However his patterns of taking out loans of increasing sizes, with an attempt to take out of $10k (EUR) loan is consistent with an attempt to pull an exit scam, although perhaps this may be re-evaluated in the future.

Another good example of ridiculousness of those in charge of the trust system is this guy, who posted about a giveaway being done by a company he likely doesn't have any affiliation with. Many people piled on with negative ratings after he was unable to produce proof of funds, and he was laughed at when he tried defending himself. It took me not more than 15 minutes of research to determine that the company hosting the giveaway reasonably does have the money to payout the giveaway, research that no one giving the rating even bothered attempting. He locked his thread disputing his rating, but I am going to guess he has abandoned his account and probably the forum, really for no reason, or at least no legitimate reason.

suchmoon, [...] Maybe if I talked with you a bit and got a chance to know what you do for Bitcoin outside of posting on this forum,

I am fairly confident she does not do anything for bitcoin off the forum....or on the forum for that matter.

This is also true for Vod, all he does is troll transparently obvious scammers who frankly don't have any real chance of stealing anyone's money. I somewhat suspect some people create newbie accounts to "attempt" obvious scams they know vod will see - and troll - just for the lulz. I suspect the number of people he has actually helped is fairly small.

[hacker1001101001]

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Vod, can you please sort this out with OgNasty. I hate to see a forum donator and a forum treasurer to have that type of trust score.

Hampering others repo does not seem right to me from your part, he is basically a trusted member and also trusted by the forum to hold large amount of funds and it should reflect in his trust socre for default trust list users atleast.

Peace !

[Quickseller]

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Vod, can you please sort this out with OgNasty. I hate to see a forum donator and a forum treasurer to have that type of trust score.

Hampering others repo does not seem right to me from your part, he is basically a trusted member and also trusted by the forum to hold large amount of funds and it should reflect in his trust socre for default trust list users atleast.

Peace !

Vod is trying to stoke his own ego, and is upset that OgN refused to do the same.

[Vod]

he is basically a trusted member and also trusted by the forum to hold large amount of funds

He is not a trusted member to me.  For whatever reason, he woke up in a bad mood and decided to claim I trade trust.  When asked for PM evidence, he ignored me.  Then to bury my accusation he called me a liar.  :/

You can hold money for other people and still be a liar.  

[minifrij]

I am saying all of the people in question are very deserving a negative ratings

all of which have a history of extortion just so happen to all have constant run-ins with OgN

I really wish you would stop telling lies about me, the same goes to OgNasty.

I've never extorted anyone, and I think you have to be quite literally mentally challenged to believe so. Thank fucking god that the rest of the forum has finally started to realize what insufferable parasites you both are.

[suchmoon]

suchmoon, [...] Maybe if I talked with you a bit and got a chance to know what you do for Bitcoin outside of posting on this forum,

I am fairly confident she does not do anything for bitcoin off the forum....or on the forum for that matter.

Awesome. You two finally found something to make you feel better while brushing off my criticism. What I weirdly specific criteria, to do something for Bitcoin off the forum... like taking bitcoins from known scammers to sue other forum members, or running ponzi schemes, that kind of thing?

[marcotheminer]

suchmoon, [...] Maybe if I talked with you a bit and got a chance to know what you do for Bitcoin outside of posting on this forum,

I am fairly confident she does not do anything for bitcoin off the forum....or on the forum for that matter.

Awesome. You two finally found something to make you feel better while brushing off my criticism. What I weirdly specific criteria, to do something for Bitcoin off the forum... like taking bitcoins from known scammers to sue other forum members, or running ponzi schemes, that kind of thing?

Does every single one of your replies need to be snarky or with an included jab? It makes you look dumb.

[suchmoon]

Does every single one of your replies need to be snarky or with an included jab? It makes you look dumb.

I am dumb. Joke's on you.

[OgNasty]

I never did trust you

So you pretended to be my friend in PMs for years, so you could gather more info on me and beg for free ponzi advertising?  

Others should pay attention...

Damn, everything you say is a lie.  I didn't respect you before, but now I see you are no better than the pigs you lie with.  I contacted you asking how much it would cost and never asked for anything free from you.  I even proved that already with quotes.  You never gave me an amount and then claim I was begging for free advertising?  It's like you're repeating one outrageous lie after another, hoping that I'll stoop to your level and justify your ridiculously juvenile usage of the trust system.  Unfortunately, you're digging your own hole with this one buddy.  Keep digging though, I like it.  These types of ponzi quotes aren't going to age well, but like I said in my message to you, I'm glad you've finally shown me your true colors.  Funny to know apparently there is a price you'd be willing to accept to advertise an organization you believed to be a Ponzi...  Trust abuse like this will need to continue happening for DT to get fixed to being a legitimate system, and I'm thankful for those who work tirelessly make this crystal clear.  Thanks guys!

I never pretended to be your friend.  You reached out to me repeatedly trying to get on my trust network and I told you no, over and over again while explaining why I don't trust you.  If that's what you consider a friend, I truly feel sorry for you Vod.  

Maybe people should take it easy on Vod for a while.  Seems like he's had a rough couple of months trying to damage the reputation of longtime established members in the Bitcoin community.  It's clearly taking it's toll on him mentally and emotionally.  Even his own recognition rating system has me rated higher than him, which has to hurt his ego.  Last time that happened he changed the algorithm of his site to give him a higher ranking, I'm sure he's probably working on a new algorithm as we speak.    

I've never extorted anyone, and I think you have to be quite literally mentally challenged to believe so.

Surely wasn't the type of talking you were doing in Slack the night of the extortion.  Almost comical how much your tune has changed.  You owe me & Zeroxal an apology for your role in supporting the failed extortion attempt as well as the lies you've repeated about me since and denials only show that you think your behavior is acceptable, which it isn't.  

[minifrij]

Surely wasn't the type of talking you were doing in Slack the night of the extortion.  Almost comical how much your tune has changed.

Go on then laughing boy, what was the type of talking I was doing? Can you provide some examples? Or should people just believe you because you are the big great OgNasty, that no mere mortal should ever dare question?

You owe me & Zeroxal an apology for your role in supporting the failed extortion attempt as well as the lies you've repeated about me since and denials only show that you think your behavior is acceptable, which it isn't.  

I've never even had anything like extortion suggested with you, so not sure which crevice you're pulling that chestnut from.

I've given you an apology in the past, regarding the way I would personally insult you, which I stood by until you continuously tried to pin me as some sort of criminal or scammer - neither of which I am. Considering that you keep trying to personally disrespect me by spreading lies about me, I'm by no means going to give you any respect. That will be the last, and only apology you get from me.

To Zeroxal: I'm sorry. I'm sorry that the whole thing happened to you, and I'm sorry that you had to go through what you did. And I'm sorry for if I had any part of it. While I know you will never read this, but I hope that you accept my apology and we can put this whole thing (that you seem to have already moved on from, two years ago) behind us.

[OgNasty]

I've given you an apology in the past, regarding the way I would personally insult you, which I stood by until you continuously tried to pin me as some sort of criminal or scammer - neither of which I am. Considering that you keep trying to personally disrespect me by spreading lies about me, I'm by no means going to give you any respect. That will be the last, and only apology you get from me.

Yet you continue to insult me and spread lies just like your buddy suchmoon.  What good is an apology if you keep doing the same bad behavior?  It just shows that you recognize what you're doing is wrong, but you continue anyway.  That's not really honest behavior now is it?  

To Zeroxal: I'm sorry. I'm sorry that the whole thing happened to you, and I'm sorry that you had to go through what you did. And I'm sorry for if I had any part of it. While I know you will never read this, and by writing this I'm making Og's e-peen inflate to dangerous levels, I hope that you accept my apology and we can put this whole thing (that you seem to have already moved on from, two years ago) behind us.

Progress friend.  You were 1/2 way there to admitting your mistake and asking forgiveness from those who you wronged.  Maybe with some more time you'll get there.  Why do you think Zeroxal will never read this?  Do you know something I don't?  


EDIT: Apologizes and then asks for more evidence of the beaten horse?  LOL.  Clearly not enough time has passed yet.

I am very much curious by the "While I know you will never read this" line.  Please expand on what you meant by that.  It is extremely relevant to this discussion.

[minifrij]

...

*Ignores the part of my message where I ask him for proof of his claims*
Now that's a man with integrity.

The rest is meaningless belittlement, so not worth my time to respond to.

[Vod]

*Ignores the part of my message where I ask him for proof of his claims*
Now that's a man with integrity.

It's OK for him to believe I cherry pick my data, but not OK for me to believe he begs for free advertising for his ponzi?   What an ego...

What is not OK is saying I try to trade trust.  Lying is the reason his trust score keeps dropping.