Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists" Should we say that?

[TECSHARE]

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This brain disease (aka religion) affects us all, poor, rich, smart or dumb.  The only solution is a complete eradication, to the last scripture and last preacher.  Each affected person is a victim in a way.

The only difference between now and back then is that back then, 100% believed in this shit/superstition/witchcraft, etc, today about 80-85% of people still cling on to such irrational beliefs.  

Obviously, we have a long way to go to eradicate this plague.

I don't agree with this but am very familiar with the arguments, being pretty much an atheist. The details don't fit in this thread.

But let me just say that if you did "eradicate this plague," then you have to face what comes next. And as that is the uncontrollable product of a type of revolution, it's likely it would be worse. There are many historical examples of this.

Exactly, that is my number #1 criticism of atheism. Without the concept of God, however you perceive it, the state becomes the defacto God as the highest authority on Earth, accountable to no one. This is why in the USA all of our constitutional rights are "God given" rights, or inalienable if you prefer, as the state can neither grant them nor take them away. Coincidentally this is one reason why I find Communism so abhorrent because its goal is to become the secular God, and as you said history shows how that turns out...

[af_newbie]

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This brain disease (aka religion) affects us all, poor, rich, smart or dumb.  The only solution is a complete eradication, to the last scripture and last preacher.  Each affected person is a victim in a way.

The only difference between now and back then is that back then, 100% believed in this shit/superstition/witchcraft, etc, today about 80-85% of people still cling on to such irrational beliefs.  

Obviously, we have a long way to go to eradicate this plague.

I don't agree with this but am very familiar with the arguments, being pretty much an atheist. The details don't fit in this thread.

But let me just say that if you did "eradicate this plague," then you have to face what comes next. And as that is the uncontrollable product of a type of revolution, it's likely it would be worse. There are many historical examples of this.

Why anything has to come next?  What are you talking about?  Why does it have to be a "revolution"?

Keep the social structures, economic systems intact.  Science and technology is the only way forward.

Religions will not help us land on Mars, develop new cures or ways to survive on this increasingly polluted rock.

When we cured polio, there was no revolution required.  Same thing here.  You help people who need help with this mental disorder.

[af_newbie]

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This brain disease (aka religion) affects us all, poor, rich, smart or dumb.  The only solution is a complete eradication, to the last scripture and last preacher.  Each affected person is a victim in a way.

The only difference between now and back then is that back then, 100% believed in this shit/superstition/witchcraft, etc, today about 80-85% of people still cling on to such irrational beliefs.  

Obviously, we have a long way to go to eradicate this plague.

I don't agree with this but am very familiar with the arguments, being pretty much an atheist. The details don't fit in this thread.

But let me just say that if you did "eradicate this plague," then you have to face what comes next. And as that is the uncontrollable product of a type of revolution, it's likely it would be worse. There are many historical examples of this.

Exactly, that is my number #1 criticism of atheism. Without the concept of God, however you perceive it, the state becomes the defacto God as the highest authority on Earth, accountable to no one. This is why in the USA all of our constitutional rights are "God given" rights, or inalienable if you prefer, as the state can neither grant them nor take them away. Coincidentally this is one reason why I find Communism so abhorrent because its goal is to become the secular God, and as you said history shows how that turns out...

Governments in most western countries already have authority over "God's laws".  Nobody in the US is killing gays for being gay or children who disobey their parents as your Christian God commanded.

What are you suggesting?  Sharia Law?  Make up your mind.

You can have secular laws (you know the ones that we developed despite the objections from the religious freaks) and no God in public or private life.

You Christians somehow connect atheism with communism.  I don't get it.  Apples and oranges.

[TECSHARE]

Governments in most western countries already have authority over "God's laws".  Nobody in the US is killing gays for being gay or children who disobey their parents as your Christian God commanded.

What are you suggesting?  Sharia Law?  Make up your mind.

You can have secular laws (you know the ones that we developed despite the objections from the religious freaks) and no God in public or private life.

You Christians somehow connect atheism with communism.  I don't get it.  Apples and oranges.

Sorry but you don't have any fucking idea what you are talking about in the slightest. Again, as I said before, you are simply another form of religious zealot completely convinced of the correctitude of your belief system, and I find debating the validity of peoples beliefs to be an asinine task even if you were capable of an intellectually honest debate on this topic. Take it to the atheism thread, no one is interested in watching you jerk yourself off here and it is off topic.

[af_newbie]

Governments in most western countries already have authority over "God's laws".  Nobody in the US is killing gays for being gay or children who disobey their parents as your Christian God commanded.

What are you suggesting?  Sharia Law?  Make up your mind.

You can have secular laws (you know the ones that we developed despite the objections from the religious freaks) and no God in public or private life.

You Christians somehow connect atheism with communism.  I don't get it.  Apples and oranges.

Sorry but you don't have any fucking idea what you are talking about in the slightest. Again, as I said before, you are simply another form of religious zealot completely convinced of the correctitude of your belief system, and I find debating the validity of peoples beliefs to be an asinine task even if you were capable of an intellectually honest debate on this topic. Take it to the atheism thread, no one is interested in watching you jerk yourself off here and it is off topic.

Looks like you have no idea how to respond.  Take your Christian, Bronze Age values to a Christian thread.

You are the one who is mentally masturbating with your Bronze Age moral code vs Sharia Law.
"Ban or reform the Sharia Law, no wait, follow the Bible moral code, no wait, I don't know what I am saying"  that is the thought train wreck that is running through your head.

They are both the same.  Sharia Law was based on the fucking Bible.  Get it?  Buy a clue.

We are done here.

[TECSHARE]

Looks like you have no idea how to respond.  Take your Christian, Bronze Age values to a Christian thread.

You are the one who is mentally masturbating with your Bronze Age moral code vs Sharia Law.
"Ban or reform the Sharia Law, no wait, follow the Bible moral code, no wait, I don't know what I am saying"  that is the thought train wreck that is running through your head.

They are both the same.  Sharia Law was based on the fucking Bible.  Get it?  Buy a clue.

We are done here.

Yes, we are done here, because I already told you to fuck off to your atheism thread.

[bhabygrim]

We shouldn't judge a person just because of their religion.
Sure there are some Muslim that are terrorist but that doesn't mean that all of them are,
Everyone could be a terrorist not just the Muslims .
So don't say that Muslims are terrorist because you are reffering to all of the muslims.

[Spendulus]

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This brain disease (aka religion) affects us all, poor, rich, smart or dumb.  The only solution is a complete eradication, to the last scripture and last preacher.  Each affected person is a victim in a way.

The only difference between now and back then is that back then, 100% believed in this shit/superstition/witchcraft, etc, today about 80-85% of people still cling on to such irrational beliefs.  

Obviously, we have a long way to go to eradicate this plague.

I don't agree with this but am very familiar with the arguments, being pretty much an atheist. The details don't fit in this thread.

But let me just say that if you did "eradicate this plague," then you have to face what comes next. And as that is the uncontrollable product of a type of revolution, it's likely it would be worse. There are many historical examples of this.

Why anything has to come next?  What are you talking about?  Why does it have to be a "revolution"?

Keep the social structures, economic systems intact.  Science and technology is the only way forward.

Religions will not help us land on Mars, develop new cures or ways to survive on this increasingly polluted rock.

When we cured polio, there was no revolution required.  Same thing here.  You help people who need help with this mental disorder.

Because stamping out religion 100% has been tried numerous times, and forcing adherence to a state religion has been tried numerous times. History is your friend.

[Chikitita2004]

While your opinion is true that just because other Muslims are terrorists doesn't make all Muslims to be terrorists but we can't blame people from the trauma they're experiencing because of what other Muslims are doing. It is like putting one spoiled tomato in a a basket full of good tomatoes spoil them all. It is their Muslim brothers that are destroying the reputations of Muslims in general and causing hatred to the people.

[cestmoi]

In my country (New Zealand), the only terrorist attack we ever had was perpetrated by a white christian against the Muslim population.
This is the only terrorist act ever recorded  in NZ.
The terrorist killed 50 people this represent 0.1% of the whole Muslim population of the country.  Or 0.001% of the country's population.
It is estimated that 600 personnes have been affected by this attack (50 dead - 50 wounded and 500 family members of those 100 persons)

So if you like stats :
In New Zealand, 100% of the terrorists attacks have been committed by Christians
That Christian terrorist killed 50/ 5 000 000 of the country population = 0.001%


If you scale it to the USA :
It is the same as a potential attack against Christians killing 240 000 Christians (0.1% of the 240 million Christians in US)
Or a terrorist attack killing 3270 Americans (regardless of the religion), wounding the same amount   and affecting 39 000 persons (family members)


Oh by the way, the terrorist was greeted by his first victim with "Peace upon you brother" just seconds before being killed.

So who do you call terrorist ?

[TECSHARE]

In my country (New Zealand), the only terrorist attack we ever had was perpetrated by a white christian against the Muslim population.
This is the only terrorist act ever recorded  in NZ.
The terrorist killed 50 people this represent 0.1% of the whole Muslim population of the country.  Or 0.001% of the country's population.
It is estimated that 600 personnes have been affected by this attack (50 dead - 50 wounded and 500 family members of those 100 persons)

So if you like stats :
In New Zealand, 100% of the terrorists attacks have been committed by Christians
That Christian terrorist killed 50/ 5 000 000 of the country population = 0.001%


If you scale it to the USA :
It is the same as a potential attack against Christians killing 240 000 Christians (0.1% of the 240 million Christians in US)
Or a terrorist attack killing 3270 Americans (regardless of the religion), wounding the same amount   and affecting 39 000 persons (family members)


Oh by the way, the terrorist was greeted by his first victim with "Peace upon you brother" just seconds before being killed.

So who do you call terrorist ?

He was not a Christian, that is absolute horse shit. He didn't even identify as one. He didn't identify as being on the right either. Too bad you live in a totalitarian nation which prevents you from looking for yourself, and instead you are forced to swallow whatever turds they choose to force feed you. Also your little scaling game is beyond retarded, by that same logic we could declare Muslims responsible for BILLIONS of deaths. Your shitty movie script version where the victim said "peace be upon you brother" never fucking happened. You know how I know this? I don't live in a totalitarian nation, and we have freedom of speech, which means I am free to actually see what happened unedited with my own eyes.

[cestmoi]

In my country (New Zealand), the only terrorist attack we ever had was perpetrated by a white christian against the Muslim population.
This is the only terrorist act ever recorded  in NZ.
The terrorist killed 50 people this represent 0.1% of the whole Muslim population of the country.  Or 0.001% of the country's population.
It is estimated that 600 personnes have been affected by this attack (50 dead - 50 wounded and 500 family members of those 100 persons)

So if you like stats :
In New Zealand, 100% of the terrorists attacks have been committed by Christians
That Christian terrorist killed 50/ 5 000 000 of the country population = 0.001%


If you scale it to the USA :
It is the same as a potential attack against Christians killing 240 000 Christians (0.1% of the 240 million Christians in US)
Or a terrorist attack killing 3270 Americans (regardless of the religion), wounding the same amount   and affecting 39 000 persons (family members)


Oh by the way, the terrorist was greeted by his first victim with "Peace upon you brother" just seconds before being killed.

So who do you call terrorist ?

He was not a Christian, that is absolute horse shit. He didn't even identify as one. He didn't identify as being on the right either. Too bad you live in a totalitarian nation which prevents you from looking for yourself, and instead you are forced to swallow whatever turds they choose to force feed you. Also your little scaling game is beyond retarded, by that same logic we could declare Muslims responsible for BILLIONS of deaths. Your shitty movie script version where the victim said "peace be upon you brother" never fucking happened. You know how I know this? I don't live in a totalitarian nation, and we have freedom of speech, which means I am free to actually see what happened unedited with my own eyes.

Hey Mister "I know everything",
Did you see the video ? (I did, not even 2h after the incident and before all editing).
Haven't you heard the Salam greeting the doorman said the the attacker ?

Not on the right ?
Have you not looked on the internet ?
This week it was proven that the attacker sent money to "generation identité" not once but twice, this is a neo-nazy Austrian association. He sent money to the French  and Austrian counterpart.
And not small amounts. Everything is in the media (all kind of media). Strange no for someone not on the far right ?

I concede that the scaling is not the best to compare Muslim and Christians.
Anyway a terrorist attack killing 50 in a country with 5 millions people is far more a tragedy than in a larger country (for this specific country).
Human life have the same value everywhere in the world, but country population isn't the same.
If you want to compare apple with apple, a scaling has to be made.

If you scale with  car accidents.
NZ : 377 road death in 2018 -> terrorist attack (50 killed) represent 13% of road deaths.
USA : 37 000 deaths in 2016 -> scaling would mean 4800 terrorist casualties

I read his manifesto within hours of the attack (before any editing), he is a white supremacist and even though he doesn't identify himself as a christian, he is one. Period.

Are you butt-hurt because you are white and for once the terrorist is white ?
Then, take a breath, do some yoga and stop calling everyone of color a terrorist

[TECSHARE]

Hey Mister "I know everything",
Did you see the video ? (I did, not even 2h after the incident and before all editing).
Haven't you heard the Salam greeting the doorman said the the attacker ?

Not on the right ?
Have you not looked on the internet ?
This week it was proven that the attacker sent money to "generation identité" not once but twice, this is a neo-nazy Austrian association. He sent money to the French  and Austrian counterpart.
And not small amounts. Everything is in the media (all kind of media). Strange no for someone not on the far right ?

I concede that the scaling is not the best to compare Muslim and Christians.
Anyway a terrorist attack killing 50 in a country with 5 millions people is far more a tragedy than in a larger country (for this specific country).
Human life have the same value everywhere in the world, but country population isn't the same.
If you want to compare apple with apple, a scaling has to be made.

If you scale with  car accidents.
NZ : 377 road death in 2018 -> terrorist attack (50 killed) represent 13% of road deaths.
USA : 37 000 deaths in 2016 -> scaling would mean 4800 terrorist casualties

I read his manifesto within hours of the attack (before any editing), he is a white supremacist and even though he doesn't identify himself as a christian, he is one. Period.

Are you butt-hurt because you are white and for once the terrorist is white ?
Then, take a breath, do some yoga and stop calling everyone of color a terrorist

I watched the video, yes, and I even double checked before posting just to make sure. The men in the doorway were not even facing him when they were talking to EACH OTHER. His manifesto also explicitly says he hopes consertvatism is dead and that he doesn't really identify with the right or the left. He also called himself an "eco-fascist" and said he most identifies with the government of China.

Proclaiming he is on the right is just a convenient slander to drive political motives of your choice and has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. By your own logic I could say he is on the left because he identifies with Communist China, but I know that this is just as dumb as placing him as identifying with the right, because he EXPLICITLY SAID he does not identify as either right or left in his manifesto. You are just cherry picking the parts that serve your own bias.

Additionally your assertion that he is a Christian is 1000% pulled directly from your ass. I haven't made a single comment about the race of anyone here in this thread, so you can shove your accusations of racism right back up your ass from where you pulled it. Islam is not a race it is a religion and a political system.

[af_newbie]

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I read his manifesto within hours of the attack (before any editing), he is a white supremacist and even though he doesn't identify himself as a christian, he is one. Period.

Are you butt-hurt because you are white and for once the terrorist is white ?
Then, take a breath, do some yoga and stop calling everyone of color a terrorist

He might have been Christian.  We are all born into one religion or other.  It does not mean we all stay religious when we grow up.

But that is not who he "was" or why he did what he did. He was anti-Marxist, anti-capitalist, anti-globalist and eco-fascist.  He thought non-whites were responsible for climate change because of the high birth rates, he had a point there, BTW.  The root cause of climate change and global pollution is rapid population growth.  He was a white nationalist.

The difference between this guy and Muslim terrorists is that Muslims do it in the name of their religion with a clear objective of establishing a global Islamic Caliphate as Allah commands them.

This guy clearly had different motives: "protection of white race, European culture" etc, not to just kill non-Christians in the name of Jesus.

It was all about race, not religion.

[Spendulus]

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It was all about race, not religion.

Derail. And intentional.

Nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

[TECSHARE]

He might have been Christian.

He might be a Buddhist bisexual philatelist circus clown too, that doesn't mean there is any evidence he is one though.

[okala]

Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that?

I think there is always a scapegoat in the community.

Who is the most violent perpetrator of the massacre? Who?

I Think "" Hitler "!!! He persecuted 6 million Jews. With that we blame the Christians for that ?, Hitler, He's Christian ,so because he persecutes the Jews, it does not mean all Christians are like that.

Then , How about Muslims? are they all terrorists? Are there organizations that want to create a " Muslims Phobia" ?
It is inappropriate for us fellow humans to hate and kill each other.

what do you think?  

Islam is a supremacist ideology.

Some Muslims read too much into it and do hate non-Muslims.  Others are good people who do not hate anyone DESPITE their religion.

Some Muslims become Islamists, then Jihadists, and eventually terrorists.

There is a wide spectrum of wackos in Islam, just like in any other supremacist ideology.

Very correct I always view any Muslim that is too religious with a suspect eye because that can lead them to extremist which will result into violent attack on non Muslim's. Muslim have been given that terrorism image base on the large statistics of many of the attacks being carried out by Muslims extremists.

[coins4commies]

FYI tecshare calls anything he thinks is bad "communism" and you should read his posts with his definition in mind. genocide=communism transgender=communism climate change=communism atheism=communism etc etc

While your opinion is true that just because other Muslims are terrorists doesn't make all Muslims to be terrorists but we can't blame people from the trauma they're experiencing because of what other Muslims are doing. It is like putting one spoiled tomato in a a basket full of good tomatoes spoil them all. It is their Muslim brothers that are destroying the reputations of Muslims in general and causing hatred to the people.

This is absolutely a bigoted double standard.  You are allowing a few muslims to destroy the reputation of islam but have not let the christian terrorists destroy the reputation of christianity.  

In my country, the USA, most terrorists are Christian yet people fear muslims because they are "foreign" and they don't get fair representation in the media.  Our media only shows news stories from muslim countries when they are related to war or terror.   Our TV shows and movies mostly cast muslims into terror-related roles.  This has had a dehumanizing affect on muslims. TV will never tell the truth.

I recommend you travel to some muslim countries and you will actually find them to be much more friendly and hospitable than western countries.  Travel to Iran, Pakistan, and Indonesia.  These are among the largest muslim countries in the world and the friendliest, most hospitable counties I have ever been but mentioning them strikes fear into the heart of most Americans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWeWxl7ruGE

[BADecker]

FYI tecshare calls anything he thinks is bad "communism" and you should read his posts with his definition in mind. genocide=communism transgender=communism climate change=communism atheism=communism etc etc

While your opinion is true that just because other Muslims are terrorists doesn't make all Muslims to be terrorists but we can't blame people from the trauma they're experiencing because of what other Muslims are doing. It is like putting one spoiled tomato in a a basket full of good tomatoes spoil them all. It is their Muslim brothers that are destroying the reputations of Muslims in general and causing hatred to the people.

This is absolutely a bigoted double standard.  You are allowing a few muslims to destroy the reputation of islam but have not let the christian terrorists destroy the reputation of christianity.  

In my country, the USA, most terrorists are Christian yet people fear muslims because they are "foreign" and they don't get fair representation in the media.  Our media only shows news stories from muslim countries when they are related to war or terror.   Our TV shows and movies mostly cast muslims into terror-related roles.  This has had a dehumanizing affect on muslims. TV will never tell the truth.

I recommend you travel to some muslim countries and you will actually find them to be much more friendly and hospitable than western countries.  Travel to Iran, Pakistan, and Indonesia.  These are among the largest muslim countries in the world and the friendliest, most hospitable counties I have ever been but mentioning them strikes fear into the heart of most Americans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWeWxl7ruGE

Since Muslim countries are so much more friendly, let's let them conquer off all the other countries by their violence, so that we can all be friendly, right?

The only way we get Muslim countries at all is, Muslims threaten other people to convert or face cruelties and death. People might convert to Islam sincerely, sometimes, without being threatened into it. But the only ways that Muslim countries come about, is by threat of violence against non-Muslim people.


We have peace and prosperity in Western Europe and the USA. Muslims like it. So they come to Western Europe and the USA for peace and prosperity. Then they turn the peaceful countries into violent countries. It's happening throughout Western Europe, and the only reason why it's not happening in the USA is the oceans. Not a lot of Muslims have crossed the oceans to the USA with their oh-so-peaceful violence, yet.

[af_newbie]

FYI tecshare calls anything he thinks is bad "communism" and you should read his posts with his definition in mind. genocide=communism transgender=communism climate change=communism atheism=communism etc etc

While your opinion is true that just because other Muslims are terrorists doesn't make all Muslims to be terrorists but we can't blame people from the trauma they're experiencing because of what other Muslims are doing. It is like putting one spoiled tomato in a a basket full of good tomatoes spoil them all. It is their Muslim brothers that are destroying the reputations of Muslims in general and causing hatred to the people.

This is absolutely a bigoted double standard.  You are allowing a few muslims to destroy the reputation of islam but have not let the christian terrorists destroy the reputation of christianity.  

In my country, the USA, most terrorists are Christian yet people fear muslims because they are "foreign" and they don't get fair representation in the media.  Our media only shows news stories from muslim countries when they are related to war or terror.   Our TV shows and movies mostly cast muslims into terror-related roles.  This has had a dehumanizing affect on muslims. TV will never tell the truth.

I recommend you travel to some muslim countries and you will actually find them to be much more friendly and hospitable than western countries.  Travel to Iran, Pakistan, and Indonesia.  These are among the largest muslim countries in the world and the friendliest, most hospitable counties I have ever been but mentioning them strikes fear into the heart of most Americans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWeWxl7ruGE

Yet, he fails to see socialist and communist ideas in Christianity.  The way I see it, Jesus character was the first socialist.

It is funny to see him draw is half-ass conclusions. He thinks disbelief in the supernatural is somehow related to the economic system,
and if you are on the left of the political spectrum, you are mentally ill.

The guy is a twit.  Don't take him too seriously.