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March 29, 2019, 11:43:50 PM
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So, my wish/idea is basicaly being able to see and explain why that person has been merited most specificaly.

Edit: Pehaps being able to merit an user directly instead of his posts?.

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March 29, 2019, 11:50:21 PM
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I think there is enough drama already. But feel free to PM the person and explain why you sent them merits.

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March 29, 2019, 11:51:12 PM
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You mean you would like to leave a comment when you drop someone some merit? Might be a neat idea for those inclined to so so

If you want it so people justify why they merit someone, I don't see it's value. Other than completely obvious merit abuse on a decent scale it isn't moderated. I also don't see the majority of people bothering to leave merit feedback.

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March 30, 2019, 12:01:58 AM
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So in addition to reading a whole bunch of posts, looking for some posts to give a merit or two, the OP wants us to write a justification as well? Like the trust comments?



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March 30, 2019, 12:04:47 AM
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I think there is enough drama already. But feel free to PM the person and explain why you sent them merits.
I mean the merit system is so one doesn't use the trust system to "merit" post reliability, perhaps you not meriting the quality of the post just what it speaks, or perhaps a clarification would be made since you meriting someone for something they do not that specifical post.
These are cases that I feel needed by own forum use.

You mean you would like to leave a comment when you drop someone some merit? Might be a neat idea for those inclined to so so

If you want it so people justify why they merit someone, I don't see it's value. Other than completely obvious merit abuse on a decent scale it isn't moderated. I also don't see the majority of people bothering to leave merit feedback.

The first line you said, as comment and clarification.
I'm pretty happy, I were really worried about the way trust sys used to work back in the day.

I don't always bother but I like to do so when proper.

So in addition to reading a whole bunch of posts, looking for some posts to give a merit or two, the OP wants us to write a justification as well? Like the trust comments?




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March 30, 2019, 12:06:32 AM
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So in addition to reading a whole bunch of posts, looking for some to give a merit or two, the OP wants us to write a justification as well? Like the trust comments?
You all got that right.  Nor would I really care to read the inevitable comments that would accompany most merits:  "Good post", "+1", and the like--and that's if anyone even bothered to comment.  And assuming you had to write something in, you'd probably get mostly incoherent nonsense written by members who just have to fill in a field.  At the very worst it might turn people off the merit system altogether.

Bad idea.

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So in addition to reading a whole bunch of posts, looking for some posts to give a merit or two, the OP wants us to write a justification as well? Like the trust comments?




You read because you read if you deem proper you can merit.

I am a merit source. I try to do a good job by distributing all of my source merit to as many posts as possible. Currently that involves giving merit to 200+ posts per month. If I had to also leave a comment on each merit that I gave out, I either wouldn't have a life or would have to just give more merit to fewer posts. I'm trying to spread my source merit around as much as possible.
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March 30, 2019, 12:17:01 AM
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if you think you need to "justify" why you merited a certain post, then you better not merit it in the first place. and sense there is no rules on what exactly should you merit someone for, there is no point of knowing what did someone merit a post for, as long as they are not sending the merit to their ALT.



but that's my sentence  Embarrassed

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So in addition to reading a whole bunch of posts, looking for some to give a merit or two, the OP wants us to write a justification as well? Like the trust comments?
You all got that right.  Nor would I really care to read the inevitable comments that would accompany most merits:  "Good post", "+1", and the like--and that's if anyone even bothered to comment.  And assuming you had to write something in, you'd probably get mostly incoherent nonsense written by members who just have to fill in a field.  At the very worst it might turn people off the merit system altogether.

Bad idea.
if you think you need to "justify" why you merited a certain post, then you better not merit it in the first place. and sense there is no rules on what exactly should you merit someone for, there is no point of knowing what did someone merit a post for, as long as they are not sending the merit to their ALT.



but that's my sentence  Embarrassed

So in addition to reading a whole bunch of posts, looking for some posts to give a merit or two, the OP wants us to write a justification as well? Like the trust comments?




You read because you read if you deem proper you can merit.

I am a merit source. I try to do a good job by distributing all of my source merit to as many posts as possible. Currently that involves giving merit to 200+ posts per month. If I had to also leave a comment on each merit that I gave out, I either wouldn't have a life or would have to just give more merit to fewer posts. I'm trying to spread my source merit around as much as possible.

I never said a comment is a must.

I just cannot believe I answered 3 posts with 4 real words.

Edit: Updated op.


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I think there is enough drama already. But feel free to PM the person and explain why you sent them merits.
I mean the merit system is so one doesn't use the trust system to "merit" post reliability, perhaps you not meriting the quality of the post just what it speaks, or perhaps a clarification would be made since you meriting someone for something they do not that specifical post.
These are cases that I feel needed by own forum use.

The act of sending merit in itself is an explanation, which means "I think this is a good post".

Users who abuse the system (e.g. merit their alts to rank them up) wouldn't use those comments to expose themselves anyway, so it would be quite pointless to have such an option.

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March 30, 2019, 12:42:24 AM
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So, my wish/idea is basicaly being able to see and explain why that person has been merited most specificaly.
That would be good of course to avoid any misconception why you gave a merit to a certain post. However, that would not be necessary because there is no sanctions on giving merits except that you will be accused on something so mean like having a multiple account but other than that a user should have nothing to worry.

I have been also suggesting some things for the forum but I was just only told to adapt the things that the forum has to offer because it will take some time and a lot of considerations of other suggested opinions for the betterment of the forum and it has the possibility to create  conflict especially on the existing system.

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So, my wish/idea is basicaly being able to see and explain why that person has been merited most specificaly.

You could just quote the merited message and reply if you want to support a post in your words after meriting it. Giving a feedback everytime you merit does not matter and is much of an time consuming option if implemented.

And yaa as bones261 said a merit source would just stuck up with lot of time if the above suggested option is implemented and used.


Edit: Pehaps being able to merit an user directly instead of his posts?.

This looks like an stupid sentence. Roll Eyes

Pheraphs meriting a users posts basically means meriting the user directly.
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Edit: Pehaps being able to merit an user directly instead of his posts?.

I am surprised that you put forward this idea after doing the edit.
Why do you need comments for giving merits ? your giving  Merit does not already  says that you think that response is quality.

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But why? The proposed feature won't add anything useful to the forum therefore those interested in leaving reason for merit can just do what others do. Either you send PM explaining your reason for awarding the merit like Suchmoon have earlier suggestion or make use of the reply space and give reasons why you have merited the post but this isn't necessary unless you feel the need to clear the air. example;

Maybe LoyceV partially agreed with those posts.
It doesn't matter if I agree or not, CryptopreneurBrainboss's post is clearly not spam, and he put a lot of work in it. Asche shows a totally different angle, and cabalism13 disagrees with asche. The Pharmacist gives a different insight again, and hacker1001101001 provides a reason to support CryptopreneurBrainboss's merit source application. There were a few more posts, but you get the idea Smiley


Edit: Pehaps being able to merit an user directly instead of his posts?.

Merit was introduced to highlight quality posts benefiting the OP in regards to ranking up for those who need it. why would you merit a user that doesn't involve quality posting? can you state one reason. If a user is worthy of merit as you say then it most be because of his quality posts or contribution still through a post, go merit those.

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March 30, 2019, 08:42:01 AM
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So, my wish/idea is basicaly being able to see and explain why that person has been merited most specificaly.


In my humblest opinion, I think it is unnecessary to give a comment on why you merited someone. It is already self-explanatory on why you merited someone either his post was substantial enough or because you found it amusing/interesting.


Edit: Pehaps being able to merit an user directly instead of his posts?.

Now this give rise to a plethora of problems involving the merit system as abuse can potentially begin here. Meriting a person directly can give rise to "stealth merits" as it leaves no explanation on why you merited a certain individual. This can be a form of abuse and potentially damage the forum in the long-run.

 
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March 30, 2019, 09:32:56 AM
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If you want to comment on Merit, you can always create your own thread in Reputation.

unless you feel the need to clear the air.
I don't mind explaining my Merit choices once in a while. I stand behind my choices, and hope my explanation can encourage others to do the same. My general reasoning for meriting a post is pretty simple: If a post is good, I merit it. If a Newbie isn't spamming, he's more than welcome to this forum. Don't overthink it Smiley

Theymos said not to worry about it, but when someone questions my Merit (note that the context of this quote is talking to a Merit source):
Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly. It's conceivable that someday you and I will end up disagreeing too much about this stuff and I'll remove your source status, but it's really not a big deal.

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March 30, 2019, 10:59:41 AM
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So, my wish/idea is basicaly being able to see and explain why that person has been merited most specificaly.
I may have justified it a few times, but that is about it, and basically so that the merited person could understand better that the content he created was meritable as opposed to other posts created by him, thus attempting to encourage him posting as he did in the merited post.

Aside from that, there is no need to justify the merits you award unless you abuse the system, and in those cases the justification will not be provided, or be at best a lame attempt to camouflage the event.

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Edit: Pehaps being able to merit an user directly instead of his posts?.
That would lead to more merit abuse than the current stand, since there would be no single item to contrast the merits being awarded (specific post).

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March 30, 2019, 11:48:11 AM
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If I had my way everyone WOULD be REQUIRED to give the reasoning why they gave the post merit.
Also it would need to match against the same set of criteria that everyone needed to match against.

If you are too lazy to give a description  don't be a merit source. I will do it for you. Or if you are just a regular user (nonMS) that does not feel the post was brilliant enough to warrant giving some merit don't bother I guess.


Lavishing merit on shit posts that align with your board politics or that benefit your own selfish motives should be crushed. It destroys free speech and creates an echo chamber here.

You could say the more criteria it matches the more points it gets.  

Whatever it could hardly be more of a farce that it is already.



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