Getting merits for talking about merits - let's just call it merit board?

[cryptohunter]

Local rules - no sub 150 activity puppet scum.


I mean look at just this example

I mean of course none of the goons in meta will accept this so I just post it for historical reasons.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190330143829/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0

How many loyceV (cheap robo vac  AI with limited stats analysis skills just above raw data spew) threads does meta need? Let's chip in for a new robo vac  that can generate some real discussion and debate. It has basically stopped sucking up dirt in theymos's dogs kennel and designated its entire processing power to generating more merit stats puke to spew all over then entire board. It is almost the entire page of meta now.


What was actually on meta board before theymos dreamed up the ingeniously board wrecking free speech crushing notion of merit and then installed LoyceV on his robovac to pump out every conceivable merit stat to fill meta with? whilst sucking back up swathes of merit for trying to apply some meaning to the meaningless rubbish that now enables full on scammers, liars, and other untrustworthy dregs to do as they wish with impunity

I mean I just had a quick swim and thought I would see if there was anything interesting or any progress in the direction of bringing back free speech and ridding the board of a gang of untrustworthy scum bags.

NOPE.

The vast majority of threads were just the robovac spewing out more merit stats to attract more merits weeee round and round.  I mean I have never seen any board so dominated and fascinated by a metric that we all know is pretty much meaningless (in suchmoons words).

Why not give merit it's own board? and keep meta for things that actually have some meaning?

Wanna debate any of this that would be great. Make sure you have some kind of realistic grasp of the mechanisms behinds merit and trust before engaging though because I can't waste too much of today schooling noob trash dummies blinded by merit enabled $ig campaign$$$$$

Yes I am getting bored of waiting for my red trust to be removed and for something to be done about those observably scamming, lying and trying other shady shit and punishing those that whilstle blow on them after they were attacked for no good reason themselves by these crooks.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

No offense but the meta board was meant for issue relating to the forum which merit is one of them, if you want lively discussions visit other baord. I just have to air my view because I saw my thread in your arhieve link and beside it's an Application and the meta board is the right board to post such.

[cryptohunter]

Meta was meant for issue relating to the forum, if you want lively discussion visit other baord. I just have to air my view because I saw my thread in your arhieve link and beside it's an Application and the meta board is the right board to post such.

But why don't we make this merit board and so everything merit related stays here and people know where to come to feast of merits and we make another meta board. There we can discuss things with meaning instead of pretending a meaningless metric is now the basis for all new mechanisms of control to sit upon?

I feel important issues like freedom of speech and generating a atmosphere that is optimal for the crypto movement to thrive is probably more important.

Then all those that just want to discuss merit and how to get more merit so they can spam their sigs and higher rates can then have their own spamming merit nonsense board.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

CH, you’re not going to get your red trust removed by complaining about the people who gave it to you & moaning about people who put a lot of work into the forum & keeping it safe.

I think the best way you could get your red trust removed is to be friendly & helpful, kiss a bit of ass if you have to. Maybe hunt through the forum looking for scams & out them.

You’re never going to get what you want being obnoxious & annoying.

[TMAN]

Ever thought you could be wrong CH? If you are the only person in the room saying it’s hot and everyone else is wearing a winter coat then just maybe you are a loonatix spaz

[khaled0111]

Are you complaining because you believe there are too many topics talking about merit or because those posts are receiving a lot of merits?

Some members find those statics very useful. One of them was created just because you asked for it.

[cryptohunter]

CH, you’re not going to get your red trust removed by complaining about the people who gave it to you & moaning about people who put a lot of work into the forum & keeping it safe.

I think the best way you could get your red trust removed is to be friendly & helpful, kiss a bit of ass if you have to. Maybe hunt through the forum looking for scams & out them.

You’re never going to get what you want being obnoxious & annoying.

Kiss some ass?? I leave that to the rest of this board.

Be nice to those criminals that took your things  so they may give some back later on if you kiss their ass. Sorry I do not operate like that.

LOL keep it safe? yeah untrustworthy persons that are observable greedy, sneaky and dirty are the best people to keep the board safe. I see.

Sorry to be annoying presenting observable events that demonstrate clear untrustworthy person are controlling the trust system here.

@tuffman

Depends on the room. Not meta room. That would like end up being a sauna at max temp. Haha.

Meta is just brimming full with people wanting to brush their serious wrongdoing under the carpet and poke the fingers at others for far less serious infractions. Haha sorry that is not going to work on me.

The others are just a bunch of pathetic sniveling pussies terrified to debate anything.

Bring your evidence fools. I want to see all the incorrect information that I am proliferating. I want to see it right now.

Let me swat you in debate like flies. Ask suchmoon how it goes. She was fun but it got boring reducing her to blurting out ludicrous nonsense statements in desperation or watching her debunk her own arguments just when it was getting fun.

Now back to merit board renaming please stay on topic or else the mods surely will not delete you at my request.

[TMAN]

Why not just worry about yourself and not others? Life is unfair cryptofucknut, just worry about the things that you can control, like the length of your posts, worry more about yourself than others and maybe people might start listening to you.. or not, continue as you are. I would recommend getting a dictionary and looking up the definition of insanity

[Findingnemo]

We are allowed to give merit anyone if we consider they are worthy to merit but it may be a not worthy post on someone's view.Many statistical thread were received huge amount of merits because of the fact it is not easy to create such things so people are giving merit for their effort to bring something and it has some real usage to the forum.

If theymos don't like merits on META then he can restrict merits to the selected boards only.

[mikeywith]

I think the reason why those topics get a lot of merit is because they are special, almost every meta topic is about "accounts banned, spam accusation and why was a post deleted" .

So when I see some analayisis nicely presented i do tend to merit them, regardless of who made it, and this probably how most members think, maybe they get more merit than they should, but that wouldn't happen if there was a "competation" going on the forum.

If you have other "types" of posts that you think we should merit instead , please post away, show us some examples of what you think people are being unfair to.

[jackg]

"if there's nothing good to merit, wait" don't merit something with 29 other meriters because it does nothing.

We have to get this forum out of the scope of being general social media and about what it was originally made for. There are established users of this forum who have no idea how bitcoin works, this is a failure to me and I should be a failure of everyone's to try to help people learn more... Don't be a number and a sheep and just follow the crowd. You make yourself happy when you ditch your master and become free no matter the struggle.

Grow yourself don't mould to what the others do because you're just one of them then and follow the masses. If you haven't found much that's good to merit, that isn't and shouldn't be on us it's on yourself for being closed off from the rest of the forum. Even in the alt board that ton of hay is hiding a few gems

Hmm this seems to be aimed at one person which I don't think is correct.

I have a lot of issues with the meta board and certain things such as "making an infogrpahic guarantees you'll get some merits" or the people who merit Theymos for being Theymos. Sure when he does something you ask on a thread give him one or two merits don't everyone who agree with what he's done give merits.

Its an issue of merits also being given for exceptional or regular posts and I think the issues are caused by there still being too few merit sources. There should be an automated system a bit like trust that makes people merit sources if a certain condition is met.

Quoted my post from above so I can delete it.

[mikeywith]

"if there's nothing good to merit, wait" don't merit something with 29 other meriters because it does nothing.

If it does nothing then why do you bother ? You talk about the orginal purpose of the forum, which merit is no part of, so why give it much thoughts if you think it is not important, let those who value it worry about it.

Yes there are tons of valuable information in this forum, but you can't force everybody to go look for them, some people prefer the content of meta , some exclusively post memes in the WO mega thread, why do you think that everyone has to think the way you do? Sorry nothing personal against you, i know you are a great tech guy and it is hard to find members at your level, not having received so much merit does not change that fact.

Also another thing regarding the great posts that go unmerited, there are a dozen of topics made just for that, yet only a few good posts are pointed out, i spend a good amount of time looking for those posts and i usually end up meriting half-good posts because i don't agree with Hodling merit, merit is not a certificate for "bitcoin experts " it was meant to stop spammers from ranking up and that is all about it.

[cryptohunter]

" it was meant to stop spammers from ranking up and that is all about it.

correct it was never designed for anything else. Decouple it after snr having earned perhaps 25 merits at least and forget about it. Then let's get back to more important issues here.

merit as it is now is undeniably a tool to influence and crush free speech there can be no argument concerning this assuming (correctly) a HUGE % of persons are here to earn via PAID2POST or trade.

[mikeywith]

merit as it is now is undeniably a tool to influence and crush free speech.

How is that true? I am pretty sure members with less merit post more than those with more merit. Aside from the restrictions on newbies account " for obvious reasons" all other members have same privileges of posting all they want, wherever they want, unless you confuse your free speech rights with it being agreed upon and "applied".

[jackg]

If it does nothing then why do you bother ? You talk about the orginal purpose of the forum, which merit is no part of, so why give it much thoughts if you think it is not important, let those who value it worry about it.

Think back to the first merit you earnt and think of the dopamine rush you got. I know this is something that can set a bounty hunter onto the right track of engaging more with the forum and looking beyond the bounties that come up all the time (alright I like altcoins as they give an idea as to what bitcoin could potentially become or where bitcoin fails). My issue is I'm annoyed at the sheep and equally the people who give a ton of merits to a one line joke.

Yes there are tons of valuable information in this forum, but you can't force everybody to go look for them, some people prefer the content of meta , some exclusively post memes in the WO mega thread, why do you think that everyone has to think the way you do? Sorry nothing personal against you, i know you are a great tech guy and it is hard to find members at your level, not having received so much merit does not change that fact.

Nothing from my post should've been taken personally and I'm sorry if it was. I was just trying to give an example of my frustration in what goes on on this forum now since the merit system has been introduced.
I don't believe everyone should reside in one particular place in the forum. The beginners board is a good place for people to start and branch out from. I've only recently noticed that part of this forum too after jet cash pointed it out to me, I was as ignorant as most here for not trying to look through other sections that might be of interest.

Also another thing regarding the great posts that go unmerited, there are a dozen of topics made just for that, yet only a few good posts are pointed out, i spend a good amount of time looking for those posts and i usually end up meriting half-good posts because i don't agree with Hodling merit, merit is not a certificate for "bitcoin experts " it was meant to stop spammers from ranking up and that is all about it.

I'm glad you take your time to look for semi decent posts to merit because it's actually what the system is for.
It's a way to stop spammers ranking up but also a way to show those who do rank up how valued they are to the community (which potentially resides in meta so it makes sense why more merits are given here).

Merit sources need to frequent threads like that more often and we need a way to get people to merit posts that are of a lower value (especially merit sources). I've been known in the past to message ones with a link to thee thread to suggest they take a look at some of the posts there as there are points where I feel I need to intervene.

[cryptohunter]

merit as it is now is undeniably a tool to influence and crush free speech.

How is that true? I am pretty sure members with less merit post more than those with more merit. Aside from the restrictions on newbies account " for obvious reasons" all other members have same privileges of posting all they want, wherever they want, unless you confuse your free speech rights with it being agreed upon and "applied".

Please revisit the most important thread of the year mikey. This is undeniable. It is simply describing how the systems operate. There can be no denial.

I mean you really need to read that thread until you understand it. When you do understand this then you will never ask this question again.

Look say I try and mug you and I tell you if you scream for help I will blow your testicles off with this gun. I make you that promise.

Now of course I have not deleted your voice, or cut your vocal chords at that point and you are free to shout out if you like. You say that mugger has not influenced my freedom to scream out. Im going to do it right now to demonstrate this fact. Boom you're now gonna get as much action as the pharmacist.

Now a smart person knows the mugger has effectively crushed their free speech and not scream out. He loses some jewels but not his crown jewels.

this is not a perfect analogy and before fox poop arrives to tell us all that is highly unlikely a mugger would use a gun because that goes bang and is louder than screaming for help. Also he would leave immediately and not fumble around for the wallet covered in blood etc etc.  So go read the thread of the year and understand the entire thread. They you will see that merit and DT can certainly crush free speech If that does not work then you can be banned too if that does not work.

[cryptovigi]

On the one hand, I could agree with OP "Come on, we are on the forum about cryptocurrencies. Merits should be given out to users who contribute to the cryptocurrency society on topics like mining, trading, new technologies, advice and help in solving related problems - such posts they should be rewarded! "....

But wait - I am a hypocrite because I gained many of my merits for posts regarding this system and its functioning .

Let us think again - is it really bad that users receive merits for describing the operation of the new system, statistics that show how the distribution looks like, or the tips on how to gain merits?

I believe that since the merits have become part of this forum and at the same time the only way to achieve a higher rank, discussions and statistics on this subject are also an integral part of this forum. Therefore, many users (especially those who are trying to raise their rank, but also those who already have a high rank, but treat this system as a challenge) are interested in this topic - that is why posts and threads about merit topic should not be treated as worse than others.

Posts about the merit system can be high quality ones just as in any other topic, so they fulfill the basic purpose of the Merit system which Theymos described by introducing it.

...
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
...

[Foxpup]

Look say I try and mug you and I tell you if you scream for help I will blow your testicles off with this gun. I make you that promise.

Now of course I have not deleted your voice, or cut your vocal chords at that point and you are free to shout out if you like. You say that mugger has not influenced my freedom to scream out. Im going to do it right now to demonstrate this fact. Boom you're now gonna get as much action as the pharmacist.

Now a smart person knows the mugger has effectively crushed their free speech and not scream out. He loses some jewels but not his crown jewels.

this is not a perfect analogy and before fox poop arrives to tell us all that is highly unlikely a mugger would use a gun because that goes bang and is louder than screaming for help. Also he would leave immediately and not fumble around for the wallet covered in blood etc etc.

You're losing it (not that you had a particularly firm grasp on it to begin with). Nobody's castrating anybody on this forum (turning me into a vixen doesn't count unless you intend to have me spayed as well). Furthermore, you're becoming less lucid by the day and if you don't improve soon I won't be entertaining your deranged fantasies any further.

[The Cryptovator]

Isn't LoyceV earned enough merit according his/her rank ? I don't think he/she creating merit thread for earn merit. Really he/she no need any merit for himself. However few other people's make merit thread in order to earn merit, and it's true. Personally I can't remember if I have sent any merit on this kind of merit topic. And I don't like to spend my smerit on merit thread. I accept that at the beginning it was fine few post about merit analysis. But it should not be always. Really I don't know why people's are giving lot of merit on merit thread. I am agree with it that meta become now merit board. Even newbie just come here for earn merit.

I have raised question to admin why should we use external script or website in order to check forum details? Actual problem is who send merit, I don't think any problem with create thread. If no one send merit then merit poster will reduce day by day. No one will spend lot of time to analyse it. I believe analyse regarding merit isn't part of improve this forum.


However, regarding your red tag I have some options. Although sometimes you made good and legit post but it's not correct way to remove your tag. To be honest most of post you made about complaints. So really this kind of thread isn't going to help remove your tag. You should made constructive thread and constructive discussions. And make your apology thread and describe why your tag should be removed why your don't deserve tag. It would be better solution.

[cryptohunter]

Look say I try and mug you and I tell you if you scream for help I will blow your testicles off with this gun. I make you that promise.

Now of course I have not deleted your voice, or cut your vocal chords at that point and you are free to shout out if you like. You say that mugger has not influenced my freedom to scream out. Im going to do it right now to demonstrate this fact. Boom you're now gonna get as much action as the pharmacist.

Now a smart person knows the mugger has effectively crushed their free speech and not scream out. He loses some jewels but not his crown jewels.

this is not a perfect analogy and before fox poop arrives to tell us all that is highly unlikely a mugger would use a gun because that goes bang and is louder than screaming for help. Also he would leave immediately and not fumble around for the wallet covered in blood etc etc.

You're losing it (not that you had a particularly firm grasp on it to begin with). Nobody's castrating anybody on this forum (turning me into a vixen doesn't count unless you intend to have me spayed as well). Furthermore, you're becoming less lucid by the day and if you don't improve soon I won't be entertaining your deranged fantasies any further.

Please no more groundless accusations. You seem to not grasp the concept at all. I find you funny but still we must be clear that I am not telling lies or creating fake drama. I have offered the challenge to this entire board to bring me the incorrect information that I have presented many many times. I see nothing presented by anyone. Therefore what I am saying is true or at least nobody can provide compelling refutation.

 If you believe you can offer a refutation to my central point as to how the systems of control observably operate and their implications for this board with regard free speech. Go to  this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0  and pull it apart and prove me wrong. I will see you there.  They are quite simple and if you have a nice long read a few times you will understand that trying to deny it in public makes you look quite foolish.

This thread is not specifically aimed just at robo vac AI only that that screen shot demonstrates how many topics he is replying on at one time all about merit.  It is just the total obsession with slathering merit on and obsessing about merit related stats and some fantasy about their relevance relating to other totally unrelated matters like trust. When you accept that merit by its very nature is subjective and of very low value with regard anything other than preventing bots and account farmers then perhaps it is time to focus on other areas of interest.

I am simply saying why not have a board called merit board where merit is discussed and others can get a fair chance at a slice of the merit pie served up in that section by providing their merit data pulls.

Does loyceV do a good job at what he does? yes I guess so but he has enough merits now right? so give some other people who can pull merit stats a chance by telling them ...hey here is merit board everything about merit here. You want to pulls stats and talk about merits and how much you love them and their brilliant cure all capabilities and how having more makes you a "better" more "valuable" poster? come here and do it.

Meta can then focus on some other things too and perhaps find better  systems to build out to improve things here. Sometimes getting fixated on a singe cure for all issues solution is not wise.

I think drilling down and creating some accepted standards for many behaviours here in terms of what are to receive reward and punishment would be the first thing to establish with the long term goal of creating and optimal environment for crypto to flourish. Most of the friction around seems to be because people have very different ideas on what is "good" and "bad" and "optimal" sub optimal".  While we all focus on merits this is not going to happen. Merits are useful to prevent bots and account farmers. Nothing more in their current form.