Demo M20 v1 is on order due May 20th

[philipma1957]

I was contacted from pangolin today they want me to notify and describe customs to USA when it comes. They want to know the exact amounts charged to me. If any is charged at all. Not counting on beating the trump tax on this one but we shall see in about 49 days.

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[philipma1957]

Interesting. I know the invoice attached to my M10 was ... ? ...  what I paid. I think you can infer what they may be interested in knowing.

I deleted your post for some  reasons I rather not mention.  

I then quoted it with an alteration in bold/blue  All to protect you as that info about your purchase does not need to be revealed on this website.

I can clearly state in my case all m10's I purchased after the trump tax was started were sold to me for under 800 usd a piece as I actually paid under 800 usd each.

They were ordered more the 1 week apart one at a time so I truly avoided the trump tax legally.

I can also say I did not ask pangolin to do  about the m20 v1 72th 3312 watt demo unit.

To be more  clear about this please refer to this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdhAfMor9BM

this is what I know and think about the trump tax on the m20 v1 demo purchase that I made.

BTW  she (Doris Day) is still alive at 96 soon to turn 97 on April 3rd.

[sarcheer]

Understood Phil. I will say that I did pay less than the de minimis for avoiding the tariff, but the invoice was (blank).

[philipma1957]

I got a telegram from Pangoliminer Laurent.

with link to the video  68 th and 3300 watts = good enough for me  to want more.

[minefarmbuy]

Looks nice, though their listing is private.

If you all need cables/pdus let me know, we can add to our bids.

[Artemis3]

Looks nice, though their listing is private.

If you all need cables/pdus let me know, we can add to our bids.

They opened it, and added a coupon: BESUTOMAINA delivery in August, 70TH 3360W (48W/T).

Can't wait to see how much more efficient it can be tweaked into...

[minefarmbuy]

There it is. We'll get our listing up, for these soon.

[TheYankeesWin!]

free shipping   coupon = 159 usd   cost is 2190 after coupon

[minefarmbuy]

We'll apply coupons but have to price at list price unfortunately.

[philipma1957]

WELL for now I will wait for the Demo  may 10 -20

Once it is setup I will be getting them   mostly due to the 68-70th at  3300 watts.  it is a big number  for 1 box.

I wonder if  the downclock  is  50th at 2000 watts  

August date is tough  to buy a lot.

Trump tax =  500+  also a tough number to work with.

The trump tax really slowed hashrate growth.

One of these  is 2190 add 27.6%  and it is 2794.44 usd

does 70th at 3300 watts

5 s9's do 70 th at 7000 watts  cost = 900   vs 2794 a 1894 cash savings

power saved = 3700 watts  or 3.7 x 720 =

2664 kwatts a month at 10 cents  266.40 usd   7.10 months to make up  the purchase price with power savings
"         "        "    "      "    9  "       239.76 usd   7.89 months to make up   "        "          "      "      "         "
"         "        "    "      "    8  "       213.12 usd   8.88 months to make up   "        "          "      "      "         "
2664   "        "    "      "    7  "       186.48 usd   10.16 months to make up  "        "           "      "      "         "
"         "        "    "      "    6  "
"         "        "    "      "    5  "       133.20 Usd   14.21 months to make up the purchase price with power savings

I guess  from 7 to 10 cent power cost you could argue getting a few.

but once you have  5 4 or 3 cent power  you can still  wait a bit.

[mgoz]

4 month wait is risky. Almost identical pricing as S17 before coupons, while being less efficient. When they had a 3 month pre-order with the M3, prices were around 50% cheaper by the time they shipped and the cheaper batches shipped only a week or two after pre-order. I will wait until August and for Phil's review. I expect S17's coming online shortly will force these to become even cheaper.

[philipma1957]

Well here is a perfect call.  My demo  was due to ship:

may10-20
then may 20
then  June 1
then  June 5

as of now it has yet to ship.  I am at least one of 3 people waiting on the demos  and no shipping info.

I never say don't order  from a company  until I am sure they are bad.

I do say  be careful with this gear and orders look like they will be further delayed.  Until I don't know when.

I am fortunate as I did acquire :

1 s17 pro 53th

I have 2 t17's on order
I have an innsilicon t3t 39th on order
I have some avalon a1041's coming.

So this delay while frustrating is not a death blow.

Please be careful buying from anyone as times are very interesting for getting new mining gear.

In the meantime

my
 s17
 s15
 s 9's
 t15

along with my 8 m10's  which is why I ordered my m20 demo

a921
a721
t2t 24th

all mine on.

So far in a world revolving around my dreams if I had my choice I would own all s17pro 53th gear.

I would love to see if the m20  is worthwhile  maybe next week.

[Steamtyme]

Yeah I was following them a bit on telegram and noticed they were taking a holiday for Friday, so I had already given up on this week. The last thing I received was an email asking to confirm information for customs, and that if I didn't respond within 48 hours they would use what they had on file. This was different from all other orders I had placed with them, so it made me wonder if they were shipping them differently, maybe direct from manufacturer.
Still I had no other choices really at the time, with the potential 240V hardcaps I've seen in the specs of other miners. Upside is I did get my spare parts to play with the M10 this weekend.

[philipma1957]

I got my spare m10 psu   it is  dead.

Of my 8 m10s' I have the 1 shit one.  and the psu does only 11.97 volts.  it does run 3 boards on low okay but not on high.

So they sent a new one it came monday I hooked it up yesterday and it is fucking dead.  0.000 volts to the buss bars.  it does power the 2 fans and the controller.

So I now have a dead psu which was not cheap a slightly crippled m10.

and waiting on the m20s.

[coldbitcoins]

Greater than or equal 20A amp rating would be in the safe zone.

So a 20 amp breaker will be good enough for this miner?

[HagssFIN]

So a 20 amp breaker will be good enough for this miner?

I was talking about the cable wire gauge.

Answer to your question is that, with 220V voltage, yep.

[philipma1957]

So a 20 amp breaker will be good enough for this miner?

no  my guess is you need a 240 volt 30 amp.

not a 240  20 amp.

we have seen a demo  of this gear pull 3417 watts.

depending on your voltage level   say 208 to 242   you will pull 16.42 amps to 14.12 amps.

a 20 amp breaker doing 16.42 amps  is not good for a 24/7/365 load.  it is just over the limit.

So yeah 1 unit in a cooler space you may do it.

but 5 units or 10 units or 20 units on a warm spot and you are in trouble.

time will tell how subject they are to this issue.  there are not any in the field with regular miners.

I really would have preferred them to use Bitmain's 2 plug design on the s17.

Edit HaggsFin is correct that 220 volts is good  just as I am correct that 208 volts will or may be short with a 20 amp fuse.


just got tracking!!!!!!

yeah baby!!!!!

[HagssFIN]

just got tracking!!!!!!

yeah baby!!!!!

Me too!

Looks like our testing and reviewing can begin quite soon.

[philipma1957]

I have been waiting and waiting and waiting.

[Steamtyme]

I know the feeling, i didn't get tracking information but was told I'd have it by Tuesday. We'll see, they said it was an issue with Chinese Customs but didn't elaborate any further.