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April 02, 2019, 11:29:16 AM
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Just tell me what would a campaign manager need loads of merit for, for raising up a campaign thread  Huh.

If the campaign Op makes a reasonable comment on the thread in between the time of running it, that is cool but where merit is given out for the mere reason of pasting a campaign thread, such merit is undoubtedly absurd...

That is what I'm thinking, what is your view to it ?

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April 02, 2019, 11:35:04 AM
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April 02, 2019, 11:36:47 AM
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I think people should be free for spend their merit in whatever they think they should. Merit farm and people that abuse the merit system should be punished with negative trust or banned from the forums. But for everything else, I do not see any problem.
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April 02, 2019, 11:38:05 AM
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It’s not a waste of sMerit its just a show of support i think.

It will not be totally wasted because campaign managers are too generous on giving merit if they saw some post that really deserves it. We also have merit sources who gives credit where credit is due.

We give merit to Theymos because we are so thankful for his great work, same thought for the managers.  Smiley
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April 02, 2019, 11:41:55 AM
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Just tell me what would a campaign manager need loads of merit for, for raising up a campaign thread  Huh.

For ranking up if he/she is not an legendary.

If the campaign Op makes a reasonable comment on the thread in between the time of running it, that is cool but where merit is given out for the mere reason of pasting a campaign thread, such merit is undoubtedly absurd...

It cannot be said as absurd, as some people are meriting the campaign thread if they like the campaign or if they get good treatment and payments from the manager. Merits could be an way of thanking here than to be looked as an merit abuse.

Many of the campaign managers already reported unwilling merit transactions on there bounty threads from unknown members but most of the time its about the love campaign participants show towards the campaign or the manager.
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April 02, 2019, 12:13:58 PM
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We can't tell the real reason why some members waste their Merits in campaigns. But I guess some reason is because...
It's bitcointalk's version of digital ass-licking.
Or because they just wanted to spent Merits, obviously.

It’s not a waste of sMerit its just a show of support i think.
Actually it is still a waste of Merits I guess. Giving Merits to campaign threads than to give them to quality posters is a huge lose for those who deserve to receive Merits. About the "support" you were talking about, we can show our support by doing different things and without giving Merit to a campaign thread, actually what kind of support can you provide by giving up some merits in such threads? Will it make the project successful? Will it hook some customers? the answer is No isn't? Because the only one who will get benefit is the campaign manager or the one who created the campaign thread.
I can somehow say that giving one Merit ONLY is acceptable but giving more than one like two or fifty is unacceptable.

Just my thought anyway, besides we can't actually do anything to stop those people.

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April 02, 2019, 12:46:35 PM
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About the "support" you were talking about, we can show our support by doing different things and without giving Merit to a campaign thread...

Yes and that includes bumping the manager's advert thread regularly any time it is required, helping to paste the profile to agent who are seeking the services of a manager on a thread rather than giving questionable merits for just a campaign thread that pops up.

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April 02, 2019, 01:00:02 PM
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Yea. It's pretty much for support or probably as a sort of "thank you" to the campaign manager, mostly from the members of the campaign. Should merit be spent this way? Definitely debatable. I would say probably not especially if the campaign manager has lots of merits to start with already. There's pretty much nothing we can do though if some people wanted to spend it that way, as as far as I know, there are no rules regarding merits, as long as it isn't abuse.

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April 02, 2019, 01:10:24 PM
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Because the only one who will get benefit is the campaign manager or the one who created the campaign thread.
And who is going to get benefit from any other post which is merited, other than the person who made the post? By your logic, it is also a "waste" of merits to merit anybody with >1000 merits, since they can't rank up any more anyway.

I happen to agree that sending 20-50 merits to a campaign thread is a waste, but if people want to waste their merits in this way then they are free to do so. If there is a genuine lack of merit going around then the way to address this is with more sources and/or a higher allocation for each source, rather than enforcing rules on what users can and cannot merit, which after all, is completely subjective.

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Quite a complex question I think if we are going to view merit as something that we are really trying to apply in some of meaningful way.

Yes, in this case it is likely just kissing ass if they were applied before the end of the campaign . Another way that merit corrupts and breaks the natural behaviour of users here . It gives incentive to ass kiss and agree with those that have merits to give and other positions beneficial to paid2post and deters saying anything against them or their ideas, merits can be used to sweeten and bribe too.  Hence the gross influence over free speech. However I do think there is hope for the future as it is likely to improve long term.

This is relevant to the to the OP because although it is a waste in some cases, one can not say that for sure.  I mean you would have to present a case to demonstrate that. If that person is already a legend then yes it could be seen as a waste regardless or certainly if they have exceeded the earned 250 merits DT key threshold nomination requirement.

Is it deserving?  Really then  the only way that a campaign manager is deserving of merit (for that campaign)is  if he is doing his job to the best abilities that serves optimally

1st . the board - make sure he is not working for a scamming project. This means a 2 bit run with the btc  scams nor a far more dangerous long term moral crushing and large scale scam that takes months or years to finally collapse into a mess of broken investors and empty dev fund. So really they would need to have a great understanding of the white paper and the team and how the funds are to be released to that team. In short they would need to do a lot of homework and make sure the escrows are highly reliable and milestones are set at sensible stages.

2nd. the advertisers / project itself -  a poor community manager that should be avoided is one that gives unfair favour to those he is familiar with (or for any other unexplainable reason)  even if they are less suitable  in terms of " objective value of their posts" . In short a campaign manager should accept ALL members on a first come first served basis unless he HIMSELF can present a STRONG case to demonstrate using observable events they are NOT creating valuable posts or that they have scammed or strongly likely to have scammed. Else this is sensible grounds for discrimination and the suspicion of back handers and other less clear mutual benefits.

It must also run smoothly, and those participants that stick by the "fair" terms are paid out what it was stated they would receive.

So in summary only you can decide if these kind of merits are deserved or not, but really they should not be applied at all until the END of the campaign. Else how would one determine they have met the stated pre requisites of providing optimal or near optimal service to the board, advertisers and the project?

Actually campaign managers are the KEY to balancing a lot of currently unbalanced aspects of the board. Their actions/decisions should be under close close scrutiny even more so than merit sources and DT when you start to think about it deeply. The buck stops with them, and it is their job to make THEY are taking the most appropriate and optimal actions not relying on misleading subjective metrics.


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April 02, 2019, 04:45:18 PM
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I think a lot of people just use their merit as a like or upvote button here and obviously people like bounty threads where they can get easy money. I've always seen those that do though as essentially just trying to sweeten the mangers. It's like a little merit bribe in the hope they get a slot, but that's like taking a gift along to a job interview or sliding money along the counter in an envelope with a wink lol. I hope most managers don't fall for it however and actually evaluate a users posts regardless of how much merit they send their way.
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April 03, 2019, 01:09:10 AM
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Merit main purpose was to highlight quality posts therefore it depends totally on what you consider to be quality posts. I consider posts contributing positively to the forum as quality posts and that involves Paid signature campaign thread and I don't have any problem meriting those although the merit amount won't be much if I had the opportunity to have more smerits.

In the mist of all the signature we have out there, merit can be used to differentiate between quality ones and average ones just as it does to topics or replies in threads.

I'm against the abuse of merit on those thread though, a reasonable good amount is ok but when you abuse by sending huge sum just to buy manger's favor then that should be investigated.

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April 03, 2019, 01:14:29 AM
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Yeah, it's unnecessary but what can you do?  I would also suggest that there are probably enough merits to go around right now, but there aren't enough posts deserving of merit.  Some people--bounty hunters in particular--couldn't care less about meriting good posts.  I believe the only value the merit system has is in them getting the merit, not giving it to others.  Thus they throw it away on the OP of a campaign they joined or are trying to join. 

My point is, it's not something to get outraged about.  You probably weren't going to get merits from the members who merited a campaign manager anyway.  If people want to do that, let 'em.  They're not going to get banned, they're not going to get tagged by DT members, and there aren't going to be any consequences for doing that sort of thing.  Just let it go.

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April 03, 2019, 01:21:02 AM
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Just tell me what would a campaign manager need loads of merit for, for raising up a campaign thread  Huh.

If the campaign Op makes a reasonable comment on the thread in between the time of running it, that is cool but where merit is given out for the mere reason of pasting a campaign thread, such merit is undoubtedly absurd...

That is what I'm thinking, what is your view to it ?

It could be any reason, But probably there are only 2 common reason's Cheesy

To bribe the Campaign Manager  Shocked

To Thank the Campaign Manager  Cheesy

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Merits and sMerits are abundant around us, and waited for opportunities to meed quality posts to drop on.
I would also suggest that there are probably enough merits to go around right now, but there aren't enough posts deserving of merit.
It is somehow distracting from the main purposes of merit system, but there are non official or unofficial rules on merits, so they don't violate anything, even merit abusements.
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Thus they throw it away on the OP of a campaign they joined or are trying to join.  
theymos's opinion on merit system and roles of merits in the forum.
I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
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While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.
Those ones seems to merit to OP that they agree with or to show their compliments to managers for giving them chances to join.
Usually, I see participants send only 1 merit to campaigns' OPs, that I think is fair enough, despite of this behaviour somehow don't stick with theymos' opinion on merit system.
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April 03, 2019, 06:11:13 AM
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It’s not a waste of sMerit its just a show of support i think.

It will not be totally wasted because campaign managers are too generous on giving merit if they saw some post that really deserves it. We also have merit sources who gives credit where credit is due.

We give merit to Theymos because we are so thankful for his great work, same thought for the managers.  Smiley
So it has been used as something an exchange for accepting you into their campaign?

This is really against the merit system because it is like bribing the campaign manager for acceptance. Cheesy

I did asked about this many times on various threads but it is not against the rules so nothing can be done unless theymos comment on it.

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