Zackz5000
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Today at 09:35:40 AM |
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SourceLet's stop arguing for a moment, we see that bitcoin is back up to $63k it is a very fast price reversal by bitcoin after experiencing a price drop to below $55k. Congratulations to some people who may do DCA at that price level will be very happy for you, yesterday was scared because it had a lot of market fud that affected bitcoin to decline, Holder is winner and DCA is always a very sharp sword to get prosperity with bitcoin. Maybe it will be a DIP to reverse the bull market again. The recent DIP was caused by the German government's irresponsible market sell orders they did on the Bitcoin market. But because there were probably investors that saw it as another opportunity to buy the DIP, they took advantage of the German government's actions. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) I believe that there will not be another DIP like what recently happened again, BUT Mt. Gox Bitcoins have been moved again - to an "unknown wallet". It was definitely an opportunity during the downturn that investors should BUY as the German government's uncontrollable actions left us with more bitcoin due to DIP buying. Although not sure if this drop will happen again in the future just that we already feel satisfied buying last week with more because the discounted price will not come twice in the near future so investors who take advantage of the opportunity are pretty good. If Mt.Gox has transferred its assets to an unknown wallet, let's say this is the start of the price distribution back down, we are ready to carry bags to fill bitcoin again that's how we accumulate more bitcoin with the news of the existing panic. The dip is one the characteristics of Bitcoin which is also a great opportunity and advantage for every investors to accumulate enough Bitcoin as much as possible and hodl for the future it is an opportunity regardless of any strategies an investor chooses to accumulate Bitcoin with, for me I still use my DCA strategy to accumulate Bitcoin and the dip has been an opportunity for me to accumulate more and more Bitcoin.
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Today at 09:39:45 AM |
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When it comes to investing in Bitcoin we must always gain enough experience about the Bitcoin market before we invest in Bitcoin. Many times it is seen that in the condition of lack of experience in Bitcoin, investing in Bitcoin has to face more losses than clubs.
Yes, knowledge is really very important in every aspect of life, especially in business or investment, so we can be guided in the right direction. There are some people who are not part of the cryptocurrency industry because they were scammed by scammers or sold their Bitcoin investments at the wrong time, all due to a lack of proper knowledge. Investing in Bitcoin is not really hard when someone is genuinely interested. All they need to know at the start is the difference between non-custodial and custodial wallets, and the best exchanges to buy Bitcoin. After buying, they should move it to the right wallet, which is a non-custodial wallet, for proper security. Once someone has this knowledge, they can start investing in Bitcoin. It doesn't require a lot of experience to begin a Bitcoin investment. When they start investing with they little knowledge they first gathered they will continue learning. Infact start after investing, the desire to protect their funds will make them more serious about learning about Bitcoin and others cryptocurrency. Nobody likes to lose their invested Bitcoin. As a beginner the primary focus should be on bitcoin. They should not have anything to do with any other crypto currencies, because that's where the scams are. That's the mistake most people do. Beginners should just stay on the lane of bitcoin, be it on learning basis or investing. They should forget whatever anybody is telling them about learning any crypto currencies, because the moment they do that they are already positioning themselves for scams. Whatever you are continuously reading or learning has a great potential of influencing your future decision/judgement. If they dive into learning about other crypto currencies, they will be tempted to invest in it. And when they invest in it and get scammed they will relate it to bitcoin and they will lose their interest to keep holding bitcoin. My brother, you are very much on point, most newbies in this crypto space are very much misinformed, they were mostly told that shit coin and alt coin gives more returns, but they were not told all it entails, how they fell more than they rise, how most people have lost their hard earned money by investing in shit coin. Most times, it's just greed, some are rightfully informed, but because of 10x to 100x, they choose to gamble their hard earned money on it, when it goes south, they start saying that they were scammed, and started associating Bitcoin with it, by generalizing it, but the good thing is that, at some point, they will learn the hard way, because greed is never a good thing in this crypto space, so in essence is that it's only greed or misinformation that will make an investor to invest in shit coin other than Bitcoin, when it's very clear that Bitcoin is the only reliable currency in the crypto space. People always want to hear good things about a particular investment but fail to ask the necessary questions about such investment, individuals don't bother to know the durability and the reliability of the said investment, I think most times I feel that people are misled based of their mindset, someone is been convinced because of what he or she believe, our mindset sometimes makes us to believe what people tell us, I think before we believe in anything called investment, no matter who is putting us through, our question should always be the disadvantages of such investment because many people tell imdiviafuals what they are already expecting to hear and they fall cheaply for it because of their curiosity. With my little experience, no matter how shitcoins rise, this will always happen once Bitcoin price is high, so anyone wanting to invest in shitcoin should first of all understand that Bitcoin controls the price of other coins so atleast with this understanding, an investors choice of investment is made easy.
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Today at 10:41:47 AM |
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An investor will fully understand how to invest from here, because once you buy the dip it will hit the highest level in the next bull market. Ok. My question to you is whether you have invested at all? As you mentioned buying bitcoins during the dip season will lead to maximum profits or peak levels during the next bullish season. Yes that's right. But should we wait for dip time, no. Instead we should invest using DCA method regularly so that we can enjoy the benefits of both dip season and bull season. Yes you are right, we should not wait for dip market to invest, we should continue investing in DCA method for long term. Now if someone waits for the price of bitcoin to fall, then it may happen that the price of bitcoin may rise instead of falling, then he will not be able to invest. So before investing in Bitcoin we need to decide to hold the investment for long term. It is true that if one invests in Bitcoin and holds it for a long period of time, he will surely profit. Keep investing at any time in any situation and hold for long term.
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Today at 10:56:12 AM |
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While you're being scared, smart money is doubling down. That’s because this dip is nothing new. As you can see, Bitcoin goes to a new all-time-high every 4 years: 2012: Bitcoin goes from $12 to $1000 = ~9,000% increase 2016: Bitcoin goes from $650 to $19K = ~3,000% increase 2020: Bitcoin goes from $8K to $69K = ~1,200% increase 2024: ? Notice how, in every consecutive cycle, the #Bitcoin returns get smaller by about ~60%. That would imply a 450% price increase this cycle, putting Bitcoin at ~$330,000 per coin. hereThoughts? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.talkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2024%2F07%2F17%2F4SSg3.jpeg&t=664&c=cPs1WuMneamFrA)
An investor will fully understand how to invest from here, because once you buy the dip it will hit the highest level in the next bull market. So it is proven that once an investor invests and if he buys DCA method or regular dip then he will definitely get success. And this figure proves the success of investors. You talking about ATH, I see no errors there but talking about when a new Bitcoin investor should buy Bitcoin, I think for the person to wait for the dip is not a good idea. Waiting for the dip only proves that you are skeptical about Bitcoin price, which means you are thinking that Bitcoin will continue to increase and you won't be able to buy Bitcoin at a high price, as a Bitcoin investor you are supposed to withness the up and down of the price of Bitcoin, and not only the success, but you should be rest assured that you will never sell in loss because you are going for a long term. If you want invest don't wait for the dip because DCA doesn't say one should wait for the dip before he or she start investing on Bitcoin. And again, if you are applying DCA method on your investment buying Bitcoin weekly is the best way to to use DCA method, if you are being paid $100 a month you can decide to invest $40 on Bitcoin which means you will be investing $10 per week and with time if you get to be promoted and salaries are doubled you can also increase the amount you are DCAing with (depending on how much you are paid).
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Today at 11:50:19 AM |
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The recent DIP was caused by the German government's irresponsible market sell orders they did on the Bitcoin market. But because there were probably investors that saw it as another opportunity to buy the DIP, they took advantage of the German government's actions. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) What if it is because of me that the German government sold to enable me collect more Bitcoin for my DCA value ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . Well, we don't have to be too emotional to the point of calling their action irresponsible because believe it or not, there will always be buyers and sellers in the market in response to the forces of demand and supply. Besides, if there are no sellers willing to give up on their Bitcoin easily, many people like us will not see the opportunity to take advantage of such generosity. I have learnt to focus more on myself in this journey, so that I will be able to secure my future by consolidating on every opportunity I see in the market. In other words, I always aspire to get better at prudent management of my finances. I think this is more important than trying to dictate what the weak hands do with their Bitcoin. Those people who get that tendency to be emotional caused by the smallest negative price movement of Bitcoin are those people who want to take profit in fiat. HODLers are in a different mental state. They WANT those DIPs, whether they're buying the DIP are doing DCA. It's simply another opportunity to buy more units in Bitcoin. Plus if you're a HODLer you should actually have a good understanding of the basic technical side of Bitcoin. It helps not to panic because you know Bitcoin has massive potential value, although sometimes there might be some anxiety. We are still humans.
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Today at 12:11:50 PM |
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I want to correct one impression that you are making here that many people are utilizing the DCA method because it is easy to use. No that's not the case, rather many people are making use of DCA strategy because it is more effective way of investing in bitcoin as it reduces the impact on the capital invested should there be a sudden drop in the market. The DCA method makes the capital outlaw not to reduce drastically when there is a sudden decline in the bitcoin market. This is the more reason why many people are comfortable with using the DCA method of bitcoin investment, not because it is easy. Also the DCA method makes it easier for people to buy bitcoin at their own pace according to their financial level. The truth is there is no method of bitcoin investment that's difficult to use.
You are literally contradicting your own explanation. How about I tell you that I prefer to use the DCA strategy because it is easy to use?. At least, I don't have to monitor Bitcoin price for an entire 24 hours, to observe when there is a dip(for those who only buy the dip). Bitcoin investments, especially to those who are new to it, shouldn't be explained with too many terminologies and complexity, but rather as smooth and easy as possible. Just as you've pointed out, "the DCA method makes it easier for investors to buy Bitcoin", which depends on their financial capabilities (source of income). It's always a continuous process, that doesn't need too many grammer or math solving to explain. I see that @Justbillywitt is trying to make a point and somewhere along the line maybe he didn't land whe he ought to. And yea surely there are time when we feel we are saying what we think and yet we are not getting it right or may get it right but others see it in Another way. I think what he is trying to say is that DCA strategy is not easy as people think. But what make people think it simple is due to the small fraction they buy weekly and it's not affecting our discretion amount, and if bitcoin price dips we may still have some amount in our discretion to still buy more . But that doesn't mean that DCA strategy or investment strategy is easy. But in my own opinion DCA may not be as easy as people think, but I know surely it's the easier way of investment compeard to lump sum or buying the dip that is why it is seen as the easier way and not the easiest. because surely most people can not still afford to invest through DCA because of there low source of income or the Level of their discretion. So I may say it's an easier way for investment for those who are willing to invest no matter how small, but may be difficult for those who are not ready or willing to Start. Ultimately I agree that there could be some element of DCA investing that is the "easiest" of any kind of investment approaches, but whether we label DCA as easy or not might also depend upon context, since even lump sum could be easy in the sense that maybe a guy buys bitcoin one time with a lump sum, and then just waits for 4-10 years or longer to see what the lump sum amount had done. yea truely lump sum is another easy way of investment strategy that allows you to invest once at ago and never stress up to regularly buy bitcoin through DCA. though that doesn't mean that some folks will not preferably chose other strategy against lump sum too like buying the dip, because I know that not everyone will like to combine the 3 investment approach all together. some may chose DCA while some will chose lump sum, and some will only like buying the dip. so each person will chose the investment approach that is easy for him and which it is not a must that everyone will follow all approach, but for a better investment goal all investment approach is needed for a better acculturation process. why I chose DCA as top priority is because regular buying of Bitcoin through DCA is like getting addicted to invest and saving from unnecessary expenses. you always recite it as a poem in your head to invest all the time, it gives you that impression and constant zeal to always buy regularly Instead of wasting some money for fun on weekly or monthly basis. because there some persons who recieve a huge amount in a contract or some business deal and invest in lump-sum for interval of 4-10 years and stop investment. where as they have a well paying job that gives them a regular payment every week or month which could have been used for regular DCA and buying the dip but they think that they have money in bitcoin which they have a 4-10 years plan, and may spend some money recklessly because they didn't deciplined themselves for regular DCA. I can say that DCA is another way of self deciplined that allow you to make judiciously use of your money without spending it any how and indirectly creating wealth for the future or for our children
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Today at 12:18:02 PM |
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The recent DIP was caused by the German government's irresponsible market sell orders they did on the Bitcoin market. But because there were probably investors that saw it as another opportunity to buy the DIP, they took advantage of the German government's actions. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) What if it is because of me that the German government sold to enable me collect more Bitcoin for my DCA value ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . Well, we don't have to be too emotional to the point of calling their action irresponsible because believe it or not, there will always be buyers and sellers in the market in response to the forces of demand and supply. Besides, if there are no sellers willing to give up on their Bitcoin easily, many people like us will not see the opportunity to take advantage of such generosity. I have learnt to focus more on myself in this journey, so that I will be able to secure my future by consolidating on every opportunity I see in the market. In other words, I always aspire to get better at prudent management of my finances. I think this is more important than trying to dictate what the weak hands do with their Bitcoin. Those people who get that tendency to be emotional caused by the smallest negative price movement of Bitcoin are those people who want to take profit in fiat. HODLers are in a different mental state. They WANT those DIPs, whether they're buying the DIP are doing DCA. It's simply another opportunity to buy more units in Bitcoin. Plus if you're a HODLer you should actually have a good understanding of the basic technical side of Bitcoin. It helps not to panic because you know Bitcoin has massive potential value, although sometimes there might be some anxiety. We are still humans. You are correct they are just like gamblers in the Bitcoin market who sees Bitcoin investment as a get rich quick investment who's aim is to make profit in Bitcoin investment in short hour. While those investors that know the true potentials of Bitcoin will see the dip in Bitcoin as an opportunity to accumulate more Bitcoin and HODL for long using any of the Bitcoin accumulating strategy to accumulate more Bitcoin.
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Today at 12:40:28 PM |
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2012: Bitcoin goes from $12 to $1000 = ~9,000% increase 2016: Bitcoin goes from $650 to $19K = ~3,000% increase 2020: Bitcoin goes from $8K to $69K = ~1,200% increase 2024: ? Notice how, in every consecutive cycle, the #Bitcoin returns get smaller by about ~60%. That would imply a 450% price increase this cycle, putting Bitcoin at ~$330,000 per coin. hereThe idea that Bitcoin has an occurrence cycle or a pattern that Bitcoin will go up because it has gone up in the past has blinded so may person to make ideal instead of realistic decisions in their investment. I presume that you are trying to give us an actual theory of why Bitcoin will maintain its value and grow over time, but you have to be realistic in doing so. I think the value of an asset concerning time should be measured based on the quantity of the asset you have accumulated so far. $65k = 1BTC (Longevity for one year period, perhaps value increases to 70K then profit should be 5k) $20 = 0.00031 BTC (Longevity for one year period, perhaps value increases to 70k then profit is less than 5$) We can be having little portion of Bitcoin or invest little and be expecting a good profit after Hodling. What should be focused on is accumulation. Every strategy that will make us have enough of Bitcoin. An investor will fully understand how to invest from here, because once you buy the dip it will hit the highest level in the next bull market. You're wrong here and you are giving yourself unrealistic things that were not promised by Bitcoin, and you are mistaken about everything in general. Buying the dip can be appealing but it is not a guaranteed strategy. Bitcoin is known for volatility so you should understand it. The price can go up x% and go down X% overnight for any reason. There is no guarantee that a dip you buy will be the lowest point before the next bull run. As an investor always be prepared that the uncertainty is high, and Bitcoin can go both directions. Which is the main reason why it is advisable that we should DCA and while doing that we can keep some cash for dips if it happens.
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While you're being scared, smart money is doubling down. That’s because this dip is nothing new. As you can see, Bitcoin goes to a new all-time-high every 4 years: 2012: Bitcoin goes from $12 to $1000 = ~9,000% increase 2016: Bitcoin goes from $650 to $19K = ~3,000% increase 2020: Bitcoin goes from $8K to $69K = ~1,200% increase 2024: ? Notice how, in every consecutive cycle, the #Bitcoin returns get smaller by about ~60%. That would imply a 450% price increase this cycle, putting Bitcoin at ~$330,000 per coin. hereThoughts? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.talkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2024%2F07%2F17%2F4SSg3.jpeg&t=664&c=cPs1WuMneamFrA)
An investor will fully understand how to invest from here, because once you buy the dip it will hit the highest level in the next bull market. So it is proven that once an investor invests and if he buys DCA method or regular dip then he will definitely get success. And this figure proves the success of investors. your highlights is very explicit concerning the historical analysis of bitcoin but its very doubtful for a 450% price increase and bitcoin setting a new ATH of $330,000 per coin in this year 2024. Saying so or comparing with such analysis, simply suggest that the price is determined or manipulated. How is that so possible, especially when we are still waiting for bitcoin to reach 100k which is still not certain and realistic rather than 3× of it. Common mate such a high percentage 450% is not worth having the thought of it to be realistic in this 2024. Buying bitcoin with either of the strategy (DCA, buying the dip, lump-sum) that aligns with our investment aims and according to our financial power with a perspective to HODL for long period will definitely be profitable and successful.
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Dickiy
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Today at 12:48:11 PM |
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An investor will fully understand how to invest from here, because once you buy the dip it will hit the highest level in the next bull market. Ok. My question to you is whether you have invested at all? As you mentioned buying bitcoins during the dip season will lead to maximum profits or peak levels during the next bullish season. Yes that's right. But should we wait for dip time, no. Instead we should invest using DCA method regularly so that we can enjoy the benefits of both dip season and bull season. Yes you are right, we should not wait for dip market to invest, we should continue investing in DCA method for long term. Now if someone waits for the price of bitcoin to fall, then it may happen that the price of bitcoin may rise instead of falling, then he will not be able to invest. So before investing in Bitcoin we need to decide to hold the investment for long term. It is true that if one invests in Bitcoin and holds it for a long period of time, he will surely profit. Keep investing at any time in any situation and hold for long term. Waiting for prices to fall will slow down our investment, for long-term investors it is not recommended to use this strategy, therefore the DCA strategy is very useful for those of us who want to invest long-term. buying regularly weekly or monthly from the money we allocate for our investment needs is the best solution. It is not right to wait for prices and yes I agree we cannot wait for prices to fall, we cannot predict the rise and fall of prices. There is no right time to buy when prices are falling except certain times such as bearish. The right thing is to continue buying and not be influenced by the market, because the main goal is for the long-term investment that we set. holding for a long period of time will give us benefits. The most important thing is that we have to be patient and buy with money that is really for our investment needs and does not interfere with our spending.
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Today at 02:04:57 PM |
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yea truely lump sum is another easy way of investment strategy that allows you to invest once at ago and never stress up to regularly buy bitcoin through DCA. though that doesn't mean that some folks will not preferably chose other strategy against lump sum too like buying the dip, because I know that not everyone will like to combine the 3 investment approach all together. some may chose DCA while some will chose lump sum, and some will only like buying the dip. so each person will chose the investment approach that is easy for him and which it is not a must that everyone will follow all approach, but for a better investment goal all investment approach is needed for a better acculturation process. why I chose DCA as top priority is because regular buying of Bitcoin through DCA is like getting addicted to invest and saving from unnecessary expenses. you always recite it as a poem in your head to invest all the time, it gives you that impression and constant zeal to always buy regularly Instead of wasting some money for fun on weekly or monthly basis. because there some persons who recieve a huge amount in a contract or some business deal and invest in lump-sum for interval of 4-10 years and stop investment. where as they have a well paying job that gives them a regular payment every week or month which could have been used for regular DCA and buying the dip but they think that they have money in bitcoin which they have a 4-10 years plan, and may spend some money recklessly because they didn't deciplined themselves for regular DCA. I can say that DCA is another way of self deciplined that allow you to make judiciously use of your money without spending it any how and indirectly creating wealth for the future or for our children
This made me remember when I was debating with a friend about whether to DCA or Lump sum and which is the best strategy. We couldn't come to any agreement because both have several advantages which means they are both good strategies but it depends on the investor to make a pick to use for Bitcoin investment. I agree that we should consider our allocation in Bitcoin and whether the risk tolerance is suitable to continue using the strategy we are using. And it is not a criterion that we should stick to one strategy till the end. It is allowed to make necessary changes to a different strategy when we are not comfortable with the previous one. Having high or better average returns is not the point of DCA. The point is instead to reduce the risk of a large loss and/or reduce the variance of the portfolio. It is important to assess how well it accomplishes that objective when we compare it to a lump sum. DCA is not the only way to accomplish a good portfolio. If we can live with the x% possibility of it being the best strategy then we can as well believe that the Lump sum can yield good results when pratised accordingly. What is important at the end of the day is that we adjust our portfolio to suit our level of risk tolerance. ~snip
You're making the same pyramid style while quoting. And I believe Jay has corrected you on this as it makes it difficult for one to find what you are referring to. I believe this thread will be useful for you - [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
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