LoyceV - robovac. low worth, low achieving, sig spamming fool. - REAL DEBATE.

[The-One-Above-All]

LoyceV - The Absolute Imbecile only.


So loyceV aka robovac AI. Wants a debate?  Oh really? Sorry no bogus meriting rules. Just come and debate robovac once you are done sucking up the dirt from Theymos's back room.

Okay sure robovac. We say you are the biggest waste of merits on this board. How can someone so observably stupid, capable only of raw stats puke to try and justify his huge bag of wasted merits.

We believe.

1. You have achieved nothing of note.
2. You pump out thread after thread of raw stats puke. You are a 1 trick pony.
3. In prior debates with cryptohunter you got made to look completely stupid. Yes we can provide examples and in the end you retreated to just leaving merits for your other pals who eventually debunked their own argument.


You want to measure your achievements against a true legend like cryptohunter? Please don't humiliate yourself in public with such a comparison.

Okay

1. Bring you 10 best original thought provoking posts (not stats related puke that tries to validate your worth through the broken metrics of merit) so that we can analyse them. Let's see what the raw stats puking robovac can output except .....well raws stats puke?

2. List your largest achievements that you have made since being a member here. Let's see what difference you have made.


After we all have a good laugh then we will present cryptohunters long list of great posts and his very long list of important achievements.

You asked for it. Now you have it. We know you are upset because cryptohunter correctly recognized you were a total moron the first time he met you in debate and crushed you. Then he really got you angry because your merit score is all you have? and that is based upon the same old tired stats spew you seem to enjoy. He challenged you to bring your important achievements and you went all quiet.

Come on robovac let's see what you can present for us to laugh and and pull apart. Revealing a big bag of merits and a total lack of high quality original thought inspiring contributions and ZERO achievements of any note that made any difference at all.

LoyceV - ROBOVAC - evidence that the merit system is total garbage. How can someone with zero high quality original thought inspiring posts and zero achievements that made any difference here have the most merit of any member except admins and satoshi??

You keep calling for a debate where you can remove posts? seems unfair? just debate here we will not remove yours we have nothing to fear from a low level Absolute Imbecile.

Been here years and STILL needs to spam his mixing sig for btc crumbs LOL.

[Quickseller]

Most of his stats are useful and interesting IMO, however I do agree many of his threads would be better suited for a page on his website rather than a thread on BitcoinTalk.

I find him to be generally trustworthy, however his large number of trust inclusions is likely the result of his many stat related threads, which is probably a flaw in the trust system.

[The-One-Above-All]

Most of his stats are useful and interesting IMO, however I do agree many of his threads would be better suited for a page on his website rather than a thread on BitcoinTalk.

I find him to be generally trustworthy, however his large number of trust inclusions is likely the result of his many stat related threads, which is probably a flaw in the trust system.

Those posts are often requested by others or inspired by others. He can pull stats and provide very minor and low level analysis of the raw data. Much related to the merit system which suchmoon correctly recognized as meaningless. We feel it is not only misleading but it is dangerous and promotes group think and an echo chamber. The best thing to do with merit is decouple it from rank after snr and leave it at that. Sitting around making thread upon thread on the entire meaningless nonsense is a waste of time.

To just clear up 1 thing.

1. We do not consider him a scammer or untrustworthy in financial terms. Also it has not been noticed that he abuses the trust system. We do not say he is a "bad" person but he wants to call out others for their value and achievements then he should be called to compare his own.

We are tired of his constant fighting against a transparent and fair set of rules that ensure all members are treated equally. He is also calling for a debate under his bogus rules where he gets to delete a post if it does not get merits.

His false accusations of trolling are also tiresome and he will not answer for them in debate.

He wants that debate he can have it here with no such rules. Both sides will not have posts removed on some bogus merit requirement.

We are looking for his original thought inspiring posts (not just some stats puke he pulled and given the raw data some order or very minor analysis).  Surely someone with such a huge merit score must have the ability to produce some original thought inspiring posts? all of these years must have some major verifiable achievements that made a difference here?  Else why ask for such a debate? other than to humiliate himself? annoying sig spamming fool.

[TMAN]

We are looking for his original thought inspiring posts

Here is a thought provoking post - FUCK OFF, no one likes you, no one wants you here - fuck even your mother probably didn't want you.


SHHHH

[The-One-Above-All]

We are looking for his original thought inspiring posts

Here is a thought provoking post - FUCK OFF, no one likes you, no one wants you here - fuck even your mother probably didn't want you.


SHHHH

No one likes us?  LIE red trust Tmans a liar. Cryptohunter likes us I bet.

Oh, that's very rude. Well, we can console ourselves that your mother wants us a lot, she wants anyone/everyone (except you for any amount that you have offered, although keep sig spamming and you may get lucky)  is that a lie?  well, only your mother could say. Then again she is likely such an untrustworthy toothless old dirt bag nobody could believe her.

Thanks Tuffman always fun to read your poetry. We would give you some merits for your thought provoking post but we feel it would be unfair to those malfunctioning bots that provide greater value.

It's fun to get down and dirty in the gutter at times. I hope they still allow you access to the internet when you banged up for extortion.
We will miss you Tuffman.

[Quickseller]

I did point out similar concerns with his thread previously:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

The majority of people who post on the forum have zero merit. For those that have received merit, the majority of their posts don’t have merit. If you strip out maybe two people (who don’t post much), the no one who is in the top 30 of merit received has even a quarter of their posts merited, even if you only count posts made after the merit system was implemented.

I think your rule will only encourage people to post popular opinions in the hope it receives merit.

As you can see, it was removed as it didn’t receive any merit. Perhaps a better way to have a debate would be a self moderated thread in which you are discussing a subject with one person and posts from anyone else is deleted. Although one could argue a PM conversation would be more appropriate— maybe not though because a PM conversation wouldn’t be public.

I don’t think loyce is contributing to groupthink— he is only responding to requests for information by providing such information. Although he hasn’t said specifically (that I am aware of), I don’t think he wants to promote groupthink and if you have any specific suggestions for him as to how to prevent groupthink with his stats, I’m sure he is open to suggestions.

[The-One-Above-All]

sadly we had to remove Tmans latest mummy ramblings and sexual fantasies. . This damage should not ridiculed and made light of. Poor guy has obviously be subjected to some serious trauma in his youth. Let us get back to waiting for the original thought inspiring posts made by LoyceV and his outstanding achievements that made a huge difference here in all of his years.

Merit itself encourages group think. It is the carrot, and red trust is the stick. This was quite clearly and correctly described by cryptohunter in his most important thread of the year. That clearly missed out on lot of merit

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0

Those that read the entire thread and correctly understood it, would know that that merit and trust leave free speech vulnerable and encourage group think and echo chambers. Meta board is a concentrated example.

However, let us not go way off topic from the start. Let us give loyceV a fair chance to present.

[HCP]

Perhaps a better way to have a debate would be a self moderated thread in which you are discussing a subject with one person and posts from anyone else is deleted. Although one could argue a PM conversation would be more appropriate— maybe not though because a PM conversation wouldn’t be public.

Taking this a step further... Perhaps what is really needed is a self-moderated thread that is actually created by a 3rd (hopefully independent) party. That way, neither party could accuse the other of censorship. So the rules would be something like:
- Only Person X and Person Y are allowed to post
- All posts by anyone else will be deleted
- No posts by either Person X or Person Y will be deleted

The obvious flaw in this extremely cunning plan... is finding a neutral referee to create and moderate the thread appropriately.

[Quickseller]

The obvious flaw in this extremely cunning plan... is finding a neutral referee to create and moderate the thread appropriately.

I don't think there are many people that both parties trust sufficiently (self) moderate posts as you describe.

I would be willing to volunteer to create such a thread if CH was willing to have a debate with someone else willing to debate CH. 

[The-One-Above-All]

There is no need for any other thread. We will not delete any of loyceV own posts. He wanted a debate so it is really just for him and us. We just wish for an open debate. None of this "needs merit or it is deleted" bogus junk.

LoyceV own posts will not be deleted . Other people who post (even though we stipulated loyceV only) will be moderated if they are derailing. We prefer just loyceV takes part in this debate. If he does not wish to debate under these much fairer conditions then that is his choice.

How much fairer can we be? he can say what he likes in his own posts and we can say what we like in our own posts. They will not be moderated. The SM is for other members (who we prefer do not post at all).

From now on robovac only.

[Timelord2067]

Perhaps a better way to have a debate would be a self moderated thread in which you are discussing a subject with one person and posts from anyone else is deleted. Although one could argue a PM conversation would be more appropriate— maybe not though because a PM conversation wouldn’t be public.

Taking this a step further... Perhaps what is really needed is a self-moderated thread that is actually created by a 3rd (hopefully independent) party. That way, neither party could accuse the other of censorship. So the rules would be something like:
- Only Person X and Person Y are allowed to post
- All posts by anyone else will be deleted
- No posts by either Person X or Person Y will be deleted

The obvious flaw in this extremely cunning plan... is finding a neutral referee to create and moderate the thread appropriately.

Gentlemen (and Ladies...) put down the handbags for a moment.  I'm sure you would agree that I am on no-ones side but my own, so I offer to make a self moderated thread for as many participants as agreed to seeing as none of you appear to know how to have a wank by yourselves. (unless it is in a circle)

My only condition is that previous threads such as this one are permanently locked with a signpost by the OP to the thread that I create.

From now on robovac only.

I can't actually find a UID with that name here. 

[Steamtyme]

So i found the premise if this thread annoying to say the least. Thankfully you didn't say "simon says" "local rule" so here's 10 topics started that I'd say qualify. That's right not posts as there would be more than enough.

I agree that once you've had your laugh you will find a list of long posts by CH. I think i interpreted that correctly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5116287.msg49998621#msg49998621

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5112400.msg49839996#msg49839996

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.msg49051692#msg49051692

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5091798.msg48992299#msg48992299

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4959742.msg44708601#msg44708601

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4928968.msg44399473#msg44399473

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4597341.msg41493797#msg41493797

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3955810.msg37709315#msg37709315

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3765354.msg37106943#msg37106943

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2848987.msg29228128#msg29228128

[The-One-Above-All]

So i found the premise if this thread annoying to say the least. Thankfully you didn't say "simon says" "local rule" so here's 10 topics started that I'd say qualify. That's right not posts as there would be more than enough.

I agree that once you've had your laugh you will find a list of long posts by CH. I think i interpreted that correctly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5116287.msg49998621#msg49998621

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5112400.msg49839996#msg49839996

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.msg49051692#msg49051692

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5091798.msg48992299#msg48992299

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4959742.msg44708601#msg44708601

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4928968.msg44399473#msg44399473

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4597341.msg41493797#msg41493797

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3955810.msg37709315#msg37709315

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3765354.msg37106943#msg37106943

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2848987.msg29228128#msg29228128

So now we notice another imbecile roll up to ignore the loyceV only multiple requests and try to TAKE THE PISS out of loyceV by making him appear unable to generate any original content of his own and totally lacking in creativity. Perhaps it really is low level AI we are dealing with. Something that is capable only of taking other peoples ideas and concepts and then pulling raw data based upon those ideas? like an ask jeeves kind of feature for this board.  Or finding related posts or guides or compilations of both when you request it. You could not ask it what are the possible implications of the merit and trust system because it would not know. You could ask it to create a guide on how the DT selection process functions because it could locate the set of rules that someone else created and it could present those to you.

It seems able to contain other persons ideas and out put them nicely and orderly,  but can not create it's own ideas to any level that would be interesting. This was demonstrated by cryptohunter when debating with it in the initial merit cycling threads where it just output obvious nonsense when asked something it could not locate a previous answer that someone else had generated. After which it withdrew from debating with cryptohunter for good and hid behind ignore and the "trolling" false accusation.

So we say bring YOUR BEST ORIGINAL THOUGHT PROVOKING POSTS. We stopped reading at number 4 because it is obviously an attempt to discredit loyce.

1. Was inspired by cryptohunter himself (like many of loyces later merit stats cycling "analysis" )LOL  - so much for original thought inspiring posts.

2.  Block PM's from newbies so people can not PM to scam them? fair enough but has been mentioned many times before, not exactly requiring huge creativity or thought.

3. "It's been suggested before, and khaled0111 suggested it again today: a possibility for users to report good unmerited posts to Merit Sources"  = errr more garbage about meaningless merit, suggested before multiple times BY OTHERS

4. " my  Mycelium  seems broken "   lol sorry to hear that rovobac.


If anyone other than loyceV posts on this thread from now on we will delete it. We don't know how loyceV has pissed off streamtime but we will not have others make fun of Loyce like this on our thread. We will await robovacs OWN presentation of his original thought inspiring posts and achievements. For an Absolute Imbecile, original thought and creativity/imagination are important and something to be proud of. No more piss taking.




Your OWN original thought inspiring posts that did or could have really made a difference.

[marcotheminer]

Perhaps a better way to have a debate would be a self moderated thread in which you are discussing a subject with one person and posts from anyone else is deleted. Although one could argue a PM conversation would be more appropriate— maybe not though because a PM conversation wouldn’t be public.

Taking this a step further... Perhaps what is really needed is a self-moderated thread that is actually created by a 3rd (hopefully independent) party. That way, neither party could accuse the other of censorship. So the rules would be something like:
- Only Person X and Person Y are allowed to post
- All posts by anyone else will be deleted
- No posts by either Person X or Person Y will be deleted

The obvious flaw in this extremely cunning plan... is finding a neutral referee to create and moderate the thread appropriately.

Thread-moderator-escrows, it's a good idea..

[actmyname]

Why in the world would debate threads even pop into your mind when they can simply be resolved in PM's?