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May 14, 2019, 06:57:49 PM
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Plagiarism is undoubtedly both very wrong, and a major problem within the forum, but I don't see the benefit of removing someone who only did damage (plagiarized) years ago, especially if they are now otherwise being a member who is contributing to the forum.
There's a flaw in this ideology.

Let me simplify the structure of my thoughts into four alternative timelines for a given plagiarist.

P:= plagiarizing user
S:= plagiarized post.

1) P posts S. No one catches onto P. P, over a long time, contributes much to the forum. S is discovered years later. P is let go scot-free.
2) P posts S. No one catches onto P. P is an average user and much time passes. S is discovered years later. P is permanently banned.
3) P posts S. No one catches onto P. P is trying to contribute to the forum: they add some contribution. S is discovered weeks later. P is permanently banned.
4) P posts S. No one catches onto P. P is not trying to contribute to the forum. S is discovered weeks later. P is permanently banned.

The difference between 1 and 3 is the time between the discovery of S and the time it was posted. One user is pardoned because of their contributions. Another is not because they did not fulfill the baseline requirements of minimum contribution.

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Retort: "They should have contributed right away!"

If both users 1 and 3 had the same localized post quality and contributory status, the situation would play our similarly. (after all, if you're copy-pasting, it's unlikely your post quality suddenly spikes)
I am not arguing for anyone who has plagiarized to get off scott free, I am saying they shouldn’t be banned forever.

There is a reason why most jurisdictions has statute of limitations laws, and I think there should similarly be limits for forum punishments, especially permanent bans.

If the plagiarism is only a week or a month old, any subsequent contributions are not going to be relevant. If a year or two has gone by, and in that time, the person has not caused harm, he has shown himself to be someone who will not cause additional harm if he is allowed to continue participating. The person who plagiarized a month ago has not shown this.

Also the administration should have caught the person sooner for the one plagiarized two years ago. Someone could have a legitimate defense to what they did, but might have lost the evidence or forgotten the circumstances under which they made a few posts years ago. I think the number of people with legitimate defenses are few and far between, however *everyone* has the right to get to try to defend themselves.

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May 15, 2019, 09:58:26 AM
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Good day to all. Thank you all for your support.
I want to ask you to review my account again for an appeal. I would like to say that I will continue my work to find scammers on the forum. Summer is ahead, besides the market is growing well now. In this regard, the influx of new scammers who will create a fake ICO or other fraudulent projects will undoubtedly increase. I want to help the forum by making it cleaner, and also to warn all our members of the forum about the danger of joining fraudulent projects.




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I changed the ban to 60 days and a signature ban of a year.

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May 15, 2019, 11:13:36 AM
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I changed the ban to 60 days and a signature ban of a year.
Congratulations, lovesmayfamilis!
I would like to ask you a favor to open the topic for a while till my curious question answered by hilariousandco or admins.

By the way, because you are here, please clarify this point for us, hilariousandco:
I only recommended that it should be better for lovesmayfamilis if you support her in her Ban Appeal thread, not here. Maybe you are a member from community simply wanted to support her, but what happen if there are 10 users create 10 threads to support here case? Will it result in Ban Evasion (I guess it is)?
Even if she is a prominent user of the forum, and 10 Ban Appeals from community to help her don't leat to a judgement as Ban Appeal, I believe we might see another kind of complaint, such as: "Why that user has 10 Ban Appeal threads and are not judged as Ban Evasion?" Do we need such kind of complaints?
I could be wrong but I mentioned about it in my guide: Ban appeal - How to make it right and reduce workload for forum staffs
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  • Create only one account, with good title, and present as detailed information of your ban (in the OP) as possible.
  • Don't hide anything because you need help. So, if you actually remembered you did something wrong, please post link to bad posts that likely caused your ban (in your perspective). It will save a lot of time of forum staffs, and members.
  • Only do all your appeal efforts with one account, and in only one topic. Open multi topics or using multi accounts to do this will result in ban evasion.
I could misunderstood theymos' opinion there, but I believe he mentioned about banned users, not others. It will be good if theymos leave a confirmation about this point, not only for the thread, but also for later ones.
If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.
If my thought is wrong, I am fine to correct it after getting your clarification. If my though is right, I will add a little bit details to my guide.

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May 15, 2019, 11:56:20 AM
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I changed the ban to 60 days and a signature ban of a year.


Thank you very much. I am also very grateful to everyone who supported me. I will surely survive this moment and continue the fight with the hated scams.
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May 15, 2019, 01:13:28 PM
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I changed the ban to 60 days and a signature ban of a year.


Thank you very much. I am also very grateful to everyone who supported me. I will surely survive this moment and continue the fight with the hated scams.


Congrats, but wait you should first understand what you have done wrong before focusing onto something else ( I am not so sure how does that happened but that was an obvious act of plagiarism.

Focusing on the scamming issues won't be a good reason to forget the other forum's mortal sin, Goodluck to your next journey and continue to grow as a good individual
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May 15, 2019, 03:09:07 PM
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I changed the ban to 60 days and a signature ban of a year.
Thanks for right decision, and its much appreciated. Temp ban and signature ban is appropriate. I believe she would continue her contribution for forum. This is the lesson for other peoples also that no one will excuse for breaking forum rules even DT or good contributors. However I think lovesmayfamilis already got lesson and she will avoid such as activity on future. 

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May 15, 2019, 03:12:54 PM
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I changed the ban to 60 days and a signature ban of a year.


Thank you very much. I am also very grateful to everyone who supported me. I will surely survive this moment and continue the fight with the hated scams.


Great news! Looking forward to seeing you back here again soon lovesmayfamilis.

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May 15, 2019, 04:55:28 PM
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I'm really glad to see this as well. This is a good member, she will continue to do well once returns. Smiley

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October 18, 2019, 01:55:23 AM
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Hi all! there were additional cases of plagiarism in account lovesmyfamilis, maybe even a few.. So, will the pardon remain in force or will lovesmyfamili's case be reviewed? Rus mod argues that the decision to forgive this user will remain unchanged, regardless of the number of detected and previously unknown cases of plagiarism. (it means all additional cases committed before the moment of pardon.)

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October 18, 2019, 02:16:04 AM
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Hi all! there were additional cases of plagiarism in account lovesmyfamilis, maybe even a few.. So, will the pardon remain in force or will lovesmyfamili's case be reviewed? Rus mod argues that the decision to forgive this user will remain unchanged, regardless of the number of detected and previously unknown cases of plagiarism. (it means all additional cases committed before the moment of pardon.)

It wouldn't make sense to ban her again for something she's been pardoned for. Global mod already decided that her value to the forum outweighs the "crime", case closed. Unless something new comes up (a new post-ban case of plagiarism, or perhaps an old case of spreading malware, or something like that) - I don't think she'll get banned.

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October 18, 2019, 02:23:17 AM
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As far as I know, the decision can not change. IMO, admin/mod give forgiving for all the mistake that he ever did.
But if the user breaking the rules after he gets unban-approving, I think admin/mod will permanently ban that user without any chance to appeal.

or perhaps an old case of spreading malware, or something like that
In this case, that user should remove/repairing his old post after his appeal approving.
If he didn't it, he will get permaban without appeal opportunity.




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Hi all! there were additional cases of plagiarism in account lovesmyfamilis, maybe even a few.. So, will the pardon remain in force or will lovesmyfamili's case be reviewed? Rus mod argues that the decision to forgive this user will remain unchanged, regardless of the number of detected and previously unknown cases of plagiarism. (it means all additional cases committed before the moment of pardon.)

It wouldn't make sense to ban her again for something she's been pardoned for. Global mod already decided that her value to the forum outweighs the "crime", case closed. Unless something new comes up (a new post-ban case of plagiarism, or perhaps an old case of spreading malware, or something like that) - I don't think she'll get banned.
if it turned out that pardoned not for the "mistake of youth" but a professional thief, he will still be forgiven? Well, ok..

in the cases discovered, it is evident that the borrowed quotations have been somewhat altered to disguise plagiarism. This is not like naive or inexperienced application of someone else's quotes without reference to the source.

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It wouldn't make sense to ban her again for something she's been pardoned for. Global mod already decided that her value to the forum outweighs the "crime", case closed. Unless something new comes up (a new post-ban case of plagiarism, or perhaps an old case of spreading malware, or something like that) - I don't think she'll get banned.
if it turned out that pardoned not for the "mistake of youth" but a professional thief, he will still be forgiven? Well, ok..

Don't exaggerate. You found one case of plagiarism and you can't even be sure if it hasn't been previously reported. And the post did have a link, which you stripped in your quote. Wrong link but taken from the original article so at best it's just a sloppy reference, far from "a professional thief".

You can PM hilariousandco and ask him directly if you insist.

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It wouldn't make sense to ban her again for something she's been pardoned for. Global mod already decided that her value to the forum outweighs the "crime", case closed. Unless something new comes up (a new post-ban case of plagiarism, or perhaps an old case of spreading malware, or something like that) - I don't think she'll get banned.
if it turned out that pardoned not for the "mistake of youth" but a professional thief, he will still be forgiven? Well, ok..

Don't exaggerate. You found one case of plagiarism and you can't even be sure if it hasn't been previously reported. And the post did have a link, which you stripped in your quote. Wrong link but taken from the original article so at best it's just a sloppy reference, far from "a professional thief".

You can PM hilariousandco and ask him directly if you insist.
another little touch to make it clearer what kind of person he\she is. I'd appreciate it if you could translate this:(in a General sense: money\earn\why can't we have a lot of accounts?, etc.)

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that would be fair, but she changed the text of the article, didn't copy it directly(as inexperienced people do unintentionally). In my opinion, this is an attempt to pass off other people's thoughts for their own.


p.s.I am sure such a person is not worthy to be at least a member of DT and judge others

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Hi all! there were additional cases of plagiarism in account lovesmyfamilis, maybe even a few.. So, will the pardon remain in force or will lovesmyfamili's case be reviewed? Rus mod argues that the decision to forgive this user will remain unchanged, regardless of the number of detected and previously unknown cases of plagiarism. (it means all additional cases committed before the moment of pardon.)

Every case of plagiarism is unique and shall be decided by the moderators on a case-to-case basis. In OP's case, he was a valuable asset to the forum as he continuously looks for fake ICOs in the forum.
I am pretty sure that before he was given pardoned, the moderators have extensively reviewed his case before granting him such forgiveness.

if it turned out that pardoned not for the "mistake of youth" but a professional thief, he will still be forgiven? Well, ok..

in the cases discovered, it is evident that the borrowed quotations have been somewhat altered to disguise plagiarism. This is not like naive or inexperienced application of someone else's quotes without reference to the source.

In your comparison, even convicted criminals are given pardons given that it was rendered by the President. Again, I would not doubt the decision that the moderators have decided as they weighed all the merits before granting him the pardon.

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I do not intend to challenge the decision, but I wanted to make sure that additional old cases of plagiarism will not affect this decision.
Because the President forgave the perpetrator for known crimes, but if the police find other cases in which the perpetrator did not confess, he will be tried again, despite the pardon.


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Thank you very much. I am also very grateful to everyone who supported me. I will surely survive this moment and continue the fight with the hated scams.
it sounds funny from her, given that she was looking for ways to cheat the rules of forum:
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Hi all! there were additional cases of plagiarism in account lovesmyfamilis, maybe even a few.. So, will the pardon remain in force or will lovesmyfamili's case be reviewed? Rus mod argues that the decision to forgive this user will remain unchanged, regardless of the number of detected and previously unknown cases of plagiarism. (it means all additional cases committed before the moment of pardon.)

It wouldn't make sense to ban her again for something she's been pardoned for. Global mod already decided that her value to the forum outweighs the "crime", case closed. Unless something new comes up (a new post-ban case of plagiarism, or perhaps an old case of spreading malware, or something like that) - I don't think she'll get banned.
if it turned out that pardoned not for the "mistake of youth" but a professional thief, he will still be forgiven? Well, ok..

in the cases discovered, it is evident that the borrowed quotations have been somewhat altered to disguise plagiarism. This is not like naive or inexperienced application of someone else's quotes without reference to the source.

They will be taken on a case by case basis. You are free to stake your case as to why you think they should be banned if you wish, but a few cases of plagiarism that we may or may not have already taken into consideration already probably isn't enough to reverse the decision. At least this user is still around despite not being able to have a signature. Many users just disappear once this happens only to return when their signature does.

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