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May 25, 2019, 10:10:42 PM
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The trust ratings/lists are manipulated through coercion.
Which has no impact on whether MJ is trusted by the community in large or not, as is shown by the variety of people that left him positive trust ratings.

If the other keyholders are trustworthy enough to not collude with MJ, then theymos might as well allow there to be only 4 keyholders.
Which increases the chance of problems to arise should certain keyholders be unable to fulfill their duties.

Potential replacements for MJ would include, in no particular order:
Dabs
philipma1957
DannyHamilton
TwinWinNerD
qwk (I am not sure if he has held large amounts of others' money)
smoothie
RHavar

There are drawbacks to a number of the above people, inactivity being one of them.
I can't say that I, or the majority of other community members (probably), would have any issues with any of these users being selected as keyholders along with a few others. One of those others being minerjones, which invalidates the discussion we're having.

As hard as you may try to deny it, minerjones is someone that is trusted at large by the community (bar a few members with questionable histories and motives, such as yourself). As I said, I'm sure that theymos and everyone else involved has done plenty of due diligence before allowing the current keyholders to become such. I'd argue in a much better fashion than you have done yourself.
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May 25, 2019, 10:20:24 PM
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I have only one thing to say.... in words of trust MJ is irreplaceable, I would easily send him an amount of BTC knowing they are safe and to be returned when I ask....

If I think trust then I think MJ.

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May 25, 2019, 10:25:15 PM
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I have only one thing to say.... in words of trust MJ is irreplaceable, I would easily send him an amount of BTC knowing they are safe and to be returned when I ask....

If I think trust then I think MJ.

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May 25, 2019, 10:31:07 PM
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Yeah right is right no more to say, no more to add, just why always try to pick on someone thats doing an awesome job and is most contributing to the place....

Then again every place has there NAYsayers

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May 25, 2019, 10:34:17 PM
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There’s always the potential for anybody theymos chooses to run off with the money. It’s impossible to know people’s circumstances. It doesn’t matter if they bought in 2009-2011 & have millions & millions of USD through bitcoin. A divorce or bad business decisions could lead them to put their hands in the cookie jar, so to speak.

We just have to hope that people police themselves & seemingly very trustworthy people continue to be trustworthy.

I guess I say thank you on behalf of the community to all those who have so far done a great job looking after forum funds & hope that whoever is entrusted in the future does just as good a job as those so far have.

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May 25, 2019, 10:39:36 PM
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Minerjones has a history of being involved in transactions in which money is missing. The fact that he has successfully completed other transactions does not change this fact. Nor does the fact that coercion was done for lists to be setup in specific ways such that his rating shows as being very high. 

This does not even consider the fact that minerjones has advertised (I am not sure why this thread is in the trashcan, I don't think it should be there) for an obvious ponzi

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May 25, 2019, 11:30:01 PM
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I have to commend OgNasty for keeping the BTC safe all these years and proving himself extremely trustworthy.

Regarding this part of the contract:
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[...] signer will in a very public fashion work with the other multisig signers, bitcointalk.org staff, and notable bitcointalk.org users to see to the creation of a US non-profit organization with a mission similar to "In order to increase freedom in the world: Operate bitcointalk.org and/or sites similar to bitcointalk.org, work toward the long-term success of Bitcoin, and work toward more widespread decentralization and applied cryptography."

Is this to be interpreted as a directive the bitcointalk.org domain be given to this organization?

One feature of this forum is there's no order of succession should theymos disappear. The forum's server is controlled by theymos, the forum's funds are controlled by this multisig set up and forum's domain is controlled by me. Should theymos disappear, I really have no idea who to even consider as bitcointalk.org's legitimate leader (even more so if there's widespread disagreement on the topic).

If the treasurers and forum staff are interested, we can collectively sign a contract agreeing on some sort of process to agree on a person to lead the forum should theymos disappear, and pledge to obey and follow that persons instructions in order to avoid splits or multiple organizations/sites claiming to be the real BitcoinTalk. Is that a good idea?
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May 25, 2019, 11:35:57 PM
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...Should theymos disappear, I really have no idea who to even consider as bitcointalk.org's legitimate leader (even more so if there's widespread disagreement on the topic).

Craig Steven Wright will probably send a claim  Cheesy

On a serious note, I would be surprised if Theymos has never anticipated something like this. The later the better but I learned my lesson and can say the life can dramatically change with a few minutes

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May 25, 2019, 11:48:39 PM
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I have to commend OgNasty for keeping the BTC safe all these years and proving himself extremely trustworthy.

Regarding this part of the contract:
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[...] signer will in a very public fashion work with the other multisig signers, bitcointalk.org staff, and notable bitcointalk.org users to see to the creation of a US non-profit organization with a mission similar to "In order to increase freedom in the world: Operate bitcointalk.org and/or sites similar to bitcointalk.org, work toward the long-term success of Bitcoin, and work toward more widespread decentralization and applied cryptography."

Is this to be interpreted as a directive the bitcointalk.org domain be given to this organization?

One feature of this forum is there's no order of succession should theymos disappear. The forum's server is controlled by theymos, the forum's funds are controlled by this multisig set up and forum's domain is controlled by me. Should theymos disappear, I really have no idea who to even consider as bitcointalk.org's legitimate leader (even more so if there's widespread disagreement on the topic).

If the treasurers and forum staff are interested, we can collectively sign a contract agreeing on some sort of process to agree on a person to lead the forum should theymos disappear, and pledge to obey and follow that persons instructions in order to avoid splits or multiple organizations/sites claiming to be the real BitcoinTalk. Is that a good idea?

That might be a good idea.... or even how to handle any escrow passing/disappear

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May 26, 2019, 12:07:11 AM
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One feature of this forum is there's no order of succession should theymos disappear. The forum's server is controlled by theymos, the forum's funds are controlled by this multisig set up and forum's domain is controlled by me. Should theymos disappear, I really have no idea who to even consider as bitcointalk.org's legitimate leader (even more so if there's widespread disagreement on the topic).

If the treasurers and forum staff are interested, we can collectively sign a contract agreeing on some sort of process to agree on a person to lead the forum should theymos disappear, and pledge to obey and follow that persons instructions in order to avoid splits or multiple organizations/sites claiming to be the real BitcoinTalk. Is that a good idea?

It's best to leave it somewhat distributed. It wouldn't be ideal, but it also wouldn't be the end of the world if the forum split into several pieces. And since political processes are ripe for corruption, I prefer to leave these things a bit vague and let all of the involved individuals figure it out to the best of their abilities.

Should I disappear, Cyrus and/or others-I've-established will take over day-to-day operations and decision-making. You and the non-profit organization would act as checks upon them and each other to ensure that the forum doesn't just turn into some business, but would continue to have a "soul".

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May 26, 2019, 12:35:12 AM
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One feature of this forum is there's no order of succession should theymos disappear. The forum's server is controlled by theymos, the forum's funds are controlled by this multisig set up and forum's domain is controlled by me. Should theymos disappear, I really have no idea who to even consider as bitcointalk.org's legitimate leader (even more so if there's widespread disagreement on the topic).

If the treasurers and forum staff are interested, we can collectively sign a contract agreeing on some sort of process to agree on a person to lead the forum should theymos disappear, and pledge to obey and follow that persons instructions in order to avoid splits or multiple organizations/sites claiming to be the real BitcoinTalk. Is that a good idea?

It's best to leave it somewhat distributed. It wouldn't be ideal, but it also wouldn't be the end of the world if the forum split into several pieces. And since political processes are ripe for corruption, I prefer to leave these things a bit vague and let all of the involved individuals figure it out to the best of their abilities.

Should I disappear, Cyrus and/or others-I've-established will take over day-to-day operations and decision-making. You and the non-profit organization would act as checks upon them and each other to ensure that the forum doesn't just turn into some business, but would continue to have a "soul".

It's already a Business with you at the helm getting paid Well. If it was not already a business it would have been shut down already.
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Wow!
Congrats OgNasty, SaltySpitoon, DarkStar_, and minerjones on your prestigious positions. And good job theymos for your choices! They have all been on my inclusions list..
DarkStar_ is going places..

Especially good job to OgNasty for returning the funds!

Thanks. Returning the funds was always the plan. I’m proud to be a treasurer for bitcointalk and congrats to the others chosen for this honor.

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May 26, 2019, 07:02:23 AM
Last edit: May 26, 2019, 07:40:46 AM by TheNewAnon135246
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This does not even consider the fact that minerjones has advertised (I am not sure why this thread is in the trashcan, I don't think it should be there) for an obvious ponzi

OG has escrowed for an obvious ponzi, what is your point?

EDIT: QS, you should really stop applying double standards when it comes to your unfounded accusations.

I would like to add I think that OG has done a good job as a forum escrow and I believe that he will continue to do so.


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May 26, 2019, 09:13:39 AM
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Congrats OgNasty, SaltySpitoon, DarkStar_, and minerjones on your prestigious positions.
Individually, I think these are all good choices for the job. Combined, however, especially minerjones doesn't seem to trust most of the other group members:
  • Until less than 20 hours ago, minerjones distrusted theymos (the 20 hours is based on hourly scraping of dtview)
  • DarkStar_ is distrusted by minerjones.
  • OgNasty is distrusted by minerjones.
Is this intentional, to reduce the risk of collusion?



One feature of this forum is there's no order of succession should theymos disappear. The forum's server is controlled by theymos, the forum's funds are controlled by this multisig set up and forum's domain is controlled by me. Should theymos disappear, I really have no idea who to even consider as bitcointalk.org's legitimate leader (even more so if there's widespread disagreement on the topic).

If the treasurers and forum staff are interested, we can collectively sign a contract agreeing on some sort of process to agree on a person to lead the forum should theymos disappear, and pledge to obey and follow that persons instructions in order to avoid splits or multiple organizations/sites claiming to be the real BitcoinTalk. Is that a good idea?
It's best to leave it somewhat distributed. It wouldn't be ideal, but it also wouldn't be the end of the world if the forum split into several pieces. And since political processes are ripe for corruption, I prefer to leave these things a bit vague and let all of the involved individuals figure it out to the best of their abilities.

Should I disappear, Cyrus and/or others-I've-established will take over day-to-day operations and decision-making. You and the non-profit organization would act as checks upon them and each other to ensure that the forum doesn't just turn into some business, but would continue to have a "soul".
What happens to the Bitcointalk.org domain name if Cøbra disappears?

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May 26, 2019, 10:06:05 AM
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What happens to the Bitcointalk.org domain name if Cøbra disappears?

If no highly reputable person is able to re-acquire it, I imagine the forum could continue functioning under a different domain name. It wouldn't be the first time, too.

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May 26, 2019, 11:10:23 AM
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What happens to the Bitcointalk.org domain name if Cøbra disappears?
That would be quite the miracle.

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I guess I am late to react but thank you theymos especially a lot of respects and thanks to OgNasty. We are stronger when we are together and this is another act that we are together building a Bitcoin community.

Good job.

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What happens to the Bitcointalk.org domain name if Cøbra disappears?

I believe that eventually the domain would be auctioned. And everything would continue in the same way, with what really matters: The public ledger.
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May 27, 2019, 10:37:38 PM
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I can assure you the domain will not get auctioned.
If it were left to expire, I expect it would be auctioned by a third party (e.g DropCatch). I don't think what he's saying is out of the realms of possibility.
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May 27, 2019, 10:56:52 PM
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What could be the reasons that Theymos and Cobra may disappear? I read in this thread and in the contract about the word "Disappear (if)"

Dying is a natural thing - what else?


Theymos has control over the server, Cobra has control over the domain if I'm not wrong.
Who else has access to this domain and server in absence of Theymos and Cobra? Shouldn't be there a plan B at least for the natural cause?

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