Let's finally remove Locked and Self Mod topics from the Marketplace

[TECSHARE]

Okay, Do you see both as being necessary? Considering they can be seen to serve a similar purpose or be utilized in similar fashion.  Care to weigh in on if you consider them to be a net positive? Individually and combined.

I'm also curious to hear what people think would benefit the Marketplace most if given the choice of removing one of these features.
For me it is the toggling of a locked thread. Taking this away doesn't make the threads disappear, but it does create more work to keep these scammy threads on or near Page 1.

Yes I think they are both necessary and both are a net positive. Removing either of these features would not stop fraud it would just change the tactics. A fool and his money will always be parted.

[PrimeNumber7]

Locking and unlocking serves a similar purpose as the self moderated topics. Some times threads do not require any commentary from anyone and are intended to be little more than a public notice. I find both are legitimately valuable at times.

If the two features serve the same purpose, why not allow only self moderated threads, and not the locking of an active marketplace thread?

The self moderated thread would provide a warning when many posts from many people have been deleted, and the locked thread will not. Sure scammers will adopt to new methods if one is neutralized, but this does not mean known methods should not be neutralized if it would not harm any one acting legitimately.

[TECSHARE]

Locking and unlocking serves a similar purpose as the self moderated topics. Some times threads do not require any commentary from anyone and are intended to be little more than a public notice. I find both are legitimately valuable at times.

If the two features serve the same purpose, why not allow only self moderated threads, and not the locking of an active marketplace thread?

The self moderated thread would provide a warning when many posts from many people have been deleted, and the locked thread will not. Sure scammers will adopt to new methods if one is neutralized, but this does not mean known methods should not be neutralized if it would not harm any one acting legitimately.

1. Similar /= Same
2. I explained the difference between the two above.
3. You can strip useful features for legitimate users all day and all that will result is less features and the fraud will continue as it always has. Removing features just because you personally do not find them useful is not a solution and will ONLY ultimately result in detriment to the legitimate user base.

[PrimeNumber7]

Locking and unlocking serves a similar purpose as the self moderated topics. Some times threads do not require any commentary from anyone and are intended to be little more than a public notice. I find both are legitimately valuable at times.

If the two features serve the same purpose, why not allow only self moderated threads, and not the locking of an active marketplace thread?

The self moderated thread would provide a warning when many posts from many people have been deleted, and the locked thread will not. Sure scammers will adopt to new methods if one is neutralized, but this does not mean known methods should not be neutralized if it would not harm any one acting legitimately.

1. Similar /= Same
2. I explained the difference between the two above.
3. You can strip useful features for legitimate users all day and all that will result is less features and the fraud will continue as it always has. Removing features just because you personally do not find them useful is not a solution and will ONLY ultimately result in detriment to the legitimate user base.

You should not try to hyper regulate the marketplace, but some regulations can be good if the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks, and they do not unnecessarily restrict freedoms.

The two features are different, but they serve a similar purpose. In reality most using a transnational thread are not going to have the ability to do anything they could not previously do if the ability to have an active locked transaction thread is removed.

Your explanation for the need to keep the ability to have an active locked transaction thread is that no commentary is needed, and the threads purpose is to only serve as a notice to others. A user can achieve the same result via a self moderated thread with a note to not reply to the thread, and deleting any replies they get. Frankly, I have seen very few "public notice" threads, and I cannot recall the last one I have seen.

You should care about the integrity of the marketplace because if it is perceived to lack integrity, any reputation you have earned becomes worthless, and some people who might have traded with you could decide to not trade at all because they observed many other bad experiences.   

[TECSHARE]

Locking and unlocking serves a similar purpose as the self moderated topics. Some times threads do not require any commentary from anyone and are intended to be little more than a public notice. I find both are legitimately valuable at times.

If the two features serve the same purpose, why not allow only self moderated threads, and not the locking of an active marketplace thread?

The self moderated thread would provide a warning when many posts from many people have been deleted, and the locked thread will not. Sure scammers will adopt to new methods if one is neutralized, but this does not mean known methods should not be neutralized if it would not harm any one acting legitimately.

1. Similar /= Same
2. I explained the difference between the two above.
3. You can strip useful features for legitimate users all day and all that will result is less features and the fraud will continue as it always has. Removing features just because you personally do not find them useful is not a solution and will ONLY ultimately result in detriment to the legitimate user base.

You should not try to hyper regulate the marketplace, but some regulations can be good if the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks, and they do not unnecessarily restrict freedoms.

The two features are different, but they serve a similar purpose. In reality most using a transnational thread are not going to have the ability to do anything they could not previously do if the ability to have an active locked transaction thread is removed.

Your explanation for the need to keep the ability to have an active locked transaction thread is that no commentary is needed, and the threads purpose is to only serve as a notice to others. A user can achieve the same result via a self moderated thread with a note to not reply to the thread, and deleting any replies they get. Frankly, I have seen very few "public notice" threads, and I cannot recall the last one I have seen.

You should care about the integrity of the marketplace because if it is perceived to lack integrity, any reputation you have earned becomes worthless, and some people who might have traded with you could decide to not trade at all because they observed many other bad experiences.  

I have been using this forum just about 100 times longer than you have. Do you think I might have some insight here you do not? The result is not the same because it requires constant monitoring and post removal to achieve the same effect, therefore it does not in fact achieve the same result. Just because you don't see it or don't use it doesn't mean other users don't find it useful. Your lofty and ill defined "perceived lack of integrity" is just a creation of your own mind with no observable metric with which to even measure. Again having been trading here for nearly a decade I think I just might have some idea what I am talking about here.

[PrimeNumber7]

How many people would you say have used how many locked threads to only "serve as a notice" to others in the past 6 months?

[TECSHARE]

How many people would you say have used how many locked threads to only "serve as a notice" to others in the past 6 months?

How many times have you been to the hospital in the past 6 months? Fuck I guess we can get rid of hospitals...

Stop trying to pass the cost of dumb shit lazy new users not doing due diligence onto the legitimate user base by stripping useful features. It is lazy, myopic, and will solve nothing.

[PrimeNumber7]

How many people would you say have used how many locked threads to only "serve as a notice" to others in the past 6 months?

How many times have you been to the hospital in the past 6 months? Fuck I guess we can get rid of hospitals...

I would not equate using the ability to keep an active thread locked to a hospital. Even if I was, I have not been to a hospital in the last 6 months, but many other people have. Likewise, I am not asking how many times you have used this feature, I am asking how many times anyone has used this feature in the last 6 months.

If 6 months is too short a timeframe, how many people would you estimate has ever used this feature for your stated purpose?

Stop trying to pass the cost of dumb shit lazy new users not doing due diligence onto the legitimate user base by stripping useful features

I am merely trying to gauge the cost of removing this feature. If there is some "observable metric" that shows the cost would be high, I would gladly admit my idea is not a good one.

[philipma1957]

I think no newbie should be able to lock a marketplace thread.

I don’t mind modded threads. Even by newbies.

This is my opinion on marketplace threads.

Other threads other opinions.