what is the "real" bitcoin, "Satoshi vision",...

[Kakmakr]

The "Real Bitcoin" has become synonymous with the marketing strategy that Roger Ver is pushing to confuse people into believing that Bitcoin Crap is the "real Bitcoin" and nothing else.

Their whole idea from the start was to create confusion with the "new" investors and to get people to buy the wrong coin, thinking that Bitcoin Crap <alias - BCash> was the real Bitcoin <BTC>  

[Slow death]

you have probably heard these terms before, but what is the "real" bitcoin?

when I see words like "What's the real bitcoin." I remember the governments, and the crypto community is always saying that cryptos are good things because they give freedom because of the decentralization. But the same people who talk badly about governments because of the centralization, corruption and dictatorship of governments. are the same people who create centralized Altcoins, create altcoins to just get rich and famous.

The problem with these Hard Forks is not because they want to see a "real bitcoin". but because they want to have control of a currency that is already known and used by many people. We are talking about profit and dictatorship.

If Bitcoin (BTC) was created many years ago by satoshi Nakamoto, why the hell would someone say today that the same bitcoin is no longer true? would be the cause of the code? because of the whitepaper?

Each year we are faced with new technologies and challenges, If by consensus the community improves the code and introduces more technologies, this does not mean that bitcoin is no longer bitcoin.

[Johnzky]

Your question is irrelevant.Every bitcoin user knows that BCH and all the other forked altcoins that are using the name "bitcoin" aren't bitcoins.

While they are just forked bitcoin still they are standing for bitcoins name and that made them bitcoin as well,but the true one is the one who’s in number 1 position now

And even without Satoshi telling us,still all of us know that bitcoin or BTC is the true and legitimate one

[TheUltraElite]

Some people are just claiming some altcoins as Bitcoin so that they could attract investors.

Something that was done since crypto came into existance. Every scammer wants people to believe in them until they pull the plug and leave everyone in the darkness.

Just like Craig, he's claiming to be the real Satoshi to make people believe that he's coin could strike high like Bitcoin.
Their purpose is just to deceive us but we should know that there's only one Bitcoin existing.

He is a person with a 12-year old brain who is using his own name to promote their shitcoin to be the real bitcoin which is actually a copycat of the original one. Whether it is the real satoshi or not is irrelevant here. Even if he was, he would not be able to prove it and neither do we need him to. Satoshi went dark for their own reasons. There is no need for any more drama on that.

[jademaxsuy]

Satoshi never said that 1 CPU = one vote, in fact he predict the mining farms. And overall it's not that important what details of implementation were favored or disfavored by Satoshi - what is important is how close the software to the core ideas of Bitcoin that were presented in whitepaper. No one thought about things like Lightning Network back in 2009, yet here we are, extending Bitcoin to face new challenges.
The fact that Bcash mining is centralized is not its biggest problem - any coin can become like that under some circumstances, what is problematic of bcash is that its model is unsustainable in the long run, big blocks will cause irreparable damage to the network which turns it into inherently centralized protocol.

never did I know that BCH has this kind of mining operation and it seems not really important because the coins being received from the mining is just only a percentage on the transaction being processed besides, the coins also needed for the basic needs of the miners in their daily life which means that the coins will be again recycled in the market from them selling it.

In regards to Satoshi Vision with bitcoin it is very commonly known that bitcoin is design to decentralized transactions to avoid third party issues and with the blockchain technology things could be done anonymously to which it can protect one identity in doing volume of transactions with bitcoins. However, many are abusing it also and this is the problem with other users to which exchanges now implementing KYC.

[niisarearning]

You guys are fighting like dogs. Satoshi Nakamoto only wanted to make a decentralized cryptocurrency which can solve all the problems with payment networks. Of course, there are other payment methods to like PayPal or Skrill. And many more others but Satoshi's Bitcoin was unique because he implemented and also invented the blockchain technology with it.

I couldn't agree more Satoshi Nakamoto create it for us to have a decentralized currency a currency that couldn't be controlled by the government,
Satoshi made it for us to feel the financial freedom,
And we all know that Bitcoin is only one and there is nothing more but an alt-coins.

Satoshi's vision is to get financial freedom by creating decentrelised currency with every transaction transparent . Even current corrupt government banning bitcoin where their actual fiat currency doesnt have any transparency or Supply limit or Duplicate Fiat currency is major threat . Satoshi want to solve all these issue had with traditional fiat currencies.

[CBANX3]

The mysterious Satoshi Nakamoto discovers the Bitcoin and disappears for the undefined time, but he has given his vision through the Bitcoin and framed it into the feature list of Bitcoin.

[CARrency]

I don't understand. Do you mean that the "Bitcoin" that we are using right now is not the real "Bitcoin"? I guess that will obviously happen since Satoshi Nakamoto left, and its been so long without him and that will obviously make his plans out of work. As far as I know, that is the objective of BCH where they are aiming to make the goal or vision of Satoshi though most of the investors look at that fork as a money maker, free money to be given and BCH is said to be an altcoin. I don't know the truth here but since it is a fork of bitcoin that we are using now, that means it is an altcoin, right?

[maianh09]

For block blocks, you cannot change any transactions that have made when 8 confirmed. You can change the entire transaction if all previous blocks have been changed, so this is not possible. You cannot control space in Bitcoin's blade network so it will not be possible to change any of the previous blocks.

[bhabygrim]

I think most of us missed the point of this creation Bitcoin is made for freedom for peer to peer payment,
But most of us are taking it as an investment we don't want to use it as a payment method ,
We only see it as an investment to get an easier life to gain some profit most of us see's it as a way to get rich .

[Red-Apple]

As far as I know, that is the objective of BCH where they are aiming to make the goal or vision of Satoshi

i think you need to read OP again. you are either so out of the loop or misunderstood my entire post.
the fact that they forked without consensus and only with a tiny hashrate shows they are not aiming for "Satoshi vision" at all. and the recent roll back attack proved once again that this altcoin is centralized and from that moment is no longer immutable either.

[snowblack]

Now, Satoshi is disappear. But if he still develop, I think he will change something like other Cryptocurrency do.
Attact 51% can't do if you change from POW to POW or DPOS or newer version.
Or "Irreversible transactions and immutable blockchain". We can do that if every country also have your computer connect to Network of Bitcoin.

[Ucy]

There are really one of the most important characteristics or principles of bitcoin . If we stick to the principles , I believe it would help protect us against potential takeover. They are what make blockchain unique

[Leh-Meh]

"I'm sure that in 20 years there will either be very large transaction volume or no volume -- Satoshi Nakamoto

[thunderbitz2717]

For the fact that Satoshi didn't tell his name would reflect to thw his vision of decentralization in the blockchain technology. The vision is very clear, to take away those central authorities ruling the world just to have self gain rather than to serve.

[BitcoinFX]

Op Ed: How Many Wrongs Make a Wright? ...
- https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/op-ed-how-many-wrongs-make-wright/

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[TheUltraElite]

For the fact that Satoshi didn't tell his name would reflect to thw his vision of decentralization in the blockchain technology. The vision is very clear, to take away those central authorities ruling the world just to have self gain rather than to serve.

And the problem lies in that the people came in the post-BCH era did not do their due diligence on what is correct and what is false. They probably went to blockchain summits that are organised every year and then came across RogVer as his chaplains who are ready to promote their own shitcoins and FUD the original real bitcoin. The poor venture capitalists being naive fall for it, even though they realized it later on the damage to their money is already done.

Even putting your coins in these shitcoins today is very risky. Such people are ready to dump at every small buy order.

[Red-Apple]

For the fact that Satoshi didn't tell his name would reflect to thw his vision of decentralization in the blockchain technology. The vision is very clear, to take away those central authorities ruling the world just to have self gain rather than to serve.

And the problem lies in that the people came in the post-BCH era did not do their due diligence on what is correct and what is false. They probably went to blockchain summits that are organised every year and then came across RogVer as his chaplains who are ready to promote their own shitcoins and FUD the original real bitcoin. The poor venture capitalists being naive fall for it, even though they realized it later on the damage to their money is already done.

Even putting your coins in these shitcoins today is very risky. Such people are ready to dump at every small buy order.

most of those who put their money in these coins are doing it in hopes of big profit from the pumps they know these centralized altcoins get from time to time and based on the past they keep their hopes up but the problem is that they are not familiar with the altcoin pump and dump market so they end up losing money to their schemes.

but that is not the biggest problem because these people know what they are getting into. the bigger problem is when they fool newcomers into buying the wrong thing thinking they have bought bitcoin only because the site that ended with .com called it "bitcoin"!!!

[Adriano2010]

I think bitcoin will remain the "real" bitcoin, and people should always invest on it and not on bitcoin x or y, anyway they do what they want with their money, but i like that Satoshi create bitcoin and give a good opportunity for people who join crypto. But i think miners will not reverse the chain because if will do so they will lose.

[TheUltraElite]

but that is not the biggest problem because these people know what they are getting into. the bigger problem is when they fool newcomers into buying the wrong thing thinking they have bought bitcoin only because the site that ended with .com called it "bitcoin"!!!

One of the reasons why people ended up calling bitcoin a scam. The copy-cats are made to make money for the conmen behind them not like the community supported real bitcoin.

But those newcomers are mostly fed by koolaid gangs to buy the shitcoins. This has a fault on part of the investor because they are blinding believing everything they are told without going their research. We cant help it much but promote the use of real bitcoin and make others aware of the wrong things that can happen if they put in money into these trashcoins.