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May 25, 2019, 06:36:32 PM
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Lately, a lot of users got banned because of plagiarizing some posts from other members and websites. There's a lot of infographics that have been shared here. I'm thinking if stealing of infographics with or without a source is considered as plagiarism?

It's a thing that only a few people can do and infographics are well made by graphic artist, it's not easy to create a good infographic without a sense of art. We can consider it as a thing or masterpiece of the owner, so we should ask for permission to use it in a topic/content right? Another thing is, it's kinda unfair for those who manually design their thread or creating their own infographics just to share info.

Infographics are very pleasing to the eye and complex information can be optimized to understand it easily through visuals. Creating infographics are the most effective way to introduce contents or information to a viewer. Now, Infographics are tools that might catch the attention of a user and the easiest way to receive a pleasant discussion or maybe bigger than that, you know what it is. I'm just wondering, still need thoughts of the others.

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I'm thinking if stealing of infographics with or without a source is considered as plagiarism?
Without a source - definitely plagiarism. With a source - not plagiarism, but kind of scummy in my opinion.

Simply copy and pasting someone else's work, adding nothing of your own, and slapping a reference link on the bottom, whilst not plagiarism is pretty low behavior my opinion. You see it all the time across the forum; people posting entire news articles, blog posts, medium posts, etc., written by someone else, and not even adding a single sentence of their own thoughts. The same thing could happen with infographics, although it is much less common than the other categories I mentioned. Providing a source means they won't get banned, but I still think it's a pretty scummy thing to do and obviously only for padding post count and/or fishing for merits.

Edit: I accidentally a word

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May 25, 2019, 07:23:22 PM
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Definition of plagiarism in English: The practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.
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May 25, 2019, 07:27:38 PM
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I'm thinking if stealing of infographics with or without a source is considered as plagiarism?
Without a source - definitely plagiarism. With a source - not plagiarism, but kind scummy in my opinion.

Simply copy and pasting someone else's work, adding nothing of your own, and slapping a reference link on the bottom, whilst not plagiarism is pretty low behavior my opinion. You see it all the time across the forum people posting entire news articles, blog posts, medium posts, etc., written by someone else, and not even adding a single sentence of their own thoughts. The same thing could happen with infographics, although it is much less common than the other categories I mentioned. Providing a source means they won't get banned, but I still think it's a pretty scummy thing to do and obviously only for padding post count and/or fishing for merits.

Yeah, but still the forum itself is allowing that method. Many users are already doing it to gain activities, posts, and merits. It's the dumbest way to maintain themselves as good posters and the worse part here is doing it and gain some merits with less effort. That's my point when I've said earlier that this is the easiest way to receive something. A thread should have good content and discussion, I can't call this a thread if those posts aren't created by their own brain cells.

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May 25, 2019, 07:29:25 PM
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Plagiarism.org Go to the site to learn more about plagiarism.

According to Plagiarism.org, the punishment is quoted below. I found the information in this site.

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Most cases of plagiarism are considered misdemeanors, punishable by fines of anywhere between $100 and $50,000 — and up to one year in jail. Plagiarism can also be considered a felony under certain state and federal laws. For example, if a plagiarist copies and earns more than $2,500 from copyrighted material, he or she may face up to $250,000 in fines and up to ten years in jail.

It's a very dangerous thing...

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May 25, 2019, 08:15:37 PM
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There's a lot of infographics that have been shared here. I'm thinking if stealing of infographics with or without a source is considered as plagiarism?
Of course it is also part of plagiarism. Members most of the time get away with it because the no nonsence anti-plagiat bot can't detect this kind of plagiarism and also you can find lots of copies of images floating on the internet so it's sometimes hard to pinpoint the source of the image

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May 25, 2019, 08:48:11 PM
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Lets not complicate things here if we start going after infographic thefts that means we have to go after image (picture) thefts too because most infographic information on the forum are in the form of images. For those infographic that have copyright or watermark (sorry don't know if that was the right word to use) but I means those infographic that have a form of identification of creator, if those type of infographic are edited, removing the creators identify in the process and rebroadcasted as theirs then that can be considered as plagiarism but for those who don't have a form of identity of creator, they can always be rebroadcast since the plagiarism rules on the forum isn't that strict on rebroadcasting of image on the forum. Although if those information were created by member of forum and they were gotten from forum then it's best to qoute the infographic directly from OP or it will be considered plagiarism.

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What do you think about infographics that have watermarks or stamps indicating where it came from or at least the website where you can find it? Does it get a free pass from users who haven't posted their sources or do you still count is a plagiarism as they haven't referenced the material in a proper way? Because most of the infographics I see are marked either by the name of their maker or website like this one.

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May 25, 2019, 11:35:46 PM
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I'm thinking if stealing of infographics with or without a source is considered as plagiarism?
Without a source - definitely plagiarism. With a source - not plagiarism, but kind of scummy in my opinion.

Simply copy and pasting someone else's work, adding nothing of your own, and slapping a reference link on the bottom, whilst not plagiarism is pretty low behavior my opinion. You see it all the time across the forum; people posting entire news articles, blog posts, medium posts, etc., written by someone else, and not even adding a single sentence of their own thoughts. The same thing could happen with infographics, although it is much less common than the other categories I mentioned. Providing a source means they won't get banned, but I still think it's a pretty scummy thing to do and obviously only for padding post count and/or fishing for merits.

Edit: I accidentally a word


If somebody just posted a infographics with a link then you can report it as low quality post. Mods generally trash these threads (from my personal experience.)

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May 25, 2019, 11:47:34 PM
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I'm thinking if stealing of infographics with or without a source is considered as plagiarism?
Without a source - definitely plagiarism. With a source - not plagiarism, but kind of scummy in my opinion.

Simply copy and pasting someone else's work, adding nothing of your own, and slapping a reference link on the bottom, whilst not plagiarism is pretty low behavior my opinion. You see it all the time across the forum; people posting entire news articles, blog posts, medium posts, etc., written by someone else, and not even adding a single sentence of their own thoughts. The same thing could happen with infographics, although it is much less common than the other categories I mentioned. Providing a source means they won't get banned, but I still think it's a pretty scummy thing to do and obviously only for padding post count and/or fishing for merits.

Edit: I accidentally a word

Copy pasting good work (and providing useful LINK) from people that could contribute to a place isn't that bad imo, just know where to post such things and where to avoid, but if I see a good thing on twitter or somewhere, then I rather copy paste + provide a link then turn around the words and make it something of my own...
To find something that could lead to an interesting discussion isn't that bad imo, when I do such things I also only do it where its appreciated...

Sometimes the posted thing could be a question as well, just to know how other respecter members thinking about that matter, so isn't it better to post it like that with a link rather then making it up yourself?

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Copy pasting good work (and providing useful LINK) from people that could contribute to a place isn't that bad imo, just know where to post such things and where to avoid, but if I see a good thing on twitter or somewhere, then I rather copy paste + provide a link then turn around the words and make it something of my own...
To find something that could lead to an interesting discussion isn't that bad imo, when I do such things I also only do it where its appreciated...

Sometimes the posted thing could be a question as well, just to know how other respecter members thinking about that matter, so isn't it better to post it like that with a link rather then making it up yourself?

Copy pasting for a sake of starting a discussion and adding your view is  much different then the just copy paste image and put source link.
If forum allows this then their lot of user that just paste image/text and put source underneath. Mods always delete this post when reported.

Allowing these post will just flood bitcointalk from all kind of information from outside without any discussion happening in this forum.

But you will be always welcome to discuss the news/outside information if you really have to add something in it.

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May 26, 2019, 07:04:26 AM
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Plagiarism.org Go to the site to learn more about plagiarism.
It is comprehensive contents, but is not relevant here. In the forum, we should notice that definitions, rules, and punishments on plagiarism are flexible, or some kind of a bit different from the official definition of plagiarism. theymos, actually has his own approach to treat forum users whom plagiarised. In my opinion, it is the most appropriate to read what theymos's statements on plagiarism in the forum, as well as global moderators or forum staffs on this issue.
So, why not visit my topic, and get them? (Maybe, I missed some of them, and have not fully collected all posts on plagiarism made by admins, global moderators, or staffs; but I think from what I already collected, it is good enough to have overview on plagiarsim in the forum).
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If somebody just posted a infographics with a link then you can report it as low quality post. Mods generally trash these threads (from my personal experience.)
For sure, and I have spent plenty of time reporting people who just spam news articles they didn't write without a single original thought just to farm their account. The posts are deleted, but the user doesn't actually suffer any punishment.

Sometimes the posted thing could be a question as well, just to know how other respecter members thinking about that matter, so isn't it better to post it like that with a link rather then making it up yourself?
Sure, but I think the OP should at least be including a sentence or two, even if it's something simply along the lines of "I read this and found it interesting because of x/y/z. Keen to hear what other people think about it."

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<…>Sure, but I think the OP should at least be including a sentence or two, even if it's something simply along the lines of "I read this and found it interesting because of x/y/z. Keen to hear what other people think about it."
That how I see it too. This week I’ve come across a couple of threads started in the Beginners & Help section that were a verbatim copy/paste with a link to the source at the bottom of the post. On neither of the occasions did the OP come back to the thread to provide any thoughts or comments whatsoever, but they did happily collect the stray merits provided to them.

It’s not plagiarism per se since the source is added, but it is often an intentional merit bait post from people who would never be able to phrase the content in such a way, and one would expect at least a pinch of personal thoughts thrown into the post. Perhaps there are boards/threads where it is part of the tradition with a long standing context to it, but seeing it on Beginners & Help, Bitcoin Discussion, on my local board, and other places seems rather much a lazy merit fishing expedition to me. 

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If somebody just posted a infographics with a link then you can report it as low quality post. Mods generally trash these threads (from my personal experience.)
For sure, and I have spent plenty of time reporting people who just spam news articles they didn't write without a single original thought just to farm their account. The posts are deleted, but the user doesn't actually suffer any punishment.

in word of thread starting I do understand .....

Sometimes the posted thing could be a question as well, just to know how other respecter members thinking about that matter, so isn't it better to post it like that with a link rather then making it up yourself?
Sure, but I think the OP should at least be including a sentence or two, even if it's something simply along the lines of "I read this and found it interesting because of x/y/z. Keen to hear what other people think about it."



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Copy pasting for a sake of starting a discussion and adding your view is  much different then the just copy paste image and put source link.
If forum allows this then their lot of user that just paste image/text and put source underneath. Mods always delete this post when reported.

Allowing these post will just flood bitcointalk from all kind of information from outside without any discussion happening in this forum.

But you will be always welcome to discuss the news/outside information if you really have to add something in it.

I agree, our local board is somehow half dead because of this kind of strategy, copy pasting, translating stuff that leaves a little room to a discussion.  This kind of post does not stimulate readers to think and react since the sense of discussion is already killed there.

It’s not plagiarism per se since the source is added.

I think this is subjective (discussing about a starting thread post that copy paste the whole content and just leave a source link), bitcointalk is lenient with regards to plagiarism detection so this kind of action is not considered Plagiarism.  But it is plagiarism outside Bitcointalk.  
But factwise: it is plagiarism.

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All of the following are considered plagiarism:

turning in someone else's work as your own
copying words or ideas from someone else without giving credit
failing to put a quotation in quotation marks
giving incorrect information about the source of a quotation
changing words but copying the sentence structure of a source without giving credit

copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not (see our section on "fair use" rules)
from the source given by one of the reply : https://www.plagiarism.org/article/what-is-plagiarism
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What's next? Banning people for memes? If someone just posts an infographic with no context then it's probably spam and should be removed, but if somebody writes an original post and uses infographics or pictures or memes to back up what they're writing then I don't see an issue with it. Sure, provide sources if you can but this is not something we should be looking to punish if they don't. The entire context matters here as well. Is all they're posting infographics? If so, probably a spammer, but if they're using someone else's image to make a point then I really don't see the big deal here. Again, give credit if you can but this really isn't on the same level as the plagiarism issue we have here.

Would you ban me for this post or is fair use/transformative enough:

It should be the managers doing the casting and evaluating case by case.



That's a funny joke. Do you have any more? Have you had accounts banned personally? You only seem to pop up to complain about sig bans  Roll Eyes. The problem here for a long time has been campaign managers aren't doing their job properly if at all and hence why we have such a huge problem with spam in the first place. If every campaign manager here did an exemplary job then we would have little issue with spam in the first place.



Is that post bannable because I used an image I found on google? Should I spend time trying to track down the original owner to either source it properly or ask for permission to use it? If I had just posted the image then sure, pretty spammy, but not in context and used with the rest of the post to make a point.

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May 26, 2019, 11:49:29 AM
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Things become complicated a bit with infographics. That comes from basic characteristics of infographics, that have two main components: graphics & texts.
- Graphics: It is obviously to judge if two infographics have identical graphic designs. The later published infographics mostly plagiarised ones.
- Texts: this one is more complicated, because the core ideas of infographics is turning already known documents into briefly phrases that will be presented on infographics. By summarizing from original documents, texts on infographics might be identical. However, the point is no one will actually do all texts in their infographics as 100% identical as of works from other people.

Personally, infographics should be considered as plagiarism if:
- Graphics stolen from other ones.
- More than 30 percent of texts presented on infographics are identical as of other infographics.
Sources of original documents from which infographic designers used should be credited to avoid plagiarsim.

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May 26, 2019, 12:43:53 PM
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I'm also absolutely guilty of sharing something über bullish add the WO with a link provided, but I just don't do it else wear.... (sometimes its just important to know where and when as well....)
The WO thread is a world unto it's own with its own special rules, though, and I don't think that's unreasonable. There are no signatures in WO, so no one can be accused of doing it for financial gain.

What's next? Banning people for memes?
No, but there is a difference between using a random picture or meme like in your example, and posting someone else's infographic without a source. Something like this (https://thumbnails-visually.netdna-ssl.com/bitcoin-infographic_5029189c9cbaf_w1500.jpg) contains far more information and took far longer to produce than most of the content which is plagiarized around here. I'd argue trying to pass off something like this as your own is a far greater offense than the usual "Great project can't wait for it to go to the moon" plagiarism, and the latter does result in a ban.

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May 26, 2019, 12:46:37 PM
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Then i’m in the safe zone Roll Eyes

Also I Will never wear any sig campaign myself.... So double clear zone Cheesy

Indeed WO is a world on its own, Maybe why I love the place as well.

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