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December 26, 2019, 06:58:24 PM
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Anyone who thinks the US didn't land on the moon in 1969 doesn't know what he's talking about.
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December 26, 2019, 08:59:17 PM
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Anyone who thinks the US didn't land on the moon in 1969 doesn't know what he's talking about.

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December 26, 2019, 09:28:54 PM
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Is this^^ an actual photograph?     Cool
The artist's name is clear lower left.
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December 26, 2019, 09:47:12 PM
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Is this^^ an actual photograph?     Cool
The artist's name is clear lower left.

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December 26, 2019, 10:48:57 PM
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You're projecting. Just because an achievement is beyond your IQ level doesn't mean it's not possible. That's the problem with many people, they project their capabilities on to others and can't consider that others are just more capable.
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December 27, 2019, 12:59:52 AM
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Is it schilly in here, or is it just me?

We'll call a street light mars! land a man and some cars, we'll grow red potatoes and sell you stars.



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December 27, 2019, 01:10:55 AM
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....Because most people know that it is impossible to land on the moon.

Six American manned craft landed on the moon, a total of twelve men.


and three electric vehicle waiting patiently for the next guy doings some wheel spins
https://i.imgur.com/Ql8bBS7.jpg
Those ran on two 32aHr batteries each. It's rather amusing how small that battery pack would be today. So yeah, bring your battery, hook it up, and that moon buggy should go!

Not sure where you get the info from the 32 aph batteries, this NASA site says 121 Ah
https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo_lrv.html
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Power was provided by two 36-volt silver-zinc potassium hydroxide non-rechargeable batteries with a capacity of 121 amp-hr. (242 Ah)


Unloading one of them
https://i.ibb.co/9rb0tKM/Untitled.jpg

Is this^^ an actual photograph?     Cool

How can anyone claim it was faked when looking at that photograph.
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December 27, 2019, 01:33:38 PM
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For fucks sake, there are even high res videos of the astronauts in the rover on the moon in YOUTUBE. Stop bitching and accept you don't need supercomputers for going to the moon.

Truth is rocket technology hasn't advanced that much since the 1960s. I'd say the biggest change since then has been SpaceX reusing the rockets. That's it, the rest of the advancements have been just gradual: better materials, better simulation tools etc. The US is still using the Russian Soyuz rockets from the 60s, including fucking vacuum tubes, to send Americans to space. Rocket technology from the 60s just works. Even for the new rockets, NASA is studying how they designed the Apollo rockets (Saturn V) from the 60s to copy it.
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December 27, 2019, 02:20:21 PM
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....Because most people know that it is impossible to land on the moon.

Six American manned craft landed on the moon, a total of twelve men.


and three electric vehicle waiting patiently for the next guy doings some wheel spins

Those ran on two 32aHr batteries each. It's rather amusing how small that battery pack would be today. So yeah, bring your battery, hook it up, and that moon buggy should go!

Not sure where you get the info from the 32 aph batteries, this NASA site says 121 Ah
https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo_lrv.html
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Power was provided by two 36-volt silver-zinc potassium hydroxide non-rechargeable batteries with a capacity of 121 amp-hr. (242 Ah)


Unloading one of them


Is this^^ an actual photograph?     Cool
Why NASA provided it is unknown, whats interesting is the illustration of the Buggy unloading. It seems it was attached to the outside and then lowered like a Drawbridge.
The LRV sure has some bizarre design features like 4 wheel steering which is very handy in thigh cornering, but on the lunar surface?
Another is the added complexity to have electric power steering. Power steering is very handy on heavy vehicles but the LRV only weight 210 kg/ 463 pounds and additionally is only a sixth of gravity. On a single use battery using 4 motors just for steering 100 pound heavy vehicle?, odd.


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December 27, 2019, 03:38:28 PM
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....Because most people know that it is impossible to land on the moon.

Six American manned craft landed on the moon, a total of twelve men.


and three electric vehicle waiting patiently for the next guy doings some wheel spins

Those ran on two 32aHr batteries each. It's rather amusing how small that battery pack would be today. So yeah, bring your battery, hook it up, and that moon buggy should go!

Not sure where you get the info from the 32 aph batteries, this NASA site says 121 Ah
https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo_lrv.html
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Power was provided by two 36-volt silver-zinc potassium hydroxide non-rechargeable batteries with a capacity of 121 amp-hr. (242 Ah)


Unloading one of them


Is this^^ an actual photograph?     Cool
Why NASA provided it is unknown, whats interesting is the illustration of the Buggy unloading. It seems it was attached to the outside and then lowered like a Drawbridge.
The LRV sure has some bizarre design features like 4 wheel steering which is very handy in thigh cornering, but on the lunar surface?
Another is the added complexity to have electric power steering. Power steering is very handy on heavy vehicles but the LRV only weight 210 kg/ 463 pounds and additionally is only a sixth of gravity. On a single use battery using 4 motors just for steering 100 pound heavy vehicle?, odd.


IIRC including payload it could go up to about a 1000 lb, or 166 lb under lunar gravity.

Yes attached to outside and collapsed, it took up only 4 cubic feet.

I thought the 4 wheel power steering was overkill, but then once you have an electric motor on each of the four axles...
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December 27, 2019, 03:40:40 PM
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Is it schilly in here, or is it just me?
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Just you.
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December 27, 2019, 03:49:27 PM
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Why NASA provided it is unknown, whats interesting is the illustration of the Buggy unloading. It seems it was attached to the outside and then lowered like a Drawbridge.
The LRV sure has some bizarre design features like 4 wheel steering which is very handy in thigh cornering, but on the lunar surface?
Another is the added complexity to have electric power steering. Power steering is very handy on heavy vehicles but the LRV only weight 210 kg/ 463 pounds and additionally is only a sixth of gravity. On a single use battery using 4 motors just for steering 100 pound heavy vehicle?, odd.

It wasn't a Sunday trip to the mountains, there were many unknown unknowns. In the end many of those design constraints were moot, but what would you expect from the first trip to the Moon? It was mostly guesswork and the other part is that it was funded by the government, do you know what that means? When the Space Shuttle was designed there were also many other ridiculous constraints because the military wanted to be able go to space and steal a satellite and go back home in less than a day. It was never used but it impacted the Space Shuttle design.

People doubting going to the Moon in '69 should stop with the fake conspiracies and should put things into context. It wasn't that there were aliens, it wasn't that it was all fake. It was that the funding came from the military and you add government red tape bureaucracy and politicians bs and you get something ridiculously expensive and with some doubtful design decisions. It wasn't perfect, it was human but it worked alright.

And then funding was cut so we've had to wait more than 50 years till someone gets to do it in an economically sensible way.
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December 27, 2019, 04:45:12 PM
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Why NASA provided it is unknown, whats interesting is the illustration of the Buggy unloading. It seems it was attached to the outside and then lowered like a Drawbridge.
The LRV sure has some bizarre design features like 4 wheel steering which is very handy in thigh cornering, but on the lunar surface?
Another is the added complexity to have electric power steering. Power steering is very handy on heavy vehicles but the LRV only weight 210 kg/ 463 pounds and additionally is only a sixth of gravity. On a single use battery using 4 motors just for steering 100 pound heavy vehicle?, odd.

It wasn't a Sunday trip to the mountains, there were many unknown unknowns. In the end many of those design constraints were moot, but what would you expect from the first trip to the Moon? It was mostly guesswork and the other part is that it was funded by the government, do you know what that means? When the Space Shuttle was designed there were also many other ridiculous constraints because the military wanted to be able go to space and steal a satellite and go back home in less than a day. It was never used but it impacted the Space Shuttle design.

People doubting going to the Moon in '69 should stop with the fake conspiracies and should put things into context. It wasn't that there were aliens, it wasn't that it was all fake. It was that the funding came from the military and you add government red tape bureaucracy and politicians bs and you get something ridiculously expensive and with some doubtful design decisions. It wasn't perfect, it was human but it worked alright.

And then funding was cut so we've had to wait more than 50 years till someone gets to do it in an economically sensible way.

Not only was funding cut, but at the time the public got "bored" of the trips to the moon. People get bored even with such major achievement, the novelty wore off, and money is not going to be spent on something the public is bored of.
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December 27, 2019, 07:47:46 PM
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Why NASA provided it is unknown, whats interesting is the illustration of the Buggy unloading. It seems it was attached to the outside and then lowered like a Drawbridge.
The LRV sure has some bizarre design features like 4 wheel steering which is very handy in thigh cornering, but on the lunar surface?
Another is the added complexity to have electric power steering. Power steering is very handy on heavy vehicles but the LRV only weight 210 kg/ 463 pounds and additionally is only a sixth of gravity. On a single use battery using 4 motors just for steering 100 pound heavy vehicle?, odd.

It wasn't a Sunday trip to the mountains, there were many unknown unknowns. In the end many of those design constraints were moot, but what would you expect from the first trip to the Moon? It was mostly guesswork and the other part is that it was funded by the government, do you know what that means? When the Space Shuttle was designed there were also many other ridiculous constraints because the military wanted to be able go to space and steal a satellite and go back home in less than a day. It was never used but it impacted the Space Shuttle design.

People doubting going to the Moon in '69 should stop with the fake conspiracies and should put things into context. It wasn't that there were aliens, it wasn't that it was all fake. It was that the funding came from the military and you add government red tape bureaucracy and politicians bs and you get something ridiculously expensive and with some doubtful design decisions. It wasn't perfect, it was human but it worked alright.

And then funding was cut so we've had to wait more than 50 years till someone gets to do it in an economically sensible way.

Thats the whole point 4 wheel steering is expensive, complex and higher chance of failure as a straight rear axel. Budget is key word.
Power steering on a mission critical mission on something weighting 100 - 166 lb is strange. Much cheaper more relay-able options available.
Another strange engineering choice is the use of high rpm low torque motor driving low speed on uneven terrain.

6 Motors totaling almost 1KW (932.12 Watts)
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Each wheel had its own electric drive, a DC series wound 0.25 hp motor capable of 10,000 rpm, attached to the wheel via an 80:1 harmonic drive, and a mechanical brake unit. Maneuvering capability was provided through the use of front and rear steering motors. Each series wound DC steering motor was capable of 0.1 hp

There was already some knowledge as LRV was used on Apollo 15,16,17
Apollo 11, Launched 16 July 1969, Landed on Moon 20 July 1969, Sea of Tranquility, Returned to Earth 24 July 1969
Apollo 12, Launched 14 November 1969, Landed on Moon 19 November 1969, Ocean of Storms, Returned to Earth 24 November 1969
Apollo 13, Launched 11 April 1970, Lunar Flyby and Return, Malfunction forced cancellation of lunar landing, Returned to Earth 17 April 1970
Apollo 14, Launched 31 January 1971, Landed on Moon 5 February 1971, Fra Mauro, Returned to Earth 9 February 1971
Apollo 15, Launched 26 July 1971, Landed on Moon 30 July 1971, Hadley Rille, Returned to Earth 7 August 1971
Apollo 16, Launched 16 April 1972, Landed on Moon 20 April 1972, Descartes, Returned to Earth 27 April 1972
Apollo 17, Launched 07 December 1972, Landed on Moon 11 December 1972, Taurus-Littrow, Returned to Earth 19 December 1972

Would a medal engineering company not be a better choice to provide steel mesh tires as Goodyear, a Rubber Company?
(81.8 cm diameter, 23 cm wide tire)



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December 27, 2019, 08:25:23 PM
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Thats the whole point 4 wheel steering is expensive, complex and higher chance of failure as a straight rear axel. Budget is key word.

Budget is definitely not a keyword when you're talking about the government. The US military pays $1432 pero clutch disc when it's worth $32. Why do you think budget was cut at all? Budget is not an issue for these people and they run free until they are stopped.

Honestly I'm glad they run free for some years, that got them to the Moon, but don't try to fake it and pretend as though the US military is a financially responsible organization. Hell, when they run out of money they import cocaine from Colombia or heroin from Afghanistan and sell it in the US. And here you're saying "budget is key word".
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December 27, 2019, 08:39:18 PM
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Thats the whole point 4 wheel steering is expensive, complex and higher chance of failure as a straight rear axel. Budget is key word.

Budget is definitely not a keyword when you're talking about the government...

Honestly I'm glad they run free for some years, that got them to the Moon...

For things like this the budget would be a weight budget, not a dollar budget. Weight had to be minimized everywhere possible.

This results in some odd realities.

For example, custom fabricated item from titanium (fantastically expensive) turns out to be cheaper than off the shelf similar item from aluminum or steel. Reason is launch costs, which may be $50,000 USD per pound.
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December 27, 2019, 10:15:50 PM
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"...Would a medal engineering company not be a better choice to provide steel mesh tires as Goodyear, a Rubber Company?..."
IIRC tires have steel belts.



Interesting symbology the lizard 'n chief wears on their head, NASA is a heretical propaganda agency that can't get past God's firmament.

Our Sun and Moon are engineered electrical lights, they're holographically projected discs of sonoluminescent electrical plasma. The firmament is a gold colour nickel-iron steel concave mirror with a glass-like reflective oxide layer. The plasma image of the Moon in a liquid crystal upper atmospheric layer is reflected off of the firmament creating a projected hologram.

The Moon is then loomed or hung in the sky by suspended water droplets, it was created to rule the night.
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December 27, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
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^^^ Such symbolism of outer space and the globular planets and stars that God created.

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December 27, 2019, 11:11:11 PM
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^^^ The Moon is evenly lit like an illumined disc would be, you believe in fairy tale balls. You're Cinderella on an animated cartoon amusement park ride to hell.
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December 27, 2019, 11:55:51 PM
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"...Would a medal engineering company not be a better choice to provide steel mesh tires as Goodyear, a Rubber Company?..."
IIRC tires have steel belts.
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Steel belted radials were just coming to reality in the years of the various Apollo missions.

^^^ The Moon is evenly lit ....
No it's not. Only at a full moon does this appear to be true.
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