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June 17, 2019, 05:26:51 PM
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So, a new bitcointalk forum account sent me a PM today ...

they claimed to be researcher from a University searching this forum for the first occurrence of the word "cryptocurrency" ...

and apparently that was from myself, in this post ...

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- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86

(I should really pay attention to myself more!)

Does an earlier iteration exist anywhere else ? I honestly don't know.

...

Anyhow, this is also relevant / topical as it seems CSW actually backdated an 'old' blog post of his to included the word "cryptocurrency" ...

- https://coinnounce.com/craig-wright-exposed-by-wikileaks/

- https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1095309111263223808



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I doubt that since Bitcoin isn't the first cryptocurrency, it has surely be mentioned before. Perhaps it was written 'crypto currency' or
'crypto-currency' but pretty sure it already does before. I admit I tried to search quickly with google anything before Feb 2008 but didn't find. Same with Archive.org
But then I remembered a document from NSA. References listed below are surely worth to read since it has a high chance to get the word in.

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1. Stefan Brands, Untraceable Off-Line Cash in Wallets with Observers, Advances in Cryptology CRYPTO '93, Springer-Verlag, pp. 302-318.
2. David Chaum, Achieving Electronic Privacy, Scientific American (August 1992), 96-101.
3. David Chaum, Security without Identification: Transaction Systems to make Big Brother Obsolete, ACM 28 no. 10 (Oct 1985), 1030-1044.
4. David Chaum, Amos Fiat, and Moni Naor, Untraceable Electronic Cash, Advances in Cryptology CRYPTO '88, Springer-Verlag, pp. 319-327.
5. David Chaum and Torben Pedersen, Transferred Cash Grows in Size, Advances in Cryptology - EUROCRYPT '92, Springer-Verlag, pp. 390-407.
6. David Chaum and Torben Pedersen, Wallet Databases with Observers, Advances in Cryptology CRYPTO '92, Springer-Verlag, pp. 89-105.
7. Tony Eng and Tatsuaki Okamoto, Single-Term Divisible Electronic Coins, Advances in Cryptology EUROCRYPT '94, Springer-Verlag, pp. 311-33.
8. Niels Ferguson, Extensions of Single-term Coins, Advances in Cryptology - CRYPTO '93, Springer-Verlag, pp. 292-301.
9. Niels Ferguson, Single Term Off-Line Coins, Advances in Cryptology - EUROCRYPT '93, Springer-Verlag, pp. 318-328.
10. Alfred J. Menezes, Elliptic Curve Public Key Cryptosystems, Kluwer Academic Publishers, Boston, 1993.
11. Tatsuaki Okamoto, An Efficient Divisible Electronic Cash Scheme, Advances in Cryptology - CRYPTO '95, Springer-Verlag, pp. 438-451.
12. Tatsuaki Okamoto and Kazuo Ohta, Universal Electronic Cash, Advances in Cryptology - CRYPTO '91, Springer-Verlag, pp. 324-337.
13. Sebastiaan von Solms and David Naccache, On Blind Signatures and Perfect Crimes, Computers & Security 11 (1992), 581-583.
14. Markus Stadler, Jean-Marc Piveteau, and Jan Camenisch, Fair Blind Signatures, Advances in Cryptology - EUROCRYPT '95, Springer-Verlag, pp. 209-219.

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June 17, 2019, 06:38:46 PM
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Pretty legitimate question to be honest. The first things that come to mind are David Chaum's works on 'electronic cash,' Wei Dai's 'b-money' and Nick Szabo's 'bit gold,' all of which are somewhat related to the cryptocurrency that we know of today. The first time I read something about cryptocurrencies is in 2015 in a Coindesk article relating to Ethereum and the rise of other altcoins, and it's strange since I started this journey on 2013 December and registered in this forum on 1 April 2014.

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June 17, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
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Am pretty sure it was Satoshi himself. There's a passage in Digital Gold by Nathaniel Popper where it's proposed in an exchange with that Finnish fella who helped him out with bitcoin.org at the start. I'll dig around.

Edit - It was an unknown stranger.


'While satoshi never discussed anything person in these emails, he would banter with Martti about little things.

In one email Satoshi pointed to a recent exchange on the Bitcoin email list in which a user referred to Bitcoin as a "cryptocurrency" referring to the cryptographic functions that made it run.

"Maybe it's a word we should use when describing Bitcoin. Do you like it?" Satoshi asked.

"It sounds good," Martti replied. "A peer to peer cryptocurrency could be the slogan."  '

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June 17, 2019, 08:22:57 PM
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This is the thing Bitcoin wasn't called "cryptocurrency" until it was.

Recently I noticed that a wiki page for cryptocurrency did not actually exist. I made a post on bitcointalk that identified this fact and that prior references were only for ecash, b-money, Digicash, eCache, bit gold, digital cash, e-currency, cryptographic electronic money, digital gold money etc., See:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptocurrency

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_currency

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_gold_currency

The earliest citations on the Cryptocurrency wiki do not seem to make any reference to "cryptocurrency" ... currently including ...

- http://blog.koehntopp.de/uploads/chaum_fiat_naor_ecash.pdf - Untraceable Electronic Cash - 2011 ?

- http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt - bmoney - 2011 ?

...

The first Bitcoin Exchange (manual service + 1st exchange rates) was New Liberty Standard (originally at wetpaint) ...

- http://newlibertystandard.wikifoundry.com/
- http://newlibertystandard.wikifoundry.com/page/Exchange+Rate

Makes no reference to cryptocurrency either.

The "complete" Bitcoin history book websites do not list my own (manual exchange service) despite presence on bitcointalk, which I set-up after having conversations with NewLibertyStandard. It ran on a free web host and domain service - which did not matter as it only functioned as a point of contact for manual exchanges. The service was established before BitcoinMarket .com .

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- https://web.archive.org/web/20100429153403/http://www.bitcoinfx.cz.cc/
N.B. I no longer control or have access to any BitcoinFX @ email addresses !

Unfortunately, my website did not mention "Cryptocurrency" either. Only my forum posts.

I closed the service down, honouring all transfers and/or reimbursement's etc., and went back to trading retail forex until 2013. The closure of Liberty Reserve - cost me a lot of money, money I would of moved back into Bitcoin. That was the point of myself spending those interim years trading retail forex. I mostly traded XAG/USD and XAU/USD with good profits - having balances effectively 'confiscated'. Due to other factors and unforeseen personal circumstances, I've been getting back on my feet, so to speak, ever since. I will add that I never used Bitcoin or LR for anything 'illegal' - forex brokers used to accept LR and I also received some advertising revenues etc.,

Verifying my (old) zero balance wallet address for blockchain research etc.,
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4630066
Note: Same Signed Bitcoin address.

Original Bitcoin P2P Banners were 'hosted' on my account ... (Still there!) lol.
Re: Make your "we accept Bitcoin" logo
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45.msg559#msg559

Re: Welcome to the new Bitcoin forum!
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.msg188#msg188

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I'm unsure as to if I also saw the "cryptocurrency" term elsewhere though, before I utilized it myself in my post. Still searching. I did come up with a lot of random things at the time, I know I certainly amused Satoshi with my initial enthusiasm, actions and ramblings. Grin

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June 17, 2019, 09:26:48 PM
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No reference to "cryptocurrency" ...

HOW TO MAKE A MINT: THE CRYPTOGRAPHY OF ANONYMOUS ELECTRONIC CASH
- https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm

Stefan Brands, Untraceable Off-Line Cash in Wallets with Observers, Advances in Cryptology CRYPTO '93, Springer-Verlag, pp. 302-318
- https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F3-540-48329-2_26.pdf

David Chaum, Achieving Electronic Privacy, Scientific American (August 1992), 96-101.
- https://www.chaum.com/publications/ScientificAmerican-AEP.pdf

David Chaum, Security without Identification: Transaction Systems to make Big Brother Obsolete, ACM 28 no. 10 (Oct 1985), 1030-1044.
- https://www.cs.ru.nl/~jhh/pub/secsem/chaum1985bigbrother.pdf

David Chaum, Amos Fiat, and Moni Naor, Untraceable Electronic Cash, Advances in Cryptology CRYPTO '88, Springer-Verlag, pp. 319-327.
- http://blog.koehntopp.de/uploads/chaum_fiat_naor_ecash.pdf

David Chaum and Torben Pedersen, Transferred Cash Grows in Size, Advances in Cryptology - EUROCRYPT '92, Springer-Verlag, pp. 390-407.
- https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F3-540-47555-9_32.pdf

David Chaum and Torben Pedersen, Wallet Databases with Observers, Advances in Cryptology CRYPTO '92, Springer-Verlag, pp. 89-105.
- https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F3-540-48071-4_7.pdf

Tony Eng and Tatsuaki Okamoto, Single-Term Divisible Electronic Coins, Advances in Cryptology EUROCRYPT '94, Springer-Verlag, pp. 311-323.
- https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/BFb0053446 - No reference in Abstract - Undetermined.

Niels Ferguson, Extensions of Single-term Coins, Advances in Cryptology - CRYPTO '93, Springer-Verlag, pp. 292-301.
- https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/3-540-48329-2_25 - No reference in Abstract - Undetermined.

Niels Ferguson, Single Term Off-Line Coins, Advances in Cryptology - EUROCRYPT '93, Springer-Verlag, pp. 318-328.
- https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/3-540-48285-7_28 - No reference in Abstract - Undetermined.

Alfred J. Menezes, Elliptic Curve Public Key Cryptosystems, Kluwer Academic Publishers, Boston, 1993.
- http://www.cs.nthu.edu.tw/~cchen/CS4351/jurisic.pdf

Tatsuaki Okamoto, An Efficient Divisible Electronic Cash Scheme, Advances in Cryptology - CRYPTO '95, Springer-Verlag, pp. 438-451.
- https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F3-540-44750-4_35.pdf

Tatsuaki Okamoto and Kazuo Ohta, Universal Electronic Cash, Advances in Cryptology - CRYPTO '91, Springer-Verlag, pp. 324-337.
- ?? - Undetermined.

Sebastiaan von Solms and David Naccache, On Blind Signatures and Perfect Crimes, Computers & Security 11 (1992), 581-583.
- https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/On-blind-signatures-and-perfect-crimes-Solms-Naccache/67bb82e6981239270d644e60e8f868b4f0752126 - No reference in Abstract - Undetermined.

Markus Stadler, Jean-Marc Piveteau, and Jan Camenisch, Fair Blind Signatures, Advances in Cryptology - EUROCRYPT '95, Springer-Verlag, pp. 209-219.
- https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/3-540-49264-X_17 - No reference in Abstract - Undetermined.

Further ...

Unenumerated: Bit gold
- https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2005/12/bit-gold.html - Note only reference in later comments ??

cryptocurrency - Google Trends
- https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=cryptocurrency

hashcash.org - 2009
- https://web.archive.org/web/20090707030656/http://www.hashcash.org/docs/hashcash.txt

Zooko's Hack Log
- https://web.archive.org/web/20090426214618/http://testgrid.allmydata.org:3567/uri/URI:DIR2-RO:j74uhg25nwdpjpacl6rkat2yhm:kav7ijeft5h7r7rxdp5bgtlt3viv32yabqajkrdykozia5544jqa/wiki.html#%5B%5BDecentralized%20Money%5D%5D

Bitcoin on sourceforge.net

2009

- https://web.archive.org/web/20091129231620/http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/

April 2010

- https://web.archive.org/web/20100414195759/http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/

bitcoin.org

2009 ... nope ...

- https://web.archive.org/web/20090131115053/http://bitcoin.org/
- https://web.archive.org/web/20090303195936/http://bitcoin.org/
- https://web.archive.org/web/20090823095446/http://www.bitcoin.org/

Jan 2010 ...

"Bitcoin P2P Cryptocurrency" <<<<< does pre-date my OP post !!!

- https://web.archive.org/web/20100106082749/http://www.bitcoin.org/

??

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I see it mentioned 2 times in 2 comments made by 2 different persons. Both on 2005 December (the month the blog post was published)
So the term was surely already used but by a minority of people

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I know this is an old post, but if you are still interested in proof-of-work systems and their applicability as a digital currency, you might want to check out http://www.bitcoin.org It's a decentralized, P2P, cryptocurrency based on a proof of work algorithm

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Mssr. Szabo, the entire cryptocurrency 'establishment' owes you an immense debt of gratitude. I do agree with some of the comments (and had arrived at the same opinion independently) that we'd be better off with a POW function that does something more important than just solving a meaningless puzzle. I'm thinking of a domain-specific function such as predicting protein folding (critical in medicine and bio-tech) or for general purpose (e.g. spending cycles on a highly distributed problem, which has its own value). Of course, the two major constraints of POW must be maintained: 1/ confirmation of the solution must be trivial, and 2/ the computational cost for producing the solution must be controllable. Or maybe not - perhaps you get more in return for having provided more value in your POW.

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I see it mentioned 2 times in 2 comments made by 2 different persons. Both on 2005 December (the month the blog post was published)
So the term was surely already used but by a minority of people

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I know this is an old post, but if you are still interested in proof-of-work systems and their applicability as a digital currency, you might want to check out http://www.bitcoin.org It's a decentralized, P2P, cryptocurrency based on a proof of work algorithm

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Mssr. Szabo, the entire cryptocurrency 'establishment' owes you an immense debt of gratitude. I do agree with some of the comments (and had arrived at the same opinion independently) that we'd be better off with a POW function that does something more important than just solving a meaningless puzzle. I'm thinking of a domain-specific function such as predicting protein folding (critical in medicine and bio-tech) or for general purpose (e.g. spending cycles on a highly distributed problem, which has its own value). Of course, the two major constraints of POW must be maintained: 1/ confirmation of the solution must be trivial, and 2/ the computational cost for producing the solution must be controllable. Or maybe not - perhaps you get more in return for having provided more value in your POW.

Time stamps, no dates ...

2005 ...

- https://web.archive.org/web/20060329122942/https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2005/12/bit-gold.html = only 3 comments

2006 ...

- https://web.archive.org/web/20091017171846/http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2005/12/bit-gold.html = much spam !

No snapshot in 2010 ...

Next is in 2011 ... (does include chaord's quote) ...

- https://web.archive.org/web/20110526164344/http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2005/12/bit-gold.html = Inconclusive !

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Am pretty sure it was Satoshi himself. There's a passage in Digital Gold by Nathaniel Popper where it's proposed in an exchange with that Finnish fella who helped him out with bitcoin.org at the start. I'll dig around.

Edit - It was an unknown stranger.


'While satoshi never discussed anything person in these emails, he would banter with Martti about little things.

In one email Satoshi pointed to a recent exchange on the Bitcoin email list in which a user referred to Bitcoin as a "cryptocurrency" referring to the cryptographic functions that made it run.

"Maybe it's a word we should use when describing Bitcoin. Do you like it?" Satoshi asked.

"It sounds good," Martti replied. "A peer to peer cryptocurrency could be the slogan."  '

BitcoinFX - Date Registered: February 01, 2010, 04:59:51 PM

Jan 2010 ... 1st Snapshot Reference for bitcoin.org ...

"Bitcoin P2P Cryptocurrency" <<<<< does pre-date my OP post !!!

- https://web.archive.org/web/20100106082749/http://www.bitcoin.org/

...

@gentlemand  - are you referring to the sourceforge.net "Bitcoin email list", that was also 'dumped' after the gmx 'incident' ?

Think I have those emails / messages somewhere anyway ... I will keep digging tomorrow ...  Wink

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I coined "Investard" (proper noun) Hey, maybe I should trademark it before Cock Sucker Wright steals it, eh?

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Cryptocurrency is a good word, mysterious and technical-sensed  Grin
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It should be digital asset and not cryptocurrency
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I coined "Investard" (proper noun) Hey, maybe I should trademark it before Cock Sucker Wright steals it, eh?

I mean, come on! These people are unbelievable ...


Any decent proof you can provide WHO really altered ? Was that you ?

Who btw wants to discred ppl without proof ?  You ?


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Wrong. CSW posted the edited version of this on his own twitter feed: Dr Craig S Wright (@ProfFaustus) - then seemingly subsequently deleted his entire twitter feed presumably to cover up evidence?

This is not the only example of this.

You seemingly have a real problem with trying to twist hard facts and the truth.

Op Ed: How Many Wrongs Make a Wright? ...
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I don't  think the bitcoin is the first currency.. and also bitcoin is differs from cryptocurrency.. these are not the same..i am not damm sure..
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Why do you need to know? I think it might be a little bit late to register a trademark on the word, because it is public domain now.  Roll Eyes Yes, you might get some brag rights from this, but that is about it.  Roll Eyes

Imagine going through all that trouble and finding out that you were not the first person to use the word. I once thought I was the first person using a specific word, until I saw it mentioned in a very old youtube video. <You feel like a real jackass, when you realize this for the first time>  Sad

I will create a t-shirt with the words, "I created Cryptocurrencies"  Cool

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June 18, 2019, 10:16:01 AM
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Why do you need to know? I think it might be a little bit late to register a trademark on the word, because it is public domain now.  Roll Eyes Yes, you might get some brag rights from this, but that is about it.  Roll Eyes

Imagine going through all that trouble and finding out that you were not the first person to use the word. I once thought I was the first person using a specific word, until I saw it mentioned in a very old youtube video. <You feel like a real jackass, when you realize this for the first time>  Sad

I will create a t-shirt with the words, "I created Cryptocurrencies"  Cool


Clearly most people on this forum do not understand me at all.

I don't like trademarks. I don't like copyright.

I'm not even trying to prove anything about myself here, other than the fact that other people appear to be lying or spreading mis-information or untruths.

As I have said elsewhere. I'm not even looking for Satoshi. I'm looking for not Satoshi. Most folks here don't even seem to care anyway.

You have a great day now! (sincerely).

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June 18, 2019, 10:21:13 AM
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Re: How to be a "Faketoshi", better than any other "Faketoshi" !?!
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148607.msg51508880#msg51508880


Dr Craig Wright & Jimmy Nguyen | Bitcoin and Blockchain | Oxford Union
- https://youtu.be/OqpwuJw7cxY?t=1627

Decide for yourself.

I'm almost done with bitcointalk anyway. I'll take everything I know with me and simply press send sometime in the future, perhaps.

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June 18, 2019, 10:25:54 AM
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Wright is trying to find ways to make it like he has the authority, finding ways to make himself like the first to have created anything related to bitcoin. This I think the community should fight against him that has been terrorizing the market since. If there is one thing that Wright should just stick and be proud of is his BSV and he can always own it, I don't think anyone will discredit that that to him. But he should just named it Wright Vision.

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June 18, 2019, 12:08:50 PM
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Time stamps, no dates ...


Dates are there. In the permalink, you can notice something like  /comment_2005_12/azerty.
The archive snapshot doesn't really prove the opposite. Comments could have been posted on December 2005 but approved/moderated and so displayed after the date of the snapshot (2007 March)
And he did it after cleaning all the SEO spam comments (I checked several snapshot dates).

Also, don't forget to check the Cypherpunks Mailing List archive.

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June 18, 2019, 12:26:47 PM
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I think the "cryptocurrency" comes in use with very deep thinking as the name itself has meaning like Crypto=Secret and Currency=Legal tender/Money which means Secret+Money=Cryptocurrency and the term was coined intelligently.
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