Total corruption in Russian local [DT involved!]

[madnessteat]

I see it is very difficult for you to discuss a large amount of information. Especially for you I will lower the level of discussion.
1.) What can you say about bumping (taking into account proofs and  the opinion of Mao Chao)?
2.) What about alts of Smart man?

I respect MaoChao's opinion, but if he is satisfied with these facts, they are not enough for me. Everyone has their own point of view on the amount of information to complete the evidence base.

The fact that you will try to tie the respected users of the Russian locale into a corruption scheme is a complete nonsense! In fact, there are a lot of DT users and maybe some of them will have enough of your evidence but not me.

I started to notice trolling about me, and I don't talk to trolls.

[1715133879]

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[1715133879]

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[KTChampions]

xtraelv

1.) Perhaps you will see a correlation when you analyze a lot of individual cases (as i do). But you refuse to give a specific answer, even about one user tema.

1) I fail to see the direct correlation between tema and Total corruption in Russian local  involving DTs.

If you have a problem with Tema then open a thread in reputation about it.

1.) I do not see your answer to this point, so I repeat my question:

But when a huge number of abusers send merit to one user it is obvious merit abuse.
And what can you say about tema? He sent merit only to abusers (as I showed in detail). Is this behavior trustworthy?

No answer.

2.) Please, give me a direct link to this answer.

2) Already answered in detail. Read my previous responses.

2.)

Smart man has a lot of alts and with the help of them he deceives customers by making false reviews in his thread. Yes/No?

I showed his alts and their behavior here and here
Any objections or do you agree?

No answer.

3.) Please, give me a direct link to this answer.

3) Already answered in detail. Read my previous responses.

3.) I do not see your answer to this point, so I repeat my question:

In the link you posted he explained himself. He withdrew from the project and even publicly stated that he thought it was a scam.

To me it indicates that he got involved with something he disagreed with, left and was transparent about it. It does not make me think that he is an intentional scammer.

Why you want to believe in words but not in facts?
He collaborated with the project and received money from it. He knew that this project was scam. He was silent about it.
He confessed that he had collaborated with the project and knew that it was a scam only after he received accusations of fraud - only 1 year later from the project started. Fraudsters had a lot of time to deceive people.
Smart man is a scamer. It is facts not just words.

Any objections or do you agree?

No answer.

4.) Please, give me a direct link to this answer.

4) Already answered in detail. Read my previous responses.

4.)

Smart man was hiring in and offering Spam-service. Yes/No?

Same:

When I talk about spam you say there is no evidence. When I talk about bumping, you say that spam is not prohibited (according to Teymos).
Do you seriously think that I will not see this juggling?  

Can you answer without juggling? Did Smart man hire people in the bumping service and did he offer such services?
The value of posts that are written for one purpose - the thread bump will be discussed later.

No answer.

What I have found over time is that there are a number of relatively new users that come to the forum and decide that they are self appointed judge, jury and executioner and like a zealot have a strict and uncompromising view of the world. Everyone else is wrong and they are right.

Oh  

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At the moment I do not understand the arguments of taikuri13 and chimk, who have written about the situation with the Smart man
It is absolutely obvious from the evidence that the Smart man recruited people to provide bumping / shilling services for projects. And there seems to be no doubt that bumping services harm forum users, the reasons have been repeatedly mentioned in this topic.
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MaoChao is not new user, zealot etc.

Do you know MaoChao? What do you say about his opinion?

If you re-read my previous comments you will see my justification. All the extensive answers to your questions have been provided in this thread.

To borrow a famous quote from Satoshi:

If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.

I have provided the information. I cannot help you understand it.

If suddenly you find time and desire to continue the discussion, please come back.

I see it is very difficult for you to discuss a large amount of information. Especially for you I will lower the level of discussion.
1.) What can you say about bumping (taking into account proofs and  the opinion of Mao Chao)?
2.) What about alts of Smart man?

I respect MaoChao's opinion, but if he is satisfied with these facts, they are not enough for me. Everyone has their own point of view on the amount of information to complete the evidence base.

The fact that you will try to tie the respected users of the Russian locale into a corruption scheme is a complete nonsense! In fact, there are a lot of DT users and maybe some of them will have enough of your evidence but not me.

I started to notice trolling about me, and I don't talk to trolls.

So, your first attempt to avoid discussing about specific facts was the answer "I do not know."
Now a new attempt in the form of an answer: "You are a troll."
And why did you completely miss the second point?

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At the moment I do not understand the arguments of taikuri13 and chimk, who have written about the situation with the Smart man
It is absolutely obvious from the evidence that the Smart man recruited people to provide bumping / shilling services for projects. And there seems to be no doubt that bumping services harm forum users, the reasons have been repeatedly mentioned in this topic.
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Hmmm...
Evidence is not enough! (C) madnessteat.

[xtraelv]

Archived for future reference:

(Proof of untruths about DT members by KTChampions)

https://web.archive.org/web/20190623220715/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.0
https://web.archive.org/web/20190623220845/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.20
https://web.archive.org/web/20190623220845/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.40
https://web.archive.org/web/20190623220845/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.60

[KTChampions]

Archived for future reference:

(Proof of untruths about DT members by KTChampions)
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Why are you so slow?
I started this story and I knew how it would end:

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The essence will remain the same - if you do not tag the scamer, then you need to tag those who point the scamer with a finger (and those who cover it)  

And yes, I claim that Ru local is mired in corruption and I do not trust a large number of DT members.

But back to the facts. Another illustration from my start post:


Two users synchronously became Senior members in just 6 days (1/25/2018 - 1/31/2018) with nice scheme of merit abuse.
And ... apparently there is no evidence.

[johhnyUA]

Archived for future reference:

(Proof of untruths about DT members by KTChampions)

It's a troll. There too much such kind of people in russian local board.
As you can see suchmoon stopped to answer 2 or 3 pages before.

[KTChampions]

Archived for future reference:

(Proof of untruths about DT members by KTChampions)

It's a troll. There too much such kind of people in russian local board.
As you can see suchmoon stopped to answer 2 or 3 pages before.

It's just our well known local board troll.
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What an interesting story! I will not even discuss this lie.
I prefer to talk about the facts that are discussed in the subject, so 4 questions for you:

1.) Smart man is involved in a huge circuit of merit abuse. Yes/No?
2.) Smart man has a lot of alts and with the help of them he deceives customers by making false reviews in his thread. Yes/No?
3.) Smart man is involved in the scam project Adab Solutions. Yes/No?
4.) Smart man was hiring in and offering Spam-service. Yes/No?

Why do you avoid discussing the facts?

[chimk]

Archived for future reference:

(Proof of untruths about DT members by KTChampions)

It's a troll. There too much such kind of people in russian local board.
As you can see suchmoon stopped to answer 2 or 3 pages before.

It's just our well known local board troll.
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What an interesting story! I will not even discuss this lie.
I prefer to talk about the facts that are discussed in the subject, so 4 questions for you:

1.) Smart man is involved in a huge circuit of merit abuse. Yes/No?
2.) Smart man has a lot of alts and with the help of them he deceives customers by making false reviews in his thread. Yes/No?
3.) Smart man is involved in the scam project Adab Solutions. Yes/No?
4.) Smart man was hiring in and offering Spam-service. Yes/No?

Why do you avoid discussing the facts?

What can be discussed with a liar who has gone down to slander? Feel free to rebuttal.

And chimik has an alt which is connected with a set of merit abusers.

Polkeins                           4/6/2018 3:49:26 PM   password reset via email
                                         7/9/2018 6:24:31 AM   password changed
                                         8/9/2018 6:55:31 PM   password changed

chimk                                4/16/2018 8:44:51 PM   password reset via email
                                         8/9/2018 9:55:07 PM   password changed

[KTChampions]

chimk

If you think that calling your opponent a liar, a troll, etc. you led the arguments, then you are mistaken.
I prefer to discuss the facts, and you diligently try to avoid it.

Check the facts. Smart man hiring in and offering bump service:

REQUIRED POSTING IN ENGLISH THREADS
1. Contact me if in your accounts at least half of the posts in English.
2. Posts up from 100 signs.
3. Express an opinion about the project, ask questions. Don't write nonsense.
4. English is not Google translate.
5. You have from 5 accounts.

I will completely do (with the command) the required:
- posting messages to thread on btt.
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Hi guys looking for posters for a project. Write your telegram in pm.

 So what exactly is needed? Posts on btt, thread bumping on btt? Writing articles? PM me.

These are facts. And how does Chimik rate them?

chimk (Hero member, DT-1, merit source)

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I saw that he was hiring in posting service, in good English, with a requirement for the quality of the content (both volume and content). There is no evidence that this is a promotion of scam projects, that the service has been implemented by shitposting-not proven, the existence of the service itself from this post is also in question.
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This is an obvious defense of the scam that harms the forum with spam and meaningless messages written for one purpose - to bump the project thread.
Chimik defend Smart man and his spam on forum. It is facts.

Chimik, your behavior is not trustworthy obvious, but additionally answer these questions:

1.) Smart man is involved in a huge circuit of merit abuse. Yes/No?
2.) Smart man has a lot of alts and with the help of them he deceives customers by making false reviews in his thread. Yes/No?
3.) Smart man is involved in the scam project Adab Solutions. Yes/No?

Question number 4 is missing as above, I have already shown a chimiks lie on this issue.

Smart man gave explanations
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51411806#msg51411806
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51412195#msg51412195
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51412275#msg51412275

 I read a lot of forum, sometimes it leads to a comparison of suspicious facts, it takes a lot of time. I first responded on June 10, 2019. I studied this case, read the Smart man's answer, read the opinions of other participants in the discussion, and did not see evidence that the Smart man is detrimental to users or the forum. I have stated my position several times. There is not enough evidence of fraud to negatively assess the trust of this user.

It's funny that chimik believes the words of a scamer, not facts.
And it is very interesting that in the first report, Smart man tells how he collaborated with the scammers Adab, but chimik does not see any problems! Although Smart man writes that they are scamers, he did not warn anyone about this.

 I read a lot of forum, sometimes it leads to a comparison of suspicious facts, it takes a lot of time.
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Other cases involving Smart man, I have not studied.

Are you stupid or blind? I showed in the first post how easily and quickly find  facts that shows that Smart man is a scamer.
You are protecting a fraudster but are not able to verify his profile by yourself? I doubt, most likely you know all but continue to protect him.

Still waiting for your answers.

[jademaxsuy]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban

I am not surprise that dbshck is one of the top sender of merits this because he/she is a merit source and does only do his/her job actively sending merits. The user usually handed 4 merits on every posts that he/she merited. I cannot see reason that this user must be accountable in any problems in that local board.

Anyway, whatever problem the local board has let it solve by them at their level and no need to reach out the forum admins as much as possible. There are local boards moderators and for sure those users should be PM first and should have respected the chain. It is not a good idea to directly go over admins or global forum moderators without asking first the local boards moderators. This is how it should be done and posting here would less likely to be appreciated by theymos.

[KTChampions]

Anyway, whatever problem the local board has let it solve by them at their level and no need to reach out the forum admins as much as possible. There are local boards moderators and for sure those users should be PM first and should have respected the chain. It is not a good idea to directly go over admins or global forum moderators without asking first the local boards moderators. This is how it should be done and posting here would less likely to be appreciated by theymos.

The information that served as the beginning of my investigation was published on february 04, 2019. Everyone in local ignored this information. There was no action or comment.
When additional evidence was published (on June 08, 2019), some DT members (taikuri13, chimk, Alex_Sr) began to aggressively protect the scamer.
And as you can see from the first post, I found a lot of scamers and additional evidence, but none of the listed DT members are interested in it, they only continue to protect the scamer.
I think this is an important issue for the entire forum and should be resolved at a high level.

[xtraelv]

Anyway, whatever problem the local board has let it solve by them at their level and no need to reach out the forum admins as much as possible. There are local boards moderators and for sure those users should be PM first and should have respected the chain. It is not a good idea to directly go over admins or global forum moderators without asking first the local boards moderators. This is how it should be done and posting here would less likely to be appreciated by theymos.

The information that served as the beginning of my investigation was published on february 04, 2019. Everyone in local ignored this information. There was no action or comment.
When additional evidence was published (on June 08, 2019), some DT members (taikuri13, chimk, Alex_Sr) began to aggressively protect the scamer.
And as you can see from the first post, I found a lot of scamers and additional evidence, but none of the listed DT members are interested in it, they only continue to protect the scamer.
I think this is an important issue for the entire forum and should be resolved at a high level.

The evidence you provide is weak. Evidence shouldn't be like extracting teeth in order to get each piece. It should be clearly presented at the start of the thread and have a logical flow which it lacks.

It should also be in line with the guidance of Theymos and break the forum rules.

Because you personally attack the DTs that have responded to you - they react less than favorable to you. You have failed to provide solid evidence against respected members of this forum. In your thread you allege that there is "total corruption involving DTs"

That is not "defending a scammer". It is a reaction to you acting like an asshole.

[KTChampions]

The evidence you provide is weak.

This is your personal opinion. Some people have a different opinion:

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At the moment I do not understand the arguments of taikuri13 and chimk, who have written about the situation with the Smart man
It is absolutely obvious from the evidence that the Smart man recruited people to provide bumping / shilling services for projects. And there seems to be no doubt that bumping services harm forum users, the reasons have been repeatedly mentioned in this topic.
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That is not "defending a scammer". It is a reaction to you acting like an asshole.

They diligently avoid discussing the facts ... all because I am bad?
I don't care what they call me (troll, liar, etc.), but I would like to hear their statements on specific issues.

[xtraelv]

They diligently avoid discussing the facts ... all because I am bad?
I don't care what they call me (troll, liar, etc.), but I would like to hear their statements on specific issues.

It gets to a stage where it becomes apparent that no matter how much it is explained to you that you do not appear to read or undestand the responses. A good example is earlier in the thread where I answer all your questions and then you claim that I havent answered them.. You have done the same thing to others. This is why I archived the thread. Anyone reading this thread can see that you deliberately ignore answers because they do not support your rhetoric.

Yet - I asked you a question earlier in the thread which remains unanswered.

[KTChampions]

xtraelv

Try to look at the situation from my point of view. I also think that I show simple facts and ask simple questions, but they are ignored.
If you want to continue the discussion, you can repeat your questions. But in that case I will repeat my questions.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

On one hand DTs are tagging an low evidence case of 'Thread Bumping' pretty fast here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157841.0 ( 4 red tags in couple of days )

One the other hand, even after posting a lot of proves and solid discussions on the topic mentioned in the OP, most of the DTs are protecting this scammer @SmartMan by declining the argument by saying it is not an support from DT but someone disagreeing with you lol

Wow Wow Double standards perfect example..

[KTChampions]

On one hand DTs are tagging an low evidence case of 'Thread Bumping' pretty fast here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157841.0 ( 4 red tags in couple of days )

One the other hand, even after posting a lot of proves and solid discussions on the topic mentioned in the OP, most of the DTs are protecting this scammer @SmartMan by declining the argument by saying it is not an support from DT but someone disagreeing with you lol

Wow Wow Double standards perfect example..

Want to laugh?
Check out this post: I have described in great detail how Smart man is working from his alt accounts.

I did not see evidence, just suspicion. I will study the scheme of  merit overflow. The rest is speculation.

Do you understand the level of discussion?
- Here are the proofs.
- I see nothing, it is suspicion.
- Here are the facts.
- I can not see anything.

 

[chimk]

On one hand DTs are tagging an low evidence case of 'Thread Bumping' pretty fast here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157841.0 ( 4 red tags in couple of days )

One the other hand, even after posting a lot of proves and solid discussions on the topic mentioned in the OP, most of the DTs are protecting this scammer @SmartMan by declining the argument by saying it is not an support from DT but someone disagreeing with you lol

Wow Wow Double standards perfect example..

Want to laugh?
Check out this post: I have described in great detail how Smart man is working from his alt accounts.

I did not see evidence, just suspicion. I will study the scheme of  merit overflow. The rest is speculation.

Do you understand the level of discussion?
- Here are the proofs.
- I see nothing, it is suspicion.
- Here are the facts.
- I can not see anything.

 

You have not correctly translated the Russian word "дoмыcлы".  You translate under tracing paper, losing meaning. The correct translation with preservation of meaning, not speculation, but interpretation.
Do you want to talk about the facts? I checked your charges on this case.

Date of registration.

registration date is the same in numbers for only two people. Matches only in numbers, in time does not match. The other two people do not even match the date. Conclusion, date of registration, is not evidence in this case.
MrBoston 11/13/2017 4:41:17 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MrBoston
Fixxer767 11/13/2017 5:22:55 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Fixxer767

Jeronimo78  11/14/2017 1:41:18 PM
https://bpip.org/search.aspx?q=Jeronimo78
Blanchrc40   11/11/2017 2:09:12 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Blanchrc40

Password change date.

password change time is the same for two users with an interval of 16 minutes. Indirectly may be evidence.
MrBoston 3/25/2018 9:48:00 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MrBoston
Blanchrc40 3/25/2018 9:32:14 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Blanchrc40

Fixxer767 3/25/2018 10:20:35 PM the date of the password change is the same, the time does not match. Indirect weak evidence.
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Fixxer767

Jeronimo78 user date change password does not match. Also, the date of registration does not match. This cannot be evidence.
Jeronimo78 3/18/2018 4:13:10 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Jeronimo78

woke up
Jeronimo78 5/9/2019 8:29:33 AM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Jeronimo78
MrBoston   5/14/2019 9:52:40 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MrBoston
Blanchrc40 5/9/2019 8:34:21 AM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Blanchrc40
Fixxer767 5/12/2019 11:30:10 AM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Fixxer767

Jeronimo78 has a coincidence with one of the above. By registering and changing the password no. Based on this, I would not bind them with confidence


Comments

Comments of these users in the topic Smartman do not contain addresses, logins, other individual data. There are no reviews on cooperation with Smartman However, following only your logic, consider these comments to be interrelated. This is your interpretation, this is prejudice, but not proof.
These comments do not violate the rules.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg43702837#msg43702837
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg43790610#msg43790610
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg44035191#msg44035191
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg26771578#msg26771578
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg34592044#msg34592044
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg36061797#msg36061797
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg47444532#msg47444532
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg47476556#msg47476556

Merit

This supposed farm has no common merit, your multi-level picture is not proof for me. People who get a lot of merit are connected with many people, it may not be what you think, for me this is not proof.

Customer feedback.

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg48106050#msg48106050
There is one review of poorly performed work. In the same topic, the person who left the review offers services of a higher quality, competes. I didn’t see what he was asking for money back, or talking about fraud. But I saw that you corresponded with another user. It mentions the possibility of performing WP.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg21750927#msg21750927
http://archive.md/2sW1R

 I asked you a clarifying question several times, you left the answer.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51603044#msg51603044

I suspect the existence of a second motive for prosecution.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51544427#msg51544427

The most important thing in this case. This is not a reason for changing the trust, for me. If you are confident in the evidence, submit it to the moderators. Jeronimo78 is locked. If your evidence is sufficient, Smartman falls under rule 25. This is a good way to check the quality of your facts, but this is not enough for me. If there is other evidence, you may find a connection. At the moment, you are accusing people of corruption, without evidence. You come to META to make a loud headline, and when they ask you for proof, you say; - "I have compiled a questionnaire for you, answer 4 questions" ... If you have no evidence, you can only assume and then your survey and questions will be relevant if you ask politely.
But you have already left a review Smartman, he has the right to challenge him.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1090672
Reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51607143#msg51607143
This is on your conscience. What questions to me? we have a different understanding of the evidence base


You also slandered me.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51544427#msg51544427

I see an increase in harassment and false accusations, interspersed with insults and pressure. I think this is the work of several people. At first disputes were fought around BTC, now personal attacks began.

[xtraelv]

With patience sufficient evidence is eventually found.

When dealing with reputations care has to be taken.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1090672

But this should have been done on the reputation board.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

With patience sufficient evidence is eventually found.

The evidence was already here, but most of the people were trying to avoid it in the whatever way they can including you. But I am glad you got to know the real culprit of this farming cycle. Smartman was shady enough from the first look to me.

[xtraelv]

With patience sufficient evidence is eventually found.

The evidence was already here, but most of the people were trying to avoid it in the whatever way they can including you. But I am glad you got to know the real culprit of this farming cycle. Smartman was shady enough from the first look to me.

The evidence was not here. Just the accusation along with lots of other unproven accusations.

It is better to let a guilty man walk free than to punish an innocent person.

Blockchain prrof of bounty cheating is strong proof that deception led to financial gain.

http://web.archive.org/web/20190701041340/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795016.1660 MariaHoume
http://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3219355.260 nafantc
http://web.archive.org/web/20190701041730/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3429837.0 DjonMnemonik
http://web.archive.org/web/20190701041845/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3280729.0 nafantc
http://web.archive.org/web/20190701042050/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2670346.0 MelnikBitok
http://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2589870.msg26362627%23msg26362627 cryptosolovey
http://web.archive.org/web/20190701042321/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3746757.0 Allexmdd

I've reviewed Smart man's posts and looked at the evidence.

I see solid evidence linking the accounts: MariaHoume,  nafantc, DjonMnemonik, MelnikBitok, cryptosolovey and Allexmdd

But I fail to understand the direct link between those accounts to smart man.

However I do understand this:









https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Tryto