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July 01, 2019, 03:37:47 AM
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It is better to let a guilty man walk free than to punish an innocent person.

I can understand your way of logic, but it is a bit flawed for this situation.

Here the same guilty man was trying to still innocent peoples rewards by merit trading and account farming. Letting him walk free would punish and let suffer more innocent peoples than one can think of due to his support from some of the reputed members and DTs. This is an overall harm to the cleaner environment of the forum and prone to abuse if you see.

Anyways the blockchain evidence are already a solid proof to come to a conclusion for both you and me and the OP.

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July 01, 2019, 06:00:35 AM
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It is better to let a guilty man walk free than to punish an innocent person.

I can understand your way of logic, but it is a bit flawed for this situation.

Here the same guilty man was trying to still innocent peoples rewards by merit trading and account farming. Letting him walk free would punish and let suffer more innocent peoples than one can think of due to his support from some of the reputed members and DTs. This is an overall harm to the cleaner environment of the forum and prone to abuse if you see.

Anyways the blockchain evidence are already a solid proof to come to a conclusion for both you and me and the OP.

I still fail to see the direct link between Smart Man and the farmed accounts. There are some payments between some of the ETH wallets but that is something to be expected from a bounty manager.

But I do see the direct link between the perma-banned account Tryto and Smart Man.




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July 01, 2019, 06:46:26 AM
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Sufficient evidence appeared yesterday. Now he deserves a change in the trust in case of fraud or blocking in case of evasion of the ban, without evidence I will never draw such conclusions. Until yesterday, it looked like a suspicion.

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July 01, 2019, 06:57:02 AM
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It is better to let a guilty man walk free than to punish an innocent person.

I can understand your way of logic, but it is a bit flawed for this situation.

Here the same guilty man was trying to still innocent peoples rewards by merit trading and account farming. Letting him walk free would punish and let suffer more innocent peoples than one can think of due to his support from some of the reputed members and DTs. This is an overall harm to the cleaner environment of the forum and prone to abuse if you see.

Anyways the blockchain evidence are already a solid proof to come to a conclusion for both you and me and the OP.

I still fail to see the direct link between Smart Man and the farmed accounts. There are some payments between some of the ETH wallets but that is something to be expected from a bounty manager.

But I do see the direct link between the perma-banned account Tryto and Smart Man.





I has nothing to do with this man.

Username: MelnikBitok Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1505498

When I decided to take a bounty, it was also interesting to receive from the airdrop coins.

 MelnikBitok PR topic, fills out forms, customers receive airdrops tokens https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2751963.msg28114513#msg28114513
I gave him my wallet so that the airdrop coins would be poured, he would fight in the drops to his FB and Twitter, he would point out my wallet. Received 20 rubles for a completed form. To him, there were several such topics. You can look at the wallet, really gave different airdrop tokens that ALL cost $1. Well and to whom not laziness, to look registrations in these drops which were made by MelnikBitok. I have nothing to do with his accounts, on the forum I intersect with a huge number of people on various issues.

You found this data yourself on airdrop and attached above screen

 I wrote yesterday in detail about this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51661417#msg51661417

 And today I added https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51667396#msg51667396 By account Tryto answered here

 Please use google translate, thank you.
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July 01, 2019, 07:31:08 AM
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But I do see the direct link between the perma-banned account Tryto and Smart Man.

I see, they have used same telegram user name here and here. This is already enough for them to get banned under ban evasion I guess.

Nothing to argue here btw. It is turning towards a moderation issue too.

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July 01, 2019, 07:40:06 AM
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But I do see the direct link between the perma-banned account Tryto and Smart Man.

I see, they have used same telegram user name here and here. This is already enough for them to get banned under ban evasion I guess.

Nothing to argue here btw. It is turning towards a moderation issue too.

No, not enough. I make a translation of Google, I have no strength, I was sitting for 3 hours, instead of sleeping.

     By Tryto look. Posts in English to anyone it is clear that I did not write. He writes himself ... Not a single drop, not a single bounty. And suddenly
    My data is laid out for the bounty, like I decided to earn. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3113305.msg37338609#msg37338609
    My data is posted in 2 months, after the data from my post from Smart man.
    Moreover, the bounty is completely left, into which I entered as a bounty translator. There were dozens of good ICOs, no, that's exactly where I was, others are not needed,
    neither earlier nor later.

    And now the fanfare!

  We open the translator bounty table, I see myself https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1krkESymhqcKjDGTtnTgyBlnpyZwe0us-X4EF1kK-SqA/edit#gid=0

  We open signature table and the miracle. Where is the tryto Huh https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/155YScVfWJzcsk82CZzJLNebj9OLHqceUeyWGi1cwPQ0/edit#gid=0

  So for no reason at all I decided to earn 1 bounty and earned it so that it is not even in the bounty table? Why is it not there, although in the branch it was added
  with my data? Well? Who will understand?

 Please read the all post in Russian with the help of Google translator. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51667396#msg51667396
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July 01, 2019, 08:34:30 AM
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     By Tryto look. Posts in English to anyone it is clear that I did not write. He writes himself ... Not a single drop, not a single bounty. And suddenly
  

No it is not clear. Tryto writes in English but only a few lines at a time and the grammar shows it is not his primary language.

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     By Tryto look. Posts in English to anyone it is clear that I did not write. He writes himself ... Not a single drop, not a single bounty. And suddenly
  

No it is not clear. Tryto writes in English but only a few lines at a time and the grammar shows it is not his primary language.

 Error google translate. I wanted to say that the posts are ONLY in English.

 I have a lot of work, helped dozens of ICO. There is nothing to do, sit and write meaningless posts in English. Write for what?
To go 1 time to the bounty and not even add to the table?


 Look in the profile how many created large and extremely useful topics in Russian. Chimk did not just give me 60 merit for them.
 And for this Chimk was accused of corruption. I have already painted, not a problem, I will survive. But I will not give the participants of the Russian locale an insult to trolls.

By the way, you were very helpful when you posted the airdrop data in the Russian locale  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51666582#msg51666582 Nobody asked you to look for them.  And you did not know that I explained yesterday that the intersection of my wallet and Username: MelnikBitok Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1505498 goes through airdrop.

 I looked you wrote a lot here, trying to understand whether there is corruption. I give you merit for what you are doing. Maybe I won't need them anymore.  Grin
Very good topic, no one appreciated it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114363
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July 03, 2019, 12:18:20 PM
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I see some information appeared in this thread. In general, everything is clear, but a small addition:

I explain about the fact that shown below. Both wallets are mine . Accounts TRexx and fenyks are mine. ~
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3. Now for a general understanding of what ICO is. I have passed many of them, when prosecutors participate in at least a few, there will be no questions.
  
    All teams need accounts to run ANN and maintain threads. They ask I give. Someone needs a couple, someone 5, each team member sits
 and posting - it is their job. Accounts also often remain from completed ICOs. Passwords can be in a few people.. The same accounts fenyx and TRexx
 gave several times to teams.
And when merit was introduced, then the person who took the account, stupidly led this merit away and was happy as a child,  Grin then I had to
  to return to him from other accounts
, he asked the owners, since he had no merit. Here is a bunch of intersections on merit, and there is no cat in the room.
    There are many such moments, do some work in the ICO, see for yourself.
~
~Sometimes accounts are not returned (there are many reasons). Further, the history of these accounts begins to live their lives.

Smart man is involved in:
1.) Mass account trading.
2.) Merit abuse.
3.) Bumping /shilling.
4.) Offering bumping service.
5.) Plagiarism (many accounts from his farms are banned for plagiarism).
6.) Participation in the obvious scam projects.
7.) Account farming.
etc.

For users speaking on russian as native language the criminal behavior of Smart Man is obvious even with a 5-minute study of his profile.
I thought that I was not Sherlock, but I easily find something that others do not see. Although if you are aggressively defending Smart Man, then you should at least superficially examine his profile.
This is what led me to the idea of ​​corruption on the part of those who, in the local, aggressively defended the obvious scamer.
Anyone can check the history of posts and see how chimik (and some others) defend Smart Man and try to avoid even discussing the facts. Although they could conduct their own research to find out the truth. But instead they attacked me, and chimik even confessed that he had made a deliberately false report on my post trying to ban me. I described the behavior of chimik and his endless protection of the scamer here (it was in the local).
Too much lies for a person who claims objectivity.

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I just recently rarely deeply conduct investigations, there is no time for that. Therefore, when you raised this question for the first time, I did not see a reason to lower the trust. Why do I need to dig deep? Do you think I have little suspicion accumulated all the time? A lot, but I do not have time to check everyone deeply. Evidence appeared only on June 30th. I am not the only person on the forum who is able to evaluate your facts. And you could see that no one was in a hurry to lower the trust. You can continue to impose my opinion on me, but I have my own opinion on the evidence and the use of the trust system.

I did not confess to the unreasonable report, I do not think moderators are fools. In the Russian section, these issues are discussed very actively, KTChampions said that he had not seen individual consideration of issues before. I gave him an example that all questions are individually considered. I made a lot of reports on it, according to the paragraphs of the rules No. 32, No. 1 and 1 report No. 33. There was no reference to the source. The report received the status of "good" and the message was deleted. There was no blocking, it is a clear example of an individual approach, which, as KTChampions argued, is missing. I'm wondering what prevents people from putting the link?  The list of blocked in the Russian section
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4588431.0

Quote from the rules in Russian: -
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8. Plagiarism is prohibited, including in the form of copying, or paraphrasing other people's messages or texts from the Internet. If you post copy-paste, be sure to include a link to the source.
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=994018.0

Yes, an active discussion began in the Russian section. Yesterday another accusation was made https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51681196#msg51681196 just follow the indictment links to see that the torn quotes do not reflect the context. I had to clarify https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51685665#msg51685665
at the same time read what people wrote.

I will analyze for you one accusatory link

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chimk, peшил кoгдa бнб в дeдa пepeвopaчивaть бyдeшь? Дyмaю пoлoвинy зaфикcить чтo ли

The author asked when I plan to transfer BNB to BTC. I answered him that I want to wait for a higher course
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006631.msg50662797#msg50662797
Then I thought, and I suddenly realized that it was impossible to be greedy and we must convert it into BTC right now, the exchange rate was approximately 0.004 sat on April 18, 2019. It was an experience I gained. I thanked the author, who pushed me to this and sent him merits to the beginning of the discussion.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006631.msg50664365#msg50664365
on such facts was built the last accusation. It was called a crap post, with merit assigned.
Messages to which merit is assigned are not low-content. They are part of the discussion and were the "address" for the appropriation of merit in these discussions. But the content is different in quality. I gave an explanation for each message in the Russian section

You can also see the users who are assigned the maximum amount of merit, it will be clear that these are well-deserved and beneficial authors, to whom not only I give merit.
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=chimk
 I used to keep statistics on which sections and for which questions merit was assigned. Coverage is high. I know the benefits of the forum, users with the maximum amount of merit. This I can also explain, it is not difficult. Content is different and technical and ideological. And BTC and altcoins and much more. The quality of the content does not depend on me, I’m not the one who writes. I check for plagiarism. Profiles I study whenever possible.

I received private messages several times and asked "can they give me a merit?". I always answered: - "I do not need merit, send to useful users." I am toxic, people communicate with me carefully, knowing that I am a target for attacks and for them there may be consequences. It seems to me.
Also in the Russian section there is a topic for messages that have no merit. There you can see and appreciate them. I am not the only source, there are a few more. The whole community is a link in the movement of merit within the network. If I did not give them to someone, maybe in this profile there is a reason for this, plagiarism, possible fraud or something else. This is all in the Russian section is now being discussed. But they called me a corrupt source. There is no evidence.

I still do not know in what format to reflect this situation, it raises many questions, but you need to understand. I received a lot of serious accusations, it can not constantly go on. In the near future I will gather all the important information together. Yesterday I again had to write a large text, exposing another lie. See a discussion of these issues.


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chimk, thanks for your work! You have done a lot for the Russian-speaking bitcointalk community.
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I just recently rarely deeply conduct investigations, there is no time for that. Therefore, when you raised this question for the first time, I did not see a reason to lower the trust. Why do I need to dig deep? Do you think I have little suspicion accumulated all the time? A lot, but I do not have time to check everyone deeply.

But you took a lot of time to protect the scamer.

Example: huge post on June 10, 2019, and huge post on June 13, 2019 You defended Smart Man although the evidence was obvious.
MaoChao pointed this out to you:
~It is clear from the evidence that the Smart man recruited people to provide bumping/shilling services for projects. And there seems to be no doubt that bumping services harm forum users, the reasons have been repeatedly mentioned in this thread.. ~
~ What, for example, does selling fake activity differ from selling trust or merit?
Among other things harm, similar services and their employees litter the forum with useless messages. And in the ad, as was correctly noted, it is directly stated that they are dialing alt owners with 5 or more accounts.~
But you ignored these arguments and continued to defend the proven scamer.

One more example: I show in detail how one of the Smart Man farms works.
Your answer:
I did not see the evidence, just suspicion. I will study the merit flow pattern. The rest is speculation.
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and try to attack personally me.
MaoChao saw the evidence and start to tag farm accounts (and reporting for ban) and he pointed out that there is a merit connection of the farm with Smart Man.

You always acted in this way and constantly lied. I made a selection of these cases, all information is open and anyone can check it.

~ Evidence appeared only on June 30th. ~

Another lie. Facts suggest otherwise.

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I did not confess to the unreasonable report, I do not think moderators are fools. In the Russian section, these issues are discussed very actively, KTChampions said that he had not seen individual consideration of issues before. I gave him an example that all questions are individually considered. I made a lot of reports on it, according to the paragraphs of the rules No. 32, No. 1 and 1 report No. 33. There was no reference to the source. The report received the status of "good" and the message was deleted. There was no blocking, it is a clear example of an individual approach, which, as KTChampions argued, is missing. I'm wondering what prevents people from putting the link?  The list of blocked in the Russian section
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4588431.0
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Lie. My words about the lack of an individual approach were about offering bumping service:

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1.) At the moment, all users offering a bumping service have been tagged. No individual approach - the conveyor.
~

Trying to confuse the situation, you confessed to another attack against me and it was extremely immoral. Deliberately false report on my post trying to ban me.

Your tales about how useful the shitposting was for you personally, I do not even see the point of commenting. You distribute not personal merits, but merits that belong to the forum. And I have nothing to add to this:

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

And I still don't see your tag on Smart man for any of these points.
1.) Mass account trading.
2.) Merit abuse.
3.) Bumping /shilling.
4.) Offering bumping service.
5.) Plagiarism (many accounts from his farms are banned for plagiarism).
6.) Participation in the obvious scam projects.
7.) Account farming.

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July 03, 2019, 08:14:12 PM
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And I have nothing to add to this:

How about this - far more relevant to chimk's situation:

If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me. It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical. If you have 150 source merit and you only see 3 merit-worthy posts in a month, then I'd rather you over-give each of them 50 merit than let the merit expire. That way there are more people capable of sending merit, and the "merit economy" is less top-down.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly. It's conceivable that someday you and I will end up disagreeing too much about this stuff and I'll remove your source status, but it's really not a big deal.

The topsendban list is just a first indication of abuse, and many excellent people are on it. Your place on there acts as a sort of benchmark: eg. chandra12 has a similar score there, but whereas you are an extremely active merit-giver with a diverse selection of posts merited (most of which anyone would agree with), chandra12 only has two large merit sends. His behavior in comparison to yours while having a similar topsendban score is what creates a strong abuse impression.

I appreciate the work of you and other sources who take it seriously!

tl;dr: complain to theymos directly or shut up already.

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And I still don't see your tag on Smart man for any of these points.
1.) Mass account trading.
2.) Merit abuse.
3.) Bumping /shilling.
4.) Offering bumping service.
5.) Plagiarism (many accounts from his farms are banned for plagiarism).
6.) Participation in the obvious scam projects.
7.) Account farming.
on charges of KTChampions, Smart Man is associated with the farm and if this is true, there is a blockage evasion. It is necessary to check and act in accordance with paragraph 25 of the rules.

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October 14, 2019, 11:20:44 AM
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It is sad to up this topic again, but unfortunately the need arose.

For starters, a little history that was not reflected here:

Thanks to my efforts, the serial scamer was finaly banned Ban evasion
Some other scamers were found and tagged.
The account that was sold.
TIRUS - Ponzi scheme + few related scam projects
Personal threats, lies, protection of scamer etc. Is it trustworthy?
etc.
Everything was fine except last topic since there were people who supported the scamer and tried to achieve the ban’s cancellation for him. But everything ended well - the ban was not canceled.

Recently, I found a couple of cheaters with high ranks.


CryptInvest              Legendary
Lernerz                    Sr. member
andolini82                Hero member
adolf84                    Sr. member
God.Of.Gambler       Full member
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But this information did not arouse any interest in Ru locale (all cheaters are from there) and not one of the DT members put their tag on them (in ru local there are a lot of DT members now).

A more interesting thing happened when I found some more high-ranking cheaters.


be.open       Hero Member
Sancho18    Sr. Member
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These cheaters turned out to be friends of many DT members from Ru local, so there was an amazing discussion - about how good they are, about which idea to come up with so that it will be possible to forgive them. Moreover, many participants in the discussion at first simply denied the obvious facts with "arguments" as: i do not see/do not understand.
Fortunately, one honest DT was found in the local and she made his mark. It was lovesmayfamilis. After that, she was attacked by the trolls and pressure from the cheaters.
Naturally, I was attacked by some DT members - just like in the situation with the serial scammer from which this topic began. Some DT members are trying to find an excuse to tag/ban me instead of paying attention to scamers whom I point out with real facts.
At the moment, the discussion continues, scamers with numerous support feel great and I won’t be surprised if they soon persuade/force lovesmayfamilis to remove the tag.

Therefore, I have a request: take a look at the scamers and the facts that I cited on them and make your tag. Help Ru local.

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These cheaters turned out to be friends of many DT members from Ru local, so there was an amazing discussion - about how good they are, about which idea to come up with so that it will be possible to forgive them. Moreover, many participants in the discussion at first simply denied the obvious facts with "arguments" as: i do not see/do not understand.
Fortunately, one honest DT was found in the local and she made his mark. It was lovesmayfamilis. After that, she was attacked by the trolls and pressure from the cheaters.
Naturally, I was attacked by some DT members - just like in the situation with the serial scammer from which this topic began. Some DT members are trying to find an excuse to tag/ban me instead of paying attention to scamers whom I point out with real facts.
At the moment, the discussion continues, scamers with numerous support feel great and I won’t be surprised if they soon persuade/force lovesmayfamilis to remove the tag.

I've read the discussion. You're exaggerating. There is a lively discussion going on about be.open's value to the forum and forgiveness, not unlike theymos suggested we should be doing for lesser transgressions. It's starting to look like every time a discussion doesn't go your way you run to the English boards looking for non-Russian speaking DTs to inflame the conflict. There is a precedent for a "friends and family" lenience in similar cases so it's far from a "Ru local" conspiracy as you'd like us to believe.

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KTChampions often exaggerate. Failure to change the trust for an attempt to create a "bumping service", he called the protection of a scammer. . He exaggerates calling Craig Wright the creator of Bitcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148832.msg51273720#msg51273720
 Refusal to admit evidence, the movement of merit, calls the protection of a fraudster. He also “exaggerated” by accusing me of having an alternate account and corruption.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51544427#msg51544427

In the Russian section there is a really active discussion, as part of the discussion we talked about honesty. I said that if an accusation is made, it will be good if people admit their guilt and we will avoid drama. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52738030#msg52738030

Later, I asked KTChampions to honestly answer two questions.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52744046#msg52744046

I recently looked through the account sales thread and found a quote for a nonexistent message, here it is -

Пoкyпaю aккayнты Full Member. Пpeдлoжeния пишитe в личкy
A чeгo caм диaпaзoн нe oзвyчишь цeн?

Taк pынoк мeняeтcя. Aктyaльныe цeны вceгдa нa мoмeнт пoкyпки
http://archive.md/lHD7w

 Bitonly88 wants to buy Full Member accounts, a quoted message from KTChampions, in quote, please state the price range. There is a quote, but no message. I asked KTChampions what does this mean? Look what he said to me,
 and whose name he inserted instead of his own by editing the message.

Either Bitonly88 committed a forgery, compromising KTChampions, or KTChampions, embarrassed to tell the truth, makes a false accusation of forgery. It doesn’t matter that Bitonly88, an account seller, should be interested in the truth. Later, suchmoon clarified, does KTChampions really deny his participation in the discussion of account purchases? Then KTChampions wrote that he did not remember, and maybe it was his way to show fraud in the discussion. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52750455#msg52750455
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52751851#msg52751851

But initially, he said “Ask a question at the address, namely Bitonly88.
You never know what he could write there, for example” and instead of KTChampions, Satoshi Nakamoto inserted. I have a request, if someone can clarify the light on this situation and get a message from the archive, please help.I want to understand whether Bitonly88 made a forgery or KTChampions once again exaggerated.

sorry for the bad english.

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Зaдaвaйтe вoпpoc пo aдpecy, a имeннo Bitonly88.
Maлo ли чтo oн тaм мoг нaпиcaть, нaпpимep:

Пoкyпaю aккayнты Full Member. Пpeдлoжeния пишитe в личкy
A чeгo caм диaпaзoн нe oзвyчишь цeн?

Taк pынoк мeняeтcя. Aктyaльныe цeны вceгдa нa мoмeнт пoкyпки

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October 14, 2019, 11:03:02 PM
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I've read the discussion. You're exaggerating. There is a lively discussion going on about be.open's value to the forum and forgiveness, not unlike theymos suggested we should be doing for lesser transgressions. It's starting to look like every time a discussion doesn't go your way you run to the English boards looking for non-Russian speaking DTs to inflame the conflict. There is a precedent for a "friends and family" lenience in similar cases so it's far from a "Ru local" conspiracy as you'd like us to believe.

The fact that I go to Meta in controversial situations is quite logical. There are many more honest people here and they act more quickly, plus scamers and their defenders are less arrogant than in the local.

Now I will show you an example that does not apply to high-ranking scamers: I found a ponzi scheme and several related projects. I don’t need any merits or any confession, I just need the scamers to be punished. Therefore, I published this information in two (!!!) sections devoted to scams in the Ru local.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4687372.msg51946673#msg51946673
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51946711#msg51946711

Have any actions been taken? Have scammers been tagged? No.
But I got advice to publish this in "Scam Accusations". Ok, i did it: TIRUS - Ponzi scheme + few related scam projects
The scamer was instantly tagged. And even a flag was created so that the fraudster could not deceive anyone.

I returned to the local and said that I had done what I was advised. And...? Maybe you will show me at least one tag from the DT members from the Ru local? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1182356

But this is the simplest case. I believe that such things should be easily solved inside the local, but as you can see they are not solved.

Now another simple example: Several bounty cheaters with high ranks


CryptInvest              Legendary
Lernerz                    Sr. member
andolini82                Hero member
adolf84                    Sr. member
God.Of.Gambler       Full member
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Please show me the work of DT members from Ru local in this case.

KTChampions often exaggerate. Failure to change the trust for an attempt to create a "bumping service", he called the protection of a scammer.
Yes, you defended the scammer. Here are the details, it is not clear why you are avoiding them. Better repent once and admit the mistake.

He exaggerates calling Craig Wright the creator of Bitcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148832.msg51273720#msg51273720
Old lie.

Refusal to admit evidence, the movement of merit, calls the protection of a fraudster. He also “exaggerated” by accusing me of having an alternate account and corruption.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51544427#msg51544427

I have the right to my opinion, everyone can read this topic and see who and how honestly behaves.

In the Russian section there is a really active discussion, as part of the discussion we talked about honesty. I said that if an accusation is made, it will be good if people admit their guilt and we will avoid drama. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52738030#msg52738030

At the same time, you didn’t make your own opinion about the violators (under the pretext that you do not understand the bounty) but started looking for an excuse to spoil my reputation / ban me. Some kind of super illogical behavior.

Later, I asked KTChampions to honestly answer two questions.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52744046#msg52744046

I recently looked through the account sales thread and found a quote for a nonexistent message, here it is -

Пoкyпaю aккayнты Full Member. Пpeдлoжeния пишитe в личкy
A чeгo caм диaпaзoн нe oзвyчишь цeн?

Taк pынoк мeняeтcя. Aктyaльныe цeны вceгдa нa мoмeнт пoкyпки
http://archive.md/lHD7w

 Bitonly88 wants to buy Full Member accounts, a quoted message from KTChampions, in quote, please state the price range.

The next lie but of course you will refer to your poor English  Wink
Correct translation: Why you yourself do not voice the price range?
I consider this behavior fraudulent (regardless of what is for sale) and I have blamed many sellers of various goods for this.

There is a quote, but no message. I asked KTChampions what does this mean? Look what he said to me,
 and whose name he inserted instead of his own by editing the message.

Either Bitonly88 committed a forgery, compromising KTChampions, or KTChampions, embarrassed to tell the truth, makes a false accusation of forgery. It doesn’t matter that Bitonly88, an account seller, should be interested in the truth. Later, suchmoon clarified, does KTChampions really deny his participation in the discussion of account purchases? Then KTChampions wrote that he did not remember, and maybe it was his way to show fraud in the discussion. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52750455#msg52750455
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52751851#msg52751851

Why don't you give a translation of my answer? Trying to mislead those who do not know Russian? Ok, I will do it for you:

I can’t confirm or refute this - I have> 1700 messages and many deleted ones, I can’t remember everything. Bitonly88 is a professional seller of accounts, and as you can see by his trust at that time in the local area, nobody painted such scamers at all, and I showed the fraudulent nature of their activities in discussions. To advertise the purchase of something without a clear price in my opinion is also the essence of fraud, especially if the price is clearly indicated in the sale announcement. Perhaps my messages were deleted on the complaint of the seller/buyer (since the Flea market section is not a discussion section) and this quote is part of such a discussion, perhaps by me (was deleted) because of corrupted DTs who are trying to find at me at least something (well, you know just read the section).

But initially, he said “Ask a question at the address, namely Bitonly88.
You never know what he could write there, for example” and instead of KTChampions, Satoshi Nakamoto inserted. I have a request, if someone can clarify the light on this situation and get a message from the archive, please help.I want to understand whether Bitonly88 made a forgery or KTChampions once again exaggerated.

sorry for the bad english.

Above in the quote, I explained what and why could happen. I am not surprised that you did not show this my answer here.

And now about you: I answered your two questions, and you promised to answer my two in response. But somehow you dodge it.
May be you want to do it here? So my questions:

1.) How is it that when I find a scamer/cheater you don’t have time/skills to tag him/look for additional proofs against him (or at least check existing ones), but there is time to rummage through my posts looking for something to complain about?

Let me remind you that this is how you behaved when I caught the serial scamer Smart man. You took the time to defend him, while not checking the info which was a lot about him, in addition, you constantly attacked me and even made a deliberately false report on plagiarism in the hope of getting rid of me.
And now the situation is repeating itself.

2.) Suppose your vile goal is achieved - you find something up on me. Then what? Does this somehow prevent me from continuing to publish information on scamers or being a real crypto enthusiast and discussing a crypto objectively, and not from the point of view of fiat prostitutes who are waiting for one thing from the bitcoin - to increase price rate to merge it and get the desired fiat?

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October 15, 2019, 12:08:07 AM
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The fact that I go to Meta in controversial situations is quite logical. There are many more honest people here and they act more quickly, plus scamers and their defenders are less arrogant than in the local.

You can go anywhere you want, just try to be at least honest and not lie about what's really going on. There is no conspiracy, be.open has been tagged by DT, you're not happy though because not everyone agrees with you, and anyone who doesn't jump to the same conclusions as you is "protecting scammers". Roll Eyes

Your weaselly response to the question about the deleted post exemplifies your character - from indirectly blaming another poster with fabrication, to insinuations that a moderator deleted it (hint: modlog is public), to the good old "but it's not a crime even if I did it". Of course it's not. It's the cover-up that makes it suspicious.


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The fact that I go to Meta in controversial situations is quite logical. There are many more honest people here and they act more quickly, plus scamers and their defenders are less arrogant than in the local.

You can go anywhere you want, just try to be at least honest and not lie about what's really going on. There is no conspiracy, be.open has been tagged by DT, you're not happy though because not everyone agrees with you, and anyone who doesn't jump to the same conclusions as you is "protecting scammers". Roll Eyes

I agree that not all people “mistaken” in users are interested defenders of scamers. Everyone makes mistakes, but I'm sure that some users intentionally protect caught fraudsters for one reason or another.
As for my alleged lie: since yesterday, a lot of posts were written in the locale ... do you read them? Do you think they all adequately describe objective reality or do some users lie?

Your weaselly response to the question about the deleted post exemplifies your character - from indirectly blaming another poster with fabrication, to insinuations that a moderator deleted it (hint: modlog is public), to the good old "but it's not a crime even if I did it". Of course it's not. It's the cover-up that makes it suspicious.

By the post above, I showed why all the questions and actions from chimk make me suspicious. I’m tired of the fact that after the publication of some information, for some reason, not information is discussed, but I. And it seems to me that after what happened and continues to happen, I have the right to suspicion and self-defense.

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