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#126 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VN61OS92gyZSHlYorDMfVVf90n3jl-HKTGbhBXVthNE/edit#gid=1565214583

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#103 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tIMKx80RdDwydtReNwsZzuUO0KYHUqaMnWWar45EAak/htmlview

Cheating  [BOUNTY]🔶Crowd Genie🔶 campaign

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Connection through merit: Favorite profiles to send sMerit to for Sancho18 is be.open (top-1) - 8 merits sent, 1 merit returned.

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October 13, 2019, 11:10:38 AM
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Are both be.open and Sancho18 were in the same campaign ? If so, they need to be tagged by DT.

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Good day, apparently a misunderstanding occurred. I admire the heroic forum activities of be.open and flattered if I am mistaken for it. Apparently, there is a personal reconciliation of topic starter with be.open, please be careful in considering the evidence provided, even if at first glance they seem convincing. I have never violated the rules of the bounty campaigns and am not a bounty cheater. Thanks.

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October 13, 2019, 02:42:22 PM
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Good day, apparently a misunderstanding occurred. I admire the heroic forum activities of be.open and flattered if I am mistaken for it. Apparently, there is a personal reconciliation of topic starter with be.open, please be careful in considering the evidence provided, even if at first glance they seem convincing. I have never violated the rules of the bounty campaigns and am not a bounty cheater. Thanks.

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October 14, 2019, 09:51:42 PM
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http://web.archive.org/web/20191014214750/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2564886.msg26125867

The terms of that bounty don't state that alt accounts are not allowed to be used.

A neutral tag would be appropriate and a warning not to merit the alt account (against the rules).

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October 14, 2019, 11:18:38 PM
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http://web.archive.org/web/20191014214750/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2564886.msg26125867

The terms of that bounty don't state that alt accounts are not allowed to be used.

A neutral tag would be appropriate and a warning not to merit the alt account (against the rules).

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3 | Twitter accounts must be original. Fake, dead, inactive and bot accounts will not be accepted.

Obviously be.open/Sancho18 have violated this rule.

 
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October 15, 2019, 03:40:03 AM
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Hello. I'm not good at English, sorry.

Sancho is my son’s account, now he is 17, and for him, participating in the bounty campaigns was something like a fun game that we played together competing with each other, trying to never cross. Once I made a mistake and joined the same twitter campaign as him. This does not mean that I am a cheater, because behind us we think for more than a hundred different campaigns, and I was mistaken only once. For Sancho, it’s a big blow that he suffered because of my mistake. The forum seems to have already lost a young talented writer who started with a bounty, and then in a game form was very deeply imbued with the ideas of crypto. It’s a very bad practice to label individual violations. It is a pity that it is widespread. The son should not be responsible for the mistakes of the father. And my only mistake by inattention does not mean that I am a cheater.

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It would take a whole lot things to pursuade DT members to remove both of your tags than just a story about you being the father of Sancho. Because literally no one will buy your reason without any kind of evidence to prove it, and a lot if people have used that reasoning before. Aside from using one address you have also used a telegram account of the ogher account which is suspicious enough to see why you two are frequently switching addresses and account names.

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It would take a whole lot things to pursuade DT members to remove both of your tags than just a story about you being the father of Sancho. Because literally no one will buy your reason without any kind of evidence to prove it, and a lot if people have used that reasoning before. Aside from using one address you have also used a telegram account of the ogher account which is suspicious enough to see why you two are frequently switching addresses and account names.
I am not going to try to sell my reasons, and there will be no evidence either - I value my privacy and the privacy of my son too much. I urge the presumption of innocence to help. And the precedent of this topic.

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October 15, 2019, 03:03:01 PM
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~ And my only mistake by inattention does not mean that I am a cheater.

There is such a funny user Prod.
He became a member in just a week, very successfully received 10 merits from be.open (1), Sancho18 (5), Kutkh (1) and Bonanzabits (3). And on the same day he became a member he sent 4 merits to be.open.

Bonanzabits

Between this and then:
-  After 9 months of bounty in different signature campaigns, with 5 accounts (3 member and 2 Full member) - real profit is 1500 bucks, the rest is shit tokens.. I don't know what's next, will go to growth or will not - don't know, will hold, there is nothing more to do. I hope you have a more interesting picture.. Sorry for the nagging, but I'm upset.. I'm not discouraged, I will continue to work of course, but the ass burns as hell.  Undecided
http://archive.md/8igFv

Look at the pages Prod, Kutkh and Bonanzabits and see, that they are decorated in one style on 100%:
 http://archive.md/4f6qm  http://archive.md/jT1AL  http://archive.md/rcEFC

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Prod:
Date Registered:   November 26, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
Last Active:   November 07, 2018, 05:34:14 PM
Kutkh:
Date Registered:   November 26, 2017, 04:09:31 PM
Last Active:   November 07, 2018, 05:36:15 PM

The pages contain ETH addresses. And it’s clear that Bonanzabits from his address 0xBE96A5d1aD23142e7Ed0b25fe28C4478B7318170 sent ETH to Kutkh 0xEB82E662bAfdab04A6190E8daF6995c5188C9C28 https://etherscan.io/tx/0x3b21f8c54c50ce30e57dbf8a8f69a5351d44d3c7db56495a9c84a959478c8f61

Bonanzabits did not send ETH to Prod, but he sent him merits.

be.open answer:

~I do not have and never had access to these accounts (Prod, Kutkh и Bonanzabits), but I know whose they are and this is my good friend, thanks to the advice of which I myself came to the crypto. But he ended up on the forum later than me, and as a token of gratitude I helped to start a forum career (so he calls pumping botfarm by merits - clarification from KTChampions) for him and asked Sancho to help him a little. ~


~By the way, here are two campaigns where be.open and his friend bot owner Bonanzabits participated together:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18VGKXNLd-XH8QA4o24tEtbnbKqdgfrZ-73xmSvGpxR0/edit#gid=1415290917
#414 и 419
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vXJNIQAc4tRHQaUcdaKrcPObS_gK3frz9kGnxdmwALQ/edit#gid=450365382
#7 и 16

And a little more about honesty:

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Did you have to go through KYC ?
I did not go through KYC, and I am not going to do it, but if I have to, I will use other people's IDs. IMHO, it’s worthless for a cryptanarchist to do a KYC ...  Roll Eyes

five accs (3 member and 2 Full member)

stunned, here i get tired of working with one .. but 5!
Well this is how much you have to post
about 100 posts per week.

And finally:

Topic Election of an additional moderator
Quote from: Bonanzabits
Here is an ideological and active person. I learned a lot from him. Suggest him, maybe he will agree ..  Roll Eyes
be.open

I can’t know how many people are behind these five accounts, but the fact is that they are all connected and engaged in shady / fraudulent activities.

 
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October 15, 2019, 03:31:13 PM
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It would take a whole lot things to pursuade DT members to remove both of your tags than just a story about you being the father of Sancho. Because literally no one will buy your reason without any kind of evidence to prove it, and a lot if people have used that reasoning before. Aside from using one address you have also used a telegram account of the ogher account which is suspicious enough to see why you two are frequently switching addresses and account names.
I am not going to try to sell my reasons, and there will be no evidence either - I value my privacy and the privacy of my son too much. I urge the presumption of innocence to help. And the precedent of this topic.

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.
If you are not willing to show any evidence, no one will believe your case as this is the most common reason which everyone uses when their alts are caught abusing the campaigns.

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It would take a whole lot things to pursuade DT members to remove both of your tags than just a story about you being the father of Sancho. Because literally no one will buy your reason without any kind of evidence to prove it, and a lot if people have used that reasoning before. Aside from using one address you have also used a telegram account of the ogher account which is suspicious enough to see why you two are frequently switching addresses and account names.
I am not going to try to sell my reasons, and there will be no evidence either - I value my privacy and the privacy of my son too much. I urge the presumption of innocence to help. And the precedent of this topic.

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.
If you are not willing to show any evidence, no one will believe your case as this is the most common reason which everyone uses when their alts are caught abusing the campaigns.
I do not trust KTChampions. Perhaps I can enter a video chat on whatsapp with one of the DT members and show my passport, in which there is an entry about the presence of my son, born in 2002. Of course, my son’s name is not Sancho, this is just a forum nickname. I do not want to send my documents to anyone, if I take the risk of deanonymization, then let it be symmetrical. Which member of the DT is ready to enter into such a dialogue with me? Who wants to take a look at be.open? There are public persons in the list of DT?

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October 15, 2019, 04:24:46 PM
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To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.~

It is a bad idea. The presence of a son does not prove anything and does not cancel the revealed violations.

 
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October 15, 2019, 04:29:16 PM
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To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.~

It is a bad idea. The presence of a son does not prove anything and does not cancel the revealed violations.
Nobody canceled the presumption of innocence. If possible, then this should be interpreted in my favor.

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October 15, 2019, 04:36:30 PM
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To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.~

It is a bad idea. The presence of a son does not prove anything and does not cancel the revealed violations.
Nobody canceled the presumption of innocence. If possible, then this should be interpreted in my favor.

So, if you have a son, then you can have two accounts, if two sons, then three, if you have friends, then you can build a huge bot farm? OK. Beautiful story, thanks.

 
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October 15, 2019, 04:40:27 PM
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To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.~

It is a bad idea. The presence of a son does not prove anything and does not cancel the revealed violations.
Nobody canceled the presumption of innocence. If possible, then this should be interpreted in my favor.

So, if you have a son, then you can have two accounts, if two sons, then three, if you have friends, then you can build a huge bot farm? OK. Beautiful story, thanks.
When you manage to interest your 15-year-old teenage son into engaging in any joint activities, and continue to do this together for two years, it will be important for me to know your opinion on this issue. I am very grateful to the forum that I managed to establish good relations with my son, thanks to the competitive quest in the bounty.

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October 15, 2019, 04:42:19 PM
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It would take a whole lot things to pursuade DT members to remove both of your tags than just a story about you being the father of Sancho. Because literally no one will buy your reason without any kind of evidence to prove it, and a lot if people have used that reasoning before. Aside from using one address you have also used a telegram account of the ogher account which is suspicious enough to see why you two are frequently switching addresses and account names.
I am not going to try to sell my reasons, and there will be no evidence either - I value my privacy and the privacy of my son too much. I urge the presumption of innocence to help. And the precedent of this topic.

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.
If you are not willing to show any evidence, no one will believe your case as this is the most common reason which everyone uses when their alts are caught abusing the campaigns.
I do not trust KTChampions. Perhaps I can enter a video chat on whatsapp with one of the DT members and show my passport, in which there is an entry about the presence of my son, born in 2002. Of course, my son’s name is not Sancho, this is just a forum nickname. I do not want to send my documents to anyone, if I take the risk of deanonymization, then let it be symmetrical. Which member of the DT is ready to enter into such a dialogue with me? Who wants to take a look at be.open? There are public persons in the list of DT?

If your son name is not Sancho and obviously your name is not be.open, then nothing can be proved.  Its does not matter if you come live on whatsapp or come live physically.  
I am afraid this was the only hope for you and with further five accounts discovered by KTChampions makes your case even more weaker.

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October 15, 2019, 04:54:56 PM
Last edit: October 15, 2019, 05:07:45 PM by be.open
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It would take a whole lot things to pursuade DT members to remove both of your tags than just a story about you being the father of Sancho. Because literally no one will buy your reason without any kind of evidence to prove it, and a lot if people have used that reasoning before. Aside from using one address you have also used a telegram account of the ogher account which is suspicious enough to see why you two are frequently switching addresses and account names.
I am not going to try to sell my reasons, and there will be no evidence either - I value my privacy and the privacy of my son too much. I urge the presumption of innocence to help. And the precedent of this topic.

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.
If you are not willing to show any evidence, no one will believe your case as this is the most common reason which everyone uses when their alts are caught abusing the campaigns.
I do not trust KTChampions. Perhaps I can enter a video chat on whatsapp with one of the DT members and show my passport, in which there is an entry about the presence of my son, born in 2002. Of course, my son’s name is not Sancho, this is just a forum nickname. I do not want to send my documents to anyone, if I take the risk of deanonymization, then let it be symmetrical. Which member of the DT is ready to enter into such a dialogue with me? Who wants to take a look at be.open? There are public persons in the list of DT?

If your son name is not Sancho and obviously your name is not be.open, then nothing can be proved.  Its does not matter if you come live on whatsapp or come live physically.  
I am afraid this was the only hope for you and with further five accounts discovered by KTChampions makes your case even more weaker.
Let me remind you that thanks to the presumption of innocence, I do not need to prove anything. I have a son, he is 17, there is a possibility that I am telling the truth and this is really so. I ask you to adhere to the principles of fair justice and interpret this opportunity in my favor.

Other accounts (Kutkh, Prod, Bonanzabits) also do not belong to me. There is insufficient evidence that I managed them.

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October 15, 2019, 05:30:46 PM
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Let me remind you that thanks to the presumption of innocence, I do not need to prove anything. I have a son, he is 17, there is a possibility that I am telling the truth and this is really so. I ask you to adhere to the principles of fair justice and interpret this opportunity in my favor.

Other accounts (Kutkh, Prod, Bonanzabits) also do not belong to me. There is insufficient evidence that I managed them.

You want your case to be in your favor by the  "presumption of innocence" principle.
A quick definition for this is :

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The presumption of innocence is the legal principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty.

But in your case KTChampions has already proven you guilty with an evidence and now you have to provide an evidence to deny him.

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October 15, 2019, 05:41:19 PM
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Let me remind you that thanks to the presumption of innocence, I do not need to prove anything. I have a son, he is 17, there is a possibility that I am telling the truth and this is really so. I ask you to adhere to the principles of fair justice and interpret this opportunity in my favor.

Other accounts (Kutkh, Prod, Bonanzabits) also do not belong to me. There is insufficient evidence that I managed them.

You want your case to be in your favor by the  "presumption of innocence" principle.
A quick definition for this is :

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The presumption of innocence is the legal principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty.

But in your case KTChampions has already proven you guilty with an evidence and now you have to provide an evidence to deny him.
Are you a DT member yourself or are you just typing messages in your signature campaign here? Please do not waste my time unless you are a decision maker.

In addition to the presumption of innocence, my line of defense also draws on this precedent. The evidentiary value of the charge is insufficient.


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