⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[Upgrade00]

... and in my eye Barcelona midfielders especially bosquets is really slow in making transition from attacking to defending, just look at how many times Barcelona left behind this season?

Busquets has been the holding midfielder for over a decade, also during the two years when Barcelona won trebles (including a sextuple), he's speed or lack of, has not cost the team as much as it has over the past three seasons. There is a general lack of urgency about the game when Barcelona losses possession. This was one of the major strengths of the team during the Guardiola era. High press, from the oppositions box.

Ernesto Valverde plays a more conserved type of football, much doesn't mean a better defense as we (yeah, I'm a fan) still let in lots of goals. Bad for the team, but good for gamblers as you pointed out.

[senne]

Once again it turns out that Barcelona have a lot of problems in their game.
Inter was much better in the first half and missed a great opportunity to secure the win.
Vidal's entry in the second half and the individual quality of Messi and Suarez decided the match.
Barcelona still have big problems in their game, especially when they play away.
Plus, they depend too much on one player, Messi, and that’s not good for the team’s ambitions.

I dont think that they are now dependent on messi as you can see that how good sqaraz played and scored goal and won for the team. But due to famous name of messi it is always used it for getting highlighted

It seems to me that we watched 2 different matches 
Messi is most deserving for Barcelona's second goal as he made a mess in the Inter defense and Suarez had a very easy job finishing the action.
Otherwise, just look at Barcelone's results with Messi and without Messi to see how powerless Barcelona is when Messi doesn't play.

Despite Barca's spending they can't perform without Messi.The difference is so visible in Barca's game when they are not playing with Messi in the team. They even struggle to beat the smaller teams. Valverde needs to figure out how to make the squad less dependent on Messi now that he is more injury prone.

[rachman mahesa]

It's over. The 2 champions league matches yesterday, really a lot of interesting matches beyond expectations and predictions. Many even lose money in their bets because there is a team that is really disappointing in the match. But behind it all, there must be a winner in betting. Congratulations to everyone who bet, we are waiting for the UCL match on 10/23.

[Rikafip]

Red Star Belgrade travel poorly but they have an incredibly passionate, intimidating atmosphere at their home stadia. They are not to be underestimated in Belgrade.

Yes, passionate fans are a great addition, but they cannot win you the match. Serbian football is in a downfall for a long time, so I kind of ignored Red Star and thought they will get hammered.
I am pleasantly surprised by Red Star (back to back years in CL groups) so I plan to watch a game or 2 to see what that team is about and if they actually have some good players there.

While their national team is in not looking good for years now despite having very good players, their clubs are performing best since 1991 as Partizan is also playing good, and Serbia might have 2 clubs soon in Champions League.
In my opinion, their most important player is Marko Marin, easily, it was an excellent buy last year.

[JeromeTash]

I dont think that they are now dependent on messi as you can see that how good sqaraz played and scored goal and won for the team. But due to famous name of messi it is always used it for getting highlighted

You certainly did not watch the match played yesterday and i also doubt if you watched any games of Barcelona with Messi in the pitch and without Messi in the pitch. Otherwise, what you are saying here is totally incorrect.

Barcelona have been over dependent on him lately and whenever he doesn't play, the results speak for themselves. Please first watch matches before making random conclusions.

[bitzizzix]

I dont think that they are now dependent on messi as you can see that how good sqaraz played and scored goal and won for the team. But due to famous name of messi it is always used it for getting highlighted

You certainly did not watch the match played yesterday and i also doubt if you watched any games of Barcelona with Messi in the pitch and without Messi in the pitch. Otherwise, what you are saying here is totally incorrect.

Barcelona have been over dependent on him lately and whenever he doesn't play, the results speak for themselves. Please first watch matches before making random conclusions.

I agree with you, and Barcelona without messi I think its popularity will decline because in my opinion messi is very influential in the Barcelona game.
Even though Messi didn't score, there are plenty of passes from Messi that can produce goals because Messi is not selfish in playing the team and for whatever reason Barcelona still need messi in changing the game.

[steveabrahams]

I dont think that they are now dependent on messi as you can see that how good sqaraz played and scored goal and won for the team. But due to famous name of messi it is always used it for getting highlighted

You certainly did not watch the match played yesterday and i also doubt if you watched any games of Barcelona with Messi in the pitch and without Messi in the pitch. Otherwise, what you are saying here is totally incorrect.

Barcelona have been over dependent on him lately and whenever he doesn't play, the results speak for themselves. Please first watch matches before making random conclusions.

We can say Barcelona without Messi is not Barcelona, it's same like Christiano Ronaldo on Real Madrid though. The different is Barcelona still has another top player Suarez. So when Messi underperform, Barcelona still has suarez to cover.

Almost all big teams doing good on week 2 champions league, Real Madrid on the other hand.... I don't know man, since Ronaldo left Real Madrid, this team become so bad. 4th position on Group A, is there any chance for Real Madrid to qualify to the next round champions league?

[Coyster]

4th position on Group A, is there any chance for Real Madrid to qualify to the next round champions league?

Who would have believed some seasons back that in a champions league group stage, Madrid would be languishing in fourth place, I can't really say what the problem is with Madrid, they made major reinforcements this season, Hazard being one of the big money players welcomed to the Berbenbeu.

Florentino Perez might be a good business man, but I do not like the way be handles Madrid, just as Woodward manages Manchester United, I think Perez should leave Madrid, he has made them lose some key legends in the worst ways ever and I think that's come back to haunt them. It'll be the shock of the tournament if Madrid fails to qualify or drops to the Europa league, it'll be demeaning for the collection of world class talents they boast of.

[Upgrade00]

Florentino Perez might be a good business man, but I do not like the way be handles Madrid, just as Woodward manages Manchester United, I think Perez should leave Madrid, he has made them lose some key legends in the worst ways ever and I think that's come back to haunt them.

They have handled some transfers very poorly over the last couple of years, and this may be reflecting on the performances of the team. Most of the players lack loyalty to the club. We saw Bale pass on the complimentary badge (which the captains exchange) when Varane have it to him.

Madrid needs players that want to play for the club. (One) Big name sign-in would not cover up the underlying issue.

[rizkyrz]

Florentino Perez might be a good business man, but I do not like the way be handles Madrid, just as Woodward manages Manchester United, I think Perez should leave Madrid, he has made them lose some key legends in the worst ways ever and I think that's come back to haunt them.

They have handled some transfers very poorly over the last couple of years, and this may be reflecting on the performances of the team. Most of the players lack loyalty to the club. We saw Bale pass on the complimentary badge (which the captains exchange) when Varane have it to him.

Madrid needs players that want to play for the club. (One) Big name sign-in would not cover up the underlying issue.

Florentino Perez as Real Madrid manager is not a typical who can retain players or their club legend, this happened to Casilass who came out like just an ordinary player, even though he was a player who greatly contributed to the team. Which is currently loyal to the Madrid club, I think it's only Sergio Ramos & Marcelo.

[Nahl]

It took 36 minutes for Liverpool lead the score 3 - 0 but when Hwang made a score for Salzburg the game looks change that Salzburg can equal the score and luckily Salah goal can save Liverpool face so this is very inversely proportional from Liverpool performance on english league that in the champion league they defence looks very weak because conceded 5 goals from 2 game

[yoseph]

4th position on Group A, is there any chance for Real Madrid to qualify to the next round champions league?

Who would have believed some seasons back that in a champions league group stage, Madrid would be languishing in fourth place, I can't really say what the problem is with Madrid, they made major reinforcements this season, Hazard being one of the big money players welcomed to the Berbenbeu.

Florentino Perez might be a good business man, but I do not like the way be handles Madrid, just as Woodward manages Manchester United, I think Perez should leave Madrid, he has made them lose some key legends in the worst ways ever and I think that's come back to haunt them. It'll be the shock of the tournament if Madrid fails to qualify or drops to the Europa league, it'll be demeaning for the collection of world class talents they boast of.

Florentino Perez has rather shown himself to be a far capable in both the financial affairs and player transfers than Ed Woodward has ever shown himself to be. Woodward has been very awful when it comes to player transfers and as a fact look at how he ended up paying more for Fellaini and Harry Maguire if he had agreed and gone for them a lot sooner.

[cryptofrka]

Ed Woodward is by far the biggest problem Manchester United currently has. He will probably do good things for marketing, but if you want to win trophies football has to be the main priority. What's happening on the pitch must be more important than what's happening in the account sheets, otherwise you will have huge problems because your on-pitch performances won't be enough to pay for your instagram celebrities' wages.

In comparison, Liverpool bought players that became stars. United is buying stars that don't fit in as players. In football you cannot stay long on the outside without taking a serious reputation damage, United is dancing on that edge for a while already.
With Woodward in charge, the odds of them falling from it are quite high.

[DeathAngel]

Ed Woodward is by far the biggest problem Manchester United currently has. He will probably do good things for marketing, but if you want to win trophies football has to be the main priority. What's happening on the pitch must be more important than what's happening in the account sheets, otherwise you will have huge problems because your on-pitch performances won't be enough to pay for your instagram celebrities' wages.

In comparison, Liverpool bought players that became stars. United is buying stars that don't fit in as players. In football you cannot stay long on the outside without taking a serious reputation damage, United is dancing on that edge for a while already.
With Woodward in charge, the odds of them falling from it are quite high.

I hope for their same that Woodward doesn’t have a say in football matters like transfers. He should stick to the money side of things. A lot of clubs have non-football guys getting involved in important footballing decisions & it’s not good.

[rizkyrz]

Ed Woodward is by far the biggest problem Manchester United currently has. He will probably do good things for marketing, but if you want to win trophies football has to be the main priority. What's happening on the pitch must be more important than what's happening in the account sheets, otherwise you will have huge problems because your on-pitch performances won't be enough to pay for your instagram celebrities' wages.

In comparison, Liverpool bought players that became stars. United is buying stars that don't fit in as players. In football you cannot stay long on the outside without taking a serious reputation damage, United is dancing on that edge for a while already.
With Woodward in charge, the odds of them falling from it are quite high.

I hope for their same that Woodward doesn’t have a say in football matters like transfers. He should stick to the money side of things. A lot of clubs have non-football guys getting involved in important footballing decisions & it’s not good.

yes, people who don't understand football shouldn't take care of things like transfers, because they don't do that based on the perspective of a footballer, only thinking about business and club profits.

[Naida_BR]

Ed Woodward is by far the biggest problem Manchester United currently has. He will probably do good things for marketing, but if you want to win trophies football has to be the main priority. What's happening on the pitch must be more important than what's happening in the account sheets, otherwise you will have huge problems because your on-pitch performances won't be enough to pay for your instagram celebrities' wages.

In comparison, Liverpool bought players that became stars. United is buying stars that don't fit in as players. In football you cannot stay long on the outside without taking a serious reputation damage, United is dancing on that edge for a while already.
With Woodward in charge, the odds of them falling from it are quite high.

I think that in that case Liverpool was very lucky and bought the right players.
On the other hand, Manchester United doesn't make any huge buys. They try to build their team on the talents that they have, but something goes wrong on the academy planning maybe.

[Upgrade00]

[I think that in that case Liverpool was very lucky and bought the right players.
On the other hand, Manchester United doesn't make any huge buys. They try to build their team on the talents that they have, but something goes wrong on the academy planning maybe.

Your assessment is actually wrong. Except for the 2018/19 season, Manchester United has spent more money than Liverpool on net transfers, and their total spendings (taking players sold into account) over that time amounts to almost €500 million.
Source: https://www.transfermarkt.com/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

The problem with the club still remains the management, which lacks the ability to maintain world class talents, as such; world class, much more improve them.

[Barracuda]

It took 36 minutes for Liverpool lead the score 3 - 0 but when Hwang made a score for Salzburg the game looks change that Salzburg can equal the score and luckily Salah goal can save Liverpool face so this is very inversely proportional from Liverpool performance on english league that in the champion league they defence looks very weak because conceded 5 goals from 2 game

Liverpool's defense in the match must be repaired again. For the attack was already very good and Liverpool's overall appearance was very beautiful. So, this is not a problem to think about too seriously. Klopp knows what he has to do, most importantly they get 3 points in the match.

[rizkyrz]

It took 36 minutes for Liverpool lead the score 3 - 0 but when Hwang made a score for Salzburg the game looks change that Salzburg can equal the score and luckily Salah goal can save Liverpool face so this is very inversely proportional from Liverpool performance on english league that in the champion league they defence looks very weak because conceded 5 goals from 2 game

Liverpool's defense in the match must be repaired again. For the attack was already very good and Liverpool's overall appearance was very beautiful. So, this is not a problem to think about too seriously. Klopp knows what he has to do, most importantly they get 3 points in the match.

I agree, Liverpool defender must be evaluated so that mistakes that will harm the team can be minimized properly. if their defense has improved I think Liverpool will be a good team to attack and defend.

[Chrystora123]

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I agree, Liverpool defender must be evaluated so that mistakes that will harm the team can be minimized properly. if their defense has improved I think Liverpool will be a good team to attack and defend.

Van Dijk also said "We must improve and Re-evaluate our defenses" in an interview with reporters yesterday.. it's clear he said because in the match against Salzburg yesterday Hwang Hee was able to trick Van Dijk, and he said this also so that his team (Liverpool) did not quickly become complacent and feel strong.