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When we talk about the Cypherpunk movement, we only see their names written, in this post I have included the photos of some members and a link with information, Cypherpunk movement and those related to Bitcoin.

Cypherpunks are those who promote technologies to improve privacy and security in communications, mainly based on cryptography.


Tim May                                                                             David Chaum                                         Hal Finney


Adam Back                                                  John Gilmore                                     Nick Szabo



Wei Dai                                            Phil Zimmermann                              Eric Hughes

The mailing list was created (1992) by Timothy May, Eric Hughes and John Gilmore.

- Eric Hughes: A Cypherpunk's Manifesto
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"An anonymous system allows individuals to reveal their identity when desired and only when desired; this is the essence of privacy"
https://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html

- Tim May https://en.bitcoinwiki.org/wiki/Timothy_C._May
- David Chaum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
- Hal Finney https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(computer_scientist)
- Adam Back https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Back https://twitter.com/adam3us
- John_Gilmore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gilmore_(activist)
- Nick Szabo https://en.bitcoinwiki.org/wiki/Nick_Szabo
- Wei Dai https://en.bitcoinwiki.org/wiki/Wei_Dai
- Phil Zimmermann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Zimmermann
- Eric Hughes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hughes_(cypherpunk)
https://soundcloud.com/cryptoanarchywiki/2012-09-27-eric-hughes-keynote-at-amsterdam-cryptoparty
- Satoshi Nakamoto https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.0

Some supporters of the Cypherpunk movement are well known in Bitcointalk.

Finally the cover of the WIRED Magazine and a link to the full article.


https://twitter.com/francispouliot_/status/1046141148786577408

Wired Magazine 2 May 1993 - Crypto Rebels

https://www.wired.com/1993/02/crypto-rebels/

What do you think of the Cypherpunk movement?
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I think it is cool, but I think some are no longer punks.

A punk to me is someone who does not conform to the norm and is kind of anti establishment. I think greed has turned some of these punks into posers. Clearly one of them is a real punk still (whoever holds all of those early wallets has not conformed to the norm).

Although if I was satoshi I would crash the market in a second just to prove a point to all the fiat lovers and then drink all the sweat tears on twitter, and buy back in and get double the fiat and bitcoin for free then use the fiat as my toilet paper.

For real tho, All of these men deserve unlimited money for their contribution to our species. If any of them ever created my system(based of a address being a child chain and each chain gaining duration from birthdate at a fixed rate, so we have trinkle up economics, with a tax fee on the network to support not miners but public projects like space exploration and garbage etc etc) and got it to work with some time banks. I would give them 50% of my time for the rest of my life, If they really wanted since they un-enslaved my kind, I would give them 100% of my time for now my brothers kids will not be slaves their entire life, like I have been. I hope these people in the op ate some of my cherries and peaches and not the bankers.

Anyways, Kudos to all of you gentlemen. I will see you on the other side. You are welcome into my universe, just know there is no such thing as privacy in the absence of duration Wink You will know everything instantly or nothing at all by the end of it. Ignorance is not bliss it is oblivion, total awareness is perfect happiness.
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^
What you mention is the usual in working life, the principles are the origin, but money decides the way in professional life and for many it is more important the money than the principles.

Anyway I will try that this thread is dedicated to the birth of the Cypherpunk movement and the connection with Bitcoin.
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         John Perry Barlow

A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace

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Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.

Recomndable reading > https://www.eff.org/cyberspace-independence

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In 1990, Barlow founded the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) along with fellow digital-rights activists John Gilmore and Mitch Kapor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Perry_Barlow
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Here are 3 modern day equivalents. Like Phil they have taken up the fight directly and put themselves in harm's way.

Edward Snowden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden




Julian Assange https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange




Chelsea Manning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

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Other Cypherpunks that have contributed to the movement:

- Jacob Appelbaum / Tor developer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Appelbaum

-Julian Assange / WikiLeaks founder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange

- Derek Atkins / Computer scientist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Atkins

- Jim Bell / Author of Assassination Politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell

- Steven Bellovin / Bell Labs researcher
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_M._Bellovin

- Matt Blaze / Bell Labs researcher
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Blaze

- Eric Blossom / Designer of the Starium cryptographically secured mobile phone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Blossom

- Jon Callas / Technical lead on OpenPGP specification
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Callas

- Bram Cohen / Creator of BitTorrent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bram_Cohen

- Lance Cottrell / Develops Internet privacy systems
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Cottrell

- Matt Curtin / Founder of Interhack Corporation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Curtin

- Hugh Daniel / Former Sun Microsystems employee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Daniel

- Suelette Dreyfus / Technology researcher, journalist, and writer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suelette_Dreyfus

- Eva Galperin / Malware researcher
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Galperin

- Mike Godwin / Electronic Frontier Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Godwin

- Ian Goldberg / Cryptographer and Cypherpunk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Goldberg

- Rop Gonggrijp / Founder of XS4ALL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rop_Gonggrijp

- Sean Hastings / Founding CEO of Havenco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Hastings

- Johan Helsingius / Creator and operator of Penet remailer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Helsingius

- Nadia Heninger / Security researcher
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadia_Heninger

- Robert Hettinga / Founder of the International Conference on Financial Cryptography
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hettinga

- Marc Horowitz / Author of the first PGP key server
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Horowitz

- Tim Hudson / The precursor to OpenSSL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hudson

- Peter Junger / Law professor at Case Western Reserve University
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Junger

- Werner Koch / Author of GNU Privacy Guard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Koch

- Paul Kocher / President of Cryptography Research
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kocher

- Ryan Lackey / Co-founder of HavenCo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Lackey

- Brian LaMacchia / Designer of XKMS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_LaMacchia

- Ben Laurie / Founder of The Bunker, core OpenSSL team member
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Laurie

- Moxie Marlinspike / Founder of Open Whisper Systems
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie_Marlinspike

- Morgan Marquis-Boire / Privacy activist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Marquis-Boire

- Jude Milhon  / A founding member of the Cypherpunks mailing list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_Milhon

- Vincent Moscaritolo / Founder of Mac Crypto Workshop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Moscaritolo

- Sameer Parekh / Co-founder of the CryptoRights Foundation human rights non-profit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sameer_Parekh

- Vipul Ved Prakash / Co-founder of Sense/Net
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipul_Ved_Prakash

- Runa Sandvik / Tor developer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runa_Sandvik

- Len Sassaman / Maintainer of the Mixmaster Remailer software
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Sassaman

- Bruce Schneier / Founder of Counterpane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Schneier

- Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn / DigiCash and MojoNation developer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko_Wilcox-O%27Hearn

- Jillian C. York / Director of International Freedom of Expression at the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jillian_York

- John Young / Anti-secrecy activist and co-founder of Cryptome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptome

Thanks, to these privileged minds who have fought for the privacy and freedom of the people.

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I wrote an article a while ago about the Cypherpunks in a slightly different context.

The Cypherpunks and Bitcoin. The years before bitcointalk.

I'm sorry but I have to mention the elephant in the room.

Another notable notorious cypherpunk.

- Craig Steven Wright / Claiming the credit
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.msg51780454#msg51780454
http://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/authors/craig_s_wright_craigsw_at_ozemail_com_au_/
http://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/authors/craigw_at_dg_ce_com_au/

The mailing list is archived here:

http://www.cypherspace.org/adam/cp-stats.txt
http://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/
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...snip...

What do you think of the Cypherpunk movement?

I'm starting to think we lost our way to a large extent.

Privacy is (still) mostly dead. Totalitarianism is ever present and increasing.

Many 'punks' seemingly gave up the 'good fight', became disenfranchised / maligned and/or sold out to 'the man' ...

22C3: We lost the war
- https://youtu.be/8bulE9vErfg

rop, frank: Ten years after ‚We Lost The War‘
- https://youtu.be/P4k7RKx4OQM

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Us bitcoiner's should learn to make better use of the privacy tools that already exist, for starters.

I for one wish I could focus more on doing these things for good, but needs must.

...

This is a very interesting topic.  If a solution was found, a much better, easier, more convenient implementation of Bitcoin would be possible.

Originally, a coin can be just a chain of signatures.  With a timestamp service, the old ones could be dropped eventually before there's too much backtrace fan-out, or coins could be kept individually or in denominations.  It's the need to check for the absence of double-spends that requires global knowledge of all transactions.

The challenge is, how do you prove that no other spends exist?  It seems a node must know about all transactions to be able to verify that.  If it only knows the hash of the in/outpoints, it can't check the signatures to see if an outpoint has been spent before.  Do you have any ideas on this?

It's hard to think of how to apply zero-knowledge-proofs in this case.

We're trying to prove the absence of something, which seems to require knowing about all and checking that the something isn't included.

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...snip...

What do you think of the Cypherpunk movement?

I'm starting to think we lost our way to a large extent.

Privacy is (still) mostly dead. Totalitarianism is ever present and increasing.

Seems like there continues to be ongoing development in bitcoin in the direction of privacy and various privacy tools available, like you mention below.  So seems kind of overly pessimistic suggesting that there is some kind of deficiency in the bitcoin direction because privacy matters are likely always going to be a matter of balancing, and some people are going to be better able to use tools that are available to them and to understand the upsides and downsides to various tools.  Sure some of the technical matters might be a bit beyond the reach of a lot of normies, but still would not mean that there are few tools available or that bitcoin is broken or deficient in the privacy direction in such a way that has either been abandoned and not being worked on by some folks who are capable of such technical, development and coding attempts.

Many 'punks' seemingly gave up the 'good fight', became disenfranchised / maligned and/or sold out to 'the man' ...

I doubt that such a broad brush generalization applies.  There are always going to be some people who are attempting to fight the "good fight" to the extent that they are capable.


22C3: We lost the war
- https://youtu.be/8bulE9vErfg

rop, frank: Ten years after ‚We Lost The War‘
- https://youtu.be/P4k7RKx4OQM

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Us bitcoiner's should learn to make better use of the privacy tools that already exist, for starters.

Surely not a bad thing for more people to attempt, because frequently we already know that some of the privacy tools are more effective if they are used by a broader swath of folks, so in that regard, there will certainly be attempts to develop ways of holding or transferring coins that have built in privacy that lay people might not even realize... but of course, the more that there are attempts to realize good or better privacy practices, then there will be information that is out there regarding which privacy tools might be more available and effective than others...including discussions of "best" privacy practices.


I for one wish I could focus more on doing these things for good, but needs must.

Every person only has so many hours in the day, and sometimes has a variety of other matters and interests that will keep him/her occupied, which surely is not a bad thing to have a variety of interests and sometimes having feelings that there is not enough time in the day to add to his/her agenda another kind of "mission in life."

 

...

This is a very interesting topic.  If a solution was found, a much better, easier, more convenient implementation of Bitcoin would be possible.

Originally, a coin can be just a chain of signatures.  With a timestamp service, the old ones could be dropped eventually before there's too much backtrace fan-out, or coins could be kept individually or in denominations.  It's the need to check for the absence of double-spends that requires global knowledge of all transactions.

The challenge is, how do you prove that no other spends exist?  It seems a node must know about all transactions to be able to verify that.  If it only knows the hash of the in/outpoints, it can't check the signatures to see if an outpoint has been spent before.  Do you have any ideas on this?

It's hard to think of how to apply zero-knowledge-proofs in this case.

We're trying to prove the absence of something, which seems to require knowing about all and checking that the something isn't included.

Roll Eyes

Surely is good to be reminded of the words of Satoshi at various points in time that retrospectively seem to be quite early in bitcoin's development (and attempting to work out various problems), which frequently shows that there frequently is a kind of balancing in attempting to accomplish more than one thing at the same time, in this case both security and privacy might be traded off against each other to try to figure out degrees to which both can be attempted to be accomplished or even maximized within parameters of the other.
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The history of all this bitcoin stuff is with the cypherpunks. I was on the newsletter in the 90's and we all thought that cryptography was to become the great liberator of humanity, or the most terrible thing to happen on the internet. Cryptography is the line between freedom and tyranny.

Had the opposing forces won out cryptography, and therefore privacy, would not exist on the internet. What the cypherpunks did is overwhelm the system before it learned how important the issue was. First napster destroyed the unfair music business. Then wikileaks destroyed the world of secrets. Now bitcoin is taking on the bank cabal. About the time they realize they are in trouble, it will be too late.
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Offtopic, I am glad to see the comments of registered members in the early years of Bitcointalk.

I regret not having been here sharing the beginning of Bitcointalk, Bitcoin and the first debates that were surely exciting.

Regarding the Cypherpunk movement, I think he did a great job, but he did not have enough support. If this initiative continued strongly, politicians and governments would be more concerned about the freedom and privacy of people, but now I have the feeling that they have won the battle and every day exercise more control.

The last hope for this to change, is Bitcoin.
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The last hope for this to change, is Bitcoin.

It is Time and Duration for bitcoin will lead to death if it becomes the medium of exchange https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7TLFyK_3Pk , it already does lead to it. Time and Duration is the only way to convert all jobs to be paid in the new crypto with ease, since everyone already works for time. It is the only way to distribute a currency equally among all participants. The next thing we need is decentralized voting.

Now that everyone is voting and everyone is creating the money supply, robots can take all the jobs because we all have two now, voting and creating the supply. 16 billion jobs created, you are welcome. Now vote where your tax dollars go so instead voting this guy to vote for you https://trumpgolfcount.com/ spending 105 million on golf, we can fucking house the homeless and create farm bots inside the houses for self sustaining society`s.

I know how to keep bitcoin relevant in this system, 3 different ways and fiat will be deleted.

This is Decentralized voting on a blockchain


This is Time/Duration/Basic Income (everyone creating the supply) prototype
https://bitswift.cash/

This is my idea for it, to make it even more legit


This is how to make sure everyone has 1 account, FILESHARING (WE CAN 50-100FA)
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I just am not smart enough to code it, perhaps some of the smart people you listed could create it and start sending it to every timebank that exist already.

https://community.timebanks.org/

ask me how to 50+FA if you need help *blockPOP* (with people doing it willingly)
ask me about anything in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5141142.0
ask me about how we can avoid almost all laws anywhere in the world, ask me how we can end up having more land than the entire united nations combined. (and avoid all laws)
ask me about how we can reach millions of people on livestreams in seconds


Then we will fucking win, we all win, even the people fucking us over currently there kids will end up winning.
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Today, looking for history books, Cypherpunk, I have come to the page of the Satoshi Nakamoto Institute.

Where there is a series of very interesting links, I hope you enjoy it.

Literature

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Bitcoin was not forged in a vacuum. These works serve to contextualize Bitcoin into the broader story of cryptography and freedom.

https://nakamotoinstitute.org/literature/

(Another day I will look for the commercial books, right now I find the Satoshi Institute page more interesting.)
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Nice!

Cypherpunks, extropians and anarchists — meet the radical characters behind cryptocurrencies
- https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-18/history-of-cryptocurrency-cypherpunks-extropians-bitcoin/11289788

Meet the Extropians
- https://www.wired.com/1994/10/extropians/

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In terms of general privacy and recent Cypherpunk history some of Moxie's talks, content and presentations are certainly interesting, entertaining and informative ...

Defcon 18 - Changing threats to privacy Moxie Marlinspike
- https://youtu.be/dBtmzY5gcO8
Context: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars

Meet Moxie Marlinspike, the Anarchist Bringing Encryption to All of Us
- https://www.wired.com/2016/07/meet-moxie-marlinspike-anarchist-bringing-encryption-us/

The following being, quite possibly two of the best blog posts the internet has to offer (to a bitcoiner) imho ...

Stories >> The Money Machine
- https://moxie.org/stories/money-machine/

Blog >> We Should All Have Something To Hide
- https://moxie.org/blog/we-should-all-have-something-to-hide/

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Many 'punks' seemingly gave up the 'good fight', became disenfranchised / maligned and/or sold out to 'the man' ...

It is perhaps tricky to realize what I mean by this in broad terms ... even with the best intentions ... these things just seemingly occur ...

Relative example (in relation to the above post) ...

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisper_Systems
... "Whisper Systems was an enterprise mobile security company that was co-founded by security researcher Moxie Marlinspike and roboticist Stuart Anderson in 2010. The company was acquired by Twitter in November 2011" ...


- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)
... "Open Whisper Systems' website was launched in January 2013" ...

... "On February 21, 2018, Moxie Marlinspike and WhatsApp co-founder Brian Acton announced the formation of the Signal Foundation, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization whose mission is "to support, accelerate, and broaden Signal’s mission of making private communication accessible and ubiquitous." The foundation was started with an initial $50 million in funding from Acton, who had left WhatsApp's parent company Facebook in September 2017" ...

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhatsApp
... "On November 18, 2014, Open Whisper Systems announced a partnership with WhatsApp to provide end-to-end encryption by incorporating the encryption protocol used in Signal into each WhatsApp client platform. Open Whisper Systems said that they had already incorporated the protocol into the latest WhatsApp client for Android, and that support for other clients, group/media messages, and key verification would be coming soon after." ...

...

The main point really being that WhatsApp use is currently much more commonplace than Signal software use!

Furthermore, enter future third party key decryption possibilities a.k.a 'virtual crocodile clips' ...

- https://bit-tech.net/news/tech/software/gchq-ncsc-call-for-end-to-end-encryption-back-door/1/
- https://www.lawfareblog.com/principles-more-informed-exceptional-access-debate

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Libra != Bitcoin

etc.,

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"The cypherpunk revolution"

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How the tech vanguard turned public-key cryptography into one of the most potent political ideas of the 21st century.

http://projects.csmonitor.com/cypherpunk

At first it looks like a sensationalist article, but as it progresses, it shows all the information.

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I found this article recently on David Chaum which credits the world's first blockchain https://decentralize.today/technology/blockchain/david-chaum-vault-system-first-blockchain
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My constant search at the beginning of Bitcointalk, today has led me to the first thread of Satoshi, I had seen it before and read it, but today and thanks to the fact that you published (here) in this thread, I noticed your publication in the thread of Satoshi (Welcome to the new Bitcoin forum!):

He is the first to greet Satoshi
Awesome !!! BitcoinFx

I never thought that as a rookie (Sep-2017) I would have the opportunity to cross a post with the first members of the forum.

Thx, BitcoinFx






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July 25, 2019, 06:47:26 PM
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What if BitcoinFx is satoshi?   Roll Eyes I actually think it is dooglus, or dooglus knows who it is. I seen to crazy of high amounts of btc played on just dice for that person not to be satoshi.
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