Bounty Campaigns deceiving hunters by changing rules? Read this!

[Greatchu]

This is impressive, its one of the solutions I've been praying for on this forum,by raising flags against bounty projects they will learn to adjust by force and bounty hunters will earn their respect back

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[Skieleton]

In case you are not aware yet, there is a trust flag system in this forum that you (bounty hunters) can use against these bounty campaigns for violations of contract. Check the quoted text below for reference.

Use-cases 2 and 3 will be handled by a new system of flags. You can create a flag using a link on a person's trust page.

A newbie-warning flag is active if there are more people supporting such a flag than opposing it. It shows a banner on topics started by the flagged user for guests and for users with less than 7 days of login time. For all users, a "#" is shown next to their trust scores.

For contractual violations only, a scammer flag can be created. This is the only thing which causes the "Warning: trade with extreme caution" warning to return. It also triggers a banner similar to the newbie-warning banner which is visible to all users. A scammer flag requires 3 more supporting users than opposing users to become active.

A new scammer flag should be created for each separate alleged incident. In the spirit of forgiveness/redemption, scammer flags expire 3 years after the incident if the contract was casual/implied, and 10 years after the incident if the contract was written. These expiration times might be administratively changed in specific cases.

Creating or supporting a scammer flag is actively affirming a set of pretty clear fact-statements. If someone knowingly supports a flag containing incorrect fact-statements, then that is crystal-clear abuse, and I will seek to have such people removed from DT ASAP. People who are habitually wrong, even not knowingly, should also be removed.

Only users in your trust network count as supporting or opposing flags. For guests, the default trust network is used.

I am not a lawyer but I think changing rules at the end of the campaign like suddenly requiring KYC before you can get your reward is an example of contract violations.

If you want to know how it looks like, check this flag created for TerraGreen

If in the future you see campaigns violating contracts, you can use the example above. Please be sure to provide the proper evidence.

Every rule change is bad and it should not take place ... KYC as for me is a donation collection of data about cryptocurrency users. Often, the data you need to provide is too dangerous ... Big give false data and what's the point?

[chanler]

This is often a controversial matter even among bounty hunters too. But beforehand, we must read first in the general rules on the bounty thread. Is there a statement about the rights of the bounty manager to change regulations. As long as the regulation is not too burdensome, it doesn't matter. However, of course, we also have the right to fight for our rights to continue to get the appropriate reward especially if we have worked hard.

[sidkz]

yes useful information, tired already cheat as they want,
I had a case, after the end of the bounty, they closed the telegram bounty, and the general group,
and then it turned out that their token went to his blockchain, and gave a week to replace the address,
they unsubscribed in the BTT stream,
I went several times and didn’t pay attention, I immediately went to the telegram link, and there nothing works,
thus left without tokens.

[triangles]

very good if there is a bounty like that, but in my opinion the Terragreen case can still be forgiven because the project that does not pay the bounty is the most outrageous and when there are no bounty-like flag systems like that, this can be used as a new project that bounties don't change the rules arbitrarily it is better to be clear at the beginning even though it is quiet compared to the project it hates at the end of the campaign.

[rosezionjohn]

I know a campaign that using the same method, my friend joined the campaign last year as a signature campaign member. And maybe you've heard about it, it called Adab.They seem suspicious to me, you can do your research on this if you want to. Like you said, they changed the rules at the end of the campaign.

I'm afraid nothing can be done on past campaigns. I created this thread for current and future campaigns and to inform hunters, who often complains, that they can do something about it if they can prove that damage has been done from campaign rule changes.

In my opinion, the manager who manages the bounty campaign has the right to change the rules of the campaign. as a bounty hunter must obey any changes made by the manager.

I hope I don't see you complain in the future.

[Argoo]

I am not a lawyer but I think changing rules at the end of the campaign like suddenly requiring KYC before you can get your reward is an example of contract violations.

I know a campaign that using the same method, my friend joined the campaign last year as a signature campaign member. And maybe you've heard about it, it called Adab.
They seem suspicious to me, you can do your research on this if you want to. Like you said, they changed the rules at the end of the campaign.

I also joined the bouting campaign of ICO ADAB - the first Islamic cryptocurrency bank, which was completed in late March. Although they constantly wrote that the KYC check would not be required, at the end of the campaign they changed this decision and demanded that everyone pass the KYC. Most likely, they were forced to do so by the prevailing circumstances, because the verification turned out to be relatively easy and without undue tension. They have not yet paid the tokens, we are waiting, but I do not think that there will be a deception here.

[I Like Bitcoin]

Now there are frequent cases when a project initially writes one thing, and when it comes time to pay coins to bounty hunters, the project drastically changes the conditions and begins to demand something.

[spydee1522]

I understand how most bounty hunters feel whennit comes to changing bounty rules at the end of bounty campaigns and what I do ask most bounty hunters is, do they really read bounty rules before starting it? If not, then they should start doing so because most bounty managers indicates that the bounty rules are subject to change and if it does happen that way, we should just accept because we were told before.

[pixie85]

In my opinion, the manager who manages the bounty campaign has the right to change the rules of the campaign. as a bounty hunter must obey any changes made by the manager.

Great idea. How about the we change the rules in the end to say that all your work was charity and the manager doesn't have to pay you? Will you accept that and say that it was his right to do so? Managers can change the rules but only to some extent. They have their own responsibilities and you have yours.

[Anonylz]

I think it was a great idea pointing this out for those who are not aware of this, the only thing i found disturbing is when it is written that "the team reserve the right to change rules of campaign at anytime" which directly means a campaign can decide to request for kyc from hunters in mid campaign or ending of campaign because of this rules,
I don't know if anything can be done after openly stating such rules.

[deathcode]

I think it was a great idea pointing this out for those who are not aware of this, the only thing i found disturbing is when it is written that "the team reserve the right to change rules of campaign at anytime" which directly means a campaign can decide to request for kyc from hunters in mid campaign or ending of campaign because of this rules,
I don't know if anything can be done after openly stating such rules.

yes, it is indeed unpleasant, and it sounds inclined to them not to appreciate the work of the bounty hunter. they campaigned with the rules they made and it turned out they changed it themselves. isn't that very unpleasant. even though now we all know that, and understand that.

[rosezionjohn]

I think it was a great idea pointing this out for those who are not aware of this, the only thing i found disturbing is when it is written that "the team reserve the right to change rules of campaign at anytime" which directly means a campaign can decide to request for kyc from hunters in mid campaign or ending of campaign because of this rules,
I don't know if anything can be done after openly stating such rules.

That is what we are trying to address here. Hunters should still be paid for their work whether they can complete KYC or not. If companies refuse to pay in tokens, they could at least pay in eth or btc. Besides, KYC is common now and companies should have known that before they started a campaign. Why does it have to be at the end of the campaign before they consult their lawyers if KYC is required or not?

[stoat]

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[guydin]

In my opinion, the manager who manages the bounty campaign has the right to change the rules of the campaign. as a bounty hunter must obey any changes made by the manager.

Great idea. How about the we change the rules in the end to say that all your work was charity and the manager doesn't have to pay you? Will you accept that and say that it was his right to do so? Managers can change the rules but only to some extent. They have their own responsibilities and you have yours.

That's the reason why we call them bounty managers, not you. Bounty manager is responsible to manage the whole bounty campaign and they are depend on the team, no way to convince each bounty hunter one by one, to be honest.

The fact is that at the moment there are no clear rules for regulating the distribution of coins and as a result, the project team can act as it wants. There are also options for reducing the cost of project management - Bounty managers can use all sorts of tricks. You need to look for campaigns with reports and a fixed number of participants, otherwise, there is simply no point in wasting time.

[Folajuwon56]

The fact that Bounty Managers have the right to change the rules and regulations at any time doesn't mean it's convenient for bounty hunters. Most times, that act of changing rules always makes it difficult for hunters to claim thier tokens. To me, it's an act of cheating.

[fortunecrypto]

I support the flag for the simple that they want all bounty hunters to claim their token, this practice has to be stopped from delaying bounty to doing KYC to locking the token, this practice must be stopped it's ok to change the rules but not in a way that bounty hunters will not get their token or will have a hard time claiming it.

[pedpedped101]

Since bounty participants now have such privilege and if cheating managers know about it, they will be afraid of cheating or taking any action that will cause the loss of their reputations, because all the cheated hunters will come into agreement to write against their actions.

[arufox]

I agree changing the rules is an example of contract violations. Some project say in rules, manager or team can change everything in the first thread. This is like talking twice. He say not required kyc but if he change it doesn't violate the rules, because change is also in the rules

[rachman mahesa]

I as a bounty hunter is also confused. Sometimes the rules are suddenly changed by the manager, but before that the regulations can also be changed at any time. Here I don't blame the manager. Because the Manager also follows instructions from the project team. If the regulations changed are certainly not a problem, but what I'm confused about is the regulation for KYC. At the beginning it is not said that a bounty hunter is needed KYC, suddenly at the end of the campaign the bounty hunter must do so to claim their prize. If not many people know this, they will lose what they should get. This is what makes me sad.