"Who is Satoshi?" Should we put an end to this discussion?

[Bitcoinqubit]

I don`t know but if he comes back he could charge people for his signature using bitcoin. They send him .1 and he sends them .01 back from the genesis address or the 2nd address, I would do it. I wonder of those bitcoins would sell for more lol.

Anyways AA is right, it does not matter who made it, rather what it is and what it does, verifying with math or trusting 3rd party, I think everyone picks the first option.... But you can`t blame people for wanting to know who created it, I would want to know just for the sake if the person is alive or not, I really do think some people killed him and possibly Hal, also I would like to know just to give them a kudos, I would also like to know because if the person is dead I have start learning to code asap, For we know the end of bitcoin and gold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7TLFyK_3Pk with the huntercoin simulation of them.

Also I think in the first sentence of the white paper bitcoin was not really meant to be traded for fiat, I think it`s goal was to become the new medium of exchange, for USD and EURO is a financial institution, it was also meant to be traded p2p but most of the trades happen 3rd party on exchanges so it kind of failed there a little. (well it did not fail the morons who trade it for more $cam failed lol)

when visa and paypal and other shit out there like governments BAN WIKI LEAKS and agents its even dont interest them that they ban wiki leaks at last say something or stand with wiki leaks yet the agents dont give a damn shit with their shitty salary and dumb people which-->>

WikiLeaks is a website that publishes secret documents revealing the misconduct of governments and corporations. In its first year, WikiLeaks published more than 1.2 million secret documents. These documents revealed classified information about countries and corporations around the globe, spilling sensitive secrets about major conflicts and human rights abuses.

the minds behind wiki leaks get to conclusion something very fishy as hell, damn what is going out there...

this is why bitcoin and cicada was burn...

someone from wiki leaks hinted that if you will take the top agents from fbi and other countries they all will fail to pass the tests which pass to get inside this huge team which operate on a global scale,  99.99% they will fail.

i will put the link to this hint as he before even bitcoin came

[Slow death]

ask this question: "  Should we put an end to this discussion? " is a question that should not even be asked. because while no one find satoshi Nakamoto, the search for him, the curiosity to know who is him, will never end. There is no way people stop looking for satoshi nakamoto. Most people have the following question: " why satoshi disappeared? " this is something people would ask if they found satoshi.

[Yassin]

we all always ask who is satoshi, and I think we all know who satoshi is with his work that creates Bitcoin and we all already know what Bitcoin is, now almost everyone knows Bitcoin, and what is important is our discussion here not to close this forum, but how do we discuss how Bitcoin for the future can truly change the world as expected by satoshi..

[seoincorporation]

What about you, guys? Please share your opinions.

I think this is why bitcoin works and why it becomes that popular, the open source code and the beauty behind his maths make people trust on it. And about satoshi identity, if we care or not there is no way to know the truth, so make that question is a waste of time, is like trying to solve a puzzle without puzzle pieces. I think is a waste of time, and i personally have stopped making this question to myself.

[Bitcoinqubit]

we all always ask who is satoshi, and I think we all know who satoshi is with his work that creates Bitcoin and we all already know what Bitcoin is, now almost everyone knows Bitcoin, and what is important is our discussion here not to close this forum, but how do we discuss how Bitcoin for the future can truly change the world as expected by satoshi..

in other words if you ask who is behind name x that sent  some info* journalist by the minds of wiki leaks, you already in the wrong direction, not to mention how much out there projects that was done and all of them under one name, the problem is not satoshi team the problem is people very uneducated and far away from figure out simple things how they work,

very simple, ask the topest minds on the web they will say satoshi is team and even put you to some place where their was hint that this kind of tech is come...

when you see info like this people either blind or to much dumb EVEN anonymous the group do projects under one name hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Wikileaks, Peer-to-Peer and cryptography, and the literary underground : Can the freedom of speech be absolute?
by -- Takushi OTANI
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WikiLeaks is a website that publishes secret documents revealing the misconduct of governments and corporations. In its first year, WikiLeaks published more than 1.2 million secret documents. These documents revealed classified information about countries and corporations around the globe, spilling sensitive secrets about major conflicts and human rights abuses.

state-of-the-art encryption(cryptography), peer-to-peer file sharing, and the internet itself – is what makes it possible for WikiLeaks to release millions of secret documents at once.
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How cryptography and peer to peer tech is a key weapon in the fight against empire states -- Julian Assange said this.
said before bitcoin come to the world
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shitty people always try to steal great projects until smart people debunk their fake shit ass..
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DONT TRY TO SEARCH THE NAME ITS LEAD NO WHERE ALSO WITH OUTHER PROJECTS DONE OVER THE WEB

[Bitcoinqubit]

What about you, guys? Please share your opinions.

I think this is why bitcoin works and why it becomes that popular, the open source code and the beauty behind his maths make people trust on it. And about satoshi identity, if we care or not there is no way to know the truth, so make that question is a waste of time, is like trying to solve a puzzle without puzzle pieces. I think is a waste of time, and i personally have stopped making this question to myself.

also some of the minds of wiki leaks not only mention and hint about bitcoin which is not new tech and mix of tech that already exist , they also hint about operation like cicada 3301

Not to mention the paper that closely resembles an outline of Bitcoin having been written up in 1996 by the NSA. https://archive.org/details/CryptographyOfAnonymousElectronicCash

IN ICO phase one of the recommendations was to make sure the team was well known before buying, as an anonymous team would indicate suspicion. Yet somehow Satoshi team escaped this suspicion even though nobody knows who they are.

[dothebeats]

For me, it doesn't really matter who satoshi is as long as he never comes back. He/she/they could be anyone, literally, and if they decide to come back without us knowing that they were some super shady, nefarious beings then I guess it's game over. Personally, as long as the protocol works perfectly and the visions of Satoshi is fulfilled, we can let them be and just continue with what we're doing while we're at it and improve the system if there needs something to be improved. But of course, we should always recognize what he/she/they did, and we can do that without constantly asking their real identity is because that's their right after all.

[Bitcoinqubit]

For me, it doesn't really matter who satoshi is as long as he never comes back. He/she/they could be anyone, literally, and if they decide to come back without us knowing that they were some super shady, nefarious beings then I guess it's game over. Personally, as long as the protocol works perfectly and the visions of Satoshi is fulfilled, we can let them be and just continue with what we're doing while we're at it and improve the system if there needs something to be improved. But of course, we should always recognize what he/she/they did, and we can do that without constantly asking their real identity is because that's their right after all.

its not about if it dosent matter or not,

at last if people interesting what goes on the web and what the root cause for something on the web they need put the right info rather then create fictions and silly post and other shit.

there are tons out there projects that done on th web which all of them under one name...

just know wiki leaks works in this manner -- under one name which lead no where

and a lot of people that behind wiki leaks hinted about bitcoin tech is coming they also hinted about cicada 3301,

the problem is the people is far away from be educated to trace simple things here its more medium stuff ,

and when you trace it right its interesting ...

for example ALL THIS FORUM AND NO BODY CAN FIND THIS LLINK
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Not to mention the paper that closely resembles an outline of Bitcoin having been written up in 1996 by the NSA. https://archive.org/details/CryptographyOfAnonymousElectronicCash

IN ICO phase one of the recommendations was to make sure the team was well known before buying, as an anonymous team would indicate suspicion. Yet somehow Satoshi team escaped this suspicion even though nobody knows who they are.

[Bitcoinqubit]

cicada 3301 and exposed few emails from winners,  - not shit youtuber and d0ne very professionally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Pr89bZo9M&t=1544s

14:29 - 16:10 min -- leaked email from winner 2012 which say they are international team around the globe. also -- said liberty ,privacy,security, cash.

and we will happy to be with us for future project.


said liberty ,privacy,security, cash**--

wiki leaks also mention few times they need huge cash flow to keep this giant project and other projects which come and wiki leaks its the biggest project in the entire history ,


not only this all of the people that talk about that peer to peer and cryptgraphy tech will make finical freedom as i put few of them the other i dont expose as smart people know how to get to this people, they hinted about it and also about cicada 3301 as they searched to find new people around the world to join them.

all this forum and no body find this simple link yet they all day long out put the non sense and crap inside their head....simple link
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Not to mention the paper that closely resembles an outline of Bitcoin having been written up in 1996 by the NSA. https://archive.org/details/CryptographyOfAnonymousElectronicCash

IN ICO phase one of the recommendations was to make sure the team was well known before buying, as an anonymous team would indicate suspicion. Yet somehow Satoshi team escaped this suspicion even though nobody knows who they are.

you so fucking uneducated its unbelievable
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search on the web

Wikileaks, Peer-to-Peer and cryptography, and the literary underground : Can the freedom of speech be absolute?
by -- Takushi OTANI really was way before bitcoin come**
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someone else said this try to trace who behind this statement:

WikiLeaks is a website that publishes secret documents revealing the misconduct of governments and corporations. In its first year, WikiLeaks published more than 1.2 million secret documents. These documents revealed classified information about countries and corporations around the globe, spilling sensitive secrets about major conflicts and human rights abuses.

state-of-the-art encryption(cryptography), peer-to-peer file sharing, and the internet itself – is what makes it possible for WikiLeaks to release millions of secret documents at once.
===================================================================================
How cryptography and peer to peer tech is a key weapon in the fight against empire states -- Julian Assange said this.
said before bitcoin come to the world
====================================================================================

shitty people always try to steal great projects until smart people debunk their fake shit ass..
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[Nonemoon]

There is a theory that we, Homo Sapiens, became number one among all the living things on Earth because we love to gossip, which allows us to co-operate in large numbers. So, maybe it's in our genes, and that's why, I have to admit, I, too, still want to know who the real Satoshi is, how much money does he have, who is he married to, etc. But is it really that important?

In the documentary 'Bitcoin: The End of Money as We Know It' Andreas M. Antonopoulos is saying the following words:

"Who is Euclid? We don't know. We don't know if Euclid was one person or multiple people. And you know what? It doesn't matter. Euclidean geometry works whether I know who Euclid was or not. Whether Euclid was a moral and good person or whether he was a corrupt plutocrat and a bastard. Science and mathematics have essential truth that stands alone irrespective of its inventors and irrespective of their motives. Well, Bitcoin is a system based on mathematical truths, and these mathematical truths stand alone. We can read the source code in Bitcoin and understand it, and it will be true whether Satoshi Nakamoto is a man, a woman, a collection of individuals, a government agency or aliens from the future."
- Andreas M. Antonopoulos - 'Bitcoin: The End of Money as We Know It' (00:39:04)

I tend to agree with those words.

What about you, guys? Please share your opinions.

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rip usd,euro, and other shit out there soon...-->>

when the room is full of people which dont know to figure out simple*  things not talking about medium and complex pazzels  its huge shit yet smart people DEBUNK THE*M FAST , the same with the web which dominated by scams and other shit information and come from people with fake credibility...which are far away from the truth and dont know trace simple things not taking about complex operation like wiki leaks and bitcoin and other great underground projects.
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Not to mention the paper that closely resembles an outline of Bitcoin having been written up in 1996 by the NSA. https://archive.org/details/CryptographyOfAnonymousElectronicCash

IN ICO phase one of the recommendations was to make sure the team was well known before buying, as an anonymous team would indicate suspicion. Yet somehow Satoshi team escaped this suspicion even though nobody knows who they are.
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search on the web

Wikileaks, Peer-to-Peer and cryptography, and the literary underground : Can the freedom of speech be absolute?
by -- Takushi OTANI
================================================================================
someone else said this try to trace who behind this statement:

WikiLeaks is a website that publishes secret documents revealing the misconduct of governments and corporations. In its first year, WikiLeaks published more than 1.2 million secret documents. These documents revealed classified information about countries and corporations around the globe, spilling sensitive secrets about major conflicts and human rights abuses.

state-of-the-art encryption(cryptography), peer-to-peer file sharing, and the internet itself – is what makes it possible for WikiLeaks to release millions of secret documents at once.
===================================================================================
How cryptography and peer to peer tech is a key weapon in the fight against empire states -- Julian Assange said this.
said before bitcoin come to the world
====================================================================================

shitty people always try to steal great projects until smart people debunk their fake shit ass..
===========================================================================

I almost stay away from any type forums the reason because to much bullshit, I am expert in blockchain, cryptography and great coder.

Someone directed me to this post and I know how much non sense posts and information on this forum , and was thinking the same about your post without even checking ,

I did very deep research about all this stuff and you was right, all the siginals lead to wiki leaks.

And yes the NSA was working on something similar in 1996,

From the moment I saw this link I know there is something in your post because no body ever posted here this type of info.

[Betwrong]

It does matter, for all we know bitcoin was created as a testing ground for a global currency that the elites want to be in control of.  Maybe one day we could launch a community coin that is fair for everyone this time.

This coin has been created already, and it's name is Bitcoin. That's what Andreas M. Antonopoulos is talking about in the text I quoted in the OP. No elite can control Bitcoin blockchain because it is under control of the greatest power on Earth, which is mathematics.

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From the moment I saw this link I know there is something in your post because no body ever posted here this type of info.

Have you just created an account to support another one of yours. That's funny.

[davis196]

A discussion is considered "ended" or not only if you want or don't want to participate in it.
If you don't want to participate in the "Who is Satoshi?" discussion,just  ignore it.We can't stop it just like that.Hundreds of newbies are entering the bitcoin world everyday and they continue to ask the same question."Who is Satoshi?"
For me,it's pretty clear that we will never find out...

[TimeBits]

For me,it's pretty clear that we will never find out...

I think we will, We may never find out who they are, but I think they will and are still active in the development or will be in a future coin again similar to bitcoin.  I think they will become active on this forum again, but will never know the identity of them until we live their blockchain in the timeless realm. We will just know they are alive. Anyways, that is what matters to me although I really would love to meet and talk to them in person and thank them for their service in person, just knowing they are alive would be cool. I don`t even care if it is the nsa, fb`s zuck or whatever and I am probably the biggest anti current goverment and anti current establishment and anti current banking system, person you will see. I still would be able to look past even if JP MORGAN and the Rockefeller`s and the FED created it.  I don`t think other countries would though. I mean it probably is the USA goverment let`s be real, they can find a guy hiding in a cave, they can find a person on the Internet. Even if they did vpn I don`t think they would stand a chance by NSA. Unless they are living in the middle east wearing a full burka hiding in a cave, inside of another cave with no internet or computer around lol come on now.

[Vishnu.Reang]

You can't compare Satoshi with Euclid. The later lived and died thousands of years ago, and now it is impossible to find more information about him. But the case with Satoshi Nakamoto is different. There is a good possibility that the individual (or a group of individuals) who is known to us as Satoshi Nakamoto is still alive. Therefore it is possible to find his real identity.

[Daniel91]

No way that we can finish this discussion because people will always be courious about it and ask this question over and over again.
We will always come to the same conclusion, we don't know who is Satoshi and wll never find out unless Satoshi decides to reveal his identity, what will never happen in my opinion.
Satoshi cares about his privacy very well.

[Nonemoon]

It does matter, for all we know bitcoin was created as a testing ground for a global currency that the elites want to be in control of.  Maybe one day we could launch a community coin that is fair for everyone this time.

This coin has been created already, and it's name is Bitcoin. That's what Andreas M. Antonopoulos is talking about in the text I quoted in the OP. No elite can control Bitcoin blockchain because it is under control of the greatest power on Earth, which is mathematics.

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From the moment I saw this link I know there is something in your post because no body ever posted here this type of info.

Have you just created an account to support another one of yours. That's funny.

Betwrong

sorry to say I not him and somebody else here said that meadhead account also connected to me, someone just directed me to his posts about wiki leaks and cicada 3301 and I know this kind of forums is full of crap information and non sense.
so I checked his history just to get the idea who behind the account and what weird he disappeared because he was very active?, and I was amazed from the information he provided, he also love to help and bring light.

what really weird he and few other almost in the same time said that xrp is going to crash while xrp was 0.44 and slowly go up to 0.50-60, what shooked me they was right xrp crashed very hard and they probably did huge chunk of money if they was short.

not only bitcoinqubit also few others said this several times that xrp going to crash hard,

bitcoinqubit said it several times in this manner, watch the huge curve taking down xrp and few times while everybody in their non sense and the crap is going here, check his history you will find it.

and who make deep research get to simple facts that wiki leaks,cicada 3301,bitcoin they all connected to each other.

few emails that was leaked about cicada 3301 by winners from 2012 clealry show the connection, as cicada speak about cash and privacy and freedom, do the research yourself and see.

and i very rarely support any one in this industry because most of them scams include here or rather selfish which very bad from economical point of view.

wiki leaks few time said they going to make huge operation to find new people to join them.
they also mention that visa and paypal and other big companies ban them which mean bitcoin solve all their problems.

for some its the same if it one person or team, but some want to know the source.

[squatter]

The protocol stands on its own. I hope he's never identified. Otherwise Bitcoin might have its own Vitalik Buterin.

Also I think in the first sentence of the white paper bitcoin was not really meant to be traded for fiat, I think it`s goal was to become the new medium of exchange, for USD and EURO is a financial institution, it was also meant to be traded p2p but most of the trades happen 3rd party on exchanges so it kind of failed there a little.

That seems like a misinterpretation. Bitcoin was intended to be a trustless medium of exchange yes, but that doesn't mean it wasn't intended to be traded for fiat. This is from Satoshi's early writings on the forum:

If it somehow acquired any value at all for whatever reason, then anyone wanting to transfer wealth over a long distance could buy some, transmit it, and have the recipient sell it.

[Betwrong]

You can't compare Satoshi with Euclid. The later lived and died thousands of years ago, and now it is impossible to find more information about him. But the case with Satoshi Nakamoto is different. There is a good possibility that the individual (or a group of individuals) who is known to us as Satoshi Nakamoto is still alive. Therefore it is possible to find his real identity.

I think the most important part of Antonopoulos' words is the following:

"Euclidean geometry works whether I know who Euclid was or not. Whether Euclid was a moral and good person or whether he was a corrupt plutocrat and a bastard."

Although, there is, indeed, a good possibility of finding out who Satoshi is, this information is irrelevant regarding the future of Bitcoin.

Let me explain my point with an example. If a big luxury hotel was built by company X, and later it becomes known that this company consisted of terrorists, it is very important because there can be a bomb somewhere inside the hotel. But we all know that there is no bomb in Bitcoin source code, and that's why it doesn't matter who created it.

Of course, I will be forever grateful to the Satoshi who wrote the Bitcoin white paper, But I also know that people change, and thus, even if someone proves that it was him, it is not necessary to obey the new version of Satoshi, 10 years later.

[Coyster]

Maybe this kind if discussion here won't end but finding who is Satoshi is not really necessary. It's hard to find someone who doesn't want to be found. He or she or they decided to hide their identity with that name so its not like they'll just come up in the public claiming they are Satoshi.

And we have had quite a number of attention seekers claiming to be satoshi, but none has come forward with sufficient prove to back up their claims.

I actually doubt if there are still active research on satoshi's identity, it's now obvious that the network can work fairly superb without him/her/they.
We just have to make good use of this network and ought to be glad satoshi made all this possible.

[everlyn]

I think we'll never know who he is.