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March 15, 2014, 03:03:01 PM
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March 15, 2014, 03:07:20 PM
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The arguments for Ponzi scams are supported by nothig more than semantics at this point.  The people that support Ponzi schemes call them "games" because they claim to have full knowledge of what the definition of a Ponzi scheme is, but choose to send money to them anyway.  It doesn't really matter what they are called or how many people support them.  A scam is a scam.  You can call it a "game" but supporting them only encourages more.  The gambling aspect is that you don't really know when the operator is going to stop paying people out.  You're gambling that the money you risk will be paid back.  It wouldn't be a gamble if they were always paid back every single time.  However that is the aspect of Ponzi scams that is unsustainable.  At some point payouts will stop and the Ponzi scam operator will abscond with the funds.

In that regard, it's not a victimless crime - and make no mistake, stealing someone's money is illegal everywhere.  So it's not fun or cute to support a scam that is built upon an unsustainable model that eventually,  and always, steals money from someone else.  I can't believe this even has to be explained that stealing is wrong.  Even if you have profited from it or you personally haven't been stolen from (yet) supporting Ponzi scams, it is still absolutely intrinsically wrong.  To argue the opposite is to argue from an incorrect perspective.  QED.



Very well said

Not really, notice how he hasn't replied to my question.
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March 15, 2014, 03:08:03 PM
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The arguments for Ponzi scams are supported by nothig more than semantics at this point.  The people that support Ponzi schemes call them "games" because they claim to have full knowledge of what the definition of a Ponzi scheme is, but choose to send money to them anyway.  It doesn't really matter what they are called or how many people support them.  A scam is a scam.  You can call it a "game" but supporting them only encourages more.  The gambling aspect is that you don't really know when the operator is going to stop paying people out.  You're gambling that the money you risk will be paid back.  It wouldn't be a gamble if they were always paid back every single time.  However that is the aspect of Ponzi scams that is unsustainable.  At some point payouts will stop and the Ponzi scam operator will abscond with the funds.

In that regard, it's not a victimless crime - and make no mistake, stealing someone's money is illegal everywhere.  So it's not fun or cute to support a scam that is built upon an unsustainable model that eventually,  and always, steals money from someone else.  I can't believe this even has to be explained that stealing is wrong.  Even if you have profited from it or you personally haven't been stolen from (yet) supporting Ponzi scams, it is still absolutely intrinsically wrong.  To argue the opposite is to argue from an incorrect perspective.  QED.


Are you mental? A ponzi doesn't mean the owner HAS to run away, it means (this is from dictionary.com):    a fraudulent investment operation that pays quick returns to initial contributors using money from subsequent contributors rather than profit
It doesn't mean its a scam, it means that earlier people get paid more. It is exactly the same risk of a bitcoin gambling website. When a gambling website turns out to be a scam, people call it a scam, even though it worked out in the beginning, and maybe promising a little bonus for the first couple people, and everyone gets mad and goes crazy, even the people that weren't even part of it. When a ponzi game website turns out to be a scam, the people that were scammed are still mad, but the people who weren't just laugh.
The point of games like these with new rounds, its a game where you have to try to invest first, and the first 75% of people win the game. I have been part of the last 25%, so I have given my money back to the community, but I have been mostly part of the 75%, about 75% of the time.

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March 15, 2014, 03:08:53 PM
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Becuase he does not respond to your questions its not wells said  Roll Eyes

Mooo shill mooo


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March 15, 2014, 03:15:24 PM
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Becuase he does not respond to your questions its not wells said  Roll Eyes

Mooo shill mooo



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Ponzi hater #2-  "I like turtles"
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March 15, 2014, 03:16:55 PM
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I do like turtles

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March 15, 2014, 03:33:45 PM
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Are you mental?
Ad hominem

[...] it means (this is from dictionary.com):    a fraudulent investment operation that pays quick returns to initial contributors using money from subsequent contributors rather than profit
It doesn't mean its a scam...
Reductio ad absurdum

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March 15, 2014, 03:47:31 PM
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Are you mental?
Ad hominem

[...] it means (this is from dictionary.com):    a fraudulent investment operation that pays quick returns to initial contributors using money from subsequent contributors rather than profit
It doesn't mean its a scam...
Reductio ad absurdum

Translation - I know I'm wrong so instead of a real response I'll just post some latin phrases.

Adversus solem ne loquitor
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March 15, 2014, 04:15:20 PM
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Are you mental?
Ad hominem

[...] it means (this is from dictionary.com):    a fraudulent investment operation that pays quick returns to initial contributors using money from subsequent contributors rather than profit
It doesn't mean its a scam...
Reductio ad absurdum

Translation - I know I'm wrong so instead of a real response I'll just post some latin phrases.

Adversus solem ne loquitor
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March 15, 2014, 04:47:34 PM
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Accuses other people of running scams, runs scam himself. GG riverboat. Where is the provable fairness?
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March 15, 2014, 04:56:20 PM
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Find it its there, sheeple

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Adversus solem ne loquitor

The irony, it burns...

The reason I didn't respond to you earlier is that it has obviously been pointless to convince you that stealing is wrong.  I hope that you come to understand that one day.  But, in any event, there's your response.

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March 15, 2014, 06:06:15 PM
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Adversus solem ne loquitor

The irony, it burns...

The reason I didn't respond to you earlier is that it has obviously been pointless to convince you that stealing is wrong.  I hope that you come to understand that one day.  But, in any event, there's your response.

I agree with you that stealing is wrong but there is no evidence that these ponzi operators all plan to run off with the money, they don't need to as they charge a fee.

If someone was operating a feeless one then I'd agree with you. I'd also agree with what you said if it was regarding HYIP's such as leancy as they are very deceptive, but not with sites such as ponzicoin.com , weeklyponzi.com + ponzimatic.net which are the ones being accused of fraud in this thread.
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March 15, 2014, 06:21:31 PM
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Weeklyponzi website is now offline. If this is because of RiverBoatBTC's reporting I hope he understands he is compromising lots of peoples deposits (including mine)

I hope you will refund everyone if it turns out to be your fault Smiley
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March 15, 2014, 06:35:17 PM
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Why was it taken offline if it was legal and just a game? Answer me that? Huh
What Responsibility do I have to anyone it is not I who held the coins....

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Why was it taken offline if it was legal and just a game? Answer me that? Huh
What Responsibility do I have to anyone it is not I who held the coins....

Maybe because you told them its illegal? It obviously isn't but perhaps the host doesn't know that.

It is you who made the bullshit reports possibly causing loss of coins. There was about 50 people or more still waiting payment now you just ruined it for them (if its offline because of the report, can't know for sure yet)
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March 15, 2014, 06:42:30 PM
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Good job river, but goodnluck with taking them all down

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