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I'll start tagging the participants, let's see where it ends ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) EDIT1: Tagged all members that applied on the first page, will do 2nd page tomorrow. Sent you a PM, I was already planning to remove my application when I found out they have an open scam accusation but the thread was locked, can't edit it and I have to wait 24 hours before removing. I only manage to remove it now but you already tag me, please remove the tag, as you can see, I was not already wearing the signature before you posted here. edit : thanks Hhampuz
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July 20, 2019, 11:17:37 AM |
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Most users don't even read the posts they are replying too, so I think it is possible that some of those people who applied didn't make any kind of research before applying, just looked at the payment and applied.
Of course, they are doing this on their own risk of getting tagged or damaging their reputation.
Also, as Hhampuz, a reputable manager, was managing the campaign before, and he gives the campaign credibility (even for the new one). Few people ever read Reputation board, so they probably do not know what happened.
A user could have been rejected by Hhampuz, and he saw an opportunity to join now this new campaign.
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July 20, 2019, 11:21:48 AM |
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Another reason why I feel signature campaign participants who support such campaigns are a disgrace to the community Now, we have additional 20+ members, which are victims of this case, because of the lost spots in a great campaign, with one of the highest payouts. There was a big chance, that it will be ongoing for a very long time. Don't mention all the future members, which could get a spot, after some time and earn a few additional bucks, when posting on the forum. We all know, how everything is changing constantly in the signature campaigns.
All this retard cares about is losing a spot in the signature campaign and not the competency of the business to steal millions in the near future. I wonder where are they getting money to payout for signatures? Obviously, from their another victim's account.
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July 20, 2019, 11:25:40 AM |
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Another reason why I feel signature campaign participants who support such campaigns are a disgrace to the community Now, we have additional 20+ members, which are victims of this case, because of the lost spots in a great campaign, with one of the highest payouts. There was a big chance, that it will be ongoing for a very long time. Don't mention all the future members, which could get a spot, after some time and earn a few additional bucks, when posting on the forum. We all know, how everything is changing constantly in the signature campaigns.
All this retard cares about is losing a spot in the signature campaign and not the competency of the business to steal millions in the near future. I wonder where are they getting money to payout for signatures? Obviously, from their another victim's account. Stop spewing bullshit about things of which you know nothing about.
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July 20, 2019, 11:28:56 AM |
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Also, as Hhampuz, a reputable manager, was managing the campaign before, and he gives the campaign credibility (even for the new one). Few people ever read Reputation board, so they probably do not know what happened.
A user could have been rejected by Hhampuz, and he saw an opportunity to join now this new campaign. You make a good point. I'll start tagging the participants, let's see where it ends ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I think this is a bit harsh, just 11 days after you gave LiveCoin positive feedback.
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July 20, 2019, 11:31:40 AM |
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My positive stands, it has nothing to do with anything else besides what I referenced in it (The fact they entrusted me with ~0.5 BTC each week for many weeks), and it was smooth to deal with them. People kept talking about tagging the participants, or shaming them, without acting so I might as well do it.
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July 20, 2019, 11:36:47 AM Last edit: July 20, 2019, 01:08:50 PM by Vadi2323 |
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The drama is here again, too much hate for the Livecoin campaign as what is noticed.
Whose multi account are you? Call your name! ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FcRWXckOqCDs%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&t=665&c=ARuwYBO_UHU1kQ)
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July 20, 2019, 12:27:15 PM |
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People kept talking about tagging the participants, or shaming them, without acting so I might as well do it.
Start tagging them just from now maybe a bit harsh, atleast let them know and warn them for few hours, if they denied your warning and still wearing their signature then you might start tagging them.(just my opinion)
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July 20, 2019, 12:34:27 PM |
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People kept talking about tagging the participants, or shaming them, without acting so I might as well do it.
Start tagging them just from now maybe a bit harsh, atleast let them know and warn them for few hours, if they denied your warning and still wearing their signature then you might start tagging them.(just my opinion) Isn't tagging them also a way of warning them? I mean those tags can be removed or changed to neutral anytime the issue with that account is resolved. In this case, withdrawing from the signature campaign.
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I'll start tagging the participants, let's see where it ends ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Livecoin.net Scam June 28, 2019, 07:53:19 PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124985.msg51768566#msg51768566 - campaign was closed on July 09, 2019, 11:15:54 PM Tag yourself at first for promoting "scam" for 11 days. Or maybe you would tag Sportsbet.io signature members (we have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 opened Scam Accusations) (it's in 5 times more than against Livecoin) I'll be working towards finding a solution and trying to mend LiveCoins reputation as that seems like more of a challenge than just pointing fingers and exercising a feeling of power. But that might just be me, as long as I'm on DT (I've messaged theymos about blacklisting me) I will counter any negative given to participants in the LiveCoin campaign.
The only thing that i really hate in people it is hypocrisyThat's funny how another "trusted" member like Yahoo telling us about blacklist or something, but forgot to ask Buzzshow project (Bounty of which was managed by him. And i think, our Justice warrior got paid in BTC, not buzz tokens) where the money for bounty participants (we didn't get paid after 1 YEAR lol). Of course not, project was succesfull (for Yahoo i guess.) and he didn't fucking care about anything related to this. The second funny moment is how our "trusted" member which were butthurting about KYC, Coinbase tax bills, FBI and others now crying "Livecoin ToC against law" (double lol, hyper mega lol). Guys, tell me for honest, how many of you paying income taxes for your crypto profit? Maybe Yahoo for his business, or Hrampuz? Why not? You're reffering to some kind of law. Then show me that you are eligible to say such words. Because without it it's very funny: "If something is good for me (avoiding taxes) than fuck the goverment, if not - Trumpy, please save us from this rude russians in offshores"It's all without a fact, that all this situation was started by a scammer who want open MONA deposit/withdrawals. In russian topic about livecoin most of "victims" is red trusted noobs which recently started to write. Most of reputable (really reputable, not like some english "trusted-for-200-dollars-loan" members) russian local members ignoring that situation (i don't mean ignoring as ignoring, english language doesn't have proper term (or i don't know him lol)). It's real problem, because 90 % of english board members didn't even saw alive russian in real life, all the more so to understand thinking patterns of slavs. Unlike people which live in postUSSR (me, Vadi2323, TheFuzzStone, Alex_Sr and others) Don't you think that all this situation is weird, because all "victims" is russians with noob accounts?
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July 20, 2019, 01:20:05 PM |
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People kept talking about tagging the participants, or shaming them, without acting so I might as well do it.
You asked yourself to be blacklisted IIRC, but now you are tagging accounts for participating a campaign which you think is shady. I understand you are in DT2 now, so is this your strategy to misuse the trust system to be distrusted and finally out in the DT circle? Tagging livecoin account is acceptable since there are evidence, but tagging participants? looks like a trust abuse to me. Please use the trust system properly, is your tag falls to this definition ( Negative - You think that trading with this person is high-risk.)? Everyone can support an exchange even if it's shady as long as it's not illegal IMO, crypto in general is also shady due to lack of regulation. Remember you are a campaign manager and made money with livecoin during your time and you also owe that to the participants as you are paid based on their number of posts, you are acting weird lately Hhampuz, sorry to say that. I would salute you if you do the same with other campaign which has negative rating, like sportsbet and bitcasino since they are the only active now. Attaching the spreadsheet to make it easy for you. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RWUX_cvehsv1YWm1JqvZUJKwyYa8o2MROUJhXV2O9lE/edit#gid=171440006and by the way? where are you when yobit participants are wearing siggy? why so selective?
And to all DT who are saying that participants should be tagged, how about checking the sportsbet and bitcasino ?
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July 20, 2019, 01:22:03 PM |
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Please push me to your own personal blacklist. After show it to your mom.
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I'll start tagging the participants, let's see where it ends ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Livecoin.net Scam June 28, 2019, 07:53:19 PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124985.msg51768566#msg51768566 - campaign was closed on July 09, 2019, 11:15:54 PM Tag yourself at first for promoting "scam" for 11 days. I'll be working towards finding a solution and trying to mend LiveCoins reputation as that seems like more of a challenge than just pointing fingers and exercising a feeling of power. But that might just be me, as long as I'm on DT (I've messaged theymos about blacklisting me) I will counter any negative given to participants in the LiveCoin campaign.
The only thing that i really hate in people it is hypocrisyThat's funny how another "trusted" member like Yahoo telling us about blacklist or something, but forgot to ask Buzzshow project (Bounty of which was managed by him. And i think, our Justice warrior got paid in BTC, not buzz tokens) where the money for bounty participants (we didn't get paid after 1 YEAR lol). Of course not, project was succesfull (for Yahoo i guess.) and he didn't fucking care about anything related to this. The second funny moment is how our "trusted" member which were butthurting about KYC, Coinbase tax bills, FBI and others now crying "Livecoin ToC against law" (double lol, hyper mega lol). Guys, tell me for honest, how many of you paying income taxes for your crypto profit? Maybe Yahoo for his business, or Hrampuz? Why not? You're reffering to some kind of law. Then show me that you are eligible to say such words. Because without it it's very funny: "If something is good for me (avoiding taxes) than fuck the goverment, if not - Trumpy, please save us from this rude russians in offshores"It's all without a fact, that all this situation was started by a scammer who want open MONA deposit/withdrawals. In russian topic about livecoin most of "victims" is red trusted noobs which recently started to write. Most of reputable (really reputable, not like some english "trusted-for-200-dollars-loan" members) russian local members ignoring that situation (i don't mean ignoring as ignoring, english language doesn't have proper term (or i don't know him lol)). It's real problem, because 90 % of english board members didn't even saw alive russian in real life, all the more so to understand thinking patterns of slavs. Unlike people which live in postUSSR (me, Vadi2323, TheFuzzStone, Alex_Sr and others) Don't you think that all this situation is weird, because all "victims" is russians with noob accounts?Must be nice to be so ignorant. Do you always spout off at the mouth about things you do not know about? Just wondering cause it looks like you put a lot of effort into this post and basically have no idea if you are right or wrong. My taxes are paid bud. I live in the USA and cash out my bitcoin via bitpay. Anything over 20k is reported to the IRS. Check their ToS, you'll see i'm correct. Not that that is any of your business. Also, it doesn't matter what payment method I get from bounty campaigns or signature campaign owners. I do not make 1 single person join a bounty campaign. It's your choice. My job is to check that the work is done and that tokens are distributed. Nothing more. I cannot force a team to list 2 seconds after the ICO ends. I'm not attacking participants by tagging them for joining the signature campaign, although if I were a dick you'd be the 1st tag i'd give. It's my prerogative to make a blacklist and decide that users who are supporting the exchange are not trustworthy. You obviously didn't read the part in the scam thread where livecoin was trying to force the user to delete bad press against them before they'd respond to his claim? That in turn led to his money being held(which they 100% admit to). But we are hypocrites for your ignorance and you wanting to earn money from the scammers? I think you are the hypocrite here and should probably not speak about a person unless you know what you're talking about. Please push me to your own personal blacklist. After show it to your mom. It almost feels like all you Russian users are joining together because Livecoin is in your backyard. Grow up kid.
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Who the fuck are you OP? One of the LiveCoin signature campaign participants? You're right, they should not be tagged for wearing the signature but you should be tagged for not having balls to post from your main account.
No, he is shady troll. It's ordinary tactic in russian local: blackmail, FUD, threats, trolling, escalation and others. Holy shit, it's odinary tactic and way of life in POST USSR LANDS.
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In this situation I believe this to be the appropriate response and I would hope other campaign managers take similar action. With the DT1 endorsed flags on both Livecoin and Livecoin Manager we still have a slew of Hero and Legendary members applying for this signature campaign. If anyone should understand a flag you would think it would be these types of members. We are seeing how ineffective DT1 is when money is involved. Flags are flags.. nothing more.. this shows that when money is there it doesn't matter what DT1 does, we can only warn. yahoo62278 has taken the most reasonable action here and is showing people that money over ethics isn't welcome here. So no, I don't thing tags will do anything here.. but I do support any campaign managers blacklisting from future campaigns.
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July 20, 2019, 01:37:31 PM |
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I'm not attacking participants by tagging them for joining the signature campaign, although if I were a dick you'd be the 1st tag i'd give.
Good thing you are not a dick. It's my prerogative to make a blacklist and decide that users who are supporting the exchange are not trustworthy.
Let's not question your blacklist, everyone can make their own, even participants can make their own blacklist on campaign managers that they don't like. Can we all just focus to the topic which is " Livecoin participants should be tag? "
Who the fuck are you OP? One of the LiveCoin signature campaign participants? You're right, they should not be tagged for wearing the signature but you should be tagged for not having balls to post from your main account.
This kind of question is irrelevant to the topic, you should change your behavior and participate on the discussion properly.
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Don't you think that all this situation is weird, because all "victims" is russians with noob accounts?
May be your point is right, and it's possible to may not be also. Not every people create an account in bitcointalk, a crypto trader doesn't necessarily refer to a bitcointalk user. They only think of creating an account only to report the scam event. So, basically, you can't decide the truthfulness of the event by judging through the user rank only.
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July 20, 2019, 01:43:55 PM |
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People kept talking about tagging the participants, or shaming them, without acting so I might as well do it.
Start tagging them just from now maybe a bit harsh, atleast let them know and warn them for few hours, if they denied your warning and still wearing their signature then you might start tagging them.(just my opinion) Isn't tagging them also a way of warning them? I mean those tags can be removed or changed to neutral anytime the issue with that account is resolved. In this case, withdrawing from the signature campaign. Just too much work for the DT member to tag them and then change them to neutral or removed for hundreds of participants.SO just give warning and let them decide their own fate after that permanently.
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Make me a script and I'll tag them all ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) . EDIT; Fwiw, ever since flags were introduced ratings became more like post-it notes so getting a negative barely matters anymore. Don't tell me they do because I can show you a few good examples. If people remove their application I remove the neg, it is that simple (:
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Don't you think that all this situation is weird, because all "victims" is russians with noob accounts?
May be your point is right, and it's possible to may not be also. Not every people create an account in bitcointalk, a crypto trader doesn't necessarily refer to a bitcointalk user. They only think of creating an account only to report the scam event. So, basically, you can't decide the truthfulness of the event by judging through the user rank only. These are just speculation, it would not help raise a valuable discussion. Isn't tagging them also a way of warning them? I mean those tags can be removed or changed to neutral anytime the issue with that account is resolved. In this case, withdrawing from the signature campaign.
Just too much work for the DT member to tag them and then change them to neutral or removed for hundreds of participants.SO just give warning and let them decide their own fate after that permanently. You don't tag when you warned, red tagging is different by definition " You think that trading with this person is high-risk", don't deviate from the real meaning. Maybe tagging as neutral would be appropriate based on its meaning "Other comments.". If we can use the tagging system properly, there would be no complains, DT's misusing the trust system leads to misleading forum members as that trust is visible.
TLDR: INjustice
Make me a script and I'll tag them all ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) . EDIT; Fwiw, ever since flags were introduced ratings became more like post-it notes so getting a negative barely matters anymore. Don't tell me they do because I can show you a few good examples. If people remove their application I remove the neg, it is that simple (: It matters to signature campaigners the most as it's part of the rules that having a negative rating from a DT would not make them qualify to join. If that does not matter, you can remove that in your rule. (1) And before I forget, you didn't answer to my reply, why not tag sportsbet.io and bitcasino also? (2) red trusting participants because " You think that trading with this person is high-risk"?
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