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July 29, 2019, 11:03:42 PM |
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Quick question for you. How do you propose to prevent child trafficking into the USA if children are not temporarily detained? Do you think letting any adult with any child cross into the country just because they have a child is a good idea? You don't think that won't be exploited by child sex traffickers? This is again another demonstration of your motivations based on emotion rather than logic.
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bluefirecorp_ (OP)
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July 30, 2019, 12:03:03 AM |
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Man, I hate trolls shitposting about immigration, which is entirely unrelated to the subject.
this thread is about US children being wrongfully detained; not about immigration for those people that can't read.
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July 30, 2019, 02:51:12 AM |
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Man, I hate trolls shitposting about immigration, which is entirely unrelated to the subject.
this thread is about US children being wrongfully detained; not about immigration for those people that can't read.
It is quite a legitimate question. Your denial that the two are related is quite delusional. All you are doing is making it easier to traffic and prostitute children.
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Hey, more off-topic shitposting. Wonderful that unmoderated threads get shitposters that love pushing a specific agenda. Talking about wrongfully detained US children = immigration in their mind. How the fuck these warped minds work is beyond my understanding. Perhaps they're just paid to push an agenda regardless
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July 30, 2019, 03:47:43 PM |
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Hey, more off-topic shitposting. Wonderful that unmoderated threads get shitposters that love pushing a specific agenda. Talking about wrongfully detained US children = immigration in their mind. How the fuck these warped minds work is beyond my understanding. Perhaps they're just paid to push an agenda regardless So your argument is that the people being held at these detention centers are unrelated to immigration? What? I am the one with a warped mind? Again, please let me know who to contact to get my back pay, I would love to know who owes me for posting.
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bluefirecorp_ (OP)
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July 30, 2019, 03:51:29 PM |
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>thinks US citizens are part of the immigration system
>thinks its acceptable that US citizens are caught up in the immigration system
What sort of sick freak thinks these things?
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July 30, 2019, 04:03:33 PM |
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On a Monday morning, CBP detained her and her 14-year-old brother, Oscar, saying she didn't look like the photo in her passport Oh. As far as child detention centers, they are located all over the US. I think most would agree that they are necessary to hold people that don't follow the laws, and are underage.
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July 30, 2019, 08:38:14 PM Last edit: July 30, 2019, 09:49:44 PM by bones261 |
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On a Monday morning, CBP detained her and her 14-year-old brother, Oscar, saying she didn't look like the photo in her passport Oh. As far as child detention centers, they are located all over the US. I think most would agree that they are necessary to hold people that don't follow the laws, and are underage. In all three cases cited in the article, none of the people detained were breaking any laws. All of them were United States citizens and had valid documentation on them. However, it appears the agents deemed their valid documentation as suspicious, and detained them for hours or even weeks until they could clear them. If any of the cases mentioned in this article lacked documentation, I could perhaps be more understanding. However, even without documentation, I would think such a matter could be resolved in an hour or two, if someone is a US citizen. Not 32 hours and certainly not 23 days.
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July 30, 2019, 09:17:33 PM |
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>thinks US citizens are part of the immigration system
>thinks its acceptable that US citizens are caught up in the immigration system
What sort of sick freak thinks these things?
Don't speak for me derangement boy. That is not what I said, that is what you interpret me to have said in order to give yourself any inkling of an argument. If you don't like events like these, perhaps people like you should stop encouraging this flood of illegal immigration and it wouldn't have to be handled in such an expansive way. I don't think non-criminal citizens should be detained, however to pretend this is unrelated to illegal immigration is nothing but a fantasy for you to have even a semblance of an argument on your part.
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July 30, 2019, 09:35:55 PM |
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immigration, which is entirely unrelated to the subject.
this thread is ... not about immigration for those people that can't read.
>thinks its acceptable that US citizens are caught up in the immigration system
>thinks thread is not related to immigration >thinks immigration system is not related to immigration The first word when I click your article is "Border Patrol". Directly from the Border patrol website U.S. Customs and Border Protection, CBP, takes a comprehensive approach to ... immigration Source : https://www.cbp.gov/aboutIf we're not talking about anything related to immigration, then I am confused. Plus why would you put words in someone's mouth if you believe their ideas are already so bad?
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July 30, 2019, 10:13:25 PM |
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In all three cases cited in the article, none of the people detained were breaking any laws. All of them were United States citizens and had valid documentation on them. However, it appears the agents deemed their valid documentation as suspicious, and detained them for hours or even weeks until they could clear them. If any of the cases mentioned in this article lacked documentation, I could perhaps be more understanding. However, even without documentation, I would think such a matter could be resolved in an hour or two, if someone is a US citizen. Not 32 hours and certainly not 23 days.
As soon as the documentation is suspicious then it loses its valid status. They should hold the kids that were trying to cross the national border as long as it takes to find the parents. The word parents isn't even in the article when I CTRL F.
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July 30, 2019, 10:56:58 PM |
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In all three cases cited in the article, none of the people detained were breaking any laws. All of them were United States citizens and had valid documentation on them. However, it appears the agents deemed their valid documentation as suspicious, and detained them for hours or even weeks until they could clear them. If any of the cases mentioned in this article lacked documentation, I could perhaps be more understanding. However, even without documentation, I would think such a matter could be resolved in an hour or two, if someone is a US citizen. Not 32 hours and certainly not 23 days.
As soon as the documentation is suspicious then it loses its valid status. They should hold the kids that were trying to cross the national border as long as it takes to find the parents. The word parents isn't even in the article when I CTRL F. So if someone looks at my valid driver's license or passport and a agent has a "hunch" that it is "suspicious," it is invalidated? That makes zero sense. I remember going to a bank, and they took my valid driver's license. At the time, my state did not require someone to renew for 15 years, so it was an older version. The bank representative then insisted that they could not open an account because it was invalid. After much angst, I finally got them to see that it was indeed valid and they apologized. I'm sure the fact that my skin happens to be a dark complexion had nothing to do with the initial account representative insisting that my license was "invalid." If this is how American citizens are going to be treated at ports of entry, I better delay any travel plans until the environment becomes better. I wouldn't want another huge hassle, just because some immigration agent has a hunch that I'm really an "illegal" and my valid documents are "fake."
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July 30, 2019, 11:05:40 PM |
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So if someone looks at my valid driver's license or passport and a agent has a "hunch" that it is "suspicious," it is invalidated? That makes zero sense. I remember going to a bank, and they took my valid driver's license. At the time, my state did not require someone to renew for 15 years, so it was an older version. The bank representative then insisted that they could not open an account because it was invalid. After much angst, I finally got them to see that it was indeed valid and they apologized. I'm sure the fact that my skin happens to be a dark complexion had nothing to do with the initial account representative insisting that my license was "invalid." If this is how American citizens are going to be treated at ports of entry, I better delay any travel plans until the environment becomes better. I wouldn't want another huge hassle, just because some immigration agent has a hunch that I'm really an "illegal" and my valid documents are "fake." No worries, they'll just probe you anally and hold you without food and water for a couple weeks; that'll show you for being born the wrong color.
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July 31, 2019, 03:40:52 AM |
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The first word when I click your article is "Border Patrol". Directly from the Border patrol website U.S. Customs and Border Protection, CBP, takes a comprehensive approach to ... immigration Source : https://www.cbp.gov/aboutIf we're not talking about anything related to immigration, then I am confused. Plus why would you put words in someone's mouth if you believe their ideas are already so bad? Click the 2nd link.
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In all three cases cited in the article, none of the people detained were breaking any laws. All of them were United States citizens and had valid documentation on them. However, it appears the agents deemed their valid documentation as suspicious, and detained them for hours or even weeks until they could clear them. If any of the cases mentioned in this article lacked documentation, I could perhaps be more understanding. However, even without documentation, I would think such a matter could be resolved in an hour or two, if someone is a US citizen. Not 32 hours and certainly not 23 days.
As soon as the documentation is suspicious then it loses its valid status. They should hold the kids that were trying to cross the national border as long as it takes to find the parents. The word parents isn't even in the article when I CTRL F. So if someone looks at my valid driver's license or passport and a agent has a "hunch" that it is "suspicious," it is invalidated? That makes zero sense. I remember going to a bank, and they took my valid driver's license. At the time, my state did not require someone to renew for 15 years, so it was an older version. The bank representative then insisted that they could not open an account because it was invalid. After much angst, I finally got them to see that it was indeed valid and they apologized. I'm sure the fact that my skin happens to be a dark complexion had nothing to do with the initial account representative insisting that my license was "invalid." If this is how American citizens are going to be treated at ports of entry, I better delay any travel plans until the environment becomes better. I wouldn't want another huge hassle, just because some immigration agent has a hunch that I'm really an "illegal" and my valid documents are "fake." "One time there may or may not have been racism, therefore our borders need not be enforced." Cool story bro.
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July 31, 2019, 05:37:31 AM |
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"One time there may or may not have been racism, therefore our borders need not be enforced." Cool story bro.
Enforced against who? Brown skinned US citizens? Even you conceded above that this is stepping over the line. If someone has valid documentation that they are a US citizen, they need to be let in, without undue delay and hassle. Not be detained unjustly for 23 days, while the US fucking bureaucracy finally figures out that they made a mistake. Oh, but that is right. The President has made it clear that if you have a dark tone to your skin, and you happen to disagree with current US policy in any way, you need to go "back where you came from." Even if you happen to have been born on US soil.
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July 31, 2019, 05:54:29 AM |
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"One time there may or may not have been racism, therefore our borders need not be enforced." Cool story bro.
Enforced against who? Brown skinned US citizens? Even you conceded above that this is stepping over the line. If someone has valid documentation that they are a US citizen, they need to be let in, without undue delay and hassle. Not be detained unjustly for 23 days, while the US fucking bureaucracy finally figures out that they made a mistake. I see, you are playing the dumb game that bluefirecorp_ is pretending that this detainment was totally unrelated to illegal immigration enforcement and prevention too. Just because it is not preferable doesn't mean they should stop doing their jobs. What is "valid US documentation" is subjective. People can have fake ID, or the ID of other people that is either bought or stolen. I don't like that this happened, but I also don't pretend that they purposely detained these people just because they were brown and they could. That is bullshit and I think you know damn well it is. Perhaps if there was not a certain group of people purposely obstructing border enforcement funding, they wouldn't be so backlogged and could have processed them faster? They are trying to do their jobs and they made a mistake. I don't find that any more acceptable than all of these idiots telling these people they can come here illegally and get all kinds of entitlements, resulting in a situation where the border patrol and court system is overwhelmed, which directly results in situations like these. One is happening far more than the other though. Then after denying responsibility for their part in it, the leftists then point fingers at any enforcement action taken and LAARP that they are fighting Nazis and concentration camps. The border needs to be enforced. All of this mass hysteria over border enforcement is based on delusional uncontrolled emotions, not logic or facts.
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July 31, 2019, 04:52:44 PM |
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"One time there may or may not have been racism, therefore our borders need not be enforced." Cool story bro.
Enforced against who? Brown skinned US citizens? Even you conceded above that this is stepping over the line. If someone has valid documentation that they are a US citizen, they need to be let in, without undue delay and hassle. Not be detained unjustly for 23 days, while the US fucking bureaucracy finally figures out that they made a mistake. I see, you are playing the dumb game that bluefirecorp_ is pretending that this detainment was totally unrelated to illegal immigration enforcement and prevention too. Just because it is not preferable doesn't mean they should stop doing their jobs. What is "valid US documentation" is subjective. People can have fake ID, or the ID of other people that is either bought or stolen. I don't like that this happened, but I also don't pretend that they purposely detained these people just because they were brown and they could. That is bullshit and I think you know damn well it is. Perhaps if there was not a certain group of people purposely obstructing border enforcement funding, they wouldn't be so backlogged and could have processed them faster? They are trying to do their jobs and they made a mistake. I don't find that any more acceptable than all of these idiots telling these people they can come here illegally and get all kinds of entitlements, resulting in a situation where the border patrol and court system is overwhelmed, which directly results in situations like these. One is happening far more than the other though. Then after denying responsibility for their part in it, the leftists then point fingers at any enforcement action taken and LAARP that they are fighting Nazis and concentration camps. The border needs to be enforced. All of this mass hysteria over border enforcement is based on delusional uncontrolled emotions, not logic or facts. First of all, funding for immigration services has increased since Trump has been in office. The only concern Trump seems to be having is that ample funds are not being earmarked for his Wall Project, something he promised that he would make Mexico pay for, which is not happening. I think ~25 billion dollars should be enough for Homeland Security to ensure that any mistakes such as this are quickly resolved. It should not take 23 days or even 32 hours to sort this out. Also, "valid US documentation" is not subjective. The document is either real and belongs to the holder, or not. There is no gray area. Also, it is not bullshit that these mistakes are made only for people with a darker complexion. I seriously doubt someone with blue eyes or blond hair is going to have to be concerned that their valid documents are going to be mistaken to be fake.
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July 31, 2019, 05:35:12 PM |
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I don't care if the kids have to be held for months. They shouldn't be released until their parents are there to get them. The parents should have been with them to cross a national border in the first place. This is the fault of the parents.
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