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August 06, 2019, 05:16:08 AM
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You could. But don't. Rather, go the way that works. Arm everyone. Since most people are good, they will protect each other from the few who are bad.

In what society does that work? The U.S. already has more than 1 gun per person and also the highest number of mass shootings. You have no evidence that your way works.

Regardless, I'd rather live in a place where being armed wasn't compulsory. Don't know about you.

Here's the society it works in. The Walmart society. What do I mean?

The average person goes to Walmart simply for groceries or other items. Many go for the fun of shopping. Do you know what else these people do? They get mad at Walmart Associates who make a mistake. They call the manager in. And if the manager sticks up for the associate, he better be right... because the customers stick up for each other.

Get over to Walmart. This happens all the time. The customers are sheep until they detect something going on that is not right. Then they become aggressive.

I'd much rather have a few dozen angry customers around me, helping me fight off a shooter, than sit there and cry in my blood before I died.

What in the world kind of a sissy are you? Arm the people so they have a fighting chance against a shooter.

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August 06, 2019, 05:26:07 AM
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You could. But don't. Rather, go the way that works. Arm everyone. Since most people are good, they will protect each other from the few who are bad.

In what society does that work? The U.S. already has more than 1 gun per person and also the highest number of mass shootings. You have no evidence that your way works.

Regardless, I'd rather live in a place where being armed wasn't compulsory. Don't know about you.

Here's the society it works in. The Walmart society. What do I mean?

The average person goes to Walmart simply for groceries or other items. Many go for the fun of shopping. Do you know what else these people do? They get mad at Walmart Associates who make a mistake. They call the manager in. And if the manager sticks up for the associate, he better be right... because the customers stick up for each other.

Get over to Walmart. This happens all the time. The customers are sheep until they detect something going on that is not right. Then they become aggressive.

I'd much rather have a few dozen angry customers around me, helping me fight off a shooter, than sit there and cry in my blood before I died.

What in the world kind of a sissy are you? Arm the people so they have a fighting chance against a shooter.

Cool

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August 06, 2019, 05:31:54 AM
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You could. But don't. Rather, go the way that works. Arm everyone. Since most people are good, they will protect each other from the few who are bad.

In what society does that work? The U.S. already has more than 1 gun per person and also the highest number of mass shootings. You have no evidence that your way works.

Regardless, I'd rather live in a place where being armed wasn't compulsory. Don't know about you.

Here's the society it works in. The Walmart society. What do I mean?

The average person goes to Walmart simply for groceries or other items. Many go for the fun of shopping. Do you know what else these people do? They get mad at Walmart Associates who make a mistake. They call the manager in. And if the manager sticks up for the associate, he better be right... because the customers stick up for each other.

Get over to Walmart. This happens all the time. The customers are sheep until they detect something going on that is not right. Then they become aggressive.

I'd much rather have a few dozen angry customers around me, helping me fight off a shooter, than sit there and cry in my blood before I died.

What in the world kind of a sissy are you? Arm the people so they have a fighting chance against a shooter.

Cool

You've now thoroughly descended into madness. There's no point in attempting to converse with you any further.

It's not madness. It's anger at how stupid you are proving yourself to be.

When you ban the guns, ban them out of the hands of the military, as well. After all, guns are guns, right? Then we can go back to using swords and hacking each other into little bits, right?

A 250-pound bully can easily overpower, rape, mug, and kill a 90-pound teenage girl... even if she knows karate, btw. But if Girly has a gun, she has a chance... even if the bully has a gun, as well.

You really need to check the statistics of how many women are arming up these days, just for self-protection.

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August 06, 2019, 01:09:50 PM
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There was 40 people shit in Chiicago this weekend alone i think 3 Died. The shootings involved more than 4 people at a time which justifies it as a mass shooting.

OK, so you heard about it... so what's the problem? Like I said, gang violence happens in many places across the country on a daily basis. National newspapers don't want to print "X People Shot in Gang-Related Incident" every day. I mean yes, of course its a problem, everybody's known about it since the 1980s. What do you propose the solution is?

20 people dying all at the same time is a pretty big fucking deal. Even if it happened in Chicago, damn straight it would be on the national news.

if you are in a gang you are most likely to die. mass shooting of innocents is TERRORISM, that's the difference.
Terrorism?  there have been over 1500 shootings in Chicago this year Far exceeding any "Mass shooting" this year.....That's terrprism

This is the stuff that gun owners point to when people tell them that mass shootings are the biggest problem. Mass shootings seem like a much larger problem then they are due to the fact that they're on the news all the time -- do you want to know why they're on the news all the time --> IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE RARE.

They're not going to put shootings in Chicago on the news, because that's not news anymore. It's common at this point.




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August 06, 2019, 02:24:26 PM
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Everybody are talking about it but nothing changes
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August 06, 2019, 04:38:46 PM
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You've now thoroughly descended into madness. There's no point in attempting to converse with you any further.

Be that as it may, if that Walmart still had their gun counter and ammo for sale, a dozen customers could have, and would have, gone after the shooter.

And why were they taken out? Wasn't it because of pressure from the PC crowd?
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You've now thoroughly descended into madness. There's no point in attempting to converse with you any further.

Be that as it may, if that Walmart still had their gun counter and ammo for sale, a dozen customers could have, and would have, gone after the shooter.

And why were they taken out? Wasn't it because of pressure from the PC crowd?

if you believe that pedogate is fakenews, please proceed with your analysis... Smiley.

Weapons cannot be prohibited, but legislation needs to be tightened somehow. Although, any crazy can pretend to be normal. But I feel much calmer when I have a gun.
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You've now thoroughly descended into madness. There's no point in attempting to converse with you any further.

Be that as it may, if that Walmart still had their gun counter and ammo for sale, a dozen customers could have, and would have, gone after the shooter.

And why were they taken out? Wasn't it because of pressure from the PC crowd?

if you believe that pedogate is fakenews, please proceed with your analysis... Smiley.

Weapons cannot be prohibited, but legislation needs to be tightened somehow. Although, any crazy can pretend to be normal. But I feel much calmer when I have a gun.

how to legislate against jewish supremacists when they own the printing press itself? that's the real question... and with the printing press they can buy the courts, the legislators, everything... to the point of making their childraping operation legit... I mean, don't you see... are you that heartless? are all people you know like you?

I am not heartless. It's not like that at all.
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August 06, 2019, 11:11:59 PM
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Except your little website is akin to saying "People who have pools are more likely to drown." or "People who drive cars are more likely to have an automobile accident." It is not a legitimate metric.

Of course people who have pools are more likely to drown. Of course people who drive cars are more likely to have an automobile accident. Of course its a legitimate metric. That kind of the whole point: more guns = more gun deaths.

Except the problem with your logic is that all you are doing is shifting the crime to being done using another device. Guns don't make people murder. It is not a legitimate metric because you were claiming a correlation between "leniency in gun laws" whatever the fuck that means with gun deaths. First of all anyone familiar with scientific method can tell you correlation does not automatically equal causation. A lot of people who happen to be criminals are shot while engaged in criminal activity, by your metric all of those people are implied victims of gun crime. Again, this includes police use, defensive use, and suicides. Are you suggesting police should be disarmed along with the general public, and that people intent on suicide will not find another way? So everyone gets their rights stripped because some people are intent to hurting themselves? Another issue with your supposed logic is you totally ignore the lives saved by defensive and legal use of firearms. Of course this doesn't fit your belief system so that doesn't count does it? Nope, chock those all up to "gun deaths", and mark guns as the problem, not the criminals.

Also, you will notice it is "gun deaths", another slick little trick anti-rights pushers try to use to lump in all defensive use, suicides, etc into statistics to inflate them.

Any death caused by a gun is still a death.

Except you don't get to claim all defensive uses of firearms and intentional self harm are caused by firearm ownership. It is like saying obesity is caused by food, so we need food control laws because people might hurt themselves eating too much. People have a right to defend themselves, and that self defense by your metric gets added on to "gun deaths" when they are in fact proof of the protection gun ownership offers. Your metric is completely intellectually dishonest and deceptive.


All of the states with the most strict gun control laws have the biggest problems with firearm homicides.

Not true. If you honestly believed this, you'd provide some kind of a source. Though I'd prefer if it wasn't ZeroHedge or the NRA.

Yes, lets look at some sources:



https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america

https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/number-murders-county-54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/

https://mises.org/wire/few-gun-laws-new-hampshire-safer-canada

https://crimeresearch.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/


Six minutes is a long time. Of course you haven't read it anywhere. You only consume pasteurized and opinion piece media that filters your reality for you so you never have to experience any mild form of cognitive dissonance by being forced to consider ideas that conflict with your beliefs. It doesn't fit the "guns are bad" narrative so of course it is not being reported.

The soldier moved children out of the way. His gun had nothing to do with "slowing the shooter down." He didn't draw it, he wasn't even seen by the shooter. I first read that story 2 days ago so save your projection fantasies for another time.

So removing potential victims from the scene does not potentially reduce the rate at which he can take victims, effectively slowing him down? If you watched the statement video he made, you would know he did in fact draw his weapon. What other assumptions based on zero information are you making? If you read the story two days ago why is it you are pretending it never happened?

Firearms aren't designed to cause mass casualties any more than a lighter is designed to burn down mass amounts of buildings. It is a tool, and it does what the person behind it makes it do.

Thats a ridiculous comparison. AK-47s are designed to inflict mass human casualties.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-13/ak-47-rifle-inventor-mikhail-kalashnikov-regrets-creating-weapon/5198396

Not at all. A firearm can be used to protect life as much as it can be used to take life. You just ignore the part that protects life and in your fantasy world that never happens, and if it did fuck those people who would have otherwise been victims right? The very first sentence of your link has problems.

"The man who invented the iconic AK-47 automatic rifle wrote of his regret at creating the weapon. "

If you knew anything about firearms, you would know the AK-47 is an AUTOMATIC rifle, a type of rifle which is VERY heavily restricted and expensive to obtain in the USA. Of course you know jack shit about firearms, but are still willing to strip people's rights over your ignorant assumptions based on movies and sensationalized media. I am sure your death bed regrets of a weapon designer are all the proof you need that is was "designed to inflict mass human casualties", even though almost no one in the US owns any of these weapons.


This is a really big tragedy but I can't understand something.
Every time after these tragedies, the issue of arms purchases begins to be discussed, and nothing ever changes, everything remains the same.
How is that possible?
What has to happen that finally the very liberal laws in America about buying guns start to change?
How many people have yet to die in tragedies like this?

One of the big things that people who are really for gun rights in the US say is that while these mass shootings are horrible, they're not the majority of crime in the US -- they're probably only around 1 percent of all crime in the US.

There also has been no tried and true way to even eliminate these mass shootings -- as researches have concluded that the only possible solution would be to ban 'assault rifles' and all that does is lower the death-count during these tragedies. If people are to admit that lowering the deathcount is an OKAY conclusion, then that's fine -- but don't expect these shootings to go away.

It's a very tough topic on both sides here, as OBVIOUSLY neither side wants people to die -- but one side doesn't think they should have to give up their firearms due to crazy people abusing freedoms to kill people -- and the other side feels the only solution is to limit the availability of these guns to regular everyday Americans.

It's a very tough issue in the US and it's not something that can be solved by another countries model. Because as these shootings are so rare, it's even hard to find solutions statistical speaking.

This is the most well-reasoned response here so far, and really there's not much more to be said. The only thing I would add is that assault rifles should definitely be banned outright.

The only thing you would add is "Fuck everyone who doesn't want their rights taken so they can be made victims, black rifles are scary and need to be banned so my irrational fears can be assuaged." You are only taking the rights of other people after all, no skin off your back. It is much easier that way isn't it?


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August 07, 2019, 04:44:14 AM
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long-winded spiel laden with smarmy quips and nothing that hasn't been said 100 times already

Well, at least your solution to the problem isn't arming everybody. Because that's fucking stupid.

I'm not for taking everybody's rights away.

As I said earlier, I am for the banning of assault rifles (which the AK-47 is) and semi-automatic weapons. I'm asking if its possible for people to be able to defend themselves without having to do it with these weapons.

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August 07, 2019, 05:03:58 AM
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Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm from a country in which guns and weapons are strictly controlled by the government. There were many times I was disappointed on my government because they control and restrict us on so many things but seeing news or articles like this, I know that they're right at some point. Also, I feel really sorry for those people who were killed and their relatives. America is not Pakistan or some other Islamic countries, these gun massacres are tarnishing its image as a place of freedom, peace and democracy.

You forget the fact that if everyone in the store was open carrying - some of them with assault rifles - this joker would have been too scared to do what he did. Nobody would have died.

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You mean normal people carrying guns like jewelry, then the US should be renamed to the United States of Armed People. The problem with the US is that it's too large and the society is too complicated and hence not easy to control. Talking about this, China is doing better under its monopoly communism party (I'm not praising China's communism). You're supporting gun purchasing but it's the root of the problem. Using guns to prevent gun assaults only makes everything become more chaotic. I'm not wise enough to propose a solution for the US but I don't think encouraging guns will improve the situation.
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August 07, 2019, 05:31:29 AM
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long-winded spiel laden with smarmy quips and nothing that hasn't been said 100 times already

Well, at least your solution to the problem isn't arming everybody. Because that's fucking stupid.

I'm not for taking everybody's rights away.

As I said earlier, I am for the banning of assault rifles (which the AK-47 is) and semi-automatic weapons. I'm asking if its possible for people to be able to defend themselves without having to do it with these weapons.

AK-47s are assault rifles. Semi-automatic weapons are not. It is possible as much as defending yourself with a pointy stick is. Not optimally.

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August 07, 2019, 11:32:09 AM
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long-winded spiel laden with smarmy quips and nothing that hasn't been said 100 times already

Well, at least your solution to the problem isn't arming everybody. Because that's fucking stupid.

I'm not for taking everybody's rights away.

As I said earlier, I am for the banning of assault rifles (which the AK-47 is) and semi-automatic weapons. I'm asking if its possible for people to be able to defend themselves without having to do it with these weapons.

With a possible tactical disadvantage, yes they can.

But this will not get you where you think you want to get to, not in the least.

"Semi-automatic" is a mechanism that replaces the revolving cylinder, and the long tube containing bullets.

"Assault rifle" really is a phrase that's related to appearance, not function. The primary battle rifles of WW1 and WW2 look like "hunting rifles."

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I have been on vacation during all of these shootings.  Was surprised to see TECSHARE and SPENDULUS blaming them on capitalism. 
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August 07, 2019, 03:36:03 PM
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long-winded spiel laden with smarmy quips and nothing that hasn't been said 100 times already

Well, at least your solution to the problem isn't arming everybody. Because that's fucking stupid.

I'm not for taking everybody's rights away.

As I said earlier, I am for the banning of assault rifles (which the AK-47 is) and semi-automatic weapons. I'm asking if its possible for people to be able to defend themselves without having to do it with these weapons.

You DO have part of a point, you know. A slave knows a shooter might not get him. But a dead freeman doesn't know anything.

Take the guns away, and government slavery might not get very bad. I mean, it will take government a while to turn the masses into full-time slavery. Only your grand-kids, and theirs, will have to put up with it. We won't. They'll have to do what they can do in their life.

Good thing you aren't in the majority. Free people like it the way it is... freedom... including gun freedom. Fear-slaves are just stuck. Their protection comes from the free people who honor gun freedom, but they are too fearful to even recognize it.

Stay inside your mindset. We don't want your kind with us when we need to stand up against shooters, within goverment or without. We just hope that we are trustworthy to our own freedom. We absolutely know, from your own statements, that you don't even want to be trusted to be free.

One of the things that amazes us is that you are even bold enough to speak you mind. I guess it's part of Government implanted Stockholm Syndrome.

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August 07, 2019, 04:37:46 PM
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4 of the 10 deadliest mass shootings have taken place in Texas, which is known for its extremely lax gun laws.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/el-paso-walmart-shooting-20-dead-26-injured-gov-greg-abbott-police-chief-greg-allen

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A gunman killed 20 people and injured 26 others Saturday after he opened fire at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, state and city officials said...

The suspected gunman has not been publicly named, but two law enforcement officials identified him to The Associated Press as 21-year-old Patrick Crusius of Allen, Texas. It was unclear what connection the suspect had to El Paso. Texas state lawmaker Jeff Leach said in a tweeted statement that the suspect graduated from Plano Senior High School in 2017...

Chief Allen said investigators were examining a manifesto that may have been written by the suspect and would indicate a “nexus to a hate crime,” but declined to offer details. The suspect will likely face capital murder charges, Allen said...

Vanessa Saenz, a witness, told Fox News that she heard several "pops" near the area and saw a man in a black shirt and cargo pants with a weapon shooting outside the building before entering the Walmart.

"He was just pointing at people and just shooting," she added. Another witness told Fox News that his mother died at the scene.

A witness told CBS News that he was about to enter the Walmart when he heard at least 10 gunshots and saw an elderly lady fall to the ground. He said he was not sure if she was shot...

Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.

When I read news headlines like this one I think that there is a lot of freedom in the US.
And I don't mean freedom of exchanging ideas etc. I mean that even not adult people can buy guns and have access to a lot of illegal activities. This is the root cause in my opinion. They need stricter regulations about that.

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August 07, 2019, 05:01:14 PM
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If I were in a crowd of 100 people, and a shooter started blasting away at us, I would want the whole crowd to have, and be active with, firearms. We could protect each other from the shooter.

The only reason why there is such a push against US guns is that gun freedom in the USA is keeping the whole world free. Governments aren't going to enslave their people when they know that their people can get guns from the USA.

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Why would anyone need an "assault rifle" (not an assault rifle): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GnbJrHcYpU


Fear and mass hysteria, just as intended.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-07/edge-chaos-ensues-times-square-after-crowd-mistakes-backfiring-motorcycle-mass


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Fear and mass hysteria...




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