REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE: FLYING HELLFISH - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP

[TwitchySeal]

Funny, usually when people delete posts in a self moderated thread it doesn't say "A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator."

Funny how that still doesn't mean I did it you stupid fucking cunt.

Feel free to poll all the other mods or theymos to find out who did it.  Feel free to shove a cactus up your ass.  But for someone who thrives on proof you have zero of it that proves I did it.

I'm done responding to your ridiculousness.

Even if you didn't do it, it still very clearly wasn't a self moderated thread. I don't know why you feel the need to make stuff up that is clearly untrue.

Jesus your are fucking stupid.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5201316.msg53780581#msg53780581
That is the post from your locked fucking thread. It clearly links to a self mod'd thread.

I don't know why you feel the need to make stuff up that is clearly is proven by your own evidence.

He made another thread with the same title as mine + REEEEEE , it could've been deleted from that one if he copied a post from my thread and responded to it in his.  

Of course that doesn't mean it was you who deleted it.  TECSHARE, for someone who thinks speculating or assuming anything is wrong, maybe it's time to stop with all the speculation and assumptions about which moderator decided your post violated a forum rule or is out to get you.

[Flying Hellfish]

He made another thread with the same title as mine + REEEEEE , it could've been deleted from that one if he copied a post from my thread and responded to it in his.  

To be fair that is entirely plausible, I wasn't aware of his REEEE thread (and no one would based on the evidence he provided).  Since I didn't delete the post I don't know which thread it was in and in reality everything after that is entirely moot.

[TECSHARE]

He made another thread with the same title as mine + REEEEEE , it could've been deleted from that one if he copied a post from my thread and responded to it in his.  

To be fair that is entirely plausible, I wasn't aware of his REEEE thread (and no one would based on the evidence he provided).  Since I didn't delete the post I don't know which thread it was in and in reality everything after that is entirely moot.

Even posts deleted from self moderated threads by the op don't say. "A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator." in the message. Are you accusing me of manufacturing the quotes now?

[TwitchySeal]

He made another thread with the same title as mine + REEEEEE , it could've been deleted from that one if he copied a post from my thread and responded to it in his.  

To be fair that is entirely plausible, I wasn't aware of his REEEE thread (and no one would based on the evidence he provided).  Since I didn't delete the post I don't know which thread it was in and in reality everything after that is entirely moot.

Even posts deleted from self moderated threads by the op don't say. "A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator." in the message. Are you accusing me of manufacturing the quotes now?

I think he just overlooked the possibility that you were responding to my post in a thread I didn't post in.

Are you accusing him of lying about deleting your post?  Seems unlikely to me, but this isn't the first time he has explicitly told you that he didn't delete a post from your "FLYING HELLFISH - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" thread, and you seem to just not care.

If you think he's lying, call him out on it and maybe we can get to the bottom of it.
If you don't think he's lying, then remove the posts he says he didn't delete.
Or do nothing if you don't care if your accusations against FH are accurate or not.

[TECSHARE]

I think he just overlooked the possibility that you were responding to my post in a thread I didn't post in.

Are you accusing him of lying about deleting your post?  Seems unlikely to me, but this isn't the first time he has explicitly told you that he didn't delete a post from your "FLYING HELLFISH - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" thread, and you seem to just not care.

If you think he's lying, call him out on it and maybe we can get to the bottom of it.
If you don't think he's lying, then remove the posts he says he didn't delete.
Or do nothing if you don't care if your accusations against FH are accurate or not.

I don't care what he did or says. A moderator deleted those posts, this is a fact as evidenced by the quotes. Him claiming not to have done it in a section he is in charge of and just saying it was "some one else" is not a resolution, even if he thinks it is for him. I have absolutely no way to verify anything he says. Me having a log of these acts harms no one, and the only reason this thread exists is so the usual dingle berries have some ass hair to cling on to and create a circus out of it. Be my guest. Clown away and draw even more attention to it.

[Vod]

I don't care what he did or says.

You sure complain in a lot of threads for someone who doesn't care.   

[TwitchySeal]

I think he just overlooked the possibility that you were responding to my post in a thread I didn't post in.

Are you accusing him of lying about deleting your post?  Seems unlikely to me, but this isn't the first time he has explicitly told you that he didn't delete a post from your "FLYING HELLFISH - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" thread, and you seem to just not care.

If you think he's lying, call him out on it and maybe we can get to the bottom of it.
If you don't think he's lying, then remove the posts he says he didn't delete.
Or do nothing if you don't care if your accusations against FH are accurate or not.

I don't care what he did or says. A moderator deleted those posts

The ethical thing to do would be to change the title of the thread to "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE: BITCOINTALK - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" or ""REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE: MODS - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" or something like that instead of singling out a specific moderator who has denied deleting multiple posts you're accusing him of deleting.

Or accuse him of lying.

[TECSHARE]

I think he just overlooked the possibility that you were responding to my post in a thread I didn't post in.

Are you accusing him of lying about deleting your post?  Seems unlikely to me, but this isn't the first time he has explicitly told you that he didn't delete a post from your "FLYING HELLFISH - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" thread, and you seem to just not care.

If you think he's lying, call him out on it and maybe we can get to the bottom of it.
If you don't think he's lying, then remove the posts he says he didn't delete.
Or do nothing if you don't care if your accusations against FH are accurate or not.

I don't care what he did or says. A moderator deleted those posts

The ethical thing to do would be to change the title of the thread to "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE: BITCOINTALK - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" or ""REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE: MODS - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" or something like that instead of singling out a specific moderator who has denied deleting multiple posts you're accusing him of deleting.

Or accuse him of lying.

Thanks for the lecture in ethics. No.

[TwitchySeal]

I think he just overlooked the possibility that you were responding to my post in a thread I didn't post in.

Are you accusing him of lying about deleting your post?  Seems unlikely to me, but this isn't the first time he has explicitly told you that he didn't delete a post from your "FLYING HELLFISH - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" thread, and you seem to just not care.

If you think he's lying, call him out on it and maybe we can get to the bottom of it.
If you don't think he's lying, then remove the posts he says he didn't delete.
Or do nothing if you don't care if your accusations against FH are accurate or not.

I don't care what he did or says. A moderator deleted those posts

The ethical thing to do would be to change the title of the thread to "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE: BITCOINTALK - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" or ""REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE: MODS - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" or something like that instead of singling out a specific moderator who has denied deleting multiple posts you're accusing him of deleting.

Or accuse him of lying.

Thanks for the lecture in ethics. No.

You really think it's ok to blame FH for deleting posts he didn't delete, and use them of evidence that he is an unfair moderator?

I don't care what he did or says. A moderator deleted those posts

Really?  The accusation isn't against 'moderators', it's against FH.  You sure you don't care?

[TECSHARE]

You really think it's ok to blame FH for deleting posts he didn't delete, and use them of evidence that he is an unfair moderator?

I don't care what he did or says. A moderator deleted those posts

Really?  The accusation isn't against 'moderators', it's against FH.  You sure you don't care?

You have no way of knowing for sure what happened any more than I do. You are making conclusions based on your speculation and confirmation bias. I will not comply with any of these demands. You feel free to make your own accusations. My thread will remain, unedited.

[TwitchySeal]

You really think it's ok to blame FH for deleting posts he didn't delete, and use them of evidence that he is an unfair moderator?

I don't care what he did or says. A moderator deleted those posts

Really?  The accusation isn't against 'moderators', it's against FH.  You sure you don't care?

You have no way of knowing for sure what happened any more than I do. You are making conclusions based on your speculation and confirmation bias. I will not comply with any of these demands. You feel free to make your own accusations. My thread will remain, unedited.

My conclusions:

- You created the thread "FLYING HELLFISH - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP"
- FH denied deleting multiple posts that you added to the thread.
- You said "I don't care what he [FH] did or says"

What speculation?

[TECSHARE]

You really think it's ok to blame FH for deleting posts he didn't delete, and use them of evidence that he is an unfair moderator?

I don't care what he did or says. A moderator deleted those posts

Really?  The accusation isn't against 'moderators', it's against FH.  You sure you don't care?

You have no way of knowing for sure what happened any more than I do. You are making conclusions based on your speculation and confirmation bias. I will not comply with any of these demands. You feel free to make your own accusations. My thread will remain, unedited.

My conclusions:

- You created the thread "FLYING HELLFISH - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP"
- FH denied deleting multiple posts that you added to the thread.
- You said "I don't care what he [FH] did or says"

What speculation?

The parts where you conclude what I think, what I believe, and what I intend. Flying Hellfish can say he shits gold. That doesn't make it a fact. The section is under his moderation. If no one wants to take responsibility fine. Until that time, I don't think it is unreasonable to assume it was him in spite of your many highly synthesized protestations.

[TwitchySeal]

I don't think it is unreasonable to assume it was him.

I don't think that assumption would be unreasonable either, until he tells you explicitly denies it.  Now for your assumption to be true, FH would have to be a liar.

If you think he's a liar, fine.  But to say "I don't care what he did or says", demonstrates that you don't care whether or not your accusations are true or false.

You are the one making the accusation, the burden of proof is on you.

[TECSHARE]

I don't think it is unreasonable to assume it was him.

I don't think that assumption would be unreasonable either, until he tells you explicitly denies it.  Now for your assumption to be true, FH would have to be a liar.

If you think he's a liar, fine.  But to say "I don't care what he did or says", demonstrates that you don't care whether or not your accusations are true or false.

You are the one making the accusation, the burden of proof is on you.

To be more specific, I don't care what you say. What he says is clearly relevant. I never claimed to prove anything. I am making a public log of moderator actions against my posts in the section. None of this changes the fact that only he and Theymos know for sure what happened.

[TwitchySeal]

I don't think it is unreasonable to assume it was him.

I don't think that assumption would be unreasonable either, until he tells you explicitly denies it.  Now for your assumption to be true, FH would have to be a liar.

If you think he's a liar, fine.  But to say "I don't care what he did or says", demonstrates that you don't care whether or not your accusations are true or false.

You are the one making the accusation, the burden of proof is on you.

To be more specific, I don't care what you say. What he says is clearly relevant. I never claimed to prove anything. I am making a public log of moderator actions against my posts in the section. None of this changes the fact that only he and Theymos know for sure what happened.

Your actions speak louder than words, and they support what you said the first time. Your public log of moderator actions has only one moderators name on it.  The mod has denied being responsible for multiple entries, you said you didn't care what he said, you said you wouldn't edit it.

I think he just overlooked the possibility that you were responding to my post in a thread I didn't post in.

Are you accusing him of lying about deleting your post?  Seems unlikely to me, but this isn't the first time he has explicitly told you that he didn't delete a post from your "FLYING HELLFISH - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" thread, and you seem to just not care.

If you think he's lying, call him out on it and maybe we can get to the bottom of it.
If you don't think he's lying, then remove the posts he says he didn't delete.
Or do nothing if you don't care if your accusations against FH are accurate or not.

I don't care what he did or says.

[Vod]

I never claimed to prove anything.  I am making a public log of moderator actions against my posts in the section.

With no ability to tell which of his threads are created for logging and which are to make an actual claim, I suggest the community treat all of his threads like entries in a personal diary.

[TECSHARE]

I don't think it is unreasonable to assume it was him.

I don't think that assumption would be unreasonable either, until he tells you explicitly denies it.  Now for your assumption to be true, FH would have to be a liar.

If you think he's a liar, fine.  But to say "I don't care what he did or says", demonstrates that you don't care whether or not your accusations are true or false.

You are the one making the accusation, the burden of proof is on you.

To be more specific, I don't care what you say. What he says is clearly relevant. I never claimed to prove anything. I am making a public log of moderator actions against my posts in the section. None of this changes the fact that only he and Theymos know for sure what happened.

Your actions speak louder than words, and they support what you said the first time. Your public log of moderator actions has only one moderators name on it.  The mod has denied being responsible for multiple entries, you said you didn't care what he said, you said you wouldn't edit it.

I think he just overlooked the possibility that you were responding to my post in a thread I didn't post in.

Are you accusing him of lying about deleting your post?  Seems unlikely to me, but this isn't the first time he has explicitly told you that he didn't delete a post from your "FLYING HELLFISH - SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP" thread, and you seem to just not care.

If you think he's lying, call him out on it and maybe we can get to the bottom of it.
If you don't think he's lying, then remove the posts he says he didn't delete.
Or do nothing if you don't care if your accusations against FH are accurate or not.

I don't care what he did or says.

Are you approaching a point any time soon or simply finding an excuse to repeat yourself endlessly in the hopes that if you repeat yourself enough times people will believe your claims.?

[marlboroza]

Are you approaching a point any time soon or simply finding an excuse to repeat yourself endlessly in the hopes that if you repeat yourself enough times people will believe your claims.?

Actually, TwitchySeal doesn't have to repeat anything.

First you accused Flying Hellfish that he removed his own topic (which is off topic post btw, I have no idea why that post is not removed by moderators) which he said he didn't and then you accused him of removing another post which he said he didn't. TwitchySeal's suggestions are reasonable and in the middle of your trolling you didn't even realize that you accepted one of TwitchySeal's suggestions:

If you think he's lying, call him out on it and maybe we can get to the bottom of it.
If you don't think he's lying, then remove the posts he says he didn't delete.
Or do nothing if you don't care if your accusations against FH are accurate or not.

I don't care what he did or says.

Well that is actually funny, you said this (reposting from another thread):

This is one of my primary grievances with the culture of this forum. If you are right you get to feel good about yourself and tell everyone how great you are for preventing scams, raising your own profile in the process. If you are wrong, oh well it costs you nothing to seriously invade some ones privacy, disrupt their life, income, and possibly burn their reputation. No skin off your back, so fuckem right? I have hockey pads, I can be Batman too!

This mentality is exactly why systems of due process exist in law, and exactly why Theymos made some of the most recent trust system changes.

So if you are wrong, it cost you nothing to try to burn Flying Hellfish's reputation and get him kicked out of moderation position. Fuck Flying Hellfish, right? That is exactly what you are doing right now.
Now go and report my post as off topic because you don't like it. Silence me more.

[suchmoon]

Flying Hellfish can say he shits gold. That doesn't make it a fact. The section is under his moderation. If no one wants to take responsibility fine. Until that time, I don't think it is unreasonable to assume it was him in spite of your many highly synthesized protestations.

To be more specific, I don't care what you say. What he says is clearly relevant. I never claimed to prove anything. I am making a public log of moderator actions against my posts in the section. None of this changes the fact that only he and Theymos know for sure what happened.

Have you tried asking theymos if you're really so concerned about this alleged abuse and FHF allegedly lying about it? If you haven't (or if you have and FHF is still a moderator) then it's really hard to see your actions as anything other than a smear attempt.

[TECSHARE]

Flying Hellfish can say he shits gold. That doesn't make it a fact. The section is under his moderation. If no one wants to take responsibility fine. Until that time, I don't think it is unreasonable to assume it was him in spite of your many highly synthesized protestations.

To be more specific, I don't care what you say. What he says is clearly relevant. I never claimed to prove anything. I am making a public log of moderator actions against my posts in the section. None of this changes the fact that only he and Theymos know for sure what happened.

Have you tried asking theymos if you're really so concerned about this alleged abuse and FHF allegedly lying about it? If you haven't (or if you have and FHF is still a moderator) then it's really hard to see your actions as anything other than a smear attempt.

After Flying Hellfish very embarrassingly was caught moving posts around into unrelated sections to cause drama and being caught censoring OGNasty, I was explicitly directed by Theymos to make a post about any future complaints I have in Meta. This thread is exactly what I meant when I said "This environment is not really conductive to making public complaints.", and why my thread is locked.