Satoshi Nakamoto is by no Means a Japanese

[dantee1]

Forget about what his wiki page is saying or whatever we have read about him. Reading through Satoshi's post on this forum, anyone with common sense and good understanding of English language could see clearly that the Bitcoin founder is by no means a Japanese. I spent the whole day reading through them, and here are some outstanding posts he made prior to his disappearance. The perfect use of English is telling and undeniable.

A longer interval than 10 minutes would be appropriate for BitDNS.

So far in this discussion there's already a lot of housekeeping data required.  It will be much easier if you can freely use all the space you need without worrying about paying fees for expensive space in Bitcoin's chain.  Some transactions:

Changing the IP record.

Name change.  A domain object could entitle you to one domain, and you could change it at will to any name that isn't taken.  This would encourage users to free up names they don't want anymore.  Generated domains start out blank and the miner sells it to someone who changes it to what they want. 

Renewal.  Could be free, or maybe require consuming another domain object to renew.  In that case, domain objects (domaincoins?) could represent the right to own a domain for a year.  The spent fee goes to the miners in the next block fee.

Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale.

Bitcoin and BitDNS can be used separately.  Users shouldn't have to download all of both to use one or the other.  BitDNS users may not want to download everything the next several unrelated networks decide to pile in either.

The networks need to have separate fates.  BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices.

Fears about securely buying domains with Bitcoins are a red herring.  It's easy to trade Bitcoins for other non-repudiable commodities.

If you're still worried about it, it's cryptographically possible to make a risk free trade.  The two parties would set up transactions on both sides such that when they both sign the transactions, the second signer's signature triggers the release of both.  The second signer can't release one without releasing the other.

Again, it seems that even @theymos may probably know his true identity (real names and address) according to a forum comment he made in 2010. Where he explained that certain set of first, second, and forth posts were permanently deleted because they probably contains Satoshi's real names and address.

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[BrewMaster]

you can not possibly know that. just like we can not know who Satoshi really is. just being good at writing in English doesn't mean English is not someone's second language!

Where he explained that certain set of first, second, and forth posts were permanently deleted because they probably contains Satoshi's real names and address.

i have never heard this one before! do you have a source for this?
it is kind of hard to believe someone voluntarily publishes his real name and "address" on a public forum for no reason. and if that someone is Satoshi (a pseudo name chosen to protect the real identity) it becomes even less believable.

[bittraffic]

There are Japanese in forex forum I sometimes visit and I can see they write perfect grammar. Nothing unusual for a person to learn English as 2nd language.

There is no real information about Satoshi but just the things he created. He may not be an American either nor a European unless he will prove himself.  No matter what his nationality may be, the crypto community will still be grateful to his product. 

[dantee1]

you can not possibly know that. just like we can not know who Satoshi really is. just being good at writing in English doesn't mean English is not someone's second language!

Where he explained that certain set of first, second, and forth posts were permanently deleted because they probably contains Satoshi's real names and address.

i have never heard this one before! do you have a source for this?
it is kind of hard to believe someone voluntarily publishes his real name and "address" on a public forum for no reason. and if that someone is Satoshi (a pseudo name chosen to protect the real identity) it becomes even less believable.

I found the direct quote from theymos, and here's it below

1, 2, and 4 exist in the staff forum. 3 was permanently deleted at some point (it must have contained Satoshi's real name and address).

[dantee1]

There are Japanese in forex forum I sometimes visit and I can see they write perfect grammar. Nothing unusual for a person to learn English as 2nd language.

There is no real information about Satoshi but just the things he created. He may not be an American either nor a European unless he will prove himself.  No matter what his nationality may be, the crypto community will still be grateful to his product.  

No one is disputing that a Japanese or someone from anywhere else could learn English as the second language and be good at it. Anyone could learn English from anywhere, speaks, and write at near perfection. What we are saying in this context is that somehow the evidence would be seen in the written words. If you read what English speaking Indian has written, you would know this is an Indian. Same thing with Korean, Chinese, Russian, etc. It is difficult to suppress the mother tongue no matter how good you are with the second language. American of Japanese descent is not the same as Japanese American.

Again, Bitcoin is a much complex project that a Japanese inventor won't resist using Japanese language and characters in some of the codes and content. And deploying Japanese names as a way to camouflage his real identity should tell everyone he isn't from that origin.

Nakamoto claimed to be a 37-year-old male who lived in Japan, but some speculated he was unlikely to be Japanese due to his use of perfect English and his bitcoin software not being documented or labelled in Japanese.

Occasional British English spelling and terminology (such as the phrase "bloody hard") in both source code comments and forum postings led to speculation that Nakamoto, or at least one individual in the consortium claiming to be him, was of Commonwealth origin.

[Sharon121212]

I have friends that are from the French speaking African country but there use of English is epic. Satoshi nakamoto created bitcoin this alone would attract my pass mark to him as being a person with high level of intelligence so the understanding and the use of English should not hold ground where trying to know his nationality.

[odolvlobo]

Forget about what his wiki page is saying or whatever we have read about him. Reading through Satoshi's post on this forum, anyone with common sense and good understanding of English language could see clearly that the Bitcoin founder is by no means a Japanese. I spent the whole day reading through them, and here are some outstanding posts he made prior to his disappearance. The perfect use of English is telling and undeniable.

"Perfect use of English" does not exclude people for whom English is a second language. For example, the great writer Vladimir Nabokov is native to Russia, but I find that his command of the English language is better than most native English speakers.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I found the direct quote from theymos, and here's it below

1, 2, and 4 exist in the staff forum. 3 was permanently deleted at some point (it must have contained Satoshi's real name and address).

In case it wasn't obvious enough that he was joking, he also clarified it in this post:

It's called a joke. 

Why would someone who has gone to such great lengths to hide his identity, name, address, IPs, etc. then openly post his name and address anywhere online, let alone on a forum he was about to open to the public and give other people access to? It makes no sense. Far more likely is that he was simply testing out the trash can and moderator functions on deleting threads.

[dantee1]

I found the direct quote from theymos, and here's it below

1, 2, and 4 exist in the staff forum. 3 was permanently deleted at some point (it must have contained Satoshi's real name and address).

In case it wasn't obvious enough that he was joking, he also clarified it in this post:

It's called a joke. 

Why would someone who has gone to such great lengths to hide his identity, name, address, IPs, etc. then openly post his name and address anywhere online, let alone on a forum he was about to open to the public and give other people access to? It makes no sense. Far more likely is that he was simply testing out the trash can and moderator functions on deleting threads.

Oh really? To be honest, I didn't know it was a joke. theymos must be a jackass 

[bitmover]

I don't think he was a Japanese either, but for different reasons.

If he wants to hide his identity, he would naturally hide his nationality as well. Every piece of information he gives about his personal life can be linked together, reducing his chances to stay anonymous.

I don't understand why so many people are worried about who is Satoshi.

It really doesn't matter to me, and if one day someone appears providing some cryptography proof of his identity (like a signed message from the first coinbase tx), it would definitely be bad for bitcoin, because it would be a way to centralize it. Like Vitalik's blockchain.

[Artemis3]

Forget about what his wiki page is saying or whatever we have read about him. Reading through Satoshi's post on this forum, anyone with common sense and good understanding of English language could see clearly that the Bitcoin founder is by no means a Japanese. I spent the whole day reading through them, and here are some outstanding posts he made prior to his disappearance. The perfect use of English is telling and undeniable.

A longer interval than 10 minutes would be appropriate for BitDNS.

So far in this discussion there's already a lot of housekeeping data required.  It will be much easier if you can freely use all the space you need without worrying about paying fees for expensive space in Bitcoin's chain.  Some transactions:

Changing the IP record.

Name change.  A domain object could entitle you to one domain, and you could change it at will to any name that isn't taken.  This would encourage users to free up names they don't want anymore.  Generated domains start out blank and the miner sells it to someone who changes it to what they want. 

Renewal.  Could be free, or maybe require consuming another domain object to renew.  In that case, domain objects (domaincoins?) could represent the right to own a domain for a year.  The spent fee goes to the miners in the next block fee.

Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale.

Bitcoin and BitDNS can be used separately.  Users shouldn't have to download all of both to use one or the other.  BitDNS users may not want to download everything the next several unrelated networks decide to pile in either.

The networks need to have separate fates.  BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices.

Fears about securely buying domains with Bitcoins are a red herring.  It's easy to trade Bitcoins for other non-repudiable commodities.

If you're still worried about it, it's cryptographically possible to make a risk free trade.  The two parties would set up transactions on both sides such that when they both sign the transactions, the second signer's signature triggers the release of both.  The second signer can't release one without releasing the other.

Again, it seems that even @theymos may probably know his true identity (real names and address) according to a forum comment he made in 2010. Where he explained that certain set of first, second, and forth posts were permanently deleted because they probably contains Satoshi's real names and address.

I don't agree with you at all, but i love those quotes you brought. BitDNS was a nice idea that wasn't completed, will Theymos ever do something about it?

Those messages you refer to have been published elsewhere by Theymos, but they are quite boring test messages of someone setting up a new forum board...

The name might be fake but the origin remains unclear. How about a Japanese living abroad? I don't remember if those were the years of WinNY developers being arrested, but in Japan it is a good idea to anonymize yourself for certain things, even if they later turn out good and widely accepted...

No matter, Bitcoin still lives, and most surprisingly, the forum as well.

[pooya87]

as far as speculating about Satoshi's identity goes, i think there is a very good chance that he was not at all Japanese. he might have been a fan of anime or something that led him to choose that name. but one thing is certain, using English perfectly is not enough evidence for nationality of someone. only the opposite could have been true. meaning if he sucked at English we could say he is not native English speaker

[Indamuck]

He could be Japanese, its one of those things when you know the person suspecting you wouldn't think you are stupid enough to use a name similar to your heritage.  Satoshi is still one of the greatest mysteries of the 21st century.

[pakhitheboss]

Forget about what his wiki page is saying or whatever we have read about him. Reading through Satoshi's post on this forum, anyone with common sense and good understanding of English language could see clearly that the Bitcoin founder is by no means a Japanese. I spent the whole day reading through them, and here are some outstanding posts he made prior to his disappearance. The perfect use of English is telling and undeniable.

I do not think the Asian community in this forum would love to read your post @dantee1. This post of your sounds more racist than trying to establish the identity of an individual or a group that has been using a pseudo name to hide their identity for more than 10 years now.

Your post simply degrades anyone in this forum who's, first language is not English. From where did you come up with such a conclusion?

Such a low-level analysis is what degrading the quality of this forum.   

[slaman29]

I strongly agree that Satoshi was probably not a Japanese but I strongly disagree that it was his strong command of English that proves this.

My English is not perfect but by the way neither is Satoshi's language. I respect him a lot but I do not see him as a perfect god with perfect english and perfect coding, I think he is outstanding but please.

[dantee1]

I strongly agree that Satoshi was probably not a Japanese but I strongly disagree that it was his strong command of English that proves this.

My English is not perfect but by the way neither is Satoshi's language. I respect him a lot but I do not see him as a perfect god with perfect english and perfect coding, I think he is outstanding but please.

You are right. His English is not perfect but it sounds more western. That's the point I was trying to make in the original post.

[Kakmakr]

I strongly agree that Satoshi was probably not a Japanese but I strongly disagree that it was his strong command of English that proves this.

My English is not perfect but by the way neither is Satoshi's language. I respect him a lot but I do not see him as a perfect god with perfect english and perfect coding, I think he is outstanding but please.

You are right. His English is not perfect but it sounds more western. That's the point I was trying to make in the original post.

Satoshi might be married to someone that are from the West and they might have done the writings on his/her behalf to hide his/her true origin. <We know it is just a Pseudonym, so it is not to say that he/she has to be Japanese, just because he/she chose to use a common Japanese name as his/her Pseudonym.>

I have always suggested that Satoshi Nakamoto was a small group of people and that one or two of them was from the UK or USA, based on the language that they used. English is also not my first language, but I am more than capable to write something that makes sense. 

[avikz]

Do you all know the new drama about a new Satoshi? If not, see the below website,

https://satoshinrh.com/

Guys, how does it matter that who Satoshi is and what is his nationality?? Sometimes, privileged information can cause big harm that we can't even fathom right now! Let it be the way it is written in wiki or believe whatever the US court says! Let the real satoshi live in peace!

[DdmrDdmr]

In addition, I figure people have tried to pinpoint his/their country of residence before by going over the Bitcointalk profile stats:

Assuming stats are true to reality (*), since the chart shows the data from a non-logged account (see https://web.archive.org/web/20140420114108/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=statPanel), the data shown should be in UTC. I’d say sleep times are from 7 UTC to  12 UTC, which for an IT intensive person could fall in the range of 2AM-7AM roughly (give or take an hour). Mapping 7 UTC to 2 AM would place the physical location to be in the UTC-5 range, which is most likely to be USA or Canada (see https://24timezones.com/timezone-map).

(*) I assume the stats are true, but they could have been altered (backoffice, on the Bitcointalk DB) at some point to throw people off course. The earliest snapshot I’ve found is from April 2014, over three years after the last connection from the account).

Anyhow, pure speculation ...

[buwaytress]

I don't have the statistics to back it up, but I'm pretty sure that non-native English speakers now form the strong minority -- if not outright majority -- of forum users here.

I note that even with my own native tongue, those with the best command of language aren't native speakers. They won't have as wide nuanced vocabulary, or the accents and tinges that mark them as native speakers, but grammatically and structurally, they're flawless to a point it even sounds "wrong" to a native's ear.

But that's language for you. It's evolving and it's fluid.

Crypto used to mean cryptography. Now it's cryptocurrency, and with several variations of spelling as I've seen. Dapp? dApp? Ðapp? Which is perfect English?