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August 25, 2019, 06:40:46 AM
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I think the reason for the government to ban gambling is good. They don't want to see people lose their money in the gambling table, and they come back to their house without any money. The government wants to prevent people become poor by playing gambling, but they cannot ban gambling itself because people will use the other way to still playing gambling. With the ease of the internet connection everywhere, people can easily to visit on the online gambling games if they cannot gamble by offline. They will use the VPN to access the gambling site, and they can use cryptocurrency to stay hiding from the government. The government needs to realize about this so they will think about the other thing to reduces the number of people who were playing gambling in their country.
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August 25, 2019, 06:46:33 AM
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As you can see most of the countries in that list are Muslim country and I believe it is because gambling is Prohibited in “Koran” as those governments are religiously run

With due respect maybe it’s better to look for the countries that wasn’t run by religion so we can find much better arguments on why and what’s the reason behind banning of gambling

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August 25, 2019, 10:46:08 AM
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Here in Brazil casinos are illegal, but we can have lottery tickets, some private lottery and we are in a mid term about online gambling, we don't have any kind of regulation (and this is one of the best thing about crypto casinos, because it's different in the law, at least here)

I think every person should be responsible for their money, and there's no problem with gambling if the casinos or campanies have their own regulations

If all types of gambling are illegal, then online gambling (including sites that accept cryptocurrency) is also illegal. You won't face any issue unless you win some really big amount. But if that happens, it may be a headache to fill the tax returns. You can't say that you won the amount through gambling. They'll just send you a tax notice with 100% or 200% penalty.

It varies from county to country. If you are using vpn and bitcoin while playing online gambling in a country where the gambling is prohibited, maybe you never get caught and no government will know how much you are earning. The taxes are on the legal money which is declared in tax returns and there will be no taxes on illegal money.

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August 25, 2019, 10:50:17 AM
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As you can see most of the countries in that list are Muslim country and I believe it is because gambling is Prohibited in “Koran” as those governments are religiously run

With due respect maybe it’s better to look for the countries that wasn’t run by religion so we can find much better arguments on why and what’s the reason behind banning of gambling

I do not know how can you relate the gambling to the religion and among the countries mentioned by the OP only United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Lebanon are Muslims countries and the rest of the countries are non-Muslims.
I think its government decision of making gambling legal or illegal and it has nothing to do with the religion.


Here is a list I found with 10 countries where gambling is completely illegal.
United Arab Emirates
Brunei
Cambodia
North Korea
Japan
Singapura
Cyprus
Qatar
Lebanon
Poland

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August 25, 2019, 06:41:31 PM
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Gambling is ban to some countries because of religion or culture, in some countries, gambling is considered a sin that people are prohibited to do it and thus the government banning it. We may think it’s stupid to ban something that can be as profitable as gambling but it’s their belief or it’s part of their culture so we can’t judge them.
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August 25, 2019, 07:41:14 PM
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I think what the government's trying to do is to protect its citizens from involving in these addicting games were the main reasons why most of the people are getting poor. Just imagine the effect of it after they were done playing it is something that someone has to win and someone had to lose. With that said, it is not totally helpful. Let those illegal gamblers if they don't want to follow they will gonna pay for it if they get caught.

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August 25, 2019, 09:01:29 PM
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I don't understand exactly why some governments ban gambling. Is it like a babysitter government, trying to protect citizens from themselves? Or are they worried about something else?


If you look at your list, you can notice that all those governments have some things in common - they are very conservative, many of them are authoritarian, some are ultrareligious. So, they ban gambling because they ban a ton of other things, because they like controlling every aspect of their citizens lives. And I don't think they simply try to ban it, countries like North Korea can ban things very effectively, because they imprison or kill whole families for slightest missteps.

As gambling is highly profitable, government could make a lot of money by taxing those companies.

That's what the rest of the governments do.
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August 25, 2019, 09:36:13 PM
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Here is a list I found with 10 countries where gambling is completely illegal.

United Arab Emirates
Brunei
Cambodia
North Korea
Japan
Singapura
Cyprus
Qatar
Lebanon
Poland
source:https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2018/02/10-countries-where-gambling-is-completely-illegal/


The problem I see is that gambling is something humans always did. It is something in the human nature. We always ignore probability and think "I will be luck now, just once, and I will make money here" or something like that.

I looked at wikipedia, people gamble since 3000BC!

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Gambling dates back to the Paleolithic period, before written history. In Mesopotamia the earliest six-sided dice date to about 3000 BC. However, they were based on astragali dating back thousands of years earlier. In China, gambling houses were widespread in the first millennium BC, and betting on fighting animals was common. Lotto games and dominoes (precursors of Pai Gow) appeared in China as early as the 10th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

If government ban gambling, people will gamble illegally. Just like prohibiting drugs, people will still use drugs illegally,
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We nee to respect the decision of the that 10 country's the official didn't want to get ear profits from the gambling company and law from that country is enforce strict. Now this chance of the people residing in that 10 country to play gambling via online site using crypto. And the history about gambling from time of BC is that true people gamble but the god tell to people gamble is sin(refference bible) every states have a choices for the better of their country so we need to respect believes.
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August 26, 2019, 09:38:41 AM
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I think what the government's trying to do is to protect its citizens from involving in these addicting games were the main reasons why most of the people are getting poor. Just imagine the effect of it after they were done playing it is something that someone has to win and someone had to lose. With that said, it is not totally helpful. Let those illegal gamblers if they don't want to follow they will gonna pay for it if they get caught.

Here in my country, gambling is prohibited because of pressure from some members of the public who say that gambling violates religious rules. Gambling used to be legal, but because of the pressure, the government has to ban it. However at this time there are still many people who gamble secretly.

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August 26, 2019, 10:35:05 AM
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Historically gambling in the earlier days was much important for the kings. Most of the time it happens as a fight between two men. The winner will be given rewards, and further this was being used by common people playing between themselves challenging each other. The further progress is what we call as gambling. During the days of king rule this wasn't much played and didn't affected the common people's life.

As days passed gambling changed to be a business and more people out of greed and earning big in a short took risk and this ruined the living. This is why we've got more countries to ban gambling.

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August 26, 2019, 11:49:33 AM
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Most governments actually encourage gambling as long as it is done through legal channels and mostly state run lotteries.  They pull in a huge amount of revenue from the lottery and gullible people continue to buy those tickets not knowing the astronomical odds of winning.
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August 26, 2019, 02:22:29 PM
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As you can see in the list you have brought to us, all of the countries mentioned above are somewhat in a great condition. What I mean is they are rich countries, so furthermore countries that are somehow not stated above and allows gambling in their vicinity: the obvious is that they most likely poor countries and populated. If that's the case then somehow those countries above have maintained law and order in their place and less crimes are done. A good government is trying to stop it's citizens from being destroyed and a bad government will let you gamble all you want and  all that they care is profits from you, not caring on what you may become later on.
Yes, most of the countries he mentioned have very great economy and they most likely do not depend on taxes from gambling to excel. Is a country like united Arab that will be in support of gambling because of the benefit of taxes? These ones understand morals and they protect it at all cost. The few countries in support of this probably intend regulating it to generate money from taxes because there is bloody money in casinos. They make a whole lot of money.

If we really want to be true to ourselves, we would admit that gambling has done more harm in the society more than goo. It may have existed for eternity but that doesn’t change the fact that it has damaged so many lives, caused many to go into depression and has made many go broke.
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August 26, 2019, 03:50:54 PM
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Here in Brazil casinos are illegal, but we can have lottery tickets, some private lottery and we are in a mid term about online gambling, we don't have any kind of regulation (and this is one of the best thing about crypto casinos, because it's different in the law, at least here)

I think every person should be responsible for their money, and there's no problem with gambling if the casinos or campanies have their own regulations

Many different countries are banning or imposing some kind of restrictions to offline gambling however when it comes to online gambling government can stop websites from being accessed by a local ISP but cannot restrict anyone who is smart enough to use TOR and Vpn services to hide their IP,this becomes easier with crypto as you can withdraw to a crypto wallet which is anonymous.Maximum governments can do is to stop withdrawing directly to your bank account.

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August 26, 2019, 03:55:49 PM
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Most governments actually encourage gambling as long as it is done through legal channels and mostly state run lotteries.  They pull in a huge amount of revenue from the lottery and gullible people continue to buy those tickets not knowing the astronomical odds of winning.
This place of gambling being supported by the government as what you have mentioned, since the government is getting a huge amount of profits which they can use to finance charity works, with legal aspects the government will continue patronizing this kind of gambling and people who loves to take the risk trying their chances with fate knowing that there's only slim chances of winnings.
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August 26, 2019, 04:03:47 PM
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Many different countries are banning or imposing some kind of restrictions to offline gambling however when it comes to online gambling government can stop websites from being accessed by a local ISP but cannot restrict anyone who is smart enough to use TOR and Vpn services to hide their IP,this becomes easier with crypto as you can withdraw to a crypto wallet which is anonymous.Maximum governments can do is to stop withdrawing directly to your bank account.
Well, that is wrong. Because all online gamblings were had by their own licenses to operate and once gambling was banned in that country it means they can not operate too. There are governments that they don't like gambling in their place, just like the country of China, they prohibit gambling but there is the largest casino in Macau. If you are a Chinese citizen you can go to Macau just to gamble legally. Indeed, if your country prohibited in gambling then, just follow on it than you put on jail.









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August 26, 2019, 04:16:19 PM
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I don't understand exactly why some governments ban gambling. Is it like a babysitter government, trying to protect citizens from themselves? Or are they worried about something else?
As gambling is highly profitable, government could make a lot of money by taxing those companies.

Here is a list I found with 10 countries where gambling is completely illegal.

United Arab Emirates
Brunei
Cambodia
North Korea
Japan
Singapura
Cyprus
Qatar
Lebanon
Poland
source:https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2018/02/10-countries-where-gambling-is-completely-illegal/


The problem I see is that gambling is something humans always did. It is something in the human nature. We always ignore probability and think "I will be luck now, just once, and I will make money here" or something like that.

I looked at wikipedia, people gamble since 3000BC!

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Gambling dates back to the Paleolithic period, before written history. In Mesopotamia the earliest six-sided dice date to about 3000 BC. However, they were based on astragali dating back thousands of years earlier. In China, gambling houses were widespread in the first millennium BC, and betting on fighting animals was common. Lotto games and dominoes (precursors of Pai Gow) appeared in China as early as the 10th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

If government ban gambling, people will gamble illegally. Just like prohibiting drugs, people will still use drugs illegally,


This is true that even before the modern civilization, gambling already exist. What the government is doing is they try to control it since it can ruin the financial build-up of a person. Anyway, yes it is a human nature to gamble but not to the extent that you get addicted to it and even commit crime just to sustain the addiction on gambling.

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August 26, 2019, 07:51:42 PM
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I don't understand exactly why some governments ban gambling. Is it like a babysitter government, trying to protect citizens from themselves? Or are they worried about something else?
As gambling is highly profitable, government could make a lot of money by taxing those companies.

Here is a list I found with 10 countries where gambling is completely illegal.

United Arab Emirates
Brunei
Cambodia
North Korea
Japan
Singapura
Cyprus
Qatar
Lebanon
Poland
source:https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2018/02/10-countries-where-gambling-is-completely-illegal/


The problem I see is that gambling is something humans always did. It is something in the human nature. We always ignore probability and think "I will be luck now, just once, and I will make money here" or something like that.

I looked at wikipedia, people gamble since 3000BC!

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Gambling dates back to the Paleolithic period, before written history. In Mesopotamia the earliest six-sided dice date to about 3000 BC. However, they were based on astragali dating back thousands of years earlier. In China, gambling houses were widespread in the first millennium BC, and betting on fighting animals was common. Lotto games and dominoes (precursors of Pai Gow) appeared in China as early as the 10th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

If government ban gambling, people will gamble illegally. Just like prohibiting drugs, people will still use drugs illegally,

The reason why governments try to ban it is because it is an addiction.
And in every addiction there are many people who cannot control their desires.
It will be an entertainment for many years but rules will be placed forever...
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August 27, 2019, 06:18:32 AM
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There are two reasons, they want it monitored and regulated because this is a good source of revenues, they are banning gambling that does not have licensed, another reason is they want total control of the wealth of their people like they do in North Korea or they are ultra-religious people and it is forbidden according to their holy book.

No government can really stop gambling its part of our nature, either they imposed a stiff penalty or they regulate it
So far regulation is the most popular because it's a multi-billion dollar business, and there are cities built for gambling only.
I don’t  believe it’s all counties that ban it because they want to be in control of it regulation and even though they choose to be in control, I think it will be  a great idea because they would prevent a lot of immoral activities that the gambling operators on their own wouldn’t do because they want to make money. For instance, in some countries, for a gambling site to be licensed, it has to make KYC process compulsory and the requirement for age is here and the reason is to stop minors from gambling.

In a situation like this, we will now see that the countries are more concerned with Having the right gambling attitude than the money itself. Yes gambling has been on for years, but those days, it was done decently and kids below age weren’t permitted to play but to because of internet, you see children below 18 gambling.
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August 27, 2019, 06:54:51 AM
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I don’t  believe it’s all counties that ban it because they want to be in control of it regulation and even though they choose to be in control, I think it will be  a great idea because they would prevent a lot of immoral activities that the gambling operators on their own wouldn’t do because they want to make money. For instance, in some countries, for a gambling site to be licensed, it has to make KYC process compulsory and the requirement for age is here and the reason is to stop minors from gambling.

Almost all countries I am aware of, regulates gambling and all licensed companies have to stick to the rules and guidelines. This includes, age limit, taxations etcetera.
This is quite different from places where it us illegal and outrightly banned. These nations do not want their citizens to gamble.

And there is really no logical reason for this. Some argue that it's cause people lose from gambling, but this is based on their decisions, people lose from lots of investments, this does not mean we would ban then all.
Religious sentiments is the most common reason for countries practicing theocracy.

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August 27, 2019, 03:01:15 PM
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The reason why governments try to ban it is because it is an addiction.
And in every addiction there are many people who cannot control their desires.
It will be an entertainment for many years but rules will be placed forever...

I think that is right. The government ban gambling because gambling can make their people addicted to gambling, and they don't want to see their citizen become lazy too without the want to get work. Once people are playing gambling all day long and they become addicting, they will forget their duty, or they will forget everything because they only want to play again and again. That will be bad for people because they cannot separate which part for having fun, which part for work for their life. Maybe the government doesn't have to ban gambling, but they can make some restriction that will only allow gambling to be played for adult people.
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