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September 06, 2019, 03:02:55 AM
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The deadlines are also different around the world. There's usually no statue of limitations of serious crimes like murder either. Obviously breaking a forum rule isn't as serious as murder but as others have said, where do you draw the line? We recently started unbanning people for cases of plagiarism if it wasn't systematic and they're judged to be a net positive to the forum so it's usually not a death sentence now anyway.

What percentage of people banned for plagiarism were eventually unbanned?

BTW, actually some countries do have a statute of limitations for murder (intentional homicide), e.g. Poland and France, or had until recently, e.g. Norway.

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September 06, 2019, 03:14:01 AM
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Some would argue that those rule breakers who were caught and banned immediately after their violation could have gone on to become assets to the forum down the line should their infraction have gone unnoticed at the time.
I am in support of a specific amount of time off as punishment for breaking rules (3-5 years maybe) rather than a permanent ban. Anyone who returns after that could be valuable to the forum yet. And their accounts could begin with newbie restrictions as they grow again, regardless of their current rank.

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September 06, 2019, 03:26:10 AM
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I am in support of a specific amount of time off as punishment for breaking rules (3-5 years maybe) rather than a permanent ban. Anyone who returns after that could be valuable to the forum yet.

Would you want skiddies spreading malware to be unbanned, too? Careful what you wish for Wink

It's difficult to get permabanned without plagiarizing, spreading malware, or creating an account whose sole purpose is spamming, but I wouldn't mind if old permabanned trolls were to be unbanned one day after such a long period, e.g. MNW, Goat or NotLambchop, a several-years-long break should be enough.

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September 06, 2019, 03:50:30 AM
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Indeed, one should only be judged based on the present. However, if the post had malicious intention then deletion of post and ban is completely justified.

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September 06, 2019, 09:48:41 AM
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What percentage of people banned for plagiarism were eventually unbanned?

According to this list the number is very small, but list is not updated from July 14, and few users are unbanned after that. So from 67 forum users who open appeal thread, only 16 of them are unbanned, and only 2 fully unbanned - others get signature ban + x months of forum ban.

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September 06, 2019, 10:26:27 AM
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The deadlines are also different around the world. There's usually no statue of limitations of serious crimes like murder either. Obviously breaking a forum rule isn't as serious as murder but as others have said, where do you draw the line? We recently started unbanning people for cases of plagiarism if it wasn't systematic and they're judged to be a net positive to the forum so it's usually not a death sentence now anyway.

What percentage of people banned for plagiarism were eventually unbanned?

Admittedly it's probably only a small percentage but only a small percentage are probably appealing, especially with older cases.

BTW, actually some countries do have a statute of limitations for murder (intentional homicide), e.g. Poland and France, or had until recently, e.g. Norway.

Well yeah, usually is the key word here.

Some would argue that those rule breakers who were caught and banned immediately after their violation could have gone on to become assets to the forum down the line should their infraction have gone unnoticed at the time.
I am in support of a specific amount of time off as punishment for breaking rules (3-5 years maybe) rather than a permanent ban. Anyone who returns after that could be valuable to the forum yet. And their accounts could begin with newbie restrictions as they grow again, regardless of their current rank.


These things have to be taken on a case by case basis as for the reasons malevolent said. We really can't be unbanning certain malicious users just because x amount of time has expired. Sure, some people could or should appeal certain things especially if x amount of time has past and they can make a case that they've changed or would be an asset to the community but again, these will all have to be looked at individually.

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September 06, 2019, 10:49:42 AM
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I was banned 30 days + 2 years of signature ban due some posts of more than 3 years ago.... No big deal (I recognize my error) but I don't get why someone started to scrap the whole post history of an user and report to moderators Roll Eyes.

Maybe just to increase the % of good rep.
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September 06, 2019, 12:38:54 PM
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I was banned 30 days + 2 years of signature ban due some posts of more than 3 years ago.... No big deal (I recognize my error) but I don't get why someone started to scrap the whole post history of an user and report to moderators Roll Eyes.

Maybe just to increase the % of good rep.

Perpetuating Quicksy's fallacies LOL

You got caught because you have a shitload of plagiarised posts so your chances of getting caught were correspondingly very high. I don't think anybody targets specific users, I certainly don't because that would be a stupid waste of time - the effort that is needed to check 10k posts of one user (and probably end up with nothing) is much better spent to check 10k posts that are likely to be actual plagiarism (and probably end up with 1-2k bans).

tl;dr: Don't plagiarise.

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September 06, 2019, 01:22:04 PM
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Maybe just to increase the % of good rep.
Reporting plagiarism is an awful method to increase your number or percentage of good reports. It is time consuming and resource intensive to either manually search for the text within a post, or to scrape huge chunks of data from the forum or elsewhere to compare against.

If someone wanted to boost their reporting score, they could just pick a 100 page spam megathread from the altcoin boards and report almost every post for being spam.

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September 06, 2019, 02:17:29 PM
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If someone wanted to boost their reporting score, they could just pick a 100 page spam megathread from the altcoin boards and report almost every post for being spam.
I believe only tech-savvy can do this by scraping data and using plagiabot to find plagiarism. I don't believe that we can have time to manually check plagiarism. Report after plagiarism found is very easy and fast, but finding plagiarised posts and proofs of plagiarism are very difficulty, especially if we don't have tool to do this.
By now, we've not known who created plagiabot and how it works, but since the release and actively operation of that plagiabot, we have seen thousands of accounts banned permanently, and there is no exclusive rank.

 
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September 06, 2019, 10:26:06 PM
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I was banned 30 days + 2 years of signature ban due some posts of more than 3 years ago.... No big deal (I recognize my error) but I don't get why someone started to scrap the whole post history of an user and report to moderators Roll Eyes.

Maybe just to increase the % of good rep.

Perpetuating Quicksy's fallacies LOL

You got caught because you have a shitload of plagiarised posts so your chances of getting caught were correspondingly very high. I don't think anybody targets specific users, I certainly don't because that would be a stupid waste of time - the effort that is needed to check 10k posts of one user (and probably end up with nothing) is much better spent to check 10k posts that are likely to be actual plagiarism (and probably end up with 1-2k bans).

tl;dr: Don't plagiarise.

I know, that was long time ago Smiley. Why report it now?
No big deal because I don't care about signature, just trying to understand the reason).

What do you mean with "Perpetuating Quicksy's fallacies LOL"?

I agree with you when you say "don't plagiarise".
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September 06, 2019, 11:10:04 PM
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AFAIK, back then there is humor that there is an individual who likely made a bot to get plagiariazed contents, from the history of every user. Well, I really don't know if its true but the fact that those reports can't be possibly done by an individual within just days or a week.

So maybe it's just a mere coincidence that they caught also some posts from long time ago, although the user's only goal was to find the new ones. But still the punishment are still within the mods jurisdiction so they're really the one's whose questionable here and not the user who made a lot of reports (JMO)




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September 06, 2019, 11:40:18 PM
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I know, that was long time ago Smiley. Why report it now?

Because it's a serious violation of forum rules. Mods can decide if it's too old or which penalty is appropriate. It seems disingenuous to imply some sort of malice for finding and reporting your transgressions, old or recent, particularly since you got a huge break on it.

No big deal because I don't care about signature, just trying to understand the reason).

What do you mean with "Perpetuating Quicksy's fallacies LOL"?

I agree with you when you say "don't plagiarise".

Quickseller is trying to push this conspiracy theory that someone is targeting specific users. Obviously no proof is forthcoming. Don't be like Quickseller.

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I know, that was long time ago Smiley. Why report it now?

Because it's a serious violation of forum rules. Mods can decide if it's too old or which penalty is appropriate. It seems disingenuous to imply some sort of malice for finding and reporting your transgressions, old or recent, particularly since you got a huge break on it.

No big deal because I don't care about signature, just trying to understand the reason).

What do you mean with "Perpetuating Quicksy's fallacies LOL"?

I agree with you when you say "don't plagiarise".

Quickseller is trying to push this conspiracy theory that someone is targeting specific users. Obviously no proof is forthcoming. Don't be like Quickseller.

Yeah it sounds logical, thanks suchmoon.
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September 07, 2019, 11:16:27 AM
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I agree with you when you say "don't plagiarise".
You are a very interesting case from which users asked for reasons why you unbanned, then with sudden permanently banwave, global moderators had new rights to unban users and make signature ban as reduced alternative ban.
I'm not sure that you are the first user fortunately unbanned from perma-ban or not, but based on that topic, it seems you are the first one.
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There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

 
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I'm not sure that you are the first user fortunately unbanned from perma-ban or not, but based on that topic, it seems you are the first one.
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There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

I was never perma-banned, I got a 30 days ban.
Btw nice signature  Grin (just joking).
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I was never perma-banned, I got a 30 days ban.
Btw nice signature  Grin (just joking).
Really, @redsn0W?
Does it mean that signature will be removed with 30-days ban?
I ask because @Hhampuz still was able to wear signature with his 7-days ban.
I have an assumption that signature will only be removed if one banned due to plagiarism, for rest reasons (non-plagiarism) and different temporary bans (from 7-days, 14-days to 30-days), users can still wear signature.

 
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Really, @redsn0W?
Does it mean that signature will be removed with 30-days ban?
I ask because @Hhampuz still was able to wear signature with his 7-days ban.
I have an assumption that signature will only be removed if one banned due to plagiarism, for rest reasons (non-plagiarism) and different temporary bans (from 7-days, 14-days to 30-days), users can still wear signature.

If you visit his profile, you can see that he got a 2-year-long signature ban:

"Banned from displaying signatures until February 02, 2021, 08:16:07 PM".

I think some unbanned users ended up with shorter, 12-month-long signature bans.

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If you visit his profile, you can see that he got a 2-year-long signature ban:

"Banned from displaying signatures until February 02, 2021, 08:16:07 PM".

I think some unbanned users ended up with shorter, 12-month-long signature bans.
No, I thought that he got permanent ban, than get reduced with what you mentioned. But, as he confirmed, he has never gotten perma ban, just 30-days ban, that leads to my another question: "Did he got 30-days ban without removed signature?"

Moreover, I agreed that I only saw users get reduced bans (after successful ban appeal from perma-ban), that mostly are combination of:
- Signature ban (one or two year)
- A temporary ban (30-60 days, e.g.).

So, I guess redsn0w did not explained his case completely.
I still guess he likely got 30-days temporary ban (without posting) + 24-month signature ban.

Sorry, I checked. He got 30-days ban + 24-month signature ban at the beginning.

There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

 
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