ANN threads shouldn't be self-moderated

[hosseinimr93]

I do agree with using 300 good reports as pre-requisite to be able to create self-moderated thread.
I don't know at start, self-moderated threads born in the forum for which kind of original purposes, but in my opinion, there are only main purpose:
- To avoid spam, delete trashposts from spammers to keep high quality threads as clean as possible.
Unfortunately, over time, bad guys, includes scammers abuse self-moderated threads for their shady targets.
That suggestion makes sense because scammers usually don't spend time to report bad posts, especially 300, just to create self-moderated threads. They mostly create new account, buy Copper membership or buy hacked accounts (high ranks). 300 good reports looks good, but I don't think it will solve issues, because there are demands, there are market, and we might see a new market with 300+ good-report accounts

You are completely right about the purposes of creating self-moderated topics. But in ANN threads, some threads are made self-moderated for other reasons. Spamming the thread usually doesn't matter to them. They just want their thread to be kept on top of other threads.
I remember in most of the bounties, participants used to be forced to make certain number of posts on ANN threads. Spamming doesn't matter to them. Theymos finally deleted all the bounty threads that were forcing participants to reply to their threads. This caused number of useless posts on ANN threads to decrease.

[hd49728]

Theymos finally deleted all the bounty threads that were forcing participants to reply to their threads. This caused number of useless posts on ANN threads to decrease.

Really? I have not seen theymos wrote about that or did I miss it? If theymos announced about that, and you knew where he posted it, please share me link to that post.
Bounty threads only relate to bump, and spam, to keep their bounty thread stays on top. In that trash subboard, without bumping threads will be hurried by other threads.
ANN threads with self-moderation mostly abused to censor posts that don't satisfy threads' owners. E.g. telling about proofs of scam.

[hosseinimr93]

Really? I have not seen theymos wrote about that or did I miss it? If theymos announced about that, and you knew where he posted it, please share me link to that post.

Here is the post made by Theymos in 2014

Most giveaway threads are no longer allowed in the Alternate cryptocurrencies sections. From now on, posting or replying to such threads could result in being banned. Existing threads will be locked.

Specifically, you are not allowed to give people any incentive to post insubstantial posts in your threads. You can't offer to pay people who post their addresses, usernames, etc. You can do giveaways off-site and link to the giveaway page in a thread, but you can't give people any bonus for replying to your thread.

Similar threads are already restricted to Games and Rounds in the non-altcoin sections, but the giveaway-related post volume is so high in the altcoin sections that I've decided to just ban them entirely here.

What I has made it bold was ignored until August 2017 when mprep made the post below on August 19, 2017
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2103690.0

As I remember on that day many bounty threads all were deleted simultaneously. Not only the threads that had been considered bonus for replying to their thread. Theymos deleted all bounty threads that had asked participants to make posts on their ANN.
Before that time bounty managers used to force participants to make a certain percentage of their post on their ANN thread. For example bounty hunters had to make 10 posts which 2 of them must be on their ANN thread.

If I am not wrong discussions about that policy started from the post below.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=434310.580

[Theb]

From what I know LoyceV also have reported that they are making their ANN threads self-moderated because they also delete the post bumps being createdby them or bump services.

I haven't seen that "in the wild". It would be very obvious since theymos added a deleted-post-counter on top.

If I would create an ANN-thread, I would want it to be self-moderated to delete spam. One solution would be to only allow users with more than (say) 300 good reports to create self-moderated threads, but that goes against the forum's mission to be as free as possible.

My bad, I was actually referring to this topic you have posted a while back and maybe the point that I have missed is that the post being deleted are coming from the posters itself and not the OP deleting it manually because their ANN threads are self-moderated.  To be honest I myself don't see any workaround when it comes to the option of having self-moderated topics without affecting all parties, maybe if we add in a strike system for the user abusing their self-moderated topics then we can actually remove the user's right to use it entirely.

[dkbit98]

Are we going to see some serious conversation regarding forum rules changes??
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5036308.0

I would really want to see Newbies have restriction to create self-moderated Topics.

Can we here some DT members opinion about this?

[Saisher]

Every day, some new ANN threads are created in the forum. Many of these ANN threads are self-moderated. In my opinion, posting self-moderated topics shouldn't be allowed on "Announcements (Altcoins)".
In most cases, they make the topics self-moderated to be able to delete any post complaining them. Instead of deleting the posts, they should report the posts and posts are deleted only by moderators.
I know there are many spams in these topics. They can be only allowed to delete the posts that are made by newbies.

I agree on you they are quick to delete negative posters in their thread, because investors may find out that they are running a dubious project, they even hire bumpers and shillers, I never trust announcement thread created by newbies that are moderated, this could mean they are hiding something.

[TheUltraElite]

Are we going to see some serious conversation regarding forum rules changes??

You may but you should know that your opinion is only an opinion and not going to bring an immediate change in the system. Having a conversation is good but having a hope is false optimism. I have seen many many useful suggestions posted here but the decision of admins is what matters. You will have to wait for them to decide on this. Any attempt to force them a hurried decision only ends up in you thread getting ignored.

Can we here some DT members opinion about this?

DT members and forum administration are not the same. This decision depends on the forum administration and you will just have to wait for them to decide what is good for the forum the freedom of speech for everyone.

[hd49728]

Are we going to see some serious conversation regarding forum rules changes??
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5036308.0

I don't think so, because the forum has changed positively over months, after the appearance of merit system. I don't call that spam has entirely eliminated, but it has been reduced dramatically. I do believe that if we ignore all spamming Proof of Authentication posts from bounty threads, the level of spam significantly decreased.

To make sure the industry of signature advertisements won't be destroyed, please give your hands to find bad/ spam posts and do reports.
Cleaning up the house in Bitcoin/ Altcoin/ Gambling Discussion boards
Since 2018, what did you contribute to prevent signature ads removed globally?
I emphasized the importance of community users' contributions, and I do hope that users will support it.

[dkbit98]

Do you know how many topics and posts I reported just few days ago
that created malicious virus spreading topics and post?

It was not posted on Bounty section.

PS
Restrictions I proposed are for SELF-MODERATOR topics and Newbie accounts

[NJB18]

I agree on this. But if this cannot be changed then my stand remains that ANN moderated threads aren't reliable and truthful enough. People can create separate accusation threads though there is no assurance that ANN participants can see it without doing extra research.

[hd49728]

Do you know how many topics and posts I reported just few days ago
that created malicious virus spreading topics and post?

Who knows? It is your personal favorite work.  
You don't need to actively post in any board or sub-board in order to report spam posts. You can spend a few minutes a day to visit two pages:
Patrol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol
No-bounty: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol;nobounty. You can find spam posts outside bounty threads.
Skimming posts at two pages will save time, rather than skimming topics.

[dkbit98]

Thanks
I am well aware of those links

[hosseinimr93]

Patrol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol
No-bounty: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol;nobounty. You can find spam posts outside bounty threads.

The links you posted are really helpful. Before your post, I didn't know there is possibility of having the last posts all in one page. I would like to know if it is possible to have these posts excluding bounty threads and posts made on local boards.

[libert19]

If any Ann contains only positive statements in comments, also those spammy comments, "nice project" then it should be red flag in itself.

Every thing has two sides, positive and negative.

I would leave it as it is.

[Onuohakk]

I see nothing wrong with self-moderated post on ANN thread. If you have any difficulties about their vision or purpose, you asked question for clarification. That's why the self-moderated topic are been created for answers

[huup]

I wish our thread was self moderated. We have so much scam spamming we can’t even read normal messages anymore and the admins refuse to act on it. I see the problem that deleting negativity isn’t good. But our thread is completely taken over with: insults, personal threads, discrimination. Homophobia and scam spamming which is all forbidden. Multiple users have complained and try reporting it on multiple levels. Nothing happens. I know now the discussion is being held to not engage with this platform anymore as it is lacking the professionalism.
It’s a shame, so yes I would definitely vote for self moderation.

[ahmadakbari]

I wish our thread was self moderated. We have so much scam spamming we can’t even read normal messages anymore and the admins refuse to act on it. I see the problem that deleting negativity isn’t good. But our thread is completely taken over with: insults, personal threads, discrimination. Homophobia and scam spamming which is all forbidden. Multiple users have complained and try reporting it on multiple levels. Nothing happens. I know now the discussion is being held to not engage with this platform anymore as it is lacking the professionalism.
It’s a shame, so yes I would definitely vote for self moderation.

You can simply report any post you want to moderators. Posts containing links, advertising and any kind of spam will be deleted by moderators just after they are seen.

[huup]

I wish our thread was self moderated. We have so much scam spamming we can’t even read normal messages anymore and the admins refuse to act on it. I see the problem that deleting negativity isn’t good. But our thread is completely taken over with: insults, personal threads, discrimination. Homophobia and scam spamming which is all forbidden. Multiple users have complained and try reporting it on multiple levels. Nothing happens. I know now the discussion is being held to not engage with this platform anymore as it is lacking the professionalism.
It’s a shame, so yes I would definitely vote for self moderation.

You can simply report any post you want to moderators. Posts containing links, advertising and any kind of spam will be deleted by moderators just after they are seen.

Yes it should be like that. But I think we have reported it more then 100 times now between us as users. The feeling that starts to rise is that the admins are in it to. Nothing happens even worse. They start deleting our rebuttal.

[suchmoon]

I wish our thread was self moderated.

Lock the old thread, start a new one.

The feeling that starts to rise is that the admins are in it to.

Sure, admins care so much about your scammy shitcoin... you should consider reading the rules perhaps.

[huup]

I wish our thread was self moderated.

Lock the old thread, start a new one.

The feeling that starts to rise is that the admins are in it to.

Sure, admins care so much about your scammy shitcoin... you should consider reading the rules perhaps.

Yes I have read the rules. What is it exactly you mean where we don’t follow the rules? And where the rest we complain about are according to the rules? And you also thanks for a civil conversation.