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September 11, 2019, 06:46:10 AM
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Admin already globally displayed the message, that is enough, in my opinion. After logging in, users will see it under their avatars.
Oh well, I just stated my suggestion for I think it's quite useful other than making it a news.
(Lazy Me: I didn't see that news actually, not until you've mentioned it, I rarely look at that portion of the forum,... 😅)




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September 11, 2019, 06:55:29 AM
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There's long been a problem of spammy bumping being used to keep topics near the top, but lately it's become unbearable. Therefore, on these three boards, bumping has changed:
 - Service Announcements
 - Announcements (Altcoins)
 - Tokens (Altcoins)
How about the Service Announcements(altcoins) board?
I think that board could also use this feature since it also sometimes attracts bumpers

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September 11, 2019, 07:05:32 AM
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Does this mean we should no longer report thread bumps to the moderator?

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September 11, 2019, 07:10:58 AM
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Does this mean we should no longer report thread bumps to the moderator?
Not a Chance. There will be still crazy users that will stay using the old bumping method. So we You can still report them as usual. (we you should still report them) (I just report when I feel it so I don't consider myself to be one of you good reporters 😊)




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September 11, 2019, 08:26:21 AM
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Finally a solution to this problem. Thank you theymos. Looks a bit complicated at first but if I understand it correctly I should be careful where I post if I disclose a spam or scam so I don't unintentionally bump their topic. Sometimes I post just to follow whats happening on the thread.
Anyway I'm closing my other thread.

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September 11, 2019, 10:05:17 AM
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Are there any intentions to bring this to other subs too ?

I am explicitly thinking about subs which are for information exchange (Development & Technical Discussion / Technical Support / Beginners & Help).
IMO this would make it way harder to keep track of all (new posts) in a topic where questions might have been asked.

Can we be assured that there are no intentions (yet) to bring that bump button to these boards which highly focus on the exchange of knowledge ?

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September 11, 2019, 10:11:52 AM
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IMO this would make it way harder to keep track of all (new posts) in a topic where questions might have been asked.

You can sort by last post time with one click, even if this new sort order gets implemented.

You can also "watch" the whole board so any new topic gets added to your watchlist.

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September 11, 2019, 10:17:52 AM
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You can also "watch" the whole board so any new topic gets added to your watchlist.

I'd rather not do this. I include single topics into my watchlist where i know i might have to reply later (because of technical issues / questions / to help / etc.) and topics which i am interested in reading.
My watchlist is already large enough  Grin



You can sort by last post time with one click, even if this new sort order gets implemented.

You are right, i didn't think about that  Roll Eyes

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September 11, 2019, 10:22:27 AM
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Another opportunity for few users to start complaining about this change. By the way, this is a realistic move which was needed to take control of these boards. Good job theymos.

There will be no more newbie accounts with first post saying that, "This is a great project and I am selling my kidney to join it" :-P



That kidney part is really funny  Grin

Well that means newbies and thread pumpers will be forced to find another way

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September 11, 2019, 10:53:35 AM
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Well that means newbies and thread pumpers will be forced to find another way

I'm selling my power bumps for 0.001 BTC a piece.



No but seriously, its a great idea. I'm not going to be reporting self bumps in these sections anymore, which will cut down on my reporting by 90%. Sure the mods won't mind too much.

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September 11, 2019, 11:32:13 AM
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A day ago......

Quote from: Loycev
The fact that this hasn't been implemented might mean it's not that simple to implement on SMF.

Theymos:
Hold my beer!

Stompix:
I think is great...altough I'm still not 100% sure if it's not exploitable in some way. When it comes to breaking rules some spammers are really creative.
I think I'll check some threads full of bumping and see if any of them make it back to the top page and if they do for how long!

LE:
Seems like it starting to take effect:



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September 11, 2019, 11:34:51 AM
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Well that means newbies and thread pumpers will be forced to find another way

I'm selling my power bumps for 0.001 BTC a piece.
This can happen at the end like merit, ANN bumping, trust. But theymos will keep record the thread bumper and their statistics, so it's pretty easy to track down them and ban the user as well as trash the thread (this will also have a flaws). In that case, service fee may vary  Cheesy

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September 11, 2019, 11:52:05 AM
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Unless I am missing something, which is possible, a potential issue I see is that a few people with a lot of posts and merit can band together to keep a pet project on top.

Odds are it's not going to happen, and I might be 100% wrong on how I am reading it, but couldn't a band of a few high post / high merit legendary users keep the davecoin post on top?

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September 11, 2019, 12:36:32 PM
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Therefore, on these three boards, bumping has changed:
 - Service Announcements
 - Announcements (Altcoins)
 - Tokens (Altcoins)
Is there a reason Bounties (Altcoins) isn't included in this list? Those topics get their exposure from spamming "Proof of"-posts, and if those posts don't bump the thread anymore, bounties that don't allow spam stand a chance too.

if I understand it correctly I should be careful where I post if I disclose a spam or scam so I don't unintentionally bump their topic.
That was my first thought too. One could argue that was always the case, except that my post now has a much higher bumping power. It would be nice to be able to turn that off for certain posts. Or I may need to use my LoyceMobile or even LoyceBot for certain posts.

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So you're saying you don't use the Watchlist yet? See theymos' explanation.

A day ago......

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September 11, 2019, 12:50:56 PM
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if I understand it correctly I should be careful where I post if I disclose a spam or scam so I don't unintentionally bump their topic.
That was my first thought too. One could argue that was always the case, except that my post now has a much higher bumping power. It would be nice to be able to turn that off for certain posts. Or I may need to use my LoyceMobile or even LoyceBot for certain posts.

Damn, I was thinking the same, if we can switch off the bumping option and post only comments as "newbie" or I have to create an alt for this (I hope not).
BTW the Bounty section also came to my mind as there is also a bumping competition, maybe it will be added too.

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September 11, 2019, 01:11:27 PM
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I bumped oldest (not locked) thread I could find and it seems working.

We should see how this is working in a few days, when spambies realize that their weather forecast discussion won't bump threads any more.

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September 11, 2019, 01:17:33 PM
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A logical update. But it will be interesting. I wonder how it works.

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September 11, 2019, 01:25:55 PM
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Unless I am missing something, which is possible, a potential issue I see is that a few people with a lot of posts and merit can band together to keep a pet project on top.

Certainly they will try, but it will be much more difficult than before, which is what is important.

I bumped oldest (not locked) thread I could find and it seems working.

We should see how this is working in a few days, when spambies realize that their weather forecast discussion won't bump threads any more.

Was it this one by any chance?



I saw it and thought, hmm, maybe there's a bug introduced somehow, because the OP didn't bump it.

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September 11, 2019, 01:26:53 PM
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But really, people should just superbump good topics whenever they think to do so, and not worry about this sort of strategizing.

I'm not concerned that much about my own bumps, just looking for loopholes that farmers could exploit. It looks like if they have ~30 high-merit accounts they could keep one or two threads super-bumped to the front page. Likewise if they have a bunch of high-merit accounts they could also mini-bump multiple threads. That might be more feasible since mini bumps don't cost anything (other than maintaining earned merits) but they would need a lot of accounts to overcome the 7-day limit.

Those sound like very costly scenarios so likely not a big deal.

~30 high-merit accounts does sound very costly, close to impossible.. I think most people are lucky to have a single account with any significant amount of merit, and this is merit earned in the last year, so old farmed merit will go out of date and they will have to keep farming 30 accounts with fresh merit..
What they will need is a constant stream of fresh merit to retain their bumping power..

I think this also means your last years accumulated activity, like you have to have actually hit all of the activity periods in the last year to get your 365 max..

I should be careful where I post if I disclose a spam or scam so I don't unintentionally bump their topic.
my post now has a much higher bumping power. It would be nice to be able to turn that off for certain posts. Or I may need to use my LoyceMobile or even LoyceBot for certain posts.

I think Theymos could add a way to sage your post if he wanted to..

Just like Merit, Trust and Flags, theymos managed to come up with something that I have to read several times to fully understand it's potential! I'm curious to see how it works out long-term.

It's getting to the point to where one needs to be quite educated in all of these systems to really understand how the forum works.. The users manual is getting thick but it's not even all in one manual.. Also the evil system, ranks and badges, account recoveries, captcha bypass, etc. before you even get into forum etiquette..
I don't mind this really.. It's another way to distinguish who has put in the time and effort to get to and stay in the know about it all, but past the point where I would expect any but the top users to understand everything..

Bitcointalk function quizzes sound fun, something like https://play.howstuffworks.com/quiz/can-you-name-these-engine-parts-a-onesentence-description..

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September 11, 2019, 01:47:14 PM
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Was it this one by any chance?



I saw it and thought, hmm, maybe there's a bug introduced somehow, because the OP didn't bump it.
Yep.

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