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September 14, 2019, 11:27:08 AM
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Hey @theymos - might want to factor in detecting the same IP for daily bumps if you know what I'm getting at.

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September 15, 2019, 07:50:17 AM
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This feels great. My only worry is that good new projects could be getting buried by old ones.
People could be bumping based on their past/recent experiences with old projects. Good new projects with "nothing immediate to offer" could get ignored. Few would be willing to go through whitepapers and stuff like to understand the potentials of "weird new projects" . I guess the new projects will be tempted to offer indirect incentives to encourage people to bump.
This is a great improvement nevertheless


 
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September 15, 2019, 07:58:12 AM
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This feels great. My only worry is that good new projects could be getting buried by old ones.
People could be bumping based on their past/recent experiences with old projects. Good project with "nothing to offer immediately" could get ignored. Few would be willing to go through whitepaper and stuff like that to understand their potentials. I guess they will be tempted to offer indirect incentives to encourage people to bump.
This is a great improvement in nevertheless
It is still possible to sort the topics by the last post.
New projects can run signtaure campaign to be visible on all boards of the forum
New projects can advertize their token/ICO/IEO in other platforms.
New topics can be super bumpped by a user who is interested in the project.


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September 15, 2019, 09:54:50 AM
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This feels great. My only worry is that good new projects could be getting buried by old ones.
People could be bumping based on their past/recent experiences with old projects. Good new projects with "nothing immediate to offer" could get ignored. Few would be willing to go through whitepapers and stuff like to understand the potentials of "weird new projects" . I guess the new projects will be tempted to offer indirect incentives to encourage people to bump.
This is a great improvement nevertheless


The issue of (alleged) incentives behind bumps is a real concern for several users just as is the possibility that good new projects could indeed be buried by old projects.

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September 15, 2019, 12:44:36 PM
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I remember that this issue regarded to bumping the threads was discussed in this January. Now the algorithm has been implemented. I like the idea suggested by theymos. The "Bump" button should be useful.

I guess that the bounty hunters will bump the ANN threads of the projects in which they participate. Is it allowed?


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September 15, 2019, 01:39:43 PM
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I guess that the bounty hunters will bump the ANN threads of the projects in which they participate. Is it allowed?

For bumping a topic you should 1. make a post on that or 2. click on the "bump" button ( If you have merits)

1. make a post (mini bump)
It is not allowed to ask bounty hunters to make a post on a certain thread because:
you can't give people any bonus for replying to your thread.

2. Click on "bump" button (super bump)
It's impossible to track who has clicked on "bump" button. Also, bounty managers have not access to the amount of bump power of bounty participants.
For now, I am intentionally not making it public who bumped each topic, since that way you can't prove that you bumped anything, and this may prevent people from selling their bumps as easily. I don't particularly object to making the approximate bump scores or bump powers public, but I didn't do this yet.

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September 15, 2019, 02:27:03 PM
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I guess that the bounty hunters will bump the ANN threads of the projects in which they participate. Is it allowed?

Mini-bumps - as hosseinimr93 mentioned - still fall under the same rules as before (low-effort incentives, spam, etc).

Not sure yet if we should be worried about incentivizing super-bumps. It doesn't seem that the usual bounty hunter crowd would have a lot of bump power to begin with. Right now the "zero bump score" threads start on page 4 of the Altcoin ANN board, used to be page 6 a couple of days ago. So it looks like after wasting the initial super bumps there is a lot less bump power to go around. This could mean that even a tiny bump could be valuable, or maybe some projects would be willing to get to at least page 4 and would still use newbie shitbumping "services"... we'll have to wait and see how this evolves.

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September 15, 2019, 09:44:07 PM
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Right now the "zero bump score" threads start on page 4 of the Altcoin ANN board, used to be page 6 a couple of days ago. So it looks like after wasting the initial super bumps there is a lot less bump power to go around.

And I actually recognize the names of half of the alts on the first 4 pages! Some good oldschool stuff on there..

We all probably played with our bumps when it first came out like we all played with merit when it first came out.. Big spike on the first few days..

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September 16, 2019, 05:02:33 AM
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People are finally beginning to figure it out. Today was the first day I checked the Altcoin ANN board and didn't see my Shitcoin thread on the first page!  Cheesy

Going to look for other fun things to test my powerbump out on.

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For other busy marketplace boards such as Digital goods, I'd like to wait a while and see how this goes, but they are possible later additions.
The digital goods subs, and to a lessor extent, the service sub, generally have a target audience who are not forum members, or are less active forum members. I would suspect many of these businesses have very few, if any customers who can bump their thread.

The service announcement and the altcoin subs listed in the OP have businesses that are likely to have a wide range of forum members, and they should have customers who have the merit and activity to bump these threads.



You're right. I think that the auto-stabilization property I described actually is desirable, though, so I changed the system to provide it. Now your super-bump power is: b*(1-0.15*s/b), where b is your base power and s is the total bump score you've contributed via superbumps over the last 30 days. This gives the same result as the previous algorithm except when any 30-day period overlaps with another.
I simplified your formula to as follows:
b*[0.85^(s/b)]

I am fairly confident the above is the intention, but have no way of testing if it is implemented because I have superbumped threads in the past 30 days. If the 's/b' is an exponent, I can rule out the '0.15' from being the base because if someone has never superbumped any threads, the exponent will be zero, and the parenthesis would be simplified to '1-1', or zero, and if the 0.15 is multiplied by 's/b' the rolling 30 day cumulative superbump score (assuming 1 superbump per day) varies a lot for the first 90 days after the first 30 days of superbumping. Using an exponent to 0.85 results in the superbump power stabilizing within 60 days if someone superbumps one thread per day.

I have charted both the above exponent formula, and 0.15 being multiplied by s/b below:
b*[0.85^(s/b)]


0.15 being multiplied by 's/b':


I have also charted the individual superbump power if someone bumps one thread per day based on the exponent formula:


loyceV charted individual superbump power based on 0.15 being multipled by s/b.

I have uploaded the underlying data to a google docs spreadsheet.

I am still experimenting, but my current hypothesis is that the multiplication formula can be gamed by stopping superbumping for several days when the superbump value gets very low, while the exponent formula stabilizes quickly enough so that this strategy of gaming will not work.


IMO, the 30 day cumulative superbump score is more significant than the individual 30 day superbump score each day (assuming one superbump per day). The 30 day cumulative superbump score will show how easily someone can game the system by bumping many threads at once and waiting 30 days to superbump again.

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I am a good user, I come on here to chat in my favorite coins threads. and somehow I am unable  to "boost" the thread and no one else on here has the ability to see the thread to reply?? I will not longer use the platform.


Where is this so called "Boost Button" located anyway??? I do not see anything by my print button?Huh

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The “boost Button” (Super bump really) appears on the top right quarter of the screen, next to "reply| watch| notify| mark unread | print | bump". Since you have no earned merits of your own over the last rolling year, you do not have any bump power, thus it probably does not show for you. In addition, your regular posts on those threads will not inherently perform a Mini bump for the same reason.

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I am a good user, I come on here to chat in my favorite coins threads. and somehow I am unable  to "boost" the thread and no one else on here has the ability to see the thread to reply?? I will not longer use the platform.


Where is this so called "Boost Button" located anyway??? I do not see anything by my print button?Huh
Maybe you should take time to read the OP to understand the new bump format.
Your activity and earned merit in the last one year have a big contribution to your bumping power.

If you no longer want to use the platform because of this nice update, then you are free to go. The major aim of this implementation is to avoid spammy topic bumping which has been rampant in the past.

 
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September 17, 2019, 10:13:53 AM
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First of all, very complicated system.

Also, this seems that it will give an advantage to a cartel of established merit farmers or Bot accounts who will merely analyse this "bump" system and further game it to ensure only their pet projects appear in the catalogue. as opposed to the anarchic first-come-first-served bumping scheme originally in place. 

there are many things that need fixing with this forum but this was not one of them.

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September 17, 2019, 10:27:39 AM
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Where is this so called "Boost Button" located anyway??? I do not see anything by my print button?Huh



(You're welcome)

IMO, the 30 day cumulative superbump score is more significant than the individual 30 day superbump score each day (assuming one superbump per day). The 30 day cumulative superbump score will show how easily someone can game the system by bumping many threads at once and waiting 30 days to superbump again.

I'll try it out...

A calender month as in every 30 days, or 31? (or 28??)



Am still a little unclear about the deleted posts how they count.

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September 17, 2019, 11:25:59 AM
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Love it. Great solution.

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I am a good user, I come on here to chat in my favorite coins threads. and somehow I am unable  to "boost" the thread and no one else on here has the ability to see the thread to reply??

You are one of those that triggered this measure.
This is your contribution to the forum:

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The Popnomics cloud is great!
Whats next?

So is this confirmation we are going to be on new exchange? How soon?

I hear on chat that POP is going on a new exchange, what exchange is this?

Yes, that is many people today on Popnomics, its good

Good job POP

POP Project is becoming successful, there are even more users than there was 5 months ago

I am Going to Order 1 Now

POP is Doing Good


I will not longer use the platform.

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September 17, 2019, 12:10:11 PM
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A calender month as in every 30 days, or 31? (or 28??)
It's 30 days. I assume it works the same as source Merits, which means it's 30 days exactly up to the second.

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Am still a little unclear about the deleted posts how they count.
You can only bump by posting if you haven't posted in the past 7 days (and it doesn't matter if that post was deleted or not).
Your bump is only valid if your post doesn't get deleted.

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September 17, 2019, 11:51:05 PM
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My one merit enables me to bump, however after a little bit of experimenting, I came across this:


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September 17, 2019, 11:59:20 PM
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My one merit enables me to bump, however after a little bit of experimenting, I came across this:


Become more active, make quality posts and earn more merit and then you may have more bumping power  Wink

It's starting to bite in on people who thought that making quality posts and gaining merits was useless

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