Bumping changes on some boards

[LoyceV]

Interesting. It does appear to work the way I would have expected it to work and not quite as described in the OP. Good point about non-targeted boards. I'll play around with it.

Now that I'm more awake than last night, that does make more sense indeed.

@theymos: can you confirm my edits in your quote (in bold) make it correct?

Mini bumps

If you haven't posted in a topic bumped a topic by posting in it in the last 7 days, posting in it adds 1% of your base bump power to the topic's bump score. Deleted posts count against the 7-day limit, but not the topic's bump score.

[hosseinimr93]

@theymos: can you confirm my edits in your quote (in bold) make it correct?

Mini bumps

If you haven't posted in a topic bumped a topic by posting in it in the last 7 days, posting in it adds 1% of your base bump power to the topic's bump score. Deleted posts count against the 7-day limit, but not the topic's bump score.

Your post bumped this thread on October 3. So the post you made on September 30 shouldn't have bumped the thread. But there is no post by you in September 24-30.
Have you deleted any posts made in September 24-30?

[bumbacoin]

lol this new system makes for bizarre

i am not awake enough to try and fathom this ingenuity
it's just bizarre the 2014 and 2016 threads that are floating up.





oh i see, it's super bumped..
doesnt require actual posting 

It would appear almost nobody has caught on to the new bump feature, or else their bumps are not very powerful. I bumped all of the following non-bolded threads within the span of about half an hour. Commenting on them secures their position on the top.



Eventually people will catch on, as I think market forces will dictate that people learn the system to continue promoting their projects. But until then, good. Let people be confused and have to learn the new system. Really the ANN should be listed on a project website or other social media, and then people find it that way.

I've been following the progress of ANNs that hired Vitor Services to bump their threads. Some have stopped participating but some are still paying these schmucks to leave pointless comments in their threads, probably unaware that they aren't doing jack except for cluttering their thread with spam.

[nutildah]

Yes, to be honest I was just doing some experiments in the name of research.

I'm amazed that nobody has caught on to the "bump" system, outside of a handful of threads. People are too ingrained in the old way of doing things to notice change.

[bumbacoin]

i dont see any bump button,
possibly because i havent posted much recently?

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i have to say i was amused by your choices

[TryNinja]

i dont see any bump button,
possibly because i havent posted much recently?

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i have to say i was amused by your choices

Keep note that it only appears on the boards where these changes were applied

- Service Announcements
 - Announcements (Altcoins)
 - Tokens (Altcoins)
 - Bounties (Altcoins)

I can see the button in these boards, but not in this one, for example (because it's on Meta).

[LoyceV]

@theymos: can you confirm my edits in your quote (in bold) make it correct?

Mini bumps

If you haven't posted in a topic bumped a topic by posting in it in the last 7 days, posting in it adds 1% of your base bump power to the topic's bump score. Deleted posts count against the 7-day limit, but not the topic's bump score.

Your post bumped this thread on October 3. So the post you made on September 30 shouldn't have bumped the thread. But there is no post by you in September 24-30.
Have you deleted any posts made in September 24-30?

Yes, on the 26^th.

[bumbacoin]

i dont see any bump button,
possibly because i havent posted much recently?

--
i have to say i was amused by your choices

Keep note that it only appears on the boards where these changes were applied

- Service Announcements
 - Announcements (Altcoins)
 - Tokens (Altcoins)
 - Bounties (Altcoins)

I can see the button in these boards, but not in this one, for example (because it's on Meta).

well i cant see it anywhere

[TryNinja]

well i cant see it anywhere

Yelp, you probably don't have any more bump "power".

I just checked that thread and I can see the button (I never post in the Altcoin board, so my power must be higher than yours).

[hosseinimr93]

@theymos: can you confirm my edits in your quote (in bold) make it correct?

Mini bumps

If you haven't posted in a topic bumped a topic by posting in it in the last 7 days, posting in it adds 1% of your base bump power to the topic's bump score. Deleted posts count against the 7-day limit, but not the topic's bump score.

Your post bumped this thread on October 3. So the post you made on September 30 shouldn't have bumped the thread. But there is no post by you in September 24-30.
Have you deleted any posts made in September 24-30?

Yes, on the 26^th.

So your statement is 100% true. This is more reasonable and more fair.
If what Theymos had said was true, even if 1000 high-merit users are active in a thread and post every day, they would never mini bump the thread. That was not fair.

Yelp, you probably doesn't have any more bump "power".

He has never had bump power from the time the new bumping system was introduced. Because he hasn't earned any merit in the last 365 days.
His bump power will remain zero until he earns a merit.

[theymos]

The other thing that I can't quite get my head around is how the weekly post window works. If I post on the thread every day then according to the formula in the OP:

If you haven't posted in a topic in the last 7 days, posting in it adds 1% of your base bump power to the topic's bump score. Deleted posts count against the 7-day limit, but not the topic's bump score.

it would seem that only the first post will bump it, since every subsequent post that is still in the 36-hour window will have up to 6 previous posts in the 7-day window... so no bump?

My phrasing was inexact: when you post in a thread, the system checks whether you minibumped the thread in the last 7 days. If so, there is no bump effect. If not, you minibump the thread. But separately, at bump score calculation time, minibumps from now-deleted posts are not counted, even though they will continue to count for the 7-day window.


It sounds like people really want a "do not bump" option, so I'll probably end up adding that.

[JollyGood]

It sounds like people really want a "do not bump" option, so I'll probably end up adding that.

You might be on to something there but adding more functionality after recently adding the "bump" button might not be a good idea. Giving consideration to more modifications after allowing time for familiarity with the current ones might be better.

[Lafu]

Since its now nearly 4 weeks as the bump changes was added i have changed my mind of it to a good one.
Specialy for the first days it was hard to find the fake anns but it has an positiv effect for that and there is now less fake anns as before!
So well done on that theymos.

[JeromeTash]

Since its now nearly 4 weeks as the bump changes was added i have changed my mind of it to a good one.
Specialy for the first days it was hard to find the fake anns but it has an positiv effect for that and there is now less fake anns as before!
So well done on that theymos.

Yeah, it's an awesome feature.

The Fake ANNs have been reduced somehow... Anyway in case you need to look out for fake ANNs more effectively since they are usually new. You can just add a few characters at the end of the url to a certain board.

Code:

;sort=first_post;desc

For example on the Announcements (Altcoins) board;

Code:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0;sort=first_post;desc

Will get you the most recently made topics.

[JollyGood]

Since its now nearly 4 weeks as the bump changes was added i have changed my mind of it to a good one.
Specialy for the first days it was hard to find the fake anns but it has an positiv effect for that and there is now less fake anns as before!
So well done on that theymos.

The thing I noticed is that sock-puppets are continuing to post in their threads but they are no longer rising to the top of the listings page, in so many cases they are languishing in pages 4 and 5 onwards. When users with some history post they do have an effect in rising the listings page. That in itself is a positive thing for the forum.

I hope sock-puppet operators such as coinsbit and p2pb2b scammers leavbe this space for good since their posting has no effect on the listings page and their fake conversations to each other are not generating any new users to join their scam exchanges.

[suchmoon]

Some stats on the likely effect of this change:

Number of new posts during the two-week period between August 18-31 (before this change): 131219
Number of new posts during the two-week period between September 22 - October 5: 142907
Increase of 11688 posts or +9% (helped in part by Yobit I would assume).

However the number of new posts on the 4 affected boards (for the same time periods) is...

Before: 58406
After: 46781
Decrease of 11625 posts or -20%.

[stompix]

Decrease of 11625 posts or -20%.

And probably it will get even worse..or better? Hmmm, not sure what to use here!
Give the spammers the required 3 month period in which they notice changes in the forum policy and since crypto talk has opened its doors probably half of those numbers in 2 months? Not even counting the bear market, the decline of ICOs and everything else.

The only thing that saddens me when looking in the altcoin section is that even some once quality topics and interesting coins are almost deserted and only used to spam exchanges or mining pools.....I assume it's even worse in the token section.
But anyhow, that's reality, those boards were destroyed by spam, maybe beyond repair now.

Posting in altcoin threads is tricky now. The ones that I'd like to bump - I don't have much to say about them that hasn't been already said so I would sound like a spammer. The ones that I'd like to criticize - I don't want to bump them.

Suchmoon_mobile I was thinking of creating and alt myself just to tell all the morons who are still bumping the topics about the changes.

It sounds like people really want a "do not bump" option, so I'll probably end up adding that.

Maybe an option in the user panel with "I don't want my posts to bump topics" that can be disabled at will?

[suchmoon]

Suchmoon_mobile I was thinking of creating and alt myself just to tell all the morons who are still bumping the topics about the changes.

The thought crossed my mind but that sounds kinda CH-level-shady if I create an alt just to troll some shitcoin threads...

Maybe an option in the user panel with "I don't want my posts to bump topics" that can be disabled at will?

I'd prefer a checkbox next to the "Post" button, checked by default, and if you uncheck it - no bump for that one post. I would forget to change the global option and would end up messing something up.

[Timelord2067]

I didn't bump for nearly two weeks and nearly 24 hours later, [SXC][NSFW] Sexcoin is still sitting in pole position.



    

[JollyGood]

It would appear almost nobody has caught on to the new bump feature, or else their bumps are not very powerful. I bumped all of the following non-bolded threads within the span of about half an hour. Commenting on them secures their position on the top.



Eventually people will catch on, as I think market forces will dictate that people learn the system to continue promoting their projects. But until then, good. Let people be confused and have to learn the new system. Really the ANN should be listed on a project website or other social media, and then people find it that way.

I've been following the progress of ANNs that hired Vitor Services to bump their threads. Some have stopped participating but some are still paying these schmucks to leave pointless comments in their threads, probably unaware that they aren't doing jack except for cluttering their thread with spam.

Yes anything Vitor Services related remains in the doldrums of the listing pages where not many people watching them. They only seem to appear in the first page of the listings when a genuine user posts exposing them as a scam.

I am fairly sure those projects are aware of the fact those spam posts they paid for are doing nothing except cluttering but they are still increasing post count and thread pages thus giving the impression there is some activity for those that are gullible enough to believe it.

The new system catering for a "bump" seems to have badly affected the sock-puppets and paid shills business.