Roger Ver why is he red trusted?

[mangoleaf]

I'm an avid watcher of Roger Ver's bitcoin channel and he was talking about bitcointalk forum and how his old threads have him labeled as a scammer.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10310

I think Roger Ver is gernerally a good guy and has done a lot for crypto, He worked his butt off to promote bitcoin in the early days and is one of the reasons that crypto has come so far.

Why can't we just let people have their own beliefs on what the block size to be, I don't remember Roger actually ever stealing money from anyone, I don't think he deserves those red marks.

[AB de Royse777]

I think Roger Ver is gernerally a good guy and has done a lot for crypto, He worked his but off to promote bitcoin in the early days and is one of the reasons that crypto has come so far.

He is a misdirection to the community. He still speaks for Bitcoin but sells his BCH shit. He is still selling the name of Bitcoin to benefit from his BCH shit. For example: the site name --> BitcoinDOTcom

Go to the site, you will see he is pushing BCH but the entire site is branded with Bitcoin's fame. There are a lot of people still come to the scam accusations board complaining that they thought they were buying Bitcoin but bought BCH.

[Last of the V8s]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP1YsMlrfF0

This video was recorded at the MTGOX headquarters on July 17th,  2013.

Transcript:  I'm Roger Ver, long time Bitcoin advocate and investor.
Today I'm at the Mtgox world headquarters in Tokyo Japan.
I had a nice chat with MTGOX CEO, Mark Karpeles, about their current situation.
He showed me multiple bank statements, as well as letters from banks and lawyers.
I'm sure that all the current withdrawal problems at MTGOX are being caused by the traditional banking system, not because of a lack of liquidity at MTGOX.
The traditional banking partners that MTGOX needs to work with are not able to keep up with the demands of the growing Bitcoin economy.
The dozens of people that make up the MTGOX team are hard at work establishing additional banking partners, that eventually will make dealing with MTGOX easier for all their customers around the world.  For now,  I hope that everyone will continue working on Bitcoin projects that will help make the world a better place.

[SaltySpitoon]

I don't remember Roger actually ever stealing money from anyone, I don't think he deserves those red marks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2835521.0

I don't care about Roger Ver all that much, but promoting BCH as BTC using Bitcoin.com is fraud.

Bitcoin.com is owned by some guys promoting their Bitcoin Cash and pretending it is the real Bitcoin. They literally say so in the title of this article. Basically, the site Bitcoin.com is responsible for confusing clueless newbies, and in a way they scammed you into buying an inferior Forkcoin.

[ABCbits]

I think Roger Ver is gernerally a good guy and has done a lot for crypto, He worked his butt off to promote bitcoin in the early days and is one of the reasons that crypto has come so far.

In past? Yes
Today? Many people would say no

Why can't we just let people have their own beliefs on what the block size to be, I don't remember Roger actually ever stealing money from anyone, I don't think he deserves those red marks.

If you check comment of the red trust, the main reason some member did it because Roger Ver misleading users between BTC and BCH.
Imagine if you want buy BTC, but got BCH instead. It's even worse if you realized it after attempt to withdraw it to your BTC wallet.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't care about Roger Ver all that much, but promoting BCH as BTC using Bitcoin.com is fraud.

I don't keep up with the big names of the crypto community, but I'm familiar with Roger Ver's name and have seen him speak in some video about bitcoin.  If he did indeed mislead people into buying BCH instead of bitcoin, then he certainly does deserve a red tag.  That's not my battle, and I'll take people at their word here who said he did just that. 

The dude seems really kooky IMO, and my impression was formed by a few things he said (which I can't recall) and not just his hard-on for bitcoin cash.  How is it that all the crazy people get rich?

Go to the site, you will see he is pushing BCH but the entire site is branded with Bitcoin's fame. There are a lot of people still come to the scam accusations board complaining that they thought they were buying Bitcoin but bought BCH.

Yeah, that's just ridiculous.  And it's sad, because I'm sure there are many newcomers to bitcoin who wouldn't know the difference.

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This is why he is red trusted - he is a shameless liar. His cult of personality dependent altcoin cannot stand and survive on its own (lack of) merit. He knows that, and his bag holders know that too. So they turn to the only weapon they have left; trick newbies in to thinking BCH is "bitcoin" by lying all across their website. They aren't even brave enough to use bitcoincash.com or a bitcoincash twitter handle. Everything they do is to try to fool people who don't know better in to thinking that BCH is a bitcoin and not some useless, barely used, altcoin.

He's more than welcome to believe whatever he wants regarding block size. He isn't being red trusted for holding an opinion about block size. He is being red trusted for lying, scheming and scamming newbies out of their money by selling them a second rate altcoin which he disguises as bitcoin.

[The Cryptovator]

Never mind if someone like to fork bitcoin blockchain since its open source. But if they present their coin as a real bitcoin then it would not fair at all and its highly equal to fraud. A fork of Bitcoin could not be real Bitcoin. All fork coin should be consider as a normal Altcoin. But Roger Ver & Craig Wright did same thing. Both of them claimed that their forked coins (BCH & BSV ) are real bitcoin. And Roger Ver promote his coin behind of bitcoin.com. By this way he have mislead Bitcoin users especially who are nob. That's the reason why lot of forum users think that he is a fraud. Never  mind even he is a multi Billionaire but on this forum he is a user like us. So whoever think Roger Ver cheating with community they might left negative feedbacks even they are not on DT network.  


I am wondering why OP is much interested about that matter? Are you hunting merit by creating a Hot topic? I am suspecting that.

Am I allowed to report my own posts for this thread? Still trying to get 1 merit so I can post pictures.

Fortunately your one line post history preventing to send you merit. I and not going to feed you because so many spammer will gather on this thread.

[AB de Royse777]

Almost forgot:

Bitcoin.com Honorable mention
Well, I thought it worth mentioning. It's the strategy they use to mislead new users in the crypto space. If you visit the bitcoin.com website, you will notice that they are using the brand image of Bitcoin but pushing the visitors to buy their bCash shitcoin. Great example is the domain name itself (Bitcoin.com). Every now and then we see users are confused and writing in the forum that they wanted to buy Bitcoin but they end up buying Bitcoin Cash (shitcoin). In other words they thought they were buying Bitcoin but they bought Bitcoin Cash (shitcoin)

[yogg]

I believe Roger Ver is misleading everyone as he is shilling an altcoin on a page accessed with the https://www.bitcoin.com/ URL.
This website is referring to Bitcoin as Bitcoin Core, which is only the name of a Bitcoin client/wallet. Why won't they sell some "Electrum" coin ?  

What he does is a fraud.

Also, he seems to be easily condescendant and haughty towards people.
Just look at this 1mn video to see what I'm talking about : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB0mG7wMvM8

Ver was once called "Bitcoin Jesus", but this time is long gone now.
That title goes to Andreas Antonopoulos nowadays.

Maybe we can refer to Ver as the "Bcash god" today.  

[TECSHARE]

I am not a general opponent to valid forks based on consensus, but I am certainly opposed to hijacking type political type forks, which IMO BCH does clearly qualify for. It is debatable if he deserves these tags, but one of crypto's main weaknesses is the ability to run these politically motivated forks based on popularity. This is not what forks are intended for. Forks are intended as a way for the general user base to "vote with their feet" so to speak in support of a fork that makes significant, required, and substantial improvements to the networks protocol. What BCH is, is essentially an altcoin rebranded as a fork. If he had just called it an altcoin I personally would be 100% supporting him right now. This is one of the main weaknesses of the general open source crypto protocol as it exists now, at any moment events can be manipulated to split the community in two and cleave off not only market share, but brand name recognition, and infrastructure. I find this inherently deceitful.

[LTU_btc]

I think Roger Ver is gernerally a good guy and has done a lot for crypto,

Here is place where I stopped reading. Ver is a good guy? C'mon... Yeah, maybe in past he did good things, but it don't justify what he is doing now. Spreading propaganda against Bitcoin, shady promotion of Bitcoin Cash is reasons why he deserves red trust. Just look at his Youtube channel, Bitcoin.com website, Reddit/btc and you will see how he is brainwashing people.
Though, this red trust have minimal impact for Ver, since he don't use Bitcointalk anymore and he is using these feedbacks for another his fake story.

[mangoleaf]

Some fair points raised but I still agree with Roger on a lot of topics, especially the censorship of r/bitcoin.  Can't say anything negative about bitcoin or even any discussion of alternate coins and theories without the mods deleting your post.

He still genuinely wants all of crypto to succeed, he doesn't just hold bcash, he has lots of alts including fat stacks of bitcoin still.  I really think he is a good guy but he can be too passionate sometimes.  Think he is someone we need on our side because our main enemy is the traditional finance system.

[suchmoon]

Can't say anything negative about bitcoin or even any discussion of alternate coins and theories without the mods deleting your post.

I can't talk about cucumbers on the Apple subreddit... must be censorship.

He still genuinely wants all of crypto to succeed, he doesn't just hold bcash, he has lots of alts including fat stacks of bitcoin still.  I really think he is a good guy but he can be too passionate sometimes.  Think he is someone we need on our side because our main enemy is the traditional finance system.

I don't think having a proven liar "on our side" is going to help, not to mention that you can't really get him "on our side" merely by removing red trust. We would all have to convert to his bcash religion.

[MemoryDealers]

If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed. 

[AB de Royse777]

If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed.  

So what is your definition for "peer to peer electronic cash currency system"?

Adding "cash" with a forked coin does not make it "The Bitcoin".
And what is "Bitcoin core"?


If you have problem with Bitcoin then why are you using the Brand image of Bitcoin to sell your BCH altcoin?
Misleading the people who heard about Bitcoin and wanted to have some and since they do not know much about the coin, you take the chance and inject them your Bitcoin Cash saying it's Bitcoin. You are not helping people in the Bitcoin space anymore, you are after your personal gain.

[o_e_l_e_o]

If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed.

Right, but doing this was totally not scammy at all:


For bonus laughs, compare the BTC and BCH prices to today.

[Indamuck]

I never want to laugh at anyone that lost a lot of money but I will say that BCH increased more than BTC after that last market low back in December, I have some friends that bought BCH at $80 and cashed out at $400.

I'm guessing Roger is at least a billionaire, and I'm sure he genuinely believes he is doing the right thing. I do see his argument about peer to peer cash system but there are other altcoins that do that even better and I still don't own any significant amount of BCH.

[yogg]

If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed.  

If someone buys BCH thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed.

This is what you do.


Kudos for expressing yourself here, and I can only encourage you to do it further !
We understand you don't like how people must bid with fees in order to get their tx included, but consciously advertising BCH for BTC is not an answer.
It only misleads newcomers and makes the whole "crypto thing" even more difficult to apprehend.

[TheNewAnon135246]

If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed.  

Serious question: Have you ever read "A Cypherpunk's Manifesto? Please read it, it will only take you a few minutes. It explains perfectly what is meant by 'electronic cash'. It has nothing to do with (unsafe) 0-confirmation transactions or low transaction fees.