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September 25, 2019, 09:27:54 AM
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You are saying that BTC market cap will go up relative to other coins as from the 2nd picture,right? And the alts will go down.
The first  picture shows BTC dominance going down but alts going up . This doe snot make sense .The BTC dominance should increase if the second picture is true.
sometimes the price of bitcoin goes down but the price of altcoin goes up, but more frequent case is the price of bitcoin falls then altcoin falls, because the dominance of bitcoin is very large in the crypto market. Likewise today, the price of bitcoin is stable as is the entire crypto market.
Until such time bitcoin will be in a comfortable stage where investors will be aggressive in investing again, we will not see a growth for altcoins.
it's been very unpredictable since the correction started, when BTC is up, altcoins could either rise or fall, but most of the time it will drop as its initial reaction but if bitcoin will dump hard, the harder altcoins will dump, and that's the reason why altcoins from its ATH loses a significant value.

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September 25, 2019, 04:15:54 PM
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I'm not sure the flippening would actually happen, but people will start speculating about it again for sure.

It's possible too. The ETH supply is growing a lot faster than the BTC supply, so overtaking BTC's market cap is getting easier and easier in terms of price. Market cap is such a dumb metric......
Do you hear what you are saying at all, and do you have your facts? I think you are just basing your judgment here on assumption because I have not seen any much growth in the community of Ethereum, it was of recent that someone even complained that Ethereum fee is getting far higher than bitcoin which is the leverage that they have had over Ethereum, but with the introduction of lighting network, people no longer complain of bitcoin transaction that much again, and everyone still prefers to receive their payment with bitcoin.

Since I have been in this market, all my payments and all my received money has all been through bitcoin, which I have never for once thought of Ethereum because even this bitcoin fee that some people are complaining about it not that much to me, you can never compare the payment of fee in our local bank to that of bitcoin.

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October 04, 2019, 03:46:39 PM
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I couldn't agree more... As IEOs have been the most popular way of funding I think ETH is going to lose more value on the long term.
Could be, but I doubt it.  In fact I believe Eth is undervalued right now and is one of those coins on the chart in the op that's going to survive 10 years from now.  The rest of them I am far from sure about.

As a result, Bitcoin is going to rise more on value and increase its dominance.
Well it doesn't look like that's going on based on the chart...but its possible that these are only temporary shifts in 'dominance'.  I put that word in quotes because I'm not convinced that market cap is a good indicator of market dominance.  A lot of it has to do with adoption and the strength of a coin's community.  I very much doubt that bitcoin is ever going to give up that dominance to another coin, not even Eth which I think is in a solid second place as far as that goes.

I believe that it is almost impossible to predict which market will be tomorrow.
It is impossible indeed, but the fact that market cap proportions are changing probably means something.  What it means I couldn't say but its interesting data.  I did notice that the coins aside from Eth aren't gaining much traction in terms of market cap.  That will likely remain the same and some of those coins will probably drop off the map in the long term.
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October 04, 2019, 05:55:45 PM
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I believe that it is almost impossible to predict which market will be tomorrow. The problem is that people are afraid to try something new, and the world of cryptocurrency is still very young. But still, we hope that the cryptocurrency will cope with all the difficulties and will again be on top.

I think, you have truth, if we speaking about an "ideal market". But, as you says - crypto-market don't "ideal" at this time. If somebody knows more about a software-development AND a little about MARKET, then it has a big chance to "predict" the future. He / she visits sites of the project (i.e. github site also!!!), chat with dev's, and KNOWS MORE about a project already, as OTHERS (i.e. "only" traders).

Please see my predictions on tradingview, and I should say - for me was from middle 2011 Bitcoin, Namecoin, Litecoin, ... later Peercoin, ... later NXT, ... always a good chance and a possible investment in the crypto world...:

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A critique of Bitcoin (PoW critique) from late 2011 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54222.0
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October 08, 2019, 03:45:50 AM
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During many ICOs have scam and many investor do not interested with ICOs project investment, ETH looks have bad change price and keep stay at lower, its have big effect after ICO is not success anymore and many investor never joining ICO again, for raising up ETH maybe we need and ICO owner make new ICO could profitable.

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October 08, 2019, 07:41:47 AM
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investors are looking at more realistic and dubious new directions, we can understand that because there's always a sense of worry
it is difficult to gain full investor confidence, with that kind of thinking only a portion will develop and survive
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October 08, 2019, 08:02:14 AM
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prognosis is very cool stuff. even if they fail, then oh, come on, it was just a prognosis!
but if it shot to ten, then so much hype and joy  Grin
but the fact  is : what do we have - bitcoin was, still is and would the strongest and most valuable crypto coin . this is a fact. the rest is just a probability.

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October 08, 2019, 09:15:44 AM
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investors are looking at more realistic and dubious new directions, we can understand that because there's always a sense of worry
it is difficult to gain full investor confidence, with that kind of thinking only a portion will develop and survive

They are indeed looking for realistic  project where they can get benefited especially after the terrible 2018 and 2019 wherein most of the projects were dead and some turned out of be scam as a result they are more cautious now which will make the investment difficult especially  for the ICO and IEO. But if we get couple of fantastic project with a technology of future which  will yield decent amount of profit to investors then it might change the perspective.

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October 08, 2019, 10:45:46 AM
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The main pull behind ETH's rise during the last bull market seems to have been ICOs. I don't think that this hype will repeat however, so I'm not sure about whether ETH will make that much of a comeback.
It a hard reality that everyone should understand, we saw a good rally in ETH because the ICO market was booming during that time and i made my profit during that time and so does everyone but we know the situation now, there is no successful project in the market and the scammers took full advantage of the ETH token facility to run away with the money and now we hardly see any investment in the altcoin market.

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October 08, 2019, 10:55:06 AM
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investors are looking at more realistic and dubious new directions, we can understand that because there's always a sense of worry
it is difficult to gain full investor confidence, with that kind of thinking only a portion will develop and survive
indeed, there are many investors who are not too interested in cryptocurrency because cryptocurrency price movements may not be too good so as to make the market sluggish, hopefully with a good development can encourage investors.

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October 08, 2019, 12:23:54 PM
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investors are looking at more realistic and dubious new directions, we can understand that because there's always a sense of worry
it is difficult to gain full investor confidence, with that kind of thinking only a portion will develop and survive
indeed, there are many investors who are not too interested in cryptocurrency because cryptocurrency price movements may not be too good so as to make the market sluggish, hopefully with a good development can encourage investors.
But still, there are many who are holding the crypto and waiting for the improvement in the conditions. People still have faith in the market but hesitate a little to make any further new investments in the bearish market. I think such conditions would prevail till a next bull run hits the market...

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October 08, 2019, 12:37:42 PM
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investors are looking at more realistic and dubious new directions, we can understand that because there's always a sense of worry
it is difficult to gain full investor confidence, with that kind of thinking only a portion will develop and survive
indeed, there are many investors who are not too interested in cryptocurrency because cryptocurrency price movements may not be too good so as to make the market sluggish, hopefully with a good development can encourage investors.
But still, there are many who are holding the crypto and waiting for the improvement in the conditions. People still have faith in the market but hesitate a little to make any further new investments in the bearish market. I think such conditions would prevail till a next bull run hits the market...

but how can be the next bull run start when everyone is afraid to make a move ? you said people are waiting and hodling , the other man said that investors are not interested on cryptos anymore  .  that is what im worrying  .  maybe we need a miracle this time

but also when i realized that this event that we experience right now is not already new because infact last year was way more tragic than today but cryptos manage to make a recovery right ?  . theres always a chance
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October 08, 2019, 01:05:31 PM
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I'm not sure the flippening would actually happen, but people will start speculating about it again for sure.

It's possible too. The ETH supply is growing a lot faster than the BTC supply, so overtaking BTC's market cap is getting easier and easier in terms of price. Market cap is such a dumb metric......

There are other metrics too - the number of transactions per day, adoption in a wide variety of ways, the number of businesses built on top of the coin. Ethereum has a lot of stuff built on it's platform, whereas the lightning nework was supposed to have done the same and has failed.

 
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October 08, 2019, 05:14:50 PM
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But still, there are many who are holding the crypto and waiting for the improvement in the conditions. People still have faith in the market but hesitate a little to make any further new investments in the bearish market. I think such conditions would prevail till a next bull run hits the market...

but how can be the next bull run start when everyone is afraid to make a move ? you said people are waiting and hodling , the other man said that investors are not interested on cryptos anymore  .  that is what im worrying  .  maybe we need a miracle this time

If you really think small holders like us change the market then you are wrong! Most of the time, prices are shaped by big investors (whales) who generally wait for market conditions like one at present when there is not much movements and then they manipulate market by either buying or selling part of their holdings. So we just have to wait for one such out-break, once it happens, rest of the market will respond and if price increases, it will turn into bull run because of FOMO sentiment!

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October 08, 2019, 08:51:39 PM
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You're vision look like it has real cover behind it with some deep research so I would expect bitcoin to drop in price again but I'm not so sure about ETH being bullish as I think its time for another altcoins to shine. However, we're gonna enter in the re-accumulation period for cryptocurrencies and another sale is about to happen and some of us waited a long time for price of altcoins to come down this much.

About bitcoin the chart is nothing similar like 2017 as if its like that then it has become to predictable and bitcoin and the markets are never easy to predict and sometimes almost impossible. I do appreciate your charts but only big investors and whales drive the price in this game and lets hope the right coins will pump and bitcoin will not drop so much in price as your prediction tells.

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October 09, 2019, 04:03:35 PM
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The reality is that ethereum made that money thanks to it is blockchain, it could be thanks to ICO's, it could be thanks to Dapps but eventually ethereum is used for it is blockchain which is a good utility to have for a coin and that is all we can hope for comparing all the other coins just publishes as a new coin and doesn't work for anything else, there are thousands of coins that literally doesn't work for anything at all.

Hence, I would say that ethereum still has a good chance to be a huge coin, it at least works for something and people could do ICO's and Dapps once again when ethereum is mined with staking instead of rigs so people would want more and more ethereum to stash which would help them a whole ton to profit even without doing anything.

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October 09, 2019, 05:06:43 PM
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I believe that it is almost impossible to predict which market will be tomorrow. The problem is that people are afraid to try something new, and the world of cryptocurrency is still very young. But still, we hope that the cryptocurrency will cope with all the difficulties and will again be on top.

If you are an experienced trader and you watch the market all day and look at the charts in detail,
you can have some indications of where the cryptocurrency market is going to move on the future. Of course there are possibilities to end in wrong conclusions but still it is a good way to predict the market.
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October 09, 2019, 05:41:39 PM
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Hence, I would say that ethereum still has a good chance to be a huge coin, it at least works for something and people could do ICO's and Dapps once again when ethereum is mined with staking instead of rigs so people would want more and more ethereum to stash which would help them a whole ton to profit even without doing anything.
I actually bought most of my Ethereum largely for the purpose of staking them. I however don't think stakers will end up generating a ton of profit as you say, but just enough to make people sit on their coins and not sell them.

Time will tell how long I will keep holding them, but I like the idea of having a passive income stream. This is what a lot of people are after and therefore invest in a wide variety of scams where they lose their money.

I am not entirely confident in the shift from POW to staking because it's not as easy as people think it is, and there are a lot of other incentives that come into play. I would say that the odds of seeing Ethereum staking are about 50%.

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October 09, 2019, 08:11:05 PM
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Hence, I would say that ethereum still has a good chance to be a huge coin, it at least works for something and people could do ICO's and Dapps once again when ethereum is mined with staking instead of rigs so people would want more and more ethereum to stash which would help them a whole ton to profit even without doing anything.
I actually bought most of my Ethereum largely for the purpose of staking them. I however don't think stakers will end up generating a ton of profit as you say, but just enough to make people sit on their coins and not sell them.

Time will tell how long I will keep holding them, but I like the idea of having a passive income stream. This is what a lot of people are after and therefore invest in a wide variety of scams where they lose their money.

I am not entirely confident in the shift from POW to staking because it's not as easy as people think it is, and there are a lot of other incentives that come into play. I would say that the odds of seeing Ethereum staking are about 50%.
In my opinion, you really did very right, because Ethereum is practically one of the best assets that can bring its owner even five or six times profit (from 190 dollars to 1300 dollars), especially when you consider the maximum prices for Ethereum at the beginning of 2018  of the year.  I am sure that we will again reach last year's indicators after a certain time.

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October 10, 2019, 12:30:19 AM
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Interesting. I don't know if you meant for the gradient of BTC dominance's decrease to be to scale, but that does seem like a steep decline.

I highly doubt that it'll drop below 50% even in the worst case scenario this time round, because of how many institutional players there are within the market who don't have the risk appetite for cryptos other than BTC which has proven to be the most stable in the long run.

This is the main difference from the last bull market to this time round - the introduction of institutional investors. The reason why BTC dominance was so low was because retail investors are more prone to FOMO, and seeking quick profits, without restraints in terms of risk.
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