Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son

[TwitchySeal]

You don't need a FOIA to get access to public records such as subpoenas. This is just an excuse to deflect from the fact that you can not, and will never be able to produce those subpoenas, because they never existed.

 

Giuliani and Pompeo have both acknowledged receiving subpoenas. You're saying you know better than them and that they didn't. That makes you an idiot. Its not worth wasting my time with you any further.

I disagree with the premises of this argument. Isn't it possible that reporters, and/or many people, consider virtually any kind of document that demands or requests, from an official entity a "subpoena?" EG, they may have a broader definition of the word than you/Techshare/I have.

Exactly, and this was the whole game from the beginning. They issued carefully worded requests for information/testimony and simply CLAIMED they sent a subpoena, then told the media they actually did, and like the lapdogs they are they repeated it, and people like Nutilduuuuuh, TwittySeal, and Suchgoon sucked it down like the thirsty bias confirming TDS sufferers they are. Now that this is all over with, they can't produce any of the documents and are reduced to trying to distract with stories about "Mike Pompeo says" and FOIA requests rather than just admitting they are chumps that parrot whatever the idiot box tells them without ever checking for themselves.

Guiliani and Pompeo have both acknowledged receiving a subpoena.  It's not a matter of what 'reporters and/or other people consider'.  Just Pompeo and Rudy.

Pompeo letter to congress: "The department also acknowledges receipt of the subpoena"
Rudy tweet: "I have received a subpoena"

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[Spendulus]

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Exactly, and this was the whole game from the beginning. They issued carefully worded requests for information/testimony and simply CLAIMED they sent a subpoena, then told the media they actually did, and like the lapdogs they are they repeated it, and people like Nutilduuuuuh, TwittySeal, and Suchgoon sucked it down like the thirsty bias confirming TDS sufferers they are. Now that this is all over with, they can't produce any of the documents and are reduced to trying to distract with stories about "Mike Pompeo says" and FOIA requests rather than just admitting they are chumps that parrot whatever the idiot box tells them without ever checking for themselves.

Well, then this endless tirade makes sense sort of.

Regardless, there is a huge difference between "I received a request from (Someone/something very powerful who you wouldn't want to not obey)" and "I received a legal subpoena."

[TwitchySeal]

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Exactly, and this was the whole game from the beginning. They issued carefully worded requests for information/testimony and simply CLAIMED they sent a subpoena, then told the media they actually did, and like the lapdogs they are they repeated it, and people like Nutilduuuuuh, TwittySeal, and Suchgoon sucked it down like the thirsty bias confirming TDS sufferers they are. Now that this is all over with, they can't produce any of the documents and are reduced to trying to distract with stories about "Mike Pompeo says" and FOIA requests rather than just admitting they are chumps that parrot whatever the idiot box tells them without ever checking for themselves.

Well, then this endless tirade makes sense sort of.

Regardless, there is a huge difference between "I received a request from (Someone/something very powerful who you wouldn't want to not obey)" and "I received a legal subpoena."

Some people received requests that weren't subpoenas.  I believe there were 5 of them in the state department.

But Pompeo received a Subpoena.  So did Rudy.  If they simply received a request, why would they say they received a subpoena?

Pompeo : "The department also acknowledges receipt of the subpoena"
Rudy : "I have received a subpoena"

[TECSHARE]

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Exactly, and this was the whole game from the beginning. They issued carefully worded requests for information/testimony and simply CLAIMED they sent a subpoena, then told the media they actually did, and like the lapdogs they are they repeated it, and people like Nutilduuuuuh, TwittySeal, and Suchgoon sucked it down like the thirsty bias confirming TDS sufferers they are. Now that this is all over with, they can't produce any of the documents and are reduced to trying to distract with stories about "Mike Pompeo says" and FOIA requests rather than just admitting they are chumps that parrot whatever the idiot box tells them without ever checking for themselves.

Well, then this endless tirade makes sense sort of.

Regardless, there is a huge difference between "I received a request from (Someone/something very powerful who you wouldn't want to not obey)" and "I received a legal subpoena."

Yes, there is. However if they were to simply call it what it was, they would then have to battle all of the MSM and toadies like here in this thread, and some how make them understand something that they don't want to understand, that there were only carefully worded requests for information sent, and not valid subpoenas. It is much easier to just play along with their stupid games and not cooperate, because they have no authority to compel them.

[Spendulus]

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Exactly, and this was the whole game from the beginning. They issued carefully worded requests for information/testimony and simply CLAIMED they sent a subpoena, then told the media they actually did, and like the lapdogs they are they repeated it, and people like Nutilduuuuuh, TwittySeal, and Suchgoon sucked it down like the thirsty bias confirming TDS sufferers they are. Now that this is all over with, they can't produce any of the documents and are reduced to trying to distract with stories about "Mike Pompeo says" and FOIA requests rather than just admitting they are chumps that parrot whatever the idiot box tells them without ever checking for themselves.

Well, then this endless tirade makes sense sort of.

Regardless, there is a huge difference between "I received a request from (Someone/something very powerful who you wouldn't want to not obey)" and "I received a legal subpoena."

Some people received requests that weren't subpoenas.  I believe there were 5 of them in the state department.

But Pompeo received a Subpoena.  So did Rudy.  If they simply received a request, why would they say they received a subpoena?

Pompeo : "The department also acknowledges receipt of the subpoena"
Rudy : "I have received a subpoena"

What i'm suggesting is that there are at lest in some peoples' minds, various meanings to the word. And some use it in the general sense of a demand or request from (Congress, whomever...)

Be advised though I'm not seeing this in the dictionary definitions.

[TECSHARE]

I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that Bidens chances at winning the nomination just shot up.

If Trump would have immediately got in and prosecuted this case, he would have been accused of being too thirsty to attack his political opponents. If he had done it during the mid-terms, he would have been accused of trying to use it as a political tool to win elections. Doing it any time during the impeachment farce, he was accused of using it to distract from impeachment. Here we are within sight of the 2020 presidential election, and now he is being accused of using it to attack his political opponent. I think the Democrats would prefer that they are simply just never investigated for their own crimes.

[TwitchySeal]

I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that Bidens chances at winning the nomination just shot up.

If Trump would have immediately got in and prosecuted this case, he would have been accused of being too thirsty to attack his political opponents. If he had done it during the mid-terms, he would have been accused of trying to use it as a political tool to win elections. Doing it any time during the impeachment farce, he was accused of using it to distract from impeachment. Here we are within sight of the 2020 presidential election, and now he is being accused of using it to attack his political opponent. I think the Democrats would prefer that they are simply just never investigated for their own crimes.

I agree with all of this.

But I have a hard time believing that the reason Biden hasn't been indicted yet is because Trump is worried about what he'll be accused of.

I think they either don't have a strong enough case to give to a grand jury, or, if they do, they are holding it back till we are closer to either the DNC or general election.

The first scenario seems way more probable, and I think it's likely the same reason Hillary, Comey, Mcgahn and anyone else he's promised to lock up years ago hasen't even been charged.

However, I wouldn't put it past him to have sealed indictments on all of them already.  Imagine the impact of a July/August front page with all of them in hand cuffs.
Very unlikely there's enough evidence, and Trump probably wouldn't be able to contain himself if there was.

[TECSHARE]

I agree with all of this.

But I have a hard time believing that the reason Biden hasn't been indicted yet is because Trump is worried about what he'll be accused of.

I think they either don't have a strong enough case to give to a grand jury, or, if they do, they are holding it back till we are closer to either the DNC or general election.

The first scenario seems way more probable, and I think it's likely the same reason Hillary, Comey, Mcgahn and anyone else he's promised to lock up years ago hasen't even been charged.

However, I wouldn't put it past him to have sealed indictments on all of them already.  Imagine the impact of a July/August front page with all of them in hand cuffs.
Very unlikely there's enough evidence, and Trump probably wouldn't be able to contain himself if there was.

Or perhaps you are simply underestimating the scope and impact that these indictments will have. If he did it too soon, he would risk starting a civil war. This was the entire point of pushing the Russia collusion narrative from day one, to make it look like he was the one engaging in a coop as opposed to resisting one.

[TwitchySeal]

I agree with all of this.

But I have a hard time believing that the reason Biden hasn't been indicted yet is because Trump is worried about what he'll be accused of.

I think they either don't have a strong enough case to give to a grand jury, or, if they do, they are holding it back till we are closer to either the DNC or general election.

The first scenario seems way more probable, and I think it's likely the same reason Hillary, Comey, Mcgahn and anyone else he's promised to lock up years ago hasen't even been charged.

However, I wouldn't put it past him to have sealed indictments on all of them already.  Imagine the impact of a July/August front page with all of them in hand cuffs.
Very unlikely there's enough evidence, and Trump probably wouldn't be able to contain himself if there was.

Or perhaps you are simply underestimating the scope and impact that these indictments will have. If he did it too soon, he would risk starting a civil war. This was the entire point of pushing the Russia collusion narrative from day one, to make it look like he was the one engaging in a coop as opposed to resisting one.

First I've heard the 'civil war risk too high to indict the Dems' theory...at what point does indicting Biden not risk starting a civil war?  Wouldn't the chances be going up, not down, the closer we get to the election?

edit: You may have mentioned it as a reason Hillary hasn't been locked up yet now that I think about it.

[TECSHARE]

"The Other Biden Problem: James Biden Now Facing Allegations Of Influence Peddling"

https://jonathanturley.org/2020/03/10/the-other-biden-problem-james-biden-now-facing-allegations-of-influence-peddling/


Semi-related:

"Joe Biden: Father of the Drug War's Asset Forfeiture Program"

https://mises.org/wire/joe-biden-father-drug-wars-asset-forfeiture-program

[TECSHARE]

DONNA WARREN
@DonnaWR8
   
" ‘I have the memo that shows Hunter Biden was engaged in a 14.6 million dollar MONEY LAUNDERING scheme. The prosecutor got that 3 days before he was fired. The prosecutor has been POISONED. ... He was POISONED with MERCURY. Never even covered in the American press.’ "

[TECSHARE]

"$3.5 Billion Missing, Obama Administration Covered Up"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zDzM9xYJKU

[Spendulus]

"$3.5 Billion Missing, Obama Administration Covered Up"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zDzM9xYJKU

That's enough to build THE WALL!

[TECSHARE]

Oh plenty will come of this, don't worry cupcake. Biden's legacy is over, and many other high level officials are going to face prosecution. You argue about meaningless peripheral issues all you like. The truth is coming out, and your butt is going to be so hurt you are going to suffer a prolapse from the sheer force of your head being yanked out of your ass when the news breaks.

[squatz1]

"$3.5 Billion Missing, Obama Administration Covered Up"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zDzM9xYJKU

That's enough to build THE WALL!

Hm, this is interesting. Haven't seen it anywhere else. Seems weird that none of this has hit any of the news as it is already 3 months or so old, makes me question the fact that not even Fox News has even covered it. I mean Giuliani does say in this piece that this money was unaccounted for, not stolen. He alleges that SOME of it was stolen, some of it was this and that.

He also says that some of the money was going to left wing causes, which while despicable, I assume is the case for EVERY single administration.

[TECSHARE]

"Phone Calls Between Biden And Ukraine's Poroshenko Leaked; Details $1 Billion "Quid Pro Quo" To Fire Burisma Prosecutor"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/phone-calls-between-quid-pro-joe-biden-and-ukraines-poroshenko-leak-explicitly-details



"Senate GOP Compile Massive Subpoena List For FBI Abuse Probe; Demand Unredacted Susan Rice Letter"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/senate-gop-compile-massive-subpoena-list-fbi-abuse-probe-demand-unredacted-susan-rice



"Declassified Rice Email Confirms Obama, Biden And Comey Targeted Flynn"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/declassified-rice-email-confirms-obama-biden-and-comey-targeted-flynn

[TwitchySeal]

"Declassified Rice Email Confirms Obama, Biden And Comey Targeted Flynn"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/declassified-rice-email-confirms-obama-biden-and-comey-targeted-flynn

Here's the declassified part:

"Director Comey affirmed that he is proceeding ‘by the book’ as it relates to law enforcement. From a national security perspective, Comey said he does have some concerns that incoming NSA Flynn is speaking frequently with Russian Ambassador Kislyak. Comey said that could be an issue as it relates to sharing sensitive information. President Obama asked if Comey was saying that the NSC should not pass sensitive information related to Russia to Flynn. Comey replied ‘potentially.’ He added that he has no indication thus far that Flynn has passed classified information to Kislyak, but he noted that ‘the level of communication is unusual.'"\

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000172-2e48-d57a-ad7b-7e6f97060000

They were discussing whether or not to give Flynn classified information before Trump took office.

The email points to Obama not wanting to have anything to do with the law enforcement side of things.  Just the National Security stuff.

"The President stressed that he is not asking about, initiating or instructing anything from a law enforcement perspective. He reiterated that law enforcement team needs to proceed as it normally would by the book."

[Balthazar]

"Phone Calls Between Biden And Ukraine's Poroshenko Leaked; Details $1 Billion "Quid Pro Quo" To Fire Burisma Prosecutor"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/phone-calls-between-quid-pro-joe-biden-and-ukraines-poroshenko-leak-explicitly-details

Ahaha... Waiting for another bunch of "Total BS" comments.

[TECSHARE]

"Declassified Rice Email Confirms Obama, Biden And Comey Targeted Flynn"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/declassified-rice-email-confirms-obama-biden-and-comey-targeted-flynn

Here's the declassified part:

"Director Comey affirmed that he is proceeding ‘by the book’ as it relates to law enforcement. From a national security perspective, Comey said he does have some concerns that incoming NSA Flynn is speaking frequently with Russian Ambassador Kislyak. Comey said that could be an issue as it relates to sharing sensitive information. President Obama asked if Comey was saying that the NSC should not pass sensitive information related to Russia to Flynn. Comey replied ‘potentially.’ He added that he has no indication thus far that Flynn has passed classified information to Kislyak, but he noted that ‘the level of communication is unusual.'"\

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000172-2e48-d57a-ad7b-7e6f97060000

They were discussing whether or not to give Flynn classified information before Trump took office.

The email points to Obama not wanting to have anything to do with the law enforcement side of things.  Just the National Security stuff.

"The President stressed that he is not asking about, initiating or instructing anything from a law enforcement perspective. He reiterated that law enforcement team needs to proceed as it normally would by the book."

Thanks for demonstrating how lost you are. This declassified email is what you call "covering your ass". Rice was put in a position to speak for these people in a way that put her in liability, they were attempting to use her as a patsy. She predicted this eventuality based on the nature of the illegal investigation, as a result, she sent this email TO HERSELF to provide an out in case this was in fact investigated. Who sends emails to themselves?

[TwitchySeal]

"Declassified Rice Email Confirms Obama, Biden And Comey Targeted Flynn"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/declassified-rice-email-confirms-obama-biden-and-comey-targeted-flynn

Here's the declassified part:

"Director Comey affirmed that he is proceeding ‘by the book’ as it relates to law enforcement. From a national security perspective, Comey said he does have some concerns that incoming NSA Flynn is speaking frequently with Russian Ambassador Kislyak. Comey said that could be an issue as it relates to sharing sensitive information. President Obama asked if Comey was saying that the NSC should not pass sensitive information related to Russia to Flynn. Comey replied ‘potentially.’ He added that he has no indication thus far that Flynn has passed classified information to Kislyak, but he noted that ‘the level of communication is unusual.'"\

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000172-2e48-d57a-ad7b-7e6f97060000

They were discussing whether or not to give Flynn classified information before Trump took office.

The email points to Obama not wanting to have anything to do with the law enforcement side of things.  Just the National Security stuff.

"The President stressed that he is not asking about, initiating or instructing anything from a law enforcement perspective. He reiterated that law enforcement team needs to proceed as it normally would by the book."

Thanks for demonstrating how lost you are. This declassified email is what you call "covering your ass". Rice was put in a position to speak for these people in a way that put her in liability, they were attempting to use her as a patsy. She predicted this eventuality based on the nature of the illegal investigation, as a result, she sent this email TO HERSELF to provide an out in case this was in fact investigated. Who sends emails to themselves?

Just to be clear, do you think the truth is the opposite of what she said in her email to herself?  How did the declassified paragraph change anything then?  Everything else was declassified in 2018.

The article you linked, and much of the right wing media are making the 'smoking gun' out to be the fact that Obama and Comey discussed the possibility of limiting the amount of classified information involving Russia that Flynn was exposed to during the transition.