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I'm confused, it says on your page - Voyager Park 2020



but do you have these facilities existing already -



Seems that you are already operational, are you currently accepting booking for these facilities? why the need of IEO?

 
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Max supply is only 10,000 token with sale price 100 euro, do you expect a token that really have a value and become rare token later in the exchange? The ROI also looks insane Shocked

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September 29, 2019, 11:42:43 PM
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Max supply is only 10,000 token with sale price 100 euro, do you expect a token that really have a value and become rare token later in the exchange? The ROI also looks insane Shocked

the team should further review these numbers. even if they claimed to be backed with real business, there's no assurance that they will constantly get their customers to maintain their value in the market. not all people can afford to have that kind of lifestyle even if it is not so much to many.
they should think of the longevity of this platform and be realistic with their goals!




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This is different from the usual. unique but with expensive costs
of course only the upper middle class can enjoy it.

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Do you already have a working product? I'm reviewing the topic and seems like you are. If so, what's the need for further funding?
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Do you already have a working product? I'm reviewing the topic and seems like you are. If so, what's the need for further funding?

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state: active
domain: voyagerpark.se
created: 2019-09-12
modified: 2019-09-12
expires: 2020-09-12
registry-lock: unlocked
status: ok
registrar: Key-Systems Gmbh

It is very likely for them to not have a working product, their facebook page only have 28 followers.
https://www.facebook.com/Voyagerpark/
and I do not find their Twitter or Instagram page. It might be hidden
we need more information about this project, the date it will start its product and license from their local government. It is very crucial for us to know it
since they are going to run a business model in some country, obviously they need a license to do that.

 
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September 30, 2019, 08:33:51 AM
Last edit: September 30, 2019, 09:05:27 AM by HodlerCompany
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Hi all,

Thank you for the replies and questions.

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Seems that you are already operational, are you currently accepting booking for these facilities? why the need of IEO?

The booking system is already live, but bookings can be made after October 2020. That's when the park is fully live.
We have made the website like an actual booking site, the way its going to be when everything is already in place.
It was also easier to explain our plans and ideas with the municipality.
We did a notification on the website, explaining that the park is not live yet.

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Max supply is only 10,000 token with sale price 100 euro, do you expect a token that really have a value and become rare token later in the exchange? The ROI also looks insane

The token represents a share in the profit. We had another (mining) ICO last year with a similar concept. About 2500 tokens with a value of 100 euro.
This is to cover fees during payouts. Having tokens with a value of a few cents, means that these investors will receive profits that is sometimes less than the actual tx fee.
One of the few mistakes that other projects make with a similar concept.
I can remember last year when we started the mining ICO, that people were complaining about the price of the token.

You can view the following chart:  https://hodler.energy/sync/2019/09/mining.jpg

I believe we are the only in the chart that didn't exit scammed. We are still paying out dividends and the value of the token is still around 100 euro.

The ROI chart you are seeing is quite accurate.
However, it is divided in to 4 sections. The ROI really depends on the capacity over the whole year.
Getting 100% capacity over 365 days is impossible. Anything above 50% is possible, but we doubt it will ever happen in the next 2-3 years.
Looking at the amount of tourists in this region, 10-50% should be easily possible.

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The team should further review these numbers. even if they claimed to be backed with real business, there's no assurance that they will constantly get their customers to maintain their value in the market. not all people can afford to have that kind of lifestyle even if it is not so much to many.
they should think of the longevity of this platform and be realistic with their goals!
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This is different from the usual. unique but with expensive costs
of course only the upper middle class can enjoy it.

As explained on the investment page: https://voyagerpark.se/investment

The Park is divided in to 3 sections.
Designed to operate in all four seasons.
Site E offers a Center Dome with a restaurant and a few small shopping stores. This site will focus on travelers with a higher budget.
Site F offers camping spots and cottages for travelers with a mid-tier budget.
Site G will focus on budget travelers, it is located along the 90 road. We are offering motel rooms, a local bar with shower facilities.

By the way, the prices on the website are in Swedish kronor. 1000kr is about 100 usd.


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Do you already have a working product? I'm reviewing the topic and seems like you are. If so, what's the need for further funding?
We don't have a 'working' product yet for Voyager Park. All the other projects are ongoing and the heat utilization concept of Hodler Energy is already running.


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It is very likely for them to not have a working product, their facebook page only have 28 followers.
https://www.facebook.com/Voyagerpark/
and I do not find their Twitter or Instagram page. It might be hidden
we need more information about this project, the date it will start its product and license from their local government. It is very crucial for us to know it
since they are going to run a business model in some country, obviously they need a license to do that.
The project 'Voyager Park' is new. But the company exist already for 3 years now.
We are registered in Sweden and in the Netherlands under the following numbers:
Hodler Holding Company Netherlands: 72306505
Holder Mining BV Netherlands: 72308818
Hodler Company V.O.F Netherlands: 71219579
Bläck Service Örnsköldsvik Sweden: 921086-6795-0001

We have been under investigation by AFM (Dutch SEC) in December 2018. Everything was okay and we could continue to operate under the same regulation.


For everyone else, if you are interested in the project, we can highly recommend to read our last Q3 update of Hodler Enterprises.
This will give you an idea why we started this project and will also give you a small overview about our other projects.

https://hodler.enterprises/go/update-q3

If you have any questions, please let us know. You can also join us in telegram and get in touch with investors from our other projects.
https://t.me/hodlerenterprises

Or visit the links in my signature.

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September 30, 2019, 10:34:27 AM
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As far as I know, every business needs a different license. Even if you have a license for your company,
it does not mean you have a legal certificate in running the Voyager right? in my country, I need a different license whenever I want to run a business.
still trying to figure out, are you not being restricted by the Swedish government? because they have said,
Bitcoin is not money and can not be used as a form of payment.
and do you have any other team members in managing this project? or only that 3 peoples?


 
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September 30, 2019, 10:48:37 AM
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Hi Javi,

The exchange license runs through Altilly, which will be given later this month.
It is needed for the profit sharing from fiat to crypto and vice versa.

For Sweden it's a different story.
Bitcoin is not money, but it is treated as a currency.
As mentioned below the ROI calculator. For dividends, we will have to pay 25% tax. For the investor, this can be reclaimed depending on the country you live in.

For sharing profit in cryptocurrency, no other license is needed in Sweden for our concept, as long as we have a proper KYC/AML policy.

We are doing the same with our mining project and have been sharing dividends for a while with the same concept.
Our company had to shut down the business for 2 months during an investigation by a financial gov agency.
The result of the investigation was crystal clear and we could continue our business.

This is also explained in the last update:  https://hodler.enterprises/go/update-q3

We have about 24 people working on our projects.
Only the team on management level is visible on the website.
If you would like to meet the other team members, they are always online on Telegram.
https://t.me/hodlerenterprises

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Thank you for your answer, I can roughly understand what is going on and what will happen in the future.
there is still a long way to go and I hope you can achieve what you are trying to achieve,
I will keep watching this and looking for specific information after further announcement from the team.
would love to see a successful dividend of real world asset in cryptocurrency. I am huge fan of dividend or passive income project

 
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It is good to see a project with a low token count for a change. But this is fine as it just a token to receive profit, like a share. However, people may want to sell their tokens together with future profit sharing. How will you enable the trading of the tokens as most exchanges now refuse tokens receiving dividends as it is considered a security.

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September 30, 2019, 05:44:51 PM
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It is good to see a project with a low token count for a change. But this is fine as it just a token to receive profit, like a share. However, people may want to sell their tokens together with future profit sharing. How will you enable the trading of the tokens as most exchanges now refuse tokens receiving dividends as it is considered a security.

Hi JC,

The Altilly exchange was launched in mid 2018.
We have acquired the exchange in January 2019.

It's already listed over there.
Trading will be enabled in February 2020.

https://www.altilly.com/asset/HODLER

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Well, at least your soft- and hardcap are adjusted to reality and you aren't asking insane amounts. That feels right and has some growth space.

 
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The booking system is already live, but bookings can be made after October 2020. That's when the park is fully live.
We have made the website like an actual booking site, the way its going to be when everything is already in place.
It was also easier to explain our plans and ideas with the municipality.
We did a notification on the website, explaining that the park is not live yet.



But are you already asking for the payment for these early bookings? I don't think it is safe to reserve the spot this early as we don't know the chance of constructing those facilities at the moment.

If in case you haven't raised enough funds, are you still going to pursue the construction of those facilities?

 
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September 30, 2019, 11:01:05 PM
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Took a second look and those glass igloos look pretty similar to Finnish place called Kakslauttanen. I've heard some good things about those from my friends who stayed there. Are they from the same manufacturer? I am assuming that you are using pics from their igloos as you don't have those yet.

 
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September 30, 2019, 11:22:36 PM
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The booking system is already live, but bookings can be made after October 2020. That's when the park is fully live.
We have made the website like an actual booking site, the way its going to be when everything is already in place.
It was also easier to explain our plans and ideas with the municipality.
We did a notification on the website, explaining that the park is not live yet.



But are you already asking for the payment for these early bookings? I don't think it is safe to reserve the spot this early as we don't know the chance of constructing those facilities at the moment.

If in case you haven't raised enough funds, are you still going to pursue the construction of those facilities?

Hi,

There will be a funding round in the near future from the municipality. That should cover at least the construction of a certain part of the park.
With or without an ICO, the park will be open on October 2020.

Without an ICO, the construction will slow us down though, especially on the heat utilization and solar farm.

Starting the marketing phase in January will allow us to get park visitors during the launch of the park.
Nothing is more embarrassing than going open, without any visitors or customers.



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September 30, 2019, 11:27:21 PM
 #18

Took a second look and those glass igloos look pretty similar to Finnish place called Kakslauttanen. I've heard some good things about those from my friends who stayed there. Are they from the same manufacturer? I am assuming that you are using pics from their igloos as you don't have those yet.

The pictures are from Kakslauttanen in Finland.

Our igloos will be a little different and they are coming from a supplier in China called 'Raxtent'.
You can read more about it over here: link

Here are some pictures of the actual igloo.




And with a picture from our supplier.



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It is good to see a project with a low token count for a change. But this is fine as it just a token to receive profit, like a share. However, people may want to sell their tokens together with future profit sharing. How will you enable the trading of the tokens as most exchanges now refuse tokens receiving dividends as it is considered a security.

Hi JC,

The Altilly exchange was launched in mid 2018.
We have acquired the exchange in January 2019.

It's already listed over there.
Trading will be enabled in February 2020.

https://www.altilly.com/asset/HODLER

 Grin

I do not know this exchange and volumes seem very low. Do you have any plans to get onto well known exchanges as this will be key for interest to people. People will want liquidity.

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October 01, 2019, 09:33:52 PM
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The pictures are from Kakslauttanen in Finland.

Our igloos will be a little different and they are coming from a supplier in China called 'Raxtent'.

Oh LITTLE different? Quality looks like a night and day. Those Chinese igloos looks like some weird cheap portable toilets you could order from Wish. I am betting they last as long as the website you linked (That doesn't work btw). Seriously, not a good start. Misleading pictures of the luxury igloos, what do you reveal next?

 
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