DireWolf14 : Trust exaggeration

[marcotheminer]

I can't message you, need to open a thread here.

You posted negative trust on my account for holding a new member's BTC. Not justified at all.

Please remove this, also I think it was a misunderstanding of what @DadyD searched for here (or maybe not), I was just holding more than his asked-for loan amount.

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[yogg]

If you are willing to lose this money to the lender if DadyD defaults, why won't you send the 0.0015BTC directly to DadyD and expect him to repay you ?
DadyD is a newbie who registered here 2 weeks ago.

I am missing how the fact that backing DadyD's loan is going to give more credibility to it.
You have some history of not repaying loans on time. The whole situation is a bit odd.

However, the post referenced by DireWolf14 in his feedback seems to me like you tried to explain collateral to DadyD.
It does not seems to me like you were enticing a newbie into farming trust.

[suchmoon]

However, the post referenced by DireWolf14 in his feedback seems to me like you tried to explain collateral to DadyD.
It does not seems to me like you were enticing a newbie into farming trust.

I'm guessing DireWolfM14 didn't mean just that particular post but rather the whole thread where marco is indeed helping the newbie to farm trust.

I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust

[TryNinja]

If you are willing to lose this money to the lender if DadyD defaults, why won't you send the 0.0015BTC directly to DadyD and expect him to repay you ?
DadyD is a newbie who registered here 2 weeks ago.

DadyD doesn't just want a loan. He wants a loan from a trusted user so he can get a trust feedback.

If marcotheminer just gives him a loan, the Newbie can't farm his trust. He's not using the 0.0015 for anything. He will just hold it and give it back to the lender in 48h with an extra. And marco probably already knowed this.

[yogg]

I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust

Nice catch. Thanks for highlighting that to me.
I missed that line and and thought he just wanted to borrow some BTC.

Yep, in that context, such advice is questionable.
I understand DireWolf14's feedback now.

[marcotheminer]

If you are willing to lose this money to the lender if DadyD defaults, why won't you send the 0.0015BTC directly to DadyD and expect him to repay you ?
DadyD is a newbie who registered here 2 weeks ago.

I am missing how the fact that backing DadyD's loan is going to give more credibility to it.
You have some history of not repaying loans on time. The whole situation is a bit odd.

However, the post referenced by DireWolf14 in his feedback seems to me like you tried to explain collateral to DadyD.
It does not seems to me like you were enticing a newbie into farming trust.

I am not backing it. I am holding his BTC that he sent to me.

If you are willing to lose this money to the lender if DadyD defaults, why won't you send the 0.0015BTC directly to DadyD and expect him to repay you ?
DadyD is a newbie who registered here 2 weeks ago.

DadyD doesn't just want a loan. He wants a loan from a trusted user so he can get a trust feedback.

If marcotheminer just gives him a loan, the Newbie can't farm his trust. He's not using the 0.0015 for anything. He will just hold it and give it back to the lender in 48h with an extra. And marco probably already knowed this.

I cannot loan him now, before he asked for LTC. I can probably next week if he still needs I would fill it.

[DireWolfM14]

I can't message you, need to open a thread here.

You've abused that privilege in the past.

You posted negative trust on my account for holding a new member's BTC. Not justified at all.

Wrong.  The review, as others have already pointed out is because you are coaching the (supposed) newbie on how to farm trust.  I may have chosen the wrong reply to use as the reference, but the proof is there, and the review is clear.

Please remove this, also I think it was a misunderstanding of what @DadyD searched for here (or maybe not), I was just holding more than his asked-for loan amount.

Thanks for asking politely, but to steal a line from Captain Barbossa: I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

[marcotheminer]

Coaching? I am holding his BTC - I gave him 1 micro loan myself.

EDIT: See my edit to the referenced post.. I was explaining to DadyD that collateral is better in another currency, so he can buy ETH instead and use it to secure 0.0015 BTC.. Don't go overtop Direwolf, I think you misinterpreted me in that reply.

[yogg]

Coaching? I am holding his BTC - I gave him 1 micro loan myself.

EDIT: See my edit to the referenced post.. I was explaining to DadyD that collateral is better in another currency, so he can buy ETH instead and use it to secure 0.0015 BTC.. Don't go overtop Direwolf, I think you misinterpreted me in that reply.

You do not understand.
It is negatively perceived to help someone get a loan, whilst that person openly admitted to :

I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust

This is what it is all about. This is totally normal.
Trust isn't something you can "increase" with a whim. It is something you naturally earn from trades.

[marcotheminer]

Coaching? I am holding his BTC - I gave him 1 micro loan myself.

EDIT: See my edit to the referenced post.. I was explaining to DadyD that collateral is better in another currency, so he can buy ETH instead and use it to secure 0.0015 BTC.. Don't go overtop Direwolf, I think you misinterpreted me in that reply.

You do not understand.
It is negatively perceived to help someone get a loan, whilst that person openly admitted to :

I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust

This is what it is all about. This is totally normal.
Trust isn't something you can "increase" with a whim. It is something you naturally earn from trades.

Ok DadyD was tagged, I'm not telling him to trust farm, let alone how to do it..

Neither am I helping them get a loan, I'm explaining what's going on to someone whose English isn't top notch that's all. I have their funds backing up to 0.0015+10% BTC, as I've said. That amount I can cover from what the borrower has sent me.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Ok DadyD was tagged, I'm not telling him to trust farm, let alone how to do it..

Neither am I helping them get a loan

That's exactly what you are doing.

The thread is archived here: https://archive.is/p9Lmu

Post 1 - DadyD asks for a loan, and already includes you as the escrow, meaning you have already agreed to help him get a loan.
Post 2 - You confirm your willingness to help him get a loan.
Post 7 - You confirm you are holding BTC collateral from DadyD, whilst DadyD is asking for a BTC loan.
Post 12 - DadyD states "I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust"
Post 14 - DadyD states a second time "I do this think to get trust" (Presumably "think" means "thing") and a third time "I have 0 trust and merit, i just want to build some"
Post 16 - After stating three times he is only taking this loan out to farm trust, you then advise him to sell some BTC to buy ETH and use the ETH as collateral to obtain a BTC loan. That sounds an awful lot like instructions to me.

You are both helping him to get a loan by offering to escrow on his behalf, and you are also telling him how to farm trust (which he admitted he is trying to do) by trading the coin he wants for one he doesn't want just to use it as collateral to get a loan in the coin he just sold.

The whole situation is extremely shady.

[marcotheminer]

Ok DadyD was tagged, I'm not telling him to trust farm, let alone how to do it..

Neither am I helping them get a loan

That's exactly what you are doing.

The thread is archived here: https://archive.is/p9Lmu

Post 1 - DadyD asks for a loan, and already includes you as the escrow, meaning you have already agreed to help him get a loan.
Post 2 - You confirm your willingness to help him get a loan.
Post 7 - You confirm you are holding BTC collateral from DadyD, whilst DadyD is asking for a BTC loan.
Post 12 - DadyD states "I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust"
Post 14 - DadyD states a second time "I do this think to get trust" (Presumably "think" means "thing") and a third time "I have 0 trust and merit, i just want to build some"
Post 16 - After stating three times he is only taking this loan out to farm trust, you then advise him to sell some BTC to buy ETH and use the ETH as collateral to obtain a BTC loan. That sounds an awful lot like instructions to me.

You are both helping him to get a loan by offering to escrow on his behalf, and you are also telling him how to farm trust (which he admitted he is trying to do) by trading the coin he wants for one he doesn't want just to use it as collateral to get a loan in the coin he just sold.

The whole situation is extremely shady.

Yes I agreed to HOLD his BTC (enough to cover 0.0015+10%).

What he states after, he stated - yes I must now reconsider what I am doing and will likely have to return his escrowed amount.

I advise the collateral part - some people don't understand the concept. Really nothing shady going on, an ignition for drama yes..

[shasan]

I am holding his BTC - I gave him 1 micro loan myself.

Nowadays I am too much busy on my offline task. I told you your behaviour seems to me that you are the alter of that so-called newbie account. When I started my lending busienss there were few people who gave loan even tips to a newbie account and got trust after few days they tried to begging loan without collateral and they were also a newbie so they got negative trust and finally left the forum or using alter account. And I think you are doing the same. You were a professional lender so you know who you can give the fund and whom you not. Can you show a sample where you fund to a newbie while you were a professional lender? Hopefully, think you can't because you know very well.

Before few months a negatively trusted user took only 1$ to transfer his altcoin which value was more than 1000$ but the borrower didn't return that 1$ only. And a newbie who has not created any helpful post for the forum asked non-collateral loan and you gave, is it trustworthy? If you did so, why you are bothering other threads while the so-called newbie asking loan either on his/her new topic or others topic. I cant understand.
@marcotheminer sorry I have not replied your pm as I am not going to prove who is that so-called newbie and who are you.

[marcotheminer]

I am holding his BTC - I gave him 1 micro loan myself.

Nowadays I am too much busy on my offline task. I told you your behaviour seems to me that you are the alter of that so-called newbie account. When I started my lending busienss there were few people who gave loan even tips to a newbie account and got trust after few days they tried to begging loan without collateral and they were also a newbie so they got negative trust and finally left the forum or using alter account. And I think you are doing the same. You were a professional lender so you know who you can give the fund and whom you not. Can you show a sample where you fund to a newbie while you were a professional lender? Hopefully, think you can't because you know very well.

Before few months a negatively trusted user took only 1$ to transfer his altcoin which value was more than 1000$ but the borrower didn't return that 1$ only. And a newbie who has not created any helpful post for the forum asked non-collateral loan and you gave, is it trustworthy? If you did so, why you are bothering other threads while the so-called newbie asking loan either on his/her new topic or others topic. I cant understand.
@marcotheminer sorry I have not replied your pm as I am not going to prove who is that so-called newbie and who are you.

Yes there are several occasions when I lent to newbies, Photobook was the most recent (another account people thought was my alt after the loan was successful lol). I lent this time because he provided the collateral, even without I would've done it because it was roughly $12 - I was OK with no-collateral risk for that.

[marcotheminer]

@Direwolf14 will you be leaving the negative trust?

[DireWolfM14]

@Direwolf14 will you be leaving the negative trust?

I've changed it to neutral, that's as far as I'm willing to go. 

On it's own your post may sound like it's about collateral, but the context in which you posted it's obviously meant to coach the newbie on how to get a loan without leading to the suspicions that I raised earlier:

@DadyD you have 0.0017 BTC already, which you want to use as collateral to borrow 0.0015 BTC?  Why?

The newbie's answer; to farm trusted reviews.  It's all there in black and white and just in case it all goes away, here's the archive: https://archive.fo/L5p39

[marlboroza]

We all know what happened here so I won't pretend and I will copy/paste your neutral and turn it into negative.

As far as I am concerned, I don't trust marcotheminer, I don't trust any newbie account who makes deal with him and I don't trust any newbie account who uses him as an escrow.

Person holding someone's 0.002BTC and at the same time not providing them 0.0015BTC with repayment of 0.0018BTC after they previously provided them 0.0015BTC no-collateral loan speaks for itself.

Neither am I helping them get a loan

That is not true either, with all things said in this thread, you indeed tried to help "them" to get loan https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.msg52659481#msg52659481

[marcotheminer]

Thank you Direwolf, that's better than nothing at least.

Ah but of course! We must have one of the forum's self-appointed officers stepping in - neutral CANNOT happen people! "We all know what happened here" marlboroza - were you dropped as a child..? I'll remove that, a bit uncalled for. Anyway: the blind leading the blind and both taking pride in being led/leading as such! Big thanks mate, very useful .. You made your "I don't trust you" position clear when you copied someone else's trust earlier this year.

Oh and helping him get a loan? Yeah that's called helping out clarifying what others might have missed - try it for once - especially with newbies who are usually lost around here .. this forum would be much much more enjoyable, maybe we'd even grow as a community.

Person holding someone's 0.002BTC and at the same time not providing them 0.0015BTC with repayment of 0.0018BTC after they previously provided them 0.0015BTC no-collateral loan speaks for itself.

Pls.. Enlighten us, I was asked to hold it for him - I wasn't going to loan again, do you get the concept of 'once and then onto better things'? BTC was used for other purposes. Imagine the spongebob meme here > OPPORTUNITY COST.

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[suchmoon]

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Looks like you're still thinking that you're right and everyone else is wrong. You can't fix your reputation by repeatedly getting yourself into shady shit and lashing out at people who point this out to you.

[marcotheminer]

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Looks like you're still thinking that you're right and everyone else is wrong. You can't fix your reputation by repeatedly getting yourself into shady shit and lashing out at people who point this out to you.

Ok suchmoon, thanks for the reply but that's not the case - please don't turn this into a me vs them situation again.. I think it's an expected kind of "lash out" (again strange choice of words but OK), just because the original member changes to neutral - a new one steps in for a negative? He would have not placed anything had Direwolf left the original negative.. That's also a part of my point..

Repeatedly? I literally took escrow funds worth MORE than the loan he was looking for. Truly was supposed to be a simple thing, I am escrow not the lender/borrower.