LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

[CYBER_COWBOY]

I could translate this to Swedish to the Scandinavian board, its pretty dead now. but you never now in the future, and I will have some spare time next week.

But could you copy/paste the first post to me like a code message? So I have something to start with.

Thanks in advance. / CC.

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[LoyceV]

I could translate this to Swedish to the Scandinavian board, its pretty dead now. but you never now in the future

Is there anyone who reads Swedish but can't read English? For the same reason, I never bothered translating this into Dutch.

But could you copy/paste the first post to me like a code message? So I have something to start with.

Click quote, the remove the first and last line.

[CYBER_COWBOY]

I could translate this to Swedish to the Scandinavian board, its pretty dead now. but you never now in the future

Is there anyone who reads Swedish but can't read English? For the same reason, I never bothered translating this into Dutch.

But could you copy/paste the first post to me like a code message? So I have something to start with.

Click quote, the remove the first and last line.

I am smart today, braindead2k lol, how could I forgot the quote thing

Most of us understand English yes, but some people maybe don't find this out, and the most people just come and advertise, and if they see something more maybe they want to check in the other things in the forum to.
But yeah you have right, prob not needed.

Congratulations in advance to 24k posts! 

[Synchronice]

I could translate this to Swedish to the Scandinavian board, its pretty dead now. but you never now in the future, and I will have some spare time next week.

If anything, Swedish board will be even dead in future. If this forum continues to become dependent on enthusiast users and forum owner won't try to use forum funds to develop new software, new UI, add new features, do some radical changes and so on, then this forum will only lose popularity. There is almost no way to attract young people on this forum after Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok.

[LoyceV]

If anything, Swedish board will be even dead in future.

CYBER_COWBOY got his account tagged and claims to be hacked (which I don't believe). I don't expect any translations from him, so I'll delete the last few posts in this topic next time I bump this topic.

There is almost no way to attract young people on this forum after Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok.

So many people want a commercial algorithm to decide what they read, instead of making their own choices. Weird times.

[Synchronice]

If anything, Swedish board will be even dead in future.

CYBER_COWBOY got his account tagged and claims to be hacked (which I don't believe). I don't expect any translations from him, so I'll delete the last few posts in this topic next time I bump this topic.

There is almost no way to attract young people on this forum after Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok.

So many people want a commercial algorithm to decide what they read, instead of making their own choices. Weird times.

NP, delete.
Yeah, that's weird for me and you but people are very positive about that feature. Absolutely everything depends on how you inspire people. If you tell people that there is a scientific research that it will grow your hair on bald head if you wash head in Cow's urine, believe me, people will do that without checking the validity of the information. This is why broscience is more popular than actual science
So, people find that feature cool because algorithm automatically chooses posts/topics that are in their interest. People don't have to manually look for them. That's cool, right? But we think that by doing so, they understand more about us, use us for their statistics and provide an information that at some point throws us in an informative vacuum: You only hear what you want to hear.

[Poker Player]

I suppose I should know the answer to this question, because I have been familiar with the trust system for some time, but I am not entirely clear about it, and the question is why I see hopenotlate's feedback as, apparently, he is not in DT.

I went to leave neutral feedback on a non-collateralized loan on the HedgeFx profile, as he requested, and saw the feedback left by hopenotlate on a previous loan. My first thought was that if hopenotlate is on DT I would let him write the tag on the current loan, but I just checked on bpip.org and he doesn't show up as on DT. I also checked on bpip.org only  two members who are not in DT1 have included him.

So, I am not 100% clear why I see his feedback, because I don't have on my trust list any of the two that have included him.

[LoyceV]

So, I am not 100% clear why I see his feedback, because I don't have on my trust list any of the two that have included him.

User hopenotlate is included by yahoo62278, who is included by suchmoon, who is included by you.
That puts suchmoon on your Depth 0, yahoo62278 on your Depth 1 and hopenotlate on your Depth 2. See Trust Depth viewer, I haven't updated it in a while, but it shows the large recursive implications of adding someone to your Trust list.

[SmartGold01]

Hello LoyceV
I created my trust list few days ago.. and I added few users whom I feels they are meant adding to my list and I do love their judgement.
Does it means is wrong for me to do that?
I didn't add them because they gave me positive feedback or I didn't add them because we intiated business dealings but I do add them based on their judgement and, I choose those people to be my mentor.
Hope is nothing wrong to do so?

[LoyceV]

I created my trust list few days ago.. and I added few users whom I feels they are meant adding to my list and I do love their judgement.
Does it means is wrong for me to do that?

No, it's up to you. For reference:

Trust list for: SmartGold01 (Trust: awaiting update) (314 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2023-08-26_Sat_05.07h)
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SmartGold01 Trusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW JayJuanGee (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 7788 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW yahoo62278 (Trust: +39 / =2 / -0) (3190 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (13) 3894 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW Ratimov (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 11139 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

SmartGold01 Distrusts these users' judgement:
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SmartGold01's judgement is Trusted by:
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~SmartGold01's judgement is Distrusted by:
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Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

I choose those people to be my mentor.

Usually, a mentor knows they're a mentor. Maybe you mean role model. Either way, it sounds weird to say about an anonymous forum account.

[SmartGold01]

I choose those people to be my mentor.

Usually, a mentor knows they're a mentor. Maybe you mean role model. Either way, it sounds weird to say about an anonymous forum account.

Role model should be the better word to replace them if that is the case.
However to me I feels they are reputable and mostly do love their judges and ways of evaluation..
Thank you for your feedback, I wasn't that fully loaded with trusting information until I was ref to this thread and I think everything is okay with me now.

[Timelord2067]

It's pretty obvious GazetaBitcoin and 1miau are taking their vendetta against Ratimov out against anyone who "trusts" Ratimov or is trusted by...

https://bpip.org/TrustLog?&trusted=light_warrior&chtype=All



https://loyce.club/trust/2023-09-30_Sat_05.07h/3462000.html

Trust list for: light_warrior (Trust: neutral) (823 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2023-09-30_Sat_05.07h)
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light_warrior Trusts these users' judgement:

33. Ratimov (Trust: +23 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (12) 11570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

light_warrior's judgement is Trusted by:
1. Vadi2323 (Trust: +1 / =2 / -0) (231 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. klarki (Trust: +1 / =2 / -0) (2015 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +25 / =2 / -0) (3960 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Ratimov (Trust: +23 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (12) 11570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. UniJoin (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (222 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~light_warrior's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. NEW GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +8 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (7) 5266 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW 1miau (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (27) 6069 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. FontSeli (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (858 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)


Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

Sad really (not to mention untrustworthy)

[LoyceV]

It's pretty obvious GazetaBitcoin and 1miau are taking their vendetta against Ratimov out against anyone who "trusts" Ratimov or is trusted by...

You're making things up again. Excluding one user out of 100 doesn't mean they exclude "anyone". Besides, there's this:

Trust list for: 1miau (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (27) 6069 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2023-09-30_Sat_05.07h)

1miau Trusts these users' judgement:
94. Ratimov (Trust: +23 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (12) 11570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

1miau's judgement is Trusted by:
68. Ratimov (Trust: +23 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (12) 11570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

light_warrior received ~~ for this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62914725#msg62914725.

Thanks for the context. Too much drama for me though.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
[LoyceV's note: I didn't break the "multiple posts in a row"-rule, Ratimov deleted his post in between mine]

[Chilwell]

Bump!

Good day I want to inform you that I will like to translate this topic to my local board "naija board" pidgin language, which I checked the translation list and my country is not there. Am seeking your permission.

[LoyceV]

Am seeking your permission.

No need to ask for permission, that's why I posted this:

I'd appreciate it if users translate this topic for their local boards

Just keep a link to the original topic in your translation.

Note:

27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.

[sokani]

Hello LoyceV,  here's the link of the pidgin translation of your topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475913.0

[BabyBandit]

This is a very good guide for new comers to the forum.

I have read the OP. And it answers the most questions. To my wonders..

Positive: You should only leave positive if you think the user would not scam anyone, right? But do you need to add a reference link with some kind of proof? Or is it enough to have a strong feeling?
Is it better if you do a trade with a user and first leave Neutral and when you have done more trades you can update to positive?
 
Neutral:  Other comments??? So neutral you can say what you think and want for example "BabyBandit is a idiot and I hate him" without reference link? That's fine for me because everyone have right to their opinion.

Negative: If you want to bust a scammer then should it be with reference link with solid proof and not any "maybes"? Because if you gonna accuse someone for being a scammer at least I think you should have solid proof, if you don't have proof but know it's a scammer, maybe its better to start with neutral and when you got proof's change to negative.

And last how important is a reference link? For me if you giving someone negative feedback you must leave a reference link, because if someone come and read it maybe 6 months later he should have a chance to understand why the feedback is there. Without reference link the Feedback don't tell anything at least in my opinion.
But with neutral feedback a reference link is not needed at least how I have understand it.

Also I  have swiped my Trust list and have added the people I trust and distrusted the people I don't think belong in DT in my trust list. Is that something you think is good or bad?

I hope you take my questions serious and don't see me as a "troll" because I am far away from that I just want to learn how things work, my start here was not so good I had a bad attitude against reputable members without any valid reasons, and I will stop act like that and start showing respect.

Thank you in advance and Merry Christmas.

[LoyceV]

But do you need to add a reference link with some kind of proof? Or is it enough to have a strong feeling?

I prefer to add Reference links with compelling evidence.

for example "BabyBandit is a idiot and I hate him" without reference link? That's fine for me because everyone have right to their opinion.

It's allowed (as anything is), but I wouldn't call it correct use of the Trust system as it's not very interesting for others. Use User Notes if you want to keep a diary.

if you gonna accuse someone for being a scammer at least I think you should have solid proof

When I tag someone with negative feedback, I want it to be convincing for others. It wouldn't be very Switzerland of me to start tagging people for "maybe".

And last how important is a reference link?

I'd say: add it when you can. Check my Sent feedback: the few without Reference link either can't have one, or don't need one.

Also I  have swiped my Trust list and have added the people I trust and distrusted the people I don't think belong in DT in my trust list. Is that something you think is good or bad?

I wouldn't worry about DT too much: just add users with good judgement.

I had a bad attitude against reputable members

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Bitcointalk offers more freedom than any other forum I know. You can choose to be an asshole or you can be a nice person. It's entirely up to you how you want to come across. If you're a snowflake, you might get offended. That's okay.

[BabyBandit]

You may like this post:

Bitcointalk offers more freedom than any other forum I know. You can choose to be an asshole or you can be a nice person. It's entirely up to you how you want to come across. If you're a snowflake, you might get offended. That's okay.

You naiIed that post! I love every word in that post and stand behind every word. I love freedom and the  right to express your feelings openly.
But  i was insecure and not myself at the beginning and i took it out on others and that's wrong, now I am back to track.

Thank you Loyce for explaining in a way so it's getting easy to understand,

Best regards
BabyB

[LoyceV]

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