be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.

[KTChampions]

be.open       Hero Member
Sancho18    Sr. Member

 

02/07/2017 17:37:39   Sancho18    Jr. Member   54   0xf73b910A78B7808C2FB755668ca4C4F8138a13b5   Accepted

#126 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VN61OS92gyZSHlYorDMfVVf90n3jl-HKTGbhBXVthNE/edit#gid=1565214583

be.open   Full   0xf73b910A78B7808C2FB755668ca4C4F8138a13b5

#103 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tIMKx80RdDwydtReNwsZzuUO0KYHUqaMnWWar45EAak/htmlview

Cheating  [BOUNTY]🔶Crowd Genie🔶 campaign

Twitter
Your number on the spreadsheet: #13
Twitter Link: https://twitter.com/Sancho_1_8
Ether Address: 0x5aEDa141CeB7323825fB57F8C0faE9a0A97a1674

WEEK: 1
Likes & retweets
1. (11/12): https://twitter.com/Genie_ICO/status/939056810874478592
2. (11/12): https://twitter.com/Genie_ICO/status/938254087925239808
3. (13/12): https://twitter.com/Genie_ICO/status/940432140717604866
4. (14/12): https://twitter.com/Genie_ICO/status/941137287517151235
5. (16/12): https://twitter.com/Genie_ICO/status/937995477764771840

Link to your tweets:
1. (14/12) https://twitter.com/Sancho_1_8/status/941168826200281088
2. (16/12) https://twitter.com/Sancho_1_8/status/941907459744129024
3. (18/12) https://twitter.com/Sancho_1_8/status/942473368330219520

WEEK: 2
Likes & retweets

Link to your tweets:

http://archive.md/1ixLV

Twitter
Your number on the spreadsheet (If you are not on "-"): #17
Twitter Link: https://twitter.com/bitubuntu
Ether Address: 0xf73b910A78B7808C2FB755668ca4C4F8138a13b5

WEEK: 1
Link to your tweets:
1- (13/12): https://twitter.com/bitubuntu/status/940780386883424257
2- (14/12): https://twitter.com/bitubuntu/status/941168161692569600
3- (16/12): https://twitter.com/bitubuntu/status/941898186389643264

Link to your likes and retweets:
1- (11/12): https://twitter.com/Genie_ICO/status/939056810874478592
2- (11/12): https://twitter.com/Genie_ICO/status/938254087925239808
3- (11/12): https://twitter.com/Genie_ICO/status/937995477764771840
4- (12/12): https://twitter.com/Genie_ICO/status/937534380557271040
5- (12/12): https://twitter.com/Genie_ICO/status/940432140717604866

http://archive.md/4qwN0

Connection through merit: Favorite profiles to send sMerit to for Sancho18 is be.open (top-1) - 8 merits sent, 1 merit returned.

Connection through wallets: great amount of tokens from both wallets were sent to
0xf47f85001beb74eaa57a1bd37a38bb9a5de02a46

[FIFA worldcup]

Are both be.open and Sancho18 were in the same campaign ? If so, they need to be tagged by DT.

[Sancho18]

Good day, apparently a misunderstanding occurred. I admire the heroic forum activities of be.open and flattered if I am mistaken for it. Apparently, there is a personal reconciliation of topic starter with be.open, please be careful in considering the evidence provided, even if at first glance they seem convincing. I have never violated the rules of the bounty campaigns and am not a bounty cheater. Thanks.

[KTChampions]

Good day, apparently a misunderstanding occurred. I admire the heroic forum activities of be.open and flattered if I am mistaken for it. Apparently, there is a personal reconciliation of topic starter with be.open, please be careful in considering the evidence provided, even if at first glance they seem convincing. I have never violated the rules of the bounty campaigns and am not a bounty cheater. Thanks.

Cool story 


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZrcC4ROIA2N8fB1zdiRJ7V84JfDKGfxcoC44avYJTpI/edit#gid=706663933

[xtraelv]

http://web.archive.org/web/20191014214750/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2564886.msg26125867

The terms of that bounty don't state that alt accounts are not allowed to be used.

A neutral tag would be appropriate and a warning not to merit the alt account (against the rules).

Symilar cases:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147367.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5048262.40

[KTChampions]

http://web.archive.org/web/20191014214750/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2564886.msg26125867

The terms of that bounty don't state that alt accounts are not allowed to be used.

A neutral tag would be appropriate and a warning not to merit the alt account (against the rules).

Symilar cases:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147367.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5048262.40

3 | Twitter accounts must be original. Fake, dead, inactive and bot accounts will not be accepted.

Obviously be.open/Sancho18 have violated this rule.

[be.open]

Hello. I'm not good at English, sorry.

Sancho is my son’s account, now he is 17, and for him, participating in the bounty campaigns was something like a fun game that we played together competing with each other, trying to never cross. Once I made a mistake and joined the same twitter campaign as him. This does not mean that I am a cheater, because behind us we think for more than a hundred different campaigns, and I was mistaken only once. For Sancho, it’s a big blow that he suffered because of my mistake. The forum seems to have already lost a young talented writer who started with a bounty, and then in a game form was very deeply imbued with the ideas of crypto. It’s a very bad practice to label individual violations. It is a pity that it is widespread. The son should not be responsible for the mistakes of the father. And my only mistake by inattention does not mean that I am a cheater.

[Harlot]

It would take a whole lot things to pursuade DT members to remove both of your tags than just a story about you being the father of Sancho. Because literally no one will buy your reason without any kind of evidence to prove it, and a lot if people have used that reasoning before. Aside from using one address you have also used a telegram account of the ogher account which is suspicious enough to see why you two are frequently switching addresses and account names.

[be.open]

It would take a whole lot things to pursuade DT members to remove both of your tags than just a story about you being the father of Sancho. Because literally no one will buy your reason without any kind of evidence to prove it, and a lot if people have used that reasoning before. Aside from using one address you have also used a telegram account of the ogher account which is suspicious enough to see why you two are frequently switching addresses and account names.

I am not going to try to sell my reasons, and there will be no evidence either - I value my privacy and the privacy of my son too much. I urge the presumption of innocence to help. And the precedent of this topic.

[KTChampions]

~ And my only mistake by inattention does not mean that I am a cheater.

There is such a funny user Prod.
He became a member in just a week, very successfully received 10 merits from be.open (1), Sancho18 (5), Kutkh (1) and Bonanzabits (3). And on the same day he became a member he sent 4 merits to be.open.

Bonanzabits

Between this and then:
-  After 9 months of bounty in different signature campaigns, with 5 accounts (3 member and 2 Full member) - real profit is 1500 bucks, the rest is shit tokens.. I don't know what's next, will go to growth or will not - don't know, will hold, there is nothing more to do. I hope you have a more interesting picture.. Sorry for the nagging, but I'm upset.. I'm not discouraged, I will continue to work of course, but the ass burns as hell.  

http://archive.md/8igFv

Look at the pages Prod, Kutkh and Bonanzabits and see, that they are decorated in one style on 100%:
 http://archive.md/4f6qm  http://archive.md/jT1AL  http://archive.md/rcEFC

Besides
Prod:
Date Registered:   November 26, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
Last Active:   November 07, 2018, 05:34:14 PM
Kutkh:
Date Registered:   November 26, 2017, 04:09:31 PM
Last Active:   November 07, 2018, 05:36:15 PM

The pages contain ETH addresses. And it’s clear that Bonanzabits from his address 0xBE96A5d1aD23142e7Ed0b25fe28C4478B7318170 sent ETH to Kutkh 0xEB82E662bAfdab04A6190E8daF6995c5188C9C28 https://etherscan.io/tx/0x3b21f8c54c50ce30e57dbf8a8f69a5351d44d3c7db56495a9c84a959478c8f61

Bonanzabits did not send ETH to Prod, but he sent him merits.

be.open answer:

~I do not have and never had access to these accounts (Prod, Kutkh и Bonanzabits), but I know whose they are and this is my good friend, thanks to the advice of which I myself came to the crypto. But he ended up on the forum later than me, and as a token of gratitude I helped to start a forum career (so he calls pumping botfarm by merits - clarification from KTChampions) for him and asked Sancho to help him a little. ~

~By the way, here are two campaigns where be.open and his friend bot owner Bonanzabits participated together:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18VGKXNLd-XH8QA4o24tEtbnbKqdgfrZ-73xmSvGpxR0/edit#gid=1415290917
#414 и 419
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vXJNIQAc4tRHQaUcdaKrcPObS_gK3frz9kGnxdmwALQ/edit#gid=450365382
#7 и 16

And a little more about honesty:

~

Did you have to go through KYC ?

I did not go through KYC, and I am not going to do it, but if I have to, I will use other people's IDs. IMHO, it’s worthless for a cryptanarchist to do a KYC ...  

five accs (3 member and 2 Full member)

stunned, here i get tired of working with one .. but 5!
Well this is how much you have to post

about 100 posts per week.

And finally:

Topic Election of an additional moderator

Here is an ideological and active person. I learned a lot from him. Suggest him, maybe he will agree ..  Roll Eyes
be.open

I can’t know how many people are behind these five accounts, but the fact is that they are all connected and engaged in shady / fraudulent activities.

[MFahad]

It would take a whole lot things to pursuade DT members to remove both of your tags than just a story about you being the father of Sancho. Because literally no one will buy your reason without any kind of evidence to prove it, and a lot if people have used that reasoning before. Aside from using one address you have also used a telegram account of the ogher account which is suspicious enough to see why you two are frequently switching addresses and account names.

I am not going to try to sell my reasons, and there will be no evidence either - I value my privacy and the privacy of my son too much. I urge the presumption of innocence to help. And the precedent of this topic.

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.
If you are not willing to show any evidence, no one will believe your case as this is the most common reason which everyone uses when their alts are caught abusing the campaigns.

[be.open]

It would take a whole lot things to pursuade DT members to remove both of your tags than just a story about you being the father of Sancho. Because literally no one will buy your reason without any kind of evidence to prove it, and a lot if people have used that reasoning before. Aside from using one address you have also used a telegram account of the ogher account which is suspicious enough to see why you two are frequently switching addresses and account names.

I am not going to try to sell my reasons, and there will be no evidence either - I value my privacy and the privacy of my son too much. I urge the presumption of innocence to help. And the precedent of this topic.

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.
If you are not willing to show any evidence, no one will believe your case as this is the most common reason which everyone uses when their alts are caught abusing the campaigns.

I do not trust KTChampions. Perhaps I can enter a video chat on whatsapp with one of the DT members and show my passport, in which there is an entry about the presence of my son, born in 2002. Of course, my son’s name is not Sancho, this is just a forum nickname. I do not want to send my documents to anyone, if I take the risk of deanonymization, then let it be symmetrical. Which member of the DT is ready to enter into such a dialogue with me? Who wants to take a look at be.open? There are public persons in the list of DT?

[KTChampions]

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.~

It is a bad idea. The presence of a son does not prove anything and does not cancel the revealed violations.

[be.open]

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.~

It is a bad idea. The presence of a son does not prove anything and does not cancel the revealed violations.

Nobody canceled the presumption of innocence. If possible, then this should be interpreted in my favor.

[KTChampions]

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.~

It is a bad idea. The presence of a son does not prove anything and does not cancel the revealed violations.

Nobody canceled the presumption of innocence. If possible, then this should be interpreted in my favor.

So, if you have a son, then you can have two accounts, if two sons, then three, if you have friends, then you can build a huge bot farm? OK. Beautiful story, thanks.

[be.open]

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.~

It is a bad idea. The presence of a son does not prove anything and does not cancel the revealed violations.

Nobody canceled the presumption of innocence. If possible, then this should be interpreted in my favor.

So, if you have a son, then you can have two accounts, if two sons, then three, if you have friends, then you can build a huge bot farm? OK. Beautiful story, thanks.

When you manage to interest your 15-year-old teenage son into engaging in any joint activities, and continue to do this together for two years, it will be important for me to know your opinion on this issue. I am very grateful to the forum that I managed to establish good relations with my son, thanks to the competitive quest in the bounty.

[MFahad]

It would take a whole lot things to pursuade DT members to remove both of your tags than just a story about you being the father of Sancho. Because literally no one will buy your reason without any kind of evidence to prove it, and a lot if people have used that reasoning before. Aside from using one address you have also used a telegram account of the ogher account which is suspicious enough to see why you two are frequently switching addresses and account names.

I am not going to try to sell my reasons, and there will be no evidence either - I value my privacy and the privacy of my son too much. I urge the presumption of innocence to help. And the precedent of this topic.

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.
If you are not willing to show any evidence, no one will believe your case as this is the most common reason which everyone uses when their alts are caught abusing the campaigns.

I do not trust KTChampions. Perhaps I can enter a video chat on whatsapp with one of the DT members and show my passport, in which there is an entry about the presence of my son, born in 2002. Of course, my son’s name is not Sancho, this is just a forum nickname. I do not want to send my documents to anyone, if I take the risk of deanonymization, then let it be symmetrical. Which member of the DT is ready to enter into such a dialogue with me? Who wants to take a look at be.open? There are public persons in the list of DT?

If your son name is not Sancho and obviously your name is not be.open, then nothing can be proved.  Its does not matter if you come live on whatsapp or come live physically.  
I am afraid this was the only hope for you and with further five accounts discovered by KTChampions makes your case even more weaker.

[be.open]

It would take a whole lot things to pursuade DT members to remove both of your tags than just a story about you being the father of Sancho. Because literally no one will buy your reason without any kind of evidence to prove it, and a lot if people have used that reasoning before. Aside from using one address you have also used a telegram account of the ogher account which is suspicious enough to see why you two are frequently switching addresses and account names.

I am not going to try to sell my reasons, and there will be no evidence either - I value my privacy and the privacy of my son too much. I urge the presumption of innocence to help. And the precedent of this topic.

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.
If he is 17 and does not have an ID, any school certificate can show this. You can send this proof to KTChampions or any reputable DT member whom you trust ,if you do not want to disclose it to public.
If you are not willing to show any evidence, no one will believe your case as this is the most common reason which everyone uses when their alts are caught abusing the campaigns.

I do not trust KTChampions. Perhaps I can enter a video chat on whatsapp with one of the DT members and show my passport, in which there is an entry about the presence of my son, born in 2002. Of course, my son’s name is not Sancho, this is just a forum nickname. I do not want to send my documents to anyone, if I take the risk of deanonymization, then let it be symmetrical. Which member of the DT is ready to enter into such a dialogue with me? Who wants to take a look at be.open? There are public persons in the list of DT?

If your son name is not Sancho and obviously your name is not be.open, then nothing can be proved.  Its does not matter if you come live on whatsapp or come live physically.  
I am afraid this was the only hope for you and with further five accounts discovered by KTChampions makes your case even more weaker.

Let me remind you that thanks to the presumption of innocence, I do not need to prove anything. I have a son, he is 17, there is a possibility that I am telling the truth and this is really so. I ask you to adhere to the principles of fair justice and interpret this opportunity in my favor.

Other accounts (Kutkh, Prod, Bonanzabits) also do not belong to me. There is insufficient evidence that I managed them.

[MFahad]

Let me remind you that thanks to the presumption of innocence, I do not need to prove anything. I have a son, he is 17, there is a possibility that I am telling the truth and this is really so. I ask you to adhere to the principles of fair justice and interpret this opportunity in my favor.

Other accounts (Kutkh, Prod, Bonanzabits) also do not belong to me. There is insufficient evidence that I managed them.

You want your case to be in your favor by the  "presumption of innocence" principle.
A quick definition for this is :

The presumption of innocence is the legal principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty.

But in your case KTChampions has already proven you guilty with an evidence and now you have to provide an evidence to deny him.

[be.open]

Let me remind you that thanks to the presumption of innocence, I do not need to prove anything. I have a son, he is 17, there is a possibility that I am telling the truth and this is really so. I ask you to adhere to the principles of fair justice and interpret this opportunity in my favor.

Other accounts (Kutkh, Prod, Bonanzabits) also do not belong to me. There is insufficient evidence that I managed them.

You want your case to be in your favor by the  "presumption of innocence" principle.
A quick definition for this is :

The presumption of innocence is the legal principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty.

But in your case KTChampions has already proven you guilty with an evidence and now you have to provide an evidence to deny him.

Are you a DT member yourself or are you just typing messages in your signature campaign here? Please do not waste my time unless you are a decision maker.

In addition to the presumption of innocence, my line of defense also draws on this precedent. The evidentiary value of the charge is insufficient.

[MFahad]

Let me remind you that thanks to the presumption of innocence, I do not need to prove anything. I have a son, he is 17, there is a possibility that I am telling the truth and this is really so. I ask you to adhere to the principles of fair justice and interpret this opportunity in my favor.

Other accounts (Kutkh, Prod, Bonanzabits) also do not belong to me. There is insufficient evidence that I managed them.

You want your case to be in your favor by the  "presumption of innocence" principle.
A quick definition for this is :

The presumption of innocence is the legal principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty.

But in your case KTChampions has already proven you guilty with an evidence and now you have to provide an evidence to deny him.

Are you a DT member yourself or are you just typing messages in your signature campaign here? Please do not waste my time unless you are a decision maker.

In addition to the presumption of innocence, my line of defense also draws on this precedent. The evidentiary value of the charge is insufficient.

I am just showing you the mirror and the truth is bitter.  Anyways your decision has already been taken.    Good Luck

[be.open]

Anyways your decision has already been taken.    Good Luck

The decision made is hasty and erroneous, and does not take into account the circumstances I have provided here. Tnx.

ps I consider the topic title to be offensive and untrue, it casts a shadow on my reputation a priori. Please change it from affirmative to interrogative. Otherwise, after the explanations I have already made, this statement turns into slander.

[Harlot]

Anyways your decision has already been taken.    Good Luck

The decision made is hasty and erroneous, and does not take into account the circumstances I have provided here. Tnx.

ps I consider the topic title to be offensive and untrue, it casts a shadow on my reputation a priori. Please change it from affirmative to interrogative. Otherwise, after the explanations I have already made, this statement turns into slander.

You see the thing here is the accounts connected to you are either your son or your friend's account all of which have we heard before. Like I said in my previous post aside from the ETH address connecting you two and the telegram account (Sancho) being used to your account there are also evidence that you are doing merit trading with other. If you really want to come clean with your tag I think you need to convince the DT member that you are two persons and not just one person having two accounts abusing the campaign.

[be.open]

Anyways your decision has already been taken.    Good Luck

The decision made is hasty and erroneous, and does not take into account the circumstances I have provided here. Tnx.

ps I consider the topic title to be offensive and untrue, it casts a shadow on my reputation a priori. Please change it from affirmative to interrogative. Otherwise, after the explanations I have already made, this statement turns into slander.

You see the thing here is the accounts connected to you are either your son or your friend's account all of which have we heard before. Like I said in my previous post aside from the ETH address connecting you two and the telegram account (Sancho) being used to your account there are also evidence that you are doing merit trading with other. If you really want to come clean with your tag I think you need to convince the DT member that you are two persons and not just one person having two accounts abusing the campaign.

Suggest a reasonable option on how can I do this. If you offer a deliberately unrealizable solution, then you should not even start doing it.

[DireWolfM14]

Sancho is my son’s account, now he is 17

We've heard these types of excuses so many times they get harder and harder to believe after a while.  If my son was on this forum I would have had some interaction with him on the forum that would make it obvious that we are close, or made a public declaration of our relationship at some point in time.  Too often these excuses are given by accounts that appear to have avoided any indication that "they know each other" and then all of the sudden, once an address or a social media account is connected to both accounts these types of excuses come out.

Perhaps I can enter a video chat on whatsapp with one of the DT members and show my passport, in which there is an entry about the presence of my son, born in 2002.

I'm not sure that would really help.  All that would prove is that you indeed have a 17 year-old son.  Unless you and your son can join the video chat together.  In that case identification wouldn't really be necessary, in my opinion.  By your local time setting it looks like you are in central Asia.  Maybe you can convince LoyceV to participate in video call with you and your son.  He's in western Europe, so your time zones are close.

I'm really sorry for you finding yourself in this situation.  Both be.open and Sancho seem like decent folks.  Helpful, contributing the forum, and not your typical shit-posting bounty spammers.  I want to believe you, but short of convincing a DT member that you are two different people you're reputation will suffer as a result of this.  Good luck.

[LoyceV]

Perhaps I can enter a video chat on whatsapp with one of the DT members and show my passport, in which there is an entry about the presence of my son, born in 2002.

I'm not sure that would really help.  All that would prove is that you indeed have a 17 year-old son.  Unless you and your son can join the video chat together.  In that case identification wouldn't really be necessary, in my opinion.  By your local time setting it looks like you are in central Asia.  Maybe you can convince LoyceV to participate in video call with you and your son.

Maggiordome brought me here, so I'll respond quickly: I'm not going to do any video chat, because that's almost as bad as doxing myself.
I had a very long day and I'm far too tired to look into the details, but if I have some time tomorrow, I'll share my opinion on this case.

[DireWolfM14]

I'm not going to do any video chat, because that's almost as bad as doxing myself.

I was wondering how that could be done without sharing your real phone number, which is how Whatsapp works.  Telegram and Keybase don't offer video chat, and I don't know of any anonymous chat service that does. 

I wouldn't do that either, and I'm sorry for dragging you into this.  If I was a similar situation as be.open you're one of the few people I would trust with my proof.

[be.open]

Sancho is my son’s account, now he is 17

We've heard these types of excuses so many times they get harder and harder to believe after a while.  If my son was on this forum I would have had some interaction with him on the forum that would make it obvious that we are close, or made a public declaration of our relationship at some point in time.  Too often these excuses are given by accounts that appear to have avoided any indication that "they know each other" and then all of the sudden, once an address or a social media account is connected to both accounts these types of excuses come out.

My son and I did not advertise our family relationship on the forum, because I simply did not see the need for this. It would be really necessary if we wanted to participate in the same bounty campaign at the same time, but we did not want to do this. Initially, the rules of our competitive game were such that we choose different campaigns, otherwise the whole point of the competition disappears. We did not have a goal to earn as much as possible. The educational goal was to learn how to choose the best among many campaigns. This is a really valuable skill and I myself have learned a lot. And my son turned out to be better than me and I am very proud of him, he made amazing progress over these two years!

Sancho is my son’s account, now he is 17

Perhaps I can enter a video chat on whatsapp with one of the DT members and show my passport, in which there is an entry about the presence of my son, born in 2002.

I'm not sure that would really help.  All that would prove is that you indeed have a 17 year-old son.  Unless you and your son can join the video chat together.  In that case identification wouldn't really be necessary, in my opinion.  By your local time setting it looks like you are in central Asia.  Maybe you can convince LoyceV to participate in video call with you and your son.  He's in western Europe, so your time zones are close.

I think this can also be done. However, will this convince hostile skeptics? The need to prove something here puts me in a disadvantageous position, because one can always say that it’s not enough. And my son and I will already be deanonymized, and in the Central Asian region this may have negative consequences for both of us in the future. That’s why I called on the presumption of innocence to help and argue that the evidence against me is insufficient. Better to justify the guilty than to convict the innocent, isn't it?

I'm really sorry for you finding yourself in this situation.  Both be.open and Sancho seem like decent folks.  Helpful, contributing the forum, and not your typical shit-posting bounty spammers.  I want to believe you, but short of convincing a DT member that you are two different people you're reputation will suffer as a result of this.  Good luck.

Tnx.

I'm not going to do any video chat, because that's almost as bad as doxing myself.

I was wondering how that could be done without sharing your real phone number, which is how Whatsapp works.  Telegram and Keybase don't offer video chat, and I don't know of any anonymous chat service that does.  

If this really helps, I am ready to do it on Skype.

I am ready to show my face to protect my reputation. I am ready to enter into an open dialogue. And I want to see the face of the one who judges me. How can I trust a person who hides his face? I don’t think there will be any problems with this, bitcoin has a lot of evangelists all over the world and for sure one of them is on the DT list. Right? I guarantee that I will be a polite and pleasant conversationalist, it is in my interests.

[suchmoon]

I am ready to show my face to protect my reputation. I am ready to enter into an open dialogue. And I want to see the face of the one who judges me. How can I trust a person who hides his face? I don’t think there will be any problems with this, bitcoin has a lot of evangelists all over the world and for sure one of them is on the DT list. Right? I guarantee that I will be a polite and pleasant conversationalist, it is in my interests.

Even ignoring privacy concerns, I don't think anybody would (or should) do it. It's impossible to prove that two accounts are not controlled by the same person. Even if we see two people on a video call it doesn't mean anything. You could ask someone - even your real son - to support your story but it's just not possible to actually prove it. So I don't think it's worth it for any DT member to get involved in this. They would be essentially vouching for something that they can't reliably verify.

So it really comes down to your own credibility. It looks like right now the opinions are kinda split on that. You don't seem to have any particular financial gain from this alleged sockpuppeting. If what you're saying is true you can probably earn you reputation back the hard way - by staying on the forum and contributing to it. If it's not true - I guess you'd just leave the forum or become a disgruntled troll

[be.open]

I am ready to show my face to protect my reputation. I am ready to enter into an open dialogue. And I want to see the face of the one who judges me. How can I trust a person who hides his face? I don’t think there will be any problems with this, bitcoin has a lot of evangelists all over the world and for sure one of them is on the DT list. Right? I guarantee that I will be a polite and pleasant conversationalist, it is in my interests.

Even ignoring privacy concerns, I don't think anybody would (or should) do it. It's impossible to prove that two accounts are not controlled by the same person. Even if we see two people on a video call it doesn't mean anything. You could ask someone - even your real son - to support your story but it's just not possible to actually prove it. So I don't think it's worth it for any DT member to get involved in this. They would be essentially vouching for something that they can't reliably verify.

As you can see, I simply have no chance to prove my point. That is why in a fair justice system there is a presumption of innocence and the burden of proof rests with the prosecution.

So it really comes down to your own credibility. It looks like right now the opinions are kinda split on that. You don't seem to have any particular financial gain from this alleged sockpuppeting. If what you're saying is true you can probably earn you reputation back the hard way - by staying on the forum and contributing to it. If it's not true - I guess you'd just leave the forum or become a disgruntled troll

I believe in bitcoin and crypto, this is the future, so I'm here. And the hard way doesn't scare me - fewer competitors. The question is about the unjust punishment for an imperfect act. The issue of libel against me, which in all jurisdictions is considered a crime (and my lawyer like a hungry pitbull  ). The question is the adequacy of the entire trust system, which imposes a penalty, ignoring the presumption of innocence. And these are just my personal questions.

And there is still a problem with my son. Which is very cool as a bounty hunter, and from whom his favorite toy was taken. Just see how good he is. Probably best. You as a father let this down on the brakes? As they say, "I killed for less".

This is a trifle matter, why complicate it? Even if there was a mistake (and it didn’t exist), this is not a gross system violation in order to chop off in a rush. I call for prudence and everyone will benefit from this.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

To the accused, just try appealing the tag from those that have tagged you. As you can see not many DT members are interested in this matter because issue like this bring about double standard in the community. Here's a similar situation (supposedly worst than yours) that the accused (in this scenario) was just left with a warning (Neutral feedback) and so far it has turned out to be the right decision to have been made; [need DT] using multiple account, trading merit, self-talking, trading trust. Get those that tagged you to come into the discussion and appeal your tagged.

Putting into consideration, Sancho18 has (357 merit, 250 airdrop, 99 earned 8 recieved from alt) I would suggest this case should be a forgiveable one. The accused has earned almost 100 merit meaning he's quite a decent poster to have earned that much so unless there are more alts supplying the account with merit he should just be left with a warning (Neutral tagged). The other account only recieved 1 merit in return.

PS: More investigate can be performed on the case and if this is the only offend then he should be given a second chance like others with far more worst offends has recieved considering they all have decent forum activity records and not some bounty/spam/shit posters

[be.open]

To the accused, just try appealing the tag from those that have tagged you.

Perhaps there is a motive for personal revenge, which of course does not adorn the current member of the DT. I do not deny her services to the forum in clearing scam, but the vector of her activity is destructive and fraught with professional deformation, when even decent people seem to be scammers. This happens. I like her, but there may be a case of abuse of power.

PS: More investigate can be performed on the case and if this is the only offend then he should be given a second chance like others with far more worst offends has recieved considering they all have decent forum activity records and not some bounty/spam/shit posters

The history of my posts is in my profile, welcome. I think topic starter tried very hard to find at least something. However, some other mistake may emerge or may be two, it is possible. I am not a robot and I can be wrong, the right to make a mistake is one of the most important for humans. This does not negate that I tried as hard as possible to fair play and taught my son the same thing. Tnx.

[tvplus006]

To the accused, just try appealing the tag from those that have tagged you.

Perhaps there is a motive for personal revenge, which of course does not adorn the current member of the DT. I do not deny her services to the forum in clearing scam, but the vector of her activity is destructive and fraught with professional deformation, when even decent people seem to be scammers. This happens.

If you look at the date of the message that you called personal revenge, you will easily see a contradiction. This post was published on September 7th.
And on September 14, lovesmayfamilis puts you on its trust list. From which she removed you last week.
Where is the logic in your words? Stop blaming her.

[be.open]

To the accused, just try appealing the tag from those that have tagged you.

Perhaps there is a motive for personal revenge, which of course does not adorn the current member of the DT. I do not deny her services to the forum in clearing scam, but the vector of her activity is destructive and fraught with professional deformation, when even decent people seem to be scammers. This happens.

If you look at the date of the message that you called personal revenge, you will easily see a contradiction. This post was published on September 7th.
And on September 14, lovesmayfamilis puts you on its trust list. From which she removed you last week.
Where is the logic in your words? Stop blaming her.

You seem not very experienced with women. This is called "aroused and not fucked", a woman can forgive a lot, but not that. There is definitely logic in this, you just need to understand people more deeply.

Code:

September 7 - I hooked her
September 14 - She is agree
And nothing more

Bingo, the recipe for motive for personal revenge is ready.

I think the decision about the negative tag was impulsively made by a disappointed wet pussy. Perhaps that is why the more sane members of the DT are in no hurry to support.

[lovesmayfamilis]

The first message you refer to have nothing to do with my attitude towards you. I did not know you. Later, you began to appear more on the topic of the reputation of the Russian section. Yes, I added you to my trust list, and therefore took the responsibility to tag you. You cannot be loved by everyone, and I try to adhere to the rules of the forum. I meet these stories about brothers and sisters very often. And all your manner of communicating with people, with the admission of your own guilt, does not inspire me to remove the tag.

I also gave you merits.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52422322#msg52422322
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52401597#msg52401597

Tell me why? There are my posts that sound positive in your direction. You say this was a preparation for revenge?  You are nobody to me, and I see a lot of people like you on the forum. I have uncovered many fraudulent projects. Was it my revenge on everyone? Dear, do not exaggerate your significance.

I think the decision about the negative tag was made a wet cunt, which is probably why the more sane members of DT are in no hurry to support.

Don't you think this is very rude?

[tvplus006]

Perhaps there is a motive for personal revenge, which of course does not adorn the current member of the DT. I do not deny her services to the forum in clearing scam, but the vector of her activity is destructive and fraught with professional deformation, when even decent people seem to be scammers. This happens.

If you look at the date of the message that you called personal revenge, you will easily see a contradiction. This post was published on September 7th.
And on September 14, lovesmayfamilis puts you on its trust list. From which she removed you last week.
Where is the logic in your words? Stop blaming her.

You seem not very experienced with women. This is called "aroused and not fucked", a woman can forgive a lot, but not that. There is definitely logic in this, you just need to understand people more deeply.

Code:

September 7 - I hooked her
September 14 - She is agree
And nothing more

Bingo, the recipe for motive for personal revenge is ready.

I think the decision about the negative tag was made a wet cunt, which is probably why the more sane members of DT are in no hurry to support.

In my opinion, you have chosen the wrong defense tactics. You understand that the final solution to your question will depend on lovesmayfamilis, but you continue to blame and insult her. This has no prospects for resolving the situation.

[be.open]

Don't you think this is very rude?

I just call a spade a spade and I think it's true. Don’t pout, honey.
 

In my opinion, you have chosen the wrong defense tactics. You understand that the final solution to your question will depend on lovesmayfamilis, but you continue to blame and insult her. This has no prospects for resolving the situation.

There are two effective strategies if I want to resolve this issue positively. And one of them is to remove lovesmayfamilis from the list of DT for abuse of power on the grounds of personal revenge. I am a man of action and try to work out all the options. I do not like to just wait for mercy.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Have you forgotten how to read? What is personal revenge? You are nobody to me. The most common user that I mistakenly entered on my trust list, relying on your decency. What I regret now. You are not worth it.

[be.open]

Have you forgotten how to read? What is personal revenge? You are nobody to me. The most common user that I mistakenly entered on my trust list, relying on your decency. What I regret now. You are not worth it.

Glad we resumed our dialogue. I did not deserve to be punished, and with your head you know that. I disappointed you, it happens. But that does not make me and my son a bounty cheater. Please be prudent, cancel your tag and go to peace.

ps And you're still on my trust list. Because I don’t act like a little offended girl. Correct your mistake and do not bury yourself even deeper.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

To the accused, just try appealing the tag from those that have tagged you.

Perhaps there is a motive for personal revenge, which of course does not adorn the current member of the DT.

Here's an advice buddy don't try to point fingers or play the victim game. Tagging you isn't a wrong decision as the evidence provided above is enough reasons to back that. Many others have ruined their account due to same offends you committed and be mindful of your use of words because you might just draw more attention of other DT members to this situation. The attitude you display towards resolving you case matters alot not forgetting we're mostly humans here.

@Lovesmayfamilis feedback isn't wrong whether it's a personal attack or not. Understand that and appeal your tagged reasonably.

[be.open]

Tagging you isn't a wrong decision as the evidence provided above is enough reasons to back that.

Nop, if I'm right. But I cannot prove it, and the prosecution cannot refute it. There is an inescapable doubt here and I ask you to interpret it in my favor, calling for the aid of the presumption of innocence. I do not ask believe me, I ask to judge me fairly.

But I heard your advice, tnx.

[suchmoon]

As you can see, I simply have no chance to prove my point. That is why in a fair justice system there is a presumption of innocence and the burden of proof rests with the prosecution.

This is not a criminal trial and you're not being sentenced to prison. You have +1 and -1 in your DT feedback. You can go up or down from here, mostly depends on you.

I just call a spade a spade and I think it's true. Don’t pout, honey.

It may seem true in some backwoods where it's still acceptable to treat women this way but in reality that's quite wrong. You might want to rethink your attitude.

[be.open]

As you can see, I simply have no chance to prove my point. That is why in a fair justice system there is a presumption of innocence and the burden of proof rests with the prosecution.

This is not a criminal trial and you're not being sentenced to prison. You have +1 and -1 in your DT feedback. You can go up or down from here, mostly depends on you.

I would rather go up with a clean reputation without a bounty cheater tag, which I absolutely don't deserve. In addition, the cleanliness of Sancho's account bothers me even more.

I just call a spade a spade and I think it's true. Don’t pout, honey.

It may seem true in some backwoods where it's still acceptable to treat women this way but in reality that's quite wrong. You might want to rethink your attitude.

Sorry, I probably got excited about the form of the statement, which does not negate the presence of a motive for personal revenge.

By the way, topicstarter also has a motive for personal revenge.

And what do we have? One rummages through my story of messages two years ago, trying to find at least something dubious. Another imposes a sentence before considering all the circumstances of the case, without hearing the arguments of the defense (despite the fact that Sancho18 immediately declared his innocence and asked not to rush to conclusions). Although both are well aware that this is not a shit-posting farm, but two active accounts with unique high-quality content. Maybe because both are driven by a thirst for personal revenge?

[JohnBitCo]

Although all the father/Son , brother/sister cases in this forum are all fake but going through all this conversation I have a feeling in my heart that be.open might be true in his case and he deserve justice here. Everyone is not liar and the way he has presented his case, I do hope he get the result which may keep him and his son's believe that justice do exists in this world.

On contrary to this, the shameless words which be.open used for lovesmayfamilis in public is condemnable and he should say sorry to her , regardless of her opinion of her tagging him. What impresses me that even after so much humiliations, she did not replied back in an abusive language which shows her nobility.

Also i am not sure which personals glitch you both have as that link directs to local language which i am not familiar with, but lovesmayfamilis should make a fair decision in the end whatever she think is right.

[be.open]

Although all the father/Son , brother/sister cases in this forum are all fake but going through all this conversation I have a feeling in my heart that be.open might be true in his case and he deserve justice here. Everyone is not liar and the way he has presented his case, I do hope he get the result which may keep him and his son's believe that justice do exists in this world.

Tnx.

On contrary to this, the shameless words which be.open used for lovesmayfamilis in public is condemnable and he should say sorry to her , regardless of her opinion of her tagging him. What impresses me that even after so much humiliations, she did not replied back in an abusive language which shows her nobility.

Also i am not sure which personals glitch you both have as that link directs to local language which i am not familiar with, but lovesmayfamilis should make a fair decision in the end whatever she think is right.

It would be much easier for me to protect my reputation if the punishment had not already been applied. It took me a while to study similar precedents and work out an optimal line of defense. Obviously, abolishing the punishment is much more difficult than preventing it. Unfortunately, I did not find another effective way to call the punisher for an open dialogue on this topic. And I needed her open recognition of the presence of a motive for revenge, and here it is:

Have you forgotten how to read? What is personal revenge? You are nobody to me. The most common user that I mistakenly entered on my trust list, relying on your decency. What I regret now. You are not worth it.

lovesmayfamilis openly admits that she made a mistake by including me in her trust list, that I disappointed her. But what is the reason for disappointment? I did not promise her that I did not have a son. I did not hide the fact that I participated in bounty campaigns. I did not try to use her trust for personal gain. I did not try to introduce myself to her in a winning light. I did not lie to her that I never make mistakes. I just always was myself, as now. What, some kind of accusation for doing things two years ago, destroyed my halo of holiness? What is the reason for such a sharp reaction with the removal from the trust list and the issuance of a negative tag? I have only one answer to all these questions, and no matter how I try to soften its wording, the essence will not change. And even leaving behind the brackets the reason for such an impulsive decision, this is an abuse of power. Madame made a lynching, and then hid in the bushes. Not good, it's a shame. It is wrong to make emotions decisions that put an end to the career of a bounty hunter. For a member of DT, this behavior is unacceptable, it’s like signing for professional unsuitability.

But as a person, I like her and I deeply regret that I had to resort to such measures. Sorry.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Where am I hiding? Or do you think that I should listen or read your rudeness all day? You already wrote a lot of nasty things for me. The more you continue, the less you will receive answers from me. And yes, I’m tired of this attitude, talk to your wife or son like that. Well, call for help further. Just look at similar topics, and learn to respect others, and not make yourself a Jedi.

You have been given good advice from suchmoon.

Maybe you can understand that the world does not revolve around you.

[be.open]

Where am I hiding? Or do you think that I should listen or read your rudeness all day? You already wrote a lot of nasty things for me. The more you continue, the less you will receive answers from me. And yes, I’m tired of this attitude, talk to your wife or son like that. Well, call for help further. Just look at similar topics, and learn to respect others, and not make yourself a Jedi.

I don't make myself a Jedi, I am a Jedi. And I saw my son’s tears from your unjust impulsive punishment, so do not expect special tenderness from me. This is not a forum for moms discussing diapers, so you won’t have discounts here for no balls. You made a mistake - have the power to acknowledge it, and correct it. You are trying to save your face, but you do not need to think about your face now, but about my son.

[JohnBitCo]

Where am I hiding? Or do you think that I should listen or read your rudeness all day? You already wrote a lot of nasty things for me. The more you continue, the less you will receive answers from me. And yes, I’m tired of this attitude, talk to your wife or son like that. Well, call for help further. Just look at similar topics, and learn to respect others, and not make yourself a Jedi.

I don't make myself a Jedi, I am a Jedi. And I saw my son’s tears from your unjust impulsive punishment, so do not expect special tenderness from me. This is not a forum for moms discussing diapers, so you won’t have discounts here for no balls. You made a mistake - have the power to acknowledge it, and correct it. You are trying to save your face, but you do not need to think about your face now, but about my son.

Do you people know each other in person ? You and lovesmayfamilis ?
So what if she remove the feedback from your son profile but keep it on yours ?  I know this cannot happen but if she does, would you agree ?

[LoyceV]

Now that I have a bit more time, I'll share my opinion on this thread.

Cheating  [BOUNTY]🔶Crowd Genie🔶 campaign

How did he/they cheat the bounty? In the thread, I don't see any limitations on the number of accounts anyone can use. It may be unethical, but I don't think it's against the rules.
I have a hard time believing any Bounty thread that promised $1,000 in their made-up Token per week, and since they thrive on spam, I don't think they even mind if someone joins with more than one account.

Connection through merit: Favorite profiles to send sMerit to for Sancho18 is be.open (top-1) - 8 merits sent, 1 merit returned.

These are the posts:

Merit sent by be.open (Trust list) from January 24, 2018 until October 11, 2019 (source)
    93. Tue Sep 10 19:10:16 2019: 1 (109) to Sancho18 (history) for Re: Bitcoin vs Золото vs Фиат

Merit received by be.open (Trust list) from January 24, 2018 until October 11, 2019 (source)
    19. Tue Feb  6 16:19:59 2018: 1 (36) from Sancho18 (history) for Re: Аналитика, анализ, прогнозы, новости.
     9. Wed Jan 31 07:11:25 2018: 1 (17) from Sancho18 (history) for Re: Аналитика, анализ, прогнозы, новости.
     5. Thu Jan 25 19:33:09 2018: 5 (9) from Sancho18 (history) for Re: Аналитика, анализ, прогнозы, новости.
     1. Thu Jan 25 06:49:45 2018: 1 (1) from Sancho18 (history) for Re: Аналитика, анализ, прогнозы, новости.

I can't read it, but considering the low amount of Merit, and the fact that some of those posts were Merited by others too, I can't say this is a clear case of Merit abuse.

Connection through wallets: great amount of tokens from both wallets were sent to
0xf47f85001beb74eaa57a1bd37a38bb9a5de02a46

I don't think this is debated by the involved accounts, so I assume this is correct.

3 | Twitter accounts must be original. Fake, dead, inactive and bot accounts will not be accepted.

Obviously be.open/Sancho18 have violated this rule.

From what I've seen, the large majority of all bounty spammers uses fake Twitter accounts that only have other bounty spammers as followers.

Sancho is my son’s account, now he is 17, and for him, participating in the bounty campaigns was something like a fun game that we played together competing with each other, trying to never cross. Once I made a mistake and joined the same twitter campaign as him. This does not mean that I am a cheater, because behind us we think for more than a hundred different campaigns, and I was mistaken only once.

I've seen the "he's my family member" excuse too many times, and I can't verify it, so I'll ignore that part. But the rest: I see 2 users who each earned much more Merit than most other users, and must belong to the top "bounty hunters" in terms of Merit earnings.

To proof you are the father and son, you will need to show your ID and your son govt. issued ID which will show the father name of Sancho.

You know this is Bitcointalk, right? Wait, let me quote theymos on KYC:

I'll get right on that, just as soon as hell freezes over.

I said earlier that I wouldn't be willing to have a video chat because that's close to doxing myself, but an equally important reason is that I don't want to ask anyone else to do this either.

So, if you have a son, then you can have two accounts, if two sons, then three, if you have friends, then you can build a huge bot farm? OK. Beautiful story, thanks.

You can have more than one account indeed.

When you manage to interest your 15-year-old teenage son into engaging in any joint activities, and continue to do this together for two years, it will be important for me to know your opinion on this issue. I am very grateful to the forum that I managed to establish good relations with my son, thanks to the competitive quest in the bounty.

I really want this to be true, it sounds like a good thing to have.

If my son was on this forum I would have had some interaction with him on the forum that would make it obvious that we are close, or made a public declaration of our relationship at some point in time.

I've actually considered creating accounts for my kids already, but haven't done it yet. They're too young now, but when they're old enough, the first thing I want to teach them is how to protect their privacy online. I'm not sure yet if I'd want them to declare family relationships online, especially when it comes to Bitcoin! Anyone knowing who I am could accidentally dox me by doxing himself.

I think the decision about the negative tag was made a wet cunt, which is probably why the more sane members of DT are in no hurry to support.

Don't you think this is very rude?

I can't find this back in the unedited scraped post, nor in the current post so I can't confirm this was really posted. But if it was, it has been edited again, so I guess that means be.open agrees it was uncalled for.
One way or another, I don't really care about rude comments. It says more about the person saying it than the person they're talking about.
Whatever happens, always try to stay friendly

There are two effective strategies if I want to resolve this issue positively. And one of them is to remove lovesmayfamilis from the list of DT for abuse of power on the grounds of personal revenge.

With 9 more inclusions than exclusions on lovesmayfamilis, that's not very likely to happen.

I want to quote myself from LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system:

These are mere guidelines
Trust isn't moderated, but how you use it is your "business card" to the community. Use the above as guidelines only. It's meant to give you a general idea of what I consider good behaviour. It's also wise to ask yourself before leaving feedback: "Does my feedback make Bitcointalk a better place? And if it's negative: is it worth destroying someone's account and reputation over this?". Consider using Neutral feedback if neither Positive nor Negative is justified.

I can't read most of their posts, but based on the amount of Merit they received, they must have been contributing something to this forum. And I think we must guard against scaring off users for relatively small things.
May I remind lovesmayfamilis that (s)he him/herself was banned, and got unbanned with a signature ban until next year?

Because lovesmayfamilis Trusts my judgement:

Trust list for: LoyceV (Trust: +24 / =4 / -0) (DT1! (51) 3755 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-10-12_Sat_06.11h)
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LoyceV's judgement is Trusted by:
136. lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 819 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

I suggest to give this user (or these users?) the benefit of the doubt, and a chance to help improve this forum, and turn this into neutral tags.

[KTChampions]

@LoyceV

First of all, I would like to show you what you missed in the comments:

~ And my only mistake by inattention does not mean that I am a cheater.

There is such a funny user Prod.
He became a member in just a week, very successfully received 10 merits from be.open (1), Sancho18 (5), Kutkh (1) and Bonanzabits (3). And on the same day he became a member he sent 4 merits to be.open.

Bonanzabits

Between this and then:
-  After 9 months of bounty in different signature campaigns, with 5 accounts (3 member and 2 Full member) - real profit is 1500 bucks, the rest is shit tokens.. I don't know what's next, will go to growth or will not - don't know, will hold, there is nothing more to do. I hope you have a more interesting picture.. Sorry for the nagging, but I'm upset.. I'm not discouraged, I will continue to work of course, but the ass burns as hell.  

http://archive.md/8igFv

Look at the pages Prod, Kutkh and Bonanzabits and see, that they are decorated in one style on 100%:
 http://archive.md/4f6qm  http://archive.md/jT1AL  http://archive.md/rcEFC

Besides
Prod:
Date Registered:   November 26, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
Last Active:   November 07, 2018, 05:34:14 PM
Kutkh:
Date Registered:   November 26, 2017, 04:09:31 PM
Last Active:   November 07, 2018, 05:36:15 PM

The pages contain ETH addresses. And it’s clear that Bonanzabits from his address 0xBE96A5d1aD23142e7Ed0b25fe28C4478B7318170 sent ETH to Kutkh 0xEB82E662bAfdab04A6190E8daF6995c5188C9C28 https://etherscan.io/tx/0x3b21f8c54c50ce30e57dbf8a8f69a5351d44d3c7db56495a9c84a959478c8f61

Bonanzabits did not send ETH to Prod, but he sent him merits.

be.open answer:

~I do not have and never had access to these accounts (Prod, Kutkh и Bonanzabits), but I know whose they are and this is my good friend, thanks to the advice of which I myself came to the crypto. But he ended up on the forum later than me, and as a token of gratitude I helped to start a forum career (so he calls pumping botfarm by merits - clarification from KTChampions) for him and asked Sancho to help him a little. ~

~By the way, here are two campaigns where be.open and his friend bot owner Bonanzabits participated together:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18VGKXNLd-XH8QA4o24tEtbnbKqdgfrZ-73xmSvGpxR0/edit#gid=1415290917
#414 и 419
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vXJNIQAc4tRHQaUcdaKrcPObS_gK3frz9kGnxdmwALQ/edit#gid=450365382
#7 и 16

And a little more about honesty:

~

Did you have to go through KYC ?

I did not go through KYC, and I am not going to do it, but if I have to, I will use other people's IDs. IMHO, it’s worthless for a cryptanarchist to do a KYC ...  

five accs (3 member and 2 Full member)

stunned, here i get tired of working with one .. but 5!
Well this is how much you have to post

about 100 posts per week.

And finally:

Topic Election of an additional moderator

Here is an ideological and active person. I learned a lot from him. Suggest him, maybe he will agree ..  Roll Eyes
be.open

I can’t know how many people are behind these five accounts, but the fact is that they are all connected and engaged in shady / fraudulent activities.

These are not isolated errors. This is a systematic violation of forum rules and deception of other users.

Now that I have a bit more time, I'll share my opinion on this thread.

Cheating  [BOUNTY]🔶Crowd Genie🔶 campaign

How did he/they cheat the bounty? In the thread, I don't see any limitations on the number of accounts anyone can use. It may be unethical, but I don't think it's against the rules.
I have a hard time believing any Bounty thread that promised $1,000 in their made-up Token per week, and since they thrive on spam, I don't think they even mind if someone joins with more than one account.

3 | Twitter accounts must be original. Fake, dead, inactive and bot accounts will not be accepted.

Obviously be.open/Sancho18 have violated this rule.

Perhaps the bounty manager and the company that holds the bounty are not against it, but the rules are written clearly. The fact is that they were violated.

These are the posts:
~
I can't read it, but considering the low amount of Merit, and the fact that some of those posts were Merited by others too, I can't say this is a clear case of Merit abuse.

Father and son communicate on the forum and send merit for good messages to each other? The very idea of this seems very strange to me.

3 | Twitter accounts must be original. Fake, dead, inactive and bot accounts will not be accepted.

Obviously be.open/Sancho18 have violated this rule.

From what I've seen, the large majority of all bounty spammers uses fake Twitter accounts that only have other bounty spammers as followers.

You are right, but all thieves steal the same way. And there are a lot of them. And this is not a reason not to punish caught thieves.

I can't read most of their posts, but based on the amount of Merit they received, they must have been contributing something to this forum. And I think we must guard against scaring off users for relatively small things.

When you have a "son" who generously sends you merits, and when you have a "friend" with a whole farm of accounts, then of course it is easier to get merits than honestly having one account.

Please read the post I quoted at the beginning of the post. It's not just "little sins."

I suggest to give this user (or these users?) the benefit of the doubt, and a chance to help improve this forum, and turn this into neutral tags.

A user with a red tag can bring benefit to this forum just like a user without a red tag. And it seems to me when we “forgive” some obvious violator, we do much more harm to the forum than good, as ordinary participants feel that there is no objectivity, but there is a hierarchical system. All users are equal, but some users are more equal than others. (c)

[suchmoon]

These are not isolated errors. This is a systematic violation of forum rules and deception of other users.

Which forum rules did they violate?

3 | Twitter accounts must be original. Fake, dead, inactive and bot accounts will not be accepted.

Obviously be.open/Sancho18 have violated this rule.

Perhaps the bounty manager and the company that holds the bounty are not against it, but the rules are written clearly. The fact is that they were violated.

Was the twitter account fake, dead, inactive, or a bot?

[KTChampions]

These are not isolated errors. This is a systematic violation of forum rules and deception of other users.

Which forum rules did they violate?

Forum rules:

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.

Account farmers almost always violate this rule:

Cool theme 

Thanks, helpful 

Thank!

Cool idea! I will open the same in my city !! 

Great idea!! But I will not give private keys 

The idea of gifts in the crypto is doubtful, but mining is an interesting thing! 

An interesting project, is it something like Polybius?

Yes, the project is interesting, I would like to participate in the signature, but still low rank 

9. Discussions in the main boards must be in english. All other language discussions should be posted in the appropriate Local board.

just "znak"

- it was posted il Ru local.

Do you want a formal answer? I gave it to you.

3 | Twitter accounts must be original. Fake, dead, inactive and bot accounts will not be accepted.

Obviously be.open/Sancho18 have violated this rule.

Perhaps the bounty manager and the company that holds the bounty are not against it, but the rules are written clearly. The fact is that they were violated.

Was the twitter account fake, dead, inactive, or a bot?

https://twitter.com/Sancho_1_8 - fake and bot (no own tweets)
https://twitter.com/bitubuntu - fake and bot.
https://twitter.com/bonanzabits - fake and bot.
The remaining two are suspended.

[suchmoon]

Do you want a formal answer? I gave it to you.

I was expecting that you would somehow substantiate the original claim but it looks like you moved the goalposts. Are we still talking about things you laid out in the OP or something else? If there are shitposts - report them to moderators. If anything, this makes it less likely that Prod, Kutkh, and Bonanzabits are be.open's alts - he's typically much more verbose.

[be.open]

Now that I have a bit more time, I'll share my opinion on this thread.
...
I suggest to give this user (or these users?) the benefit of the doubt, and a chance to help improve this forum, and turn this into neutral tags.

Thank you for taking the time to look into this matter essentially. I appreciate your opinion and you helped me a lot. Tnx.

And it seems to me when we “forgive” some obvious violator, we do much more harm to the forum than good, as ordinary participants feel that there is no objectivity, but there is a hierarchical system.

They told you - there’s nothing to forgive. Your theme is essentially slander. Sancho and I are not bounty cheaters.

How did he/they cheat the bounty? In the thread, I don't see any limitations on the number of accounts anyone can use.

If anything, this makes it less likely that Prod, Kutkh, and Bonanzabits are be.open's alts - he's typically much more verbose.

You are right, I do not manage these accounts, this is not my level. In any case, this is beyond the scope of this topic, forum rules do not allow me to discuss this here (and there is nothing to discuss).

Maybe you can understand that the world does not revolve around you.

Maybe you canceled your unjust accusation? I passed the LoyceV's test, I hope this is a pretty weighty argument for you.

[KTChampions]

Do you want a formal answer? I gave it to you.

I was expecting that you would somehow substantiate the original claim but it looks like you moved the goalposts. Are we still talking about things you laid out in the OP or something else? If there are shitposts - report them to moderators. If anything, this makes it less likely that Prod, Kutkh, and Bonanzabits are be.open's alts - he's typically much more verbose.

Fast check:

These are not isolated errors. This is a systematic violation of forum rules and deception of other users.

Which forum rules did they violate?

3 | Twitter accounts must be original. Fake, dead, inactive and bot accounts will not be accepted.

Obviously be.open/Sancho18 have violated this rule.

Perhaps the bounty manager and the company that holds the bounty are not against it, but the rules are written clearly. The fact is that they were violated.

Was the twitter account fake, dead, inactive, or a bot?

You are asking a question on my message of october 16th. And you get the answer exactly on the material you are asking about. If something does not suit you, then be more precise in your questions.

If anything, this makes it less likely that Prod, Kutkh, and Bonanzabits are be.open's alts - he's typically much more verbose.

be.open/Sancho18 claims that this is the farm of his friend.

[YOSHIE]

I was expecting that you would somehow substantiate the original claim but it looks like you moved the goalposts. Are we still talking about things you laid out in the OP or something else? If there are shitposts - report them to moderators. If anything, this makes it less likely that Prod, Kutkh, and Bonanzabits are be.open's alts - he's typically much more verbose.

I see this topic as quite warm to watch,
A little motivated for my visit to Russia.

Note:
I am not taking sides with anyone in this accusation.

However, reasons are common.?

I traveled to Russia and met @sne.su.
The conversation occurred, even though he was last active in 2018 but @ sne.su is still active.

I ask.
1. Is @ be.open your father.
No answer.
2. What number of children are @ be.open and are @ Sancho18 your sister or your sister?
No answer.

Indeed, they did not cheat in the campaign.
But have either a lot of account or brother, sister etc.

A little bit of illusion.

A little answer from @be.open's dad about @ sne.su.

Accounts Connected:

1. be.open
2. sne.su

Proof:

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2213411.msg22388557#msg22388557

#JOIN
Bitcointalk username: sne.su
Forum rank: Member
Posts count:  178
ETH address: 0xf73b910A78B7808C2FB755668ca4C4F8138a13b5

http://archive.is/bkCOh

Bitcointalk Username: be.open
Twitter Account Link: https://twitter.com/bitubuntu
Audit Link: https://www.twitteraudit.com/bitubuntu
Followers: 2668
BTC ADDRESS: 1Fe3dEZq4qjH9o9vwTjo8y44j3idRCCz5o
ETH ADDRESS: 0xf73b910A78B7808C2FB755668ca4C4F8138a13b5

http://archive.is/J3bfw

Related Addresses:

Code:

ETH ADDRESS: 0xf73b910A78B7808C2FB755668ca4C4F8138a13b5

Miscellaneous:

[??]

[be.open]

Accounts Connected:

1. be.open
2. sne.su

Hi, good job.  

It was originally just a promo account for my site https://sne.su/ with a quote from Jean Baudrillard, whose philosophical works influenced my worldview.

We are in a world in which more and more information and less and less sense.

Account is inactive for about a year, the site is still working.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The terms of that bounty don't state that alt accounts are not allowed to be used.

You know, a while ago when I was actively tagging members who had multiple linked accounts in the same bounty I actually looked at the rules of some of these bounties, and I noticed that most of them don't have rules against this.  That's kind of when I stopped tagging people for enrolling alt accounts in bounties, even though I still think it's an unsavory practice--they're gobbling up spots that could be given to other people IMO and ultimately are being very greedy.

Basically, if the bounty manager doesn't care if the same person is using multiple accounts in a single bounty, why should I or any other DT member take the time to tag them?  It's unsavory but if it isn't against the rules it isn't cheating and it's not even really dishonest.  It sure would be nice if those bounty managers did make rules prohibiting the practice, but in their eyes the more accounts they get enrolled the more advertising they get. 

The whole system is completely fucked.

[be.open]

The terms of that bounty don't state that alt accounts are not allowed to be used.

You know, a while ago when I was actively tagging members who had multiple linked accounts in the same bounty I actually looked at the rules of some of these bounties, and I noticed that most of them don't have rules against this.  That's kind of when I stopped tagging people for enrolling alt accounts in bounties, even though I still think it's an unsavory practice--they're gobbling up spots that could be given to other people IMO and ultimately are being very greedy.

Basically, if the bounty manager doesn't care if the same person is using multiple accounts in a single bounty, why should I or any other DT member take the time to tag them?  It's unsavory but if it isn't against the rules it isn't cheating and it's not even really dishonest.  It sure would be nice if those bounty managers did make rules prohibiting the practice, but in their eyes the more accounts they get enrolled the more advertising they get.  

The whole system is completely fucked.

You are right, I also do not encourage such a practice. In my case, it was a single episode, and the campaign did not succeed, no one received anything, so this unfortunate accident did no harm to anyone. But I rebuke myself for that case, it was a mistake, although not dramatic.

I also want to state that I tagged Sancho18’s account as belonging to my son (and asked him to tagged my as belonging to his father). Therefore, I ask you to conduct a review of the new episode regardless of Sancho18's account, I do not want my son to suffer for my mistakes. Tnx.

[Sancho18]

2. What number of children are @ be.open and are @ Sancho18 your sister or your sister?
No answer.

Hello, I am the only son of my father. At least I hope so.

[KTChampions]

Additional details:

Ok, I will delete that rule, BUT will permanently reject all those participants who didn't follow this already mentioned rules

3: Posts must be constructive and On-topic. Spamming, low-quality posts,  copy paste and off topic, posts will not be counted.

Please update the spreadsheets.

And remember, correcting an error does not mean that you did not commit it.

You are scamer!

I will save proof link on this topic. Take yourself a new occupation, because your career bounty manager is nearing completion.

http://archive.md/tQie2

Achtung! The manager of the English thread of the bounty, Irfan Irfan, is a scamer, and these tables will most likely be filled by Irfan too, and he will throw all the bountists through the dick, as in the Rivetz and Reality Clash campaigns, guys stay away from this asshole, in vain you hired him a very unfortunate decision.

http://archive.md/G6ajH

But I do not see sne.su in these campaigns. But I see:

Reality Clash

7/29/2017 21:26:36   29/09/2017   Sancho18   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1018592   Member   197   50   No      Accepted   Low quality   15   8.726907695   130.9036154   1588.852895   0xf73b910A78B7808C2FB755668ca4C4F8138a13b5

Rivetz Bounty

04/07/2017 21:15:12   10/09/2017   be.open   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=986242   https://twitter.com/bitubuntu   990   acccepted   5   9.587777217   47.93888609   19.45735286   0xf73b910A78B7808C2FB755668ca4C4F8138a13b5

   

[be.open]

Additional details:

What do you want to hear from me, except that you are an asshole? Currently be.open is my only active account. The times of the fat bounty are long gone. The main reason I am still here is communicating with like-minded people and believing in the inevitable victory of bitcoin. Instead, I spend my time on your meager garbage.

[suchmoon]

You are asking a question on my message of october 16th. And you get the answer exactly on the material you are asking about. If something does not suit you, then be more precise in your questions.

Are you serious? I'm now responsible for your off topic blabber because I didn't ask the question correctly. How about you stop bringing up unrelated BS.

I'm not aware of forum rules that would be relevant to be.open cheating bounty campaigns (the topic of this thread) because forum policies typically don't cover bounties. That's why I asked. What's next? "be.open systematically violates the law"! "How"? "He was jaywalking yesterday".

It was originally just a promo account for my site https://sne.su/ with a quote from Jean Baudrillard, whose philosophical works influenced my worldview.

You could have prevented all this if you had come clean with all your alts, friends, and relatives. The fact that new ones are uncovered daily now makes us think how many others you still have.

[be.open]

It was originally just a promo account for my site https://sne.su/ with a quote from Jean Baudrillard, whose philosophical works influenced my worldview.

You could have prevented all this if you had come clean with all your alts, friends, and relatives. The fact that new ones are uncovered daily now makes us think how many others you still have.

This is very time consuming and not always possible. Fortunately, there are enough lovers to delve into someone else's history, probably they even consider it a feat, I do not want to deprive them of such pleasure. I also believe, and have already said it here, that correcting my story is wrong. This makes the account refined and not genuine.

Currently be.open is my only active account.

[lovesmayfamilis]

You could have prevented all this if you had come clean with all your alts, friends, and relatives. The fact that new ones are uncovered daily now makes us think how many others you still have.

I left this topic, 
but I can add that these 2 accounts have long been of interest to people. Here is a similar topic, from a beginner, where the nicknames of "be.open" and "Sancho18" appear

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4761435.msg43010234#msg43010234

[suchmoon]

This is very time consuming and not always possible.

It's actually very simple. You create an account - you label it with a neutral trust rating.

I did it for you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1077612

[be.open]

This is very time consuming and not always possible.

It's actually very simple. You create an account - you label it with a neutral trust rating.

I did it for you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1077612

Tnx.

LoyceV's excellent trust guide appeared just a week ago. The trust system is very complex and confusing, I'm not sure that I understand it well, and most importantly I'm not sure I want to understand it. I guess I'm an anarchist and the ideology of punk is close to me too. Therefore, it can be difficult for me to join the hierarchical system, and therefore I love bitcoin.

ps By the way, account sne.su seems to have been hacked, because I looked at the message history and I don’t remember that I wrote it. This is not my style. I find it difficult to remember when I used it for the last time, it was quite a long time ago. My usual way of perceiving the world is that I am here and now and look to the future. I do not have a very good memory and it is difficult for me to turn around to study my past. It looks like you hurried with the tag too.

[YOSHIE]

there are enough lovers to delve into someone else's history, probably they even consider it a feat,

What this question is directed to me.

Lover, history, achievement, no.

I hate multiple accounts, cheating, and lying.
You are not honest, to yourself, your words make me a bit hooked.

A reason that is often brought up by multiple accounts and liars.
Son, uncle, wife, silly reasons do not make sense to me.

@LovceV, already said.

I've learned not to trust screenshots a long time ago. That's why I asked you to Report the PM to Admin (hilariousandco). Add a link to this thread, and ask him to confirm here.
I'm pretty sure he'll leave red trust too if it checks out.

Proof:

The main problem:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192395.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4761435.msg43010234#msg43010234

However, I can give you (red trust),
On the basis of cheating in the same campaign.

Topic: [BOUNTY]🔶Crowd Genie🔶:First Asia-wide Asset Exchange🔶ENDED!!!
 

For now you say @ Sancho18 your child.
However, the only bitcoin address at stake is yours.

Your posting history with @ Sancho18 in the same business.

Verified:

Please quote for staking. Tnx!

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
be.open 1Fe3dEZq4qjH9o9vwTjo8y44j3idRCCz5o 21.07.2017
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1Fe3dEZq4qjH9o9vwTjo8y44j3idRCCz5o
IH1aTo+7muQFs9rprlB7rgel3OvdneU2x/0+xtkpadU7Aeek6d7UJOpvjcBz02vRm26MCfnYrRi6Ytg+VBaMiCk=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Now, Tell @ Sancho18, to risk a Bitcoin address here: Topic: Stake your Bitcoin address here

If not, I will give red trust to both of you.

Note:
I am not threatening, you are lying and fishing for further action.

[Sancho18]

Now, Tell @ Sancho18, to risk a Bitcoin address here: Topic: Stake your Bitcoin address here

If not, I will give red trust to both of you.

Note:
I am not threatening, you are lying and fishing for further action.

Please do not rush, English is not my native language, I'm not sure that I understood correctly what exactly I need to do. I signed the message with a bitcoin address that I have in my profile, but in general I usually use a ledger. Please do not let your hate spoil my account.

[LoyceV]

Tell @ Sancho18, to risk a Bitcoin address

I'm not sure what you're going for, but let's not start risking our Bitcoin addresses!

[be.open]

Note:
I am not threatening, you are lying and fishing for further action.

I never lie, it's too energy consuming. I do not always tell the whole truth, like any of us here, because I value my privacy. This is normal, calm down. Please do not run into my son, he is not quite an adult yet. If you want to talk, talk to me.

[YOSHIE]

Yes, now I acknowledge that @ Sancho18 is his son, @ be.open.
Sorry for my emotions, your case is finished and I declare finished.

Bitcoin addresses are at stake.

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg52789869#msg52789869

Quoted and Verified.

@KTChampions, please lock the topic, @ be.open is telling the truth. Only one Atl account belongs to @ be.open, @sne.su. If you do not mind.

[KTChampions]

Yes, now I acknowledge that @ Sancho18 is his son, @ be.open.
Sorry for my emotions, your case is finished and I declare finished.

Bitcoin addresses are at stake.

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg52789869#msg52789869

Quoted and Verified.

@KTChampions, please lock the topic, @ be.open is telling the truth. Only one Atl account belongs to @ be.open, @sne.su. If you do not mind.

Given the fact that plagiarism was found and now be.open/sne.su is sent to the moderators topic is locked.

[KTChampions]

The topic has to be opened again.

Sancho is my son’s account, now he is 17, and for him, participating in the bounty campaigns was something like a fun game ~

When you manage to interest your 15-year-old teenage son into engaging in any joint activities,~

Checking Sancho18's messages revealed that it was a lie.

be.open claims that he engaged his 15-year-old son to the crypto in a game form through participation in bounty campaigns.
Sancho18 Date Registered:   June 02, 2017, 15 years old, new to crypto.
On July 8th, he already has a diversified portfolio consisting of “bitcoin, top altcoins and exotic crypto shit”. Top altcoins are on Bittrex and he is actively trading them.
In October, he already has a full Bitcoin node on a separate laptop.
A lot of messages devoted to trading on Bittrex and it follows from them that he has been doing this for a long time.
He advises friends (apparently also schoolchildren) to think about a retirement strategy. A lot of various messages that say that an adult writes from this account. Given the fact that the vocabulary, topics and even events about which the posts are written coincide, I conclude that this is be.open.

~ I have a little bit of NEX and ARDX on my bittrex account,~

~
There are a few NEX on bittrex, ~

Now a small visualization of the merits movement between accounts:



From be.open we "know":
1.) sne.su is his alt.
2.) Sancho18 is his son.
3.) Prod, Kutkh and Bonanzabits is a farm of his friend.

Who is more^power?

Bonanzabits Last Active:   October 18, 2019, 10:02:56 PM http://archive.md/bbpu8
Prod Last Active:             October 18, 2019, 10:02:15 PM http://archive.md/oiNMa
Kutkh Last Active:           October 18, 2019, 10:03:54 PM http://archive.md/60Lsm
more^power Last Active:   October 18, 2019, 10:03:26 PM http://archive.md/8ESBL

~
Tell me, will the weekly progress be somehow indicated in the tables of the signature campaign, or will everything be calculated at the end? It seems that there was a demand to write less evenly throughout the entire campaign, in which case it would be logical to mark weekly stakes for the participants.

http://archive.md/Pw3WA

# 3 19/10/2017 13:10:26   more^power  Junior/Member  0x5aEDa141CeB7323825fB57F8C0faE9a0A97a1674   

   
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19qjAXtTdGzh4RJWpnh26npNkiCb-9VZHJuiA_94qTpE/edit#gid=1268945142

As previously established, this wallet belongs to be.open/Sancho18

Cheating  [Bounty]MODULE

- Using multi-accounts, spam, bots and so on are strictly prohibited, all attempted users will be banned.

# 25 27.07.2018 15:55:52   more^power  Full Member 0x8D176194f1a20072009ed8DD958C7301fded9c5C

# 343 26.07.2018 13:47:21   be.open Sr. Member 0x32971bEd557C6A8dA1c5C8c4053b68ce610FDe76

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rPq9cUMrDiOIRI0pw3R1fjb8bKWymkl_rKNPJIMULyY/edit#gid=1318387486

Cheating AdSana bounty

Multiple accounts are not allowed and will result in banning you from our campaign.

#20 Sancho18 0x32971bEd557C6A8dA1c5C8c4053b68ce610FDe76

#28 More^power 0x8D176194f1a20072009ed8DD958C7301fded9c5C

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17FYhxddLNYRZaBGz_hb_52Xlvt04J6u6_dLbnKImY98/edit#gid=1050052320

In addition to all this, there is an interesting nuance - plagiarism.

Пpиcoeдиняюcь, paз вce тaк cлoжнo. Xopoшaя paбoтa, чeлoвeк вмecтo пoнимaния cвoeй вины, yпepтo дoкaзывaeт oбpaтнoe. Бpaт, cвaт... вce этo былo.
Bceгдa yвaжaлa мнeниe Coolcryptovator .

Кaк гoвopил Бeнeдикт Cпинoзa, "ccылкa нa aвтopитeт нe ecть дoвoд".
~

http://archive.md/5Lcrn

A тo, чтo пpeдлaгaeтe вы, вызoвeт гaлoпиpyющyю инфляцию, и этo нe pитopичecкий вoпpoc.

Cкaжитe этo Цyкepбepгy ))

Инфляция вызoвeт дeфицит тoвapoв - пpoизвeдyт eщe.

B нaшe вpeмя пpoизвecти тoвap - нe пpoблeмa. Пpoблeмa eгo пpoдaть.

Mы живём вo вpeмeнa кpизиca пepeпpoизвoдcтвa. Toвapы ecть, a дeнeг y людeй нeт. Taк-чтo инфляция тyт нe cтpaшнa. Hyжнo coздaть изoбилиe дeнeг.

Кaк гoвopил Бeнeдикт Cпинoзa, "ccылкa нa aвтopитeт нe ecть дoвoд".
~

http://archive.md/Zvend

Google search by this phrase gives out  3 results:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1955840.0 Sancho18 on btt
https://popgun.ru/viewtopic.php?t=798397&start=120 be-open on popgun
http://guns.allzip.org/topic/5/1906656.html and this message on mirror.

So:
1.) If be-open from popgun is an individual person then be.open/Sancho18 should be banned.
2.) If be-open from popgun is be.open from btt then Sancho18 should be banned.
3.) If be-open from popgun is Sancho18 from btt then be.open should be banned.
4.) If this is one person, then he must somehow prove it.

It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

[suchmoon]

It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

They're not gonna get banned for a properly sourced and quoted phrase.

[DireWolfM14]

It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

Lol.  Dude, you're grasping at straws.  I can see why you would think be.open is an asshole, but no one is getting banned for being an asshole.  Half the forum would be fucked if that was the case.  I know I qualify from time to time.  In fact, here I go again:  This vendetta you've got against be.open is reflecting as poorly on you as you wish it were on him.

[be.open]

The topic has to be opened again.

Really, again? Well, I will answer.

Sancho is my son’s account, now he is 17, and for him, participating in the bounty campaigns was something like a fun game ~

When you manage to interest your 15-year-old teenage son into engaging in any joint activities,~

Checking Sancho18's messages revealed that it was a lie.

be.open claims that he engaged his 15-year-old son to the crypto in a game form through participation in bounty campaigns.
Sancho18 Date Registered:   June 02, 2017, 15 years old, new to crypto.
On July 8th, he already has a diversified portfolio consisting of “bitcoin, top altcoins and exotic crypto shit”. Top altcoins are on Bittrex and he is actively trading them.
In October, he already has a full Bitcoin node on a separate laptop.
A lot of messages devoted to trading on Bittrex and it follows from them that he has been doing this for a long time.
He advises friends (apparently also schoolchildren) to think about a retirement strategy. A lot of various messages that say that an adult writes from this account. Given the fact that the vocabulary, topics and even events about which the posts are written coincide, I conclude that this is be.open.

~ I have a little bit of NEX and ARDX on my bittrex account,~

~
There are a few NEX on bittrex, ~

My son has a rich creative imagination and a close family relationship with me. Very gifted child. A little higher, YOSHIE confirmed that I was telling the truth.

Now a small visualization of the merits movement between accounts:



From be.open we "know":
1.) sne.su is his alt.
2.) Sancho18 is his son.
3.) Prod, Kutkh and Bonanzabits is a farm of his friend.

Who is more^power?

This is my ex alt account, I made it just because I can and because I feel more power (so I called him that). For a long time it is not active and for an even longer time I do not manage it. He was hacked by social hacking, around the first quarter of 2018. I did not feel affected by the loss of control over an account that I do not need, so I did nothing. I am its creator, but this is not my alt account for a long time. If this is a problem, I think I can solve it, I know who hacked me. If not a problem, I would prefer to continue to do nothing. I don’t want to testify against my friend, he is, among other things, a cool social hacker, I do not approve of some of his methods, and he is still my friend. If you think that someone has suffered from his activities, you can conduct a separate investigation on this issue. For now he is not active on the forum for about a year.

I know that from the outside it may look like selling an account, but I didn’t. At the beginning of 2018, I was already rich enough, and I just did not need it. An indirect proof of this is the very existence of some evidence against me, creating an account for sale I would take care that they were not there. I never sold accounts, this contradicts my inner beliefs.

Cheating  [Bounty]MODULE

- Using multi-accounts, spam, bots and so on are strictly prohibited, all attempted users will be banned.

# 25 27.07.2018 15:55:52   more^power  Full Member 0x8D176194f1a20072009ed8DD958C7301fded9c5C

# 343 26.07.2018 13:47:21   be.open Sr. Member 0x32971bEd557C6A8dA1c5C8c4053b68ce610FDe76

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rPq9cUMrDiOIRI0pw3R1fjb8bKWymkl_rKNPJIMULyY/edit#gid=1318387486

Perhaps this episode looks a little dubious to me. But that was after I lost control of more^power account. A stylistic and semantic expertise in the history of messages in that period will easily confirm the correctness of my words. I also want to note that I did not receive a reward for this campaign and removed my signature after one week of participation, proof. Throughout this long story of accusation against me, there is not a single victim.

Cheating AdSana bounty

Multiple accounts are not allowed and will result in banning you from our campaign.

#20 Sancho18 0x32971bEd557C6A8dA1c5C8c4053b68ce610FDe76

#28 More^power 0x8D176194f1a20072009ed8DD958C7301fded9c5C

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17FYhxddLNYRZaBGz_hb_52Xlvt04J6u6_dLbnKImY98/edit#gid=1050052320

Sancho18 is not my alt account, therefore, there are no violations.

In addition to all this, there is an interesting nuance - plagiarism.

Пpиcoeдиняюcь, paз вce тaк cлoжнo. Xopoшaя paбoтa, чeлoвeк вмecтo пoнимaния cвoeй вины, yпepтo дoкaзывaeт oбpaтнoe. Бpaт, cвaт... вce этo былo.
Bceгдa yвaжaлa мнeниe Coolcryptovator .

Кaк гoвopил Бeнeдикт Cпинoзa, "ccылкa нa aвтopитeт нe ecть дoвoд".
~

http://archive.md/5Lcrn

A тo, чтo пpeдлaгaeтe вы, вызoвeт гaлoпиpyющyю инфляцию, и этo нe pитopичecкий вoпpoc.

Cкaжитe этo Цyкepбepгy ))

Инфляция вызoвeт дeфицит тoвapoв - пpoизвeдyт eщe.

B нaшe вpeмя пpoизвecти тoвap - нe пpoблeмa. Пpoблeмa eгo пpoдaть.

Mы живём вo вpeмeнa кpизиca пepeпpoизвoдcтвa. Toвapы ecть, a дeнeг y людeй нeт. Taк-чтo инфляция тyт нe cтpaшнa. Hyжнo coздaть изoбилиe дeнeг.

Кaк гoвopил Бeнeдикт Cпинoзa, "ccылкa нa aвтopитeт нe ecть дoвoд".
~

http://archive.md/Zvend

I will explain an interesting nuance. The highlighted phrase can be considered an idiomatic introductory sentence. It consists of the commonly used prefix "as say" and quotation marks with quotation indicating the author, and the quote is short and easy to quote from memory. I sometimes use it in my private life, and her son has repeatedly heard from me.

If the message consisted entirely of this one phrase - this could represent some problem. But this is only the introductory part of the messages, as indicated by the tilde. The entire message is not plagiarized, even if the introductory part is formally plagiarized (without infringement of copyright).

Google search by this phrase gives out  3 results:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1955840.0 Sancho18 on btt
https://popgun.ru/viewtopic.php?t=798397&start=120 be-open on popgun
http://guns.allzip.org/topic/5/1906656.html and this message on mirror.

So:
1.) If be-open from popgun is an individual person then be.open/Sancho18 should be banned.
2.) If be-open from popgun is be.open from btt then Sancho18 should be banned.
3.) If be-open from popgun is Sancho18 from btt then be.open should be banned.
4.) If this is one person, then he must somehow prove it.

Here you crossed the point of no return, a long chain of false conclusions brought you here. It becomes crystal clear here that this is just a vulgar vendetta. Forced personal trolling for doxxing detected. Such actions are unacceptable in a forum that respects anonymity and privacy.

Update: Evidence was here and then removed to protect my anonymity and privacy. If necessary, I can provide them again.


ps If you still have any questions, I am open for a constructive dialogue.

[Sancho18]

It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

Lol.  Dude, you're grasping at straws.  I can see why you would think be.open is an asshole, but no one is getting banned for being an asshole.  Half the forum would be fucked if that was the case.  I know I qualify from time to time.  In fact, here I go again:  This vendetta you've got against be.open is reflecting as poorly on you as you wish it were on him.

I think the only asshole here is KTChampions. My father has a very strict personal code of honor and his always strong enough to follow it. This is a Hero with a cosmic wide consciousness, and an impressive set of life skills. He loves me very much and does not require anything in return. To have such an outstanding living example before my eyes is for me both a curse and a reward.

[KTChampions]

It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

Lol.  Dude, you're grasping at straws.  I can see why you would think be.open is an asshole, but no one is getting banned for being an asshole.

I just give the facts. This phrase is written from just three accounts in the world. Proof. And, presumably, it was written by 1 or 2 or 3 people. This forum fights plagiarism fiercely and many people have been banned for less.

In fact, here I go again:  This vendetta you've got against be.open is reflecting as poorly on you as you wish it were on him.

I don’t know why you think that there is something personal. I just do not like cheaters and liars. As YOSHIE

I hate multiple accounts, cheating, and lying.

and many other forum participants.

This is my ex alt account, I made it just because I can and because I feel more power (so I called him that). For a long time it is not active and for an even longer time I do not manage it. He was hacked by social hacking, around the first quarter of 2018. I did not feel affected by the loss of control over an account that I do not need, so I did nothing. I am its creator, but this is not my alt account for a long time. If this is a problem, I think I can solve it, I know who hacked me. If not a problem, I would prefer to continue to do nothing. I don’t want to testify against my friend, he is, among other things, a cool social hacker, I do not approve of some of his methods, and he is still my friend. If you think that someone has suffered from his activities, you can conduct a separate investigation on this issue. For now he is not active on the forum for about a year.

I know that from the outside it may look like selling an account, but I didn’t. At the beginning of 2018, I was already rich enough, and I just did not need it. An indirect proof of this is the very existence of some evidence against me, creating an account for sale I would take care that they were not there. I never sold accounts, this contradicts my inner beliefs.

When plagiarism was found on sne.su, you said "it was hacked" because you could no longer deny that this was your alt account.
Now a similar story. Do you really think that all forum participants are idiots and you can cheat them endlessly?

~
Well, at the expense of the Japanese and Monero, yes, I wonder what our regulars will say? poptop? be.open? What do you think?

http://archive.md/TxBpK

Your friend hacker stole an account and started talking to you from it. Cool story.

[be.open]

This is my ex alt account, I made it just because I can and because I feel more power (so I called him that). For a long time it is not active and for an even longer time I do not manage it. He was hacked by social hacking, around the first quarter of 2018. I did not feel affected by the loss of control over an account that I do not need, so I did nothing. I am its creator, but this is not my alt account for a long time. If this is a problem, I think I can solve it, I know who hacked me. If not a problem, I would prefer to continue to do nothing. I don’t want to testify against my friend, he is, among other things, a cool social hacker, I do not approve of some of his methods, and he is still my friend. If you think that someone has suffered from his activities, you can conduct a separate investigation on this issue. For now he is not active on the forum for about a year.

I know that from the outside it may look like selling an account, but I didn’t. At the beginning of 2018, I was already rich enough, and I just did not need it. An indirect proof of this is the very existence of some evidence against me, creating an account for sale I would take care that they were not there. I never sold accounts, this contradicts my inner beliefs.

When plagiarism was found on sne.su, you said "it was hacked" because you could no longer deny that this was your alt account.
Now a similar story. Do you really think that all forum participants are idiots and you can cheat them endlessly?

~
Well, at the expense of the Japanese and Monero, yes, I wonder what our regulars will say? poptop? be.open? What do you think?

http://archive.md/TxBpK

Your friend hacker stole an account and started talking to you from it. Cool story.

The truth is simple, both accounts were socially hacked at the same time and in one way. And I know who did this, because I managed to regain control of the sne.su account. I think I can also restore control over the more^power account, this will require additional efforts and I'm not sure what it needs to be done. Now I have enough of one active account, and I already have two (be.open and sne.su), thanks to you. Is it worth it to wake up the third (what if the Dragon is there)?

[LoyceV]

It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

Lol.  Dude, you're grasping at straws.
~snip~
This vendetta you've got against be.open is reflecting as poorly on you as you wish it were on him.

Agreed. We get it, KTChampions doesn't like be.open. First he tried to get him tagged, then he tried to have him banned, and after that failed he's back at trying to get him tagged again. I'd say: lock this, and ignore users you don't like.
Fun fact: KTChampions hasn't even tagged be.open on his own. Why wait for others to do your dirty work?
I stand corrected. Sorry.

[YOSHIE]

@KTChampions and @ be.open, I don't know the problems you are facing right now.

At first this accusation will not be finished, you attack each other.

After @ be.open verified the BTC address of his son @ Sancho18 I considered complete, nothing was discussed anymore, @ be.open only had one Alt @ sne.su account, and that was given neutral by @suchmoon.

However, I think this problem is enough here and resolved peacefully, but I don't think this topic will be reopened with other accusations, it is beyond my mind from, the real purpose of @KTChampions.

Why I don't give red trust to: @ be.open and @ sne.su, because they don't cheat on the bitcointalk Forum.

Initially, the meeting I posted above @ be.open and @ Sancho18 registered in the same bounty, right I think Alt @ be.open.
But after everything is filled in the BTC address the child is verified, so I assume @ Sancho18 is indeed his child @ be.open.

In this Forum many members have 2 or more accounts, if found cheating in one prize is prohibited.
while he's fine, no break the rules. I think he is safe.

Honestly I do not know the problems you face.
I can only suggest that both of you, @KTChampions and @ be.open are both Russians. Your reputation is good both globally and locally.

Peace is beautiful, for example eating one plate together.
So, ashamed to be seen by many people in this Forum, what do people say in Reputation has a topic Russia vs Russia. It's good to watch, peace choice is a wise step.

It all depends on you, both ways of thinking good and bad, but now bad and good are in front of you two.

"Every rain stops and every war there is peace."

[be.open]

It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

Lol.  Dude, you're grasping at straws.
~snip~
This vendetta you've got against be.open is reflecting as poorly on you as you wish it were on him.

Agreed. We get it, KTChampions doesn't like be.open. First he tried to get him tagged, then he tried to have him banned, and after that failed he's back at trying to get him tagged again. I'd say: lock this, and ignore users you don't like.
Fun fact: KTChampions hasn't even tagged be.open on his own. Why wait for others to do your dirty work?

I am glad that now the motive for personal revenge seems obvious to you. Unfortunately, to protect my reputation, I had to provide evidence that is very personal for me and now, if desired, everyone can easily find out my full real name, what I look like, maybe my exact address and phone number. This whole topic looks like a well-planned attack for my deanonymization, and I must admit - it is almost a success. This goes beyond discussing reputation issues. I am not confused by the possibility of my deanonymization, but I am categorically against the unceremonious unreasonable invasion of my privacy and I care about the safety of my family. I hope the moderators will respond adequately, tnx.

[KTChampions]

We get it, KTChampions doesn't like be.open. First he tried to get him tagged, then he tried to have him banned, and after that failed he's back at trying to get him tagged again. I'd say: lock this, and ignore users you don't like.
Fun fact: KTChampions hasn't even tagged be.open on his own. Why wait for others to do your dirty work?

As you can see, I am doing all the work.

I do not understand your talk about vendetta. I only show the facts. The previous group of hightrank scammers I caught is also something personal? I did not even know these users before I caught them.

@YOSHIE

I do not pursue personal goals regarding be.open/sne.su/more^power/Sancho18/Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh, nothing personal.
I'm just trying to make the forum cleaner (and especially RU local) and since I see what these users are involved in, I show these unpleasant facts.
I think that merit abuse, cheating in bounty, plagiarism or criminal activity of “be.open's friend ” in the form of hacking accounts deserves a red tag/ban.
Facts say that all these accounts are connected. All the excuses "this is my son, this is my friend’s farm, this account was hijacked and not me wrote" these are just words.

[be.open]

I do not pursue personal goals regarding be.open/sne.su/more^power/Sancho18/Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh, nothing personal.
I'm just trying to make the forum cleaner (and especially RU local) and since I see what these users are involved in, I show these unpleasant facts.
I think that merit abuse, cheating in bounty, plagiarism or criminal activity of “be.open's friend ” in the form of hacking accounts deserves a red tag/ban.
Facts say that all these accounts are connected. All the excuses "this is my son, this is my friend’s farm, this account was hijacked and not me wrote" these are just words.

Your motives could be approved if I wrote shit posts, and there would be at least one victim who could say "Hey, my steak turned out to be less because of his alt activity". And when this is not (and this is not), everything becomes too much like the personal attack of a hungry troll. But trolling is prohibited by the rules of the forum, paragraph 3. Forcing for doxxing is also discouraged. Therefore, I am sorry, but you have turned from a prosecutor into an accused, and your violations are much more serious than "mine".

[yahoo62278]

  your violations are much more serious than mine

Not that I care to get involved but since you guys are making me read this shitstorm daily, the above bolded statement brings my thoughts to you are admitting your guilt?

[be.open]

 your violations are much more serious than mine

Not that I care to get involved but since you guys are making me read this shitstorm daily, the above bolded statement brings my thoughts to you are admitting your guilt?

I’m not guilty here, but it seems that in the past I made a couple of optional unforced errors, for which I am not proud. However, this only proves that I am a living person. And there was no malicious intent in my actions, no one was hurt from my mistakes. I corrected the previous message so that there would no longer be the temptation to take the wish for the reality. I also removed my evidence from the previous page (it’s understood that they did not cease to exist) so as not to put my family's safety at unnecessary risk. I hope for your understanding, I have nothing to hide, but this does not mean that I should exhibit my personal life, tnx.

[KTChampions]

Continuation of a beautiful fairy tale:

~
This is my ex alt account, I made it just because I can and because I feel more power (so I called him that). For a long time it is not active and for an even longer time I do not manage it. He was hacked by social hacking, around the first quarter of 2018. I did not feel affected by the loss of control over an account that I do not need, so I did nothing. I am its creator, but this is not my alt account for a long time. If this is a problem, I think I can solve it, I know who hacked me. If not a problem, I would prefer to continue to do nothing. I don’t want to testify against my friend, he is, among other things, a cool social hacker, I do not approve of some of his methods, and he is still my friend. If you think that someone has suffered from his activities, you can conduct a separate investigation on this issue. For now he is not active on the forum for about a year.

After I showed that this story is very illogical and contrary to common sense for various reason, be.open came up with a new story: both accounts (sne.su, more^power) were not stolen; they were donated by be.open himself to his friend.

Look what he said about this before here:

ps By the way, account sne.su seems to have been hacked, because I looked at the message history and I don’t remember that I wrote it. This is not my style. I find it difficult to remember when I used it for the last time, it was quite a long time ago. My usual way of perceiving the world is that I am here and now and look to the future. I do not have a very good memory and it is difficult for me to turn around to study my past. It looks like you hurried with the tag too.

and in local:

I read, there was plagiarism. Or is it not considered?

Thank you, dear, I knew that you won’t be able to hold on for a long time with your hands washed from my family and will want to rummage around in my shit again.

Hmm, even I don’t remember ever writing about MMM at all, I think this account was hacked.

~Ahead of the second series, the account sne.su, long forgotten by me, surfaced, which turned out to have managed to live an independent life for almost a year, and wrote some kind of
ridiculous crap about MMM and it seems with plagiarism. Now a ban shines to him, and, accordingly, by the chain, to me. I myself am in aah from my rich forum biography. I need to sleep a bit.

Let me remind you that lovesmayfamilis found plagiarism in the sne.su account.
Account more^power participated in the bounty simultaneously with Sancho18 and in another bounty simultaneously with be.open.

be.open regained control of sne.su account with help of Bitcointalk account recovery team and only now (when new contradictions surfaced) remembered that he gave (as a gift) this account to a friend (who owns Bonanzabits,Prod and Kutkh).

Do not anyone think that be.open/sne.su/more^power/Sancho18/Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh exceeded the limit of lies and considers everyone to be idiots?

[be.open]

Continuation of a beautiful fairy tale:

Glad you liked it.

Let me remind you that lovesmayfamilis found plagiarism in the sne.su account.

Not enough evidence. The message referred to by the lovesmayfamilis does not exist. And when it existed, there was no plagiarism, but missing quoting in the body of a unique message.

I ask you to re-close the topic due to insufficient evidence and lack of corpus delicti (no victims - this is a rehabilitative foundation).

[MFahad]

Anyways your decision has already been taken.    Good Luck

The decision made is hasty and erroneous, and does not take into account the circumstances I have provided here. Tnx.

ps I consider the topic title to be offensive and untrue, it casts a shadow on my reputation a priori. Please change it from affirmative to interrogative. Otherwise, after the explanations I have already made, this statement turns into slander.

I would like to re-enter here as i be watching this interesting case all the way through. Coming back to the presumption of innocence, I would say that doubt remains even after plagiarism & more accounts were found. You had a good 10 days trail, but nothing found which can make the doubt into reality.

According to the definition, this case should be closed now.

The presumption of innocence is the legal principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty. ... The prosecution must in most cases prove that the accused is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused must be acquitted.

[KTChampions]

I would like to re-enter here as i be watching this interesting case all the way through. Coming back to the presumption of innocence, I would say that doubt remains even after plagiarism & more accounts were found. You had a good 10 days trail, but nothing found which can make the doubt into reality.

According to the definition, this case should be closed now.

You probably missed some of the information in the comments.

The facts are undeniable: a group of accounts is connected through the use of the same wallets, through merit, through the same behavior and vocabulary. There are undeniable facts about bounty cheating and merit abuse.

And we ourselves see the lies and deceit that come from be.open: a few days ago he said that accounts sne.su and more^power were stolen, and now he says that he gave (as a gift) them to his friend (the owner of the account farm Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh), do you like it when you are being deceived?

[MFahad]

I would like to re-enter here as i be watching this interesting case all the way through. Coming back to the presumption of innocence, I would say that doubt remains even after plagiarism & more accounts were found. You had a good 10 days trail, but nothing found which can make the doubt into reality.

According to the definition, this case should be closed now.

You probably missed some of the information in the comments.

The facts are undeniable: a group of accounts is connected through the use of the same wallets, through merit, through the same behavior and vocabulary. There are undeniable facts about bounty cheating and merit abuse.

And we ourselves see the lies and deceit that come from be.open: a few days ago he said that accounts sne.su and more^power were stolen, and now he says that he gave (as a gift) them to his friend (the owner of the account farm Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh), do you like it when you are being deceived?

Maybe i have missed some information but what about the other DT eyes, they are not being convinced.
lovesmayfamilis has also removed her tag, and your feedback does not matter much unless you become a DT member.
I do not see any further progress on it, unless you dig out something more.

[be.open]

And we ourselves see the lies and deceit that come from be.open: a few days ago he said that accounts sne.su and more^power were stolen, and now he says that he gave (as a gift) them to his friend (the owner of the account farm Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh), do you like it when you are being deceived?

There is no lie, no contradiction. Accounts were hacked using social hacking. A friend asked for help and received it. There would be no request - there would be no loss of control. I am vulnerable to requests for help from friends, this is my weakness. I can get rid of her and become more invulnerable. But my life without friends will become more lonely and less joyful, although much easier. And I decided that this is "not a bug, but a feature".

[KTChampions]

And we ourselves see the lies and deceit that come from be.open: a few days ago he said that accounts sne.su and more^power were stolen, and now he says that he gave (as a gift) them to his friend (the owner of the account farm Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh), do you like it when you are being deceived?

There is no lie, no contradiction. Accounts were hacked using social hacking. A friend asked for help and received it. There would be no request - there would be no loss of control. I am vulnerable to requests for help from friends, this is my weakness. I can get rid of her and become more invulnerable. But my life without friends will become more lonely and less joyful. And I decided that this is not a bug, but a feature.

Earlier you wrote:

~
ps By the way, account sne.su seems to have been hacked, because I looked at the message history and I don’t remember that I wrote it. ~

I read, there was plagiarism. Or is it not considered?

Thank you, dear, I knew that you won’t be able to hold on for a long time with your hands washed from my family and will want to rummage around in my shit again.

Hmm, even I don’t remember ever writing about MMM at all, I think this account was hacked.

And you turned to the moderator in the Ru local for advice on how to restore access to the stolen account.
Now it’s clear that you did this in order to avoid accusations of plagiarism that was found by lovesmayfamilis.

And now you are claiming that both accounts were donated by you to your friend.

I hope LoyceV and YOSHIE will like this story as they tried to figure out this whole situation.

[be.open]

Earlier you wrote:

~
ps By the way, account sne.su seems to have been hacked, because I looked at the message history and I don’t remember that I wrote it. ~

Yes, I wrote it earlier. Why are you pulling my words out of context? Is it really so difficult to quote even a complete paragraph?

ps By the way, account sne.su seems to have been hacked, because I looked at the message history and I don’t remember that I wrote it. This is not my style. I find it difficult to remember when I used it for the last time, it was quite a long time ago. My usual way of perceiving the world is that I am here and now and look to the future. I do not have a very good memory and it is difficult for me to turn around to study my past. It looks like you hurried with the tag too.

At that moment, I only knew that the account was probably hacked, the circumstances of the hack were clarified later.

Now it’s clear that you did this in order to avoid accusations of plagiarism that was found by lovesmayfamilis.

I have already shown above that there is no plagiarism.

And in any case, plagiarism is a matter in the competence of the moderator. The local staff has already given you a vanishing answer on this.

[LoyceV]

I hope LoyceV and YOSHIE will like this story as they tried to figure out this whole situation.

I'm going to click "unwatch" on this thread, I've wasted enough time reading this vendetta.

[KTChampions]

Now it’s clear that you did this in order to avoid accusations of plagiarism that was found by lovesmayfamilis.

I have already shown above that there is no plagiarism.

And in any case, plagiarism is a matter in the competence of the moderator. The local staff has already given you a vanishing answer on this.

Lies, plagiarism is undeniable.
According to your link, the moderator explains that he did not make a ban request, as he believed in your fairy tale about the "stolen account".

LoyceV

Very sorry. You could help make Ru locale a little cleaner, but you didn’t help. I can not insist on this.
But once again I remind you: I have nothing personal regarding be.open/sne.su/more^power/Sancho18/Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh.

[YOSHIE]

I hope LoyceV and YOSHIE will like this story as they tried to figure out this whole situation.

I beg for @KTChampions and @ be.open.
Never bring my name again in your topic, I have already said here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192395.msg52790024#msg52790024

Honestly, i have dozens of cases i found like this.

Note:
If someone in my opinion has an account that exceeds one, if it does not violate the rules that exist in the bitcointalk Forum, cheat etc., I cannot say the account is guilty, prohibited or given something legitimate

If the evidence is invalid, no cheating etc.

The words issued by @ be.open, to the Alt account @sne.su ,I clarify that it was not hacked, the original holder @ be.open, from the beginning until now.

Wake up, the 18th one day after being found connected,
Gmail was changed on the 19th. By @be.open.

Proof:

Link: https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=sne.su




Accounts that are hacked or stolen, sold, gmail must be replaced by hackers or people bought from scratch on hacks, not now.

Link: Topic: Recovering hacked/lost accounts

In this case the accusation is also not strong, because @ be.open told @KTChampions about hacking, because words do not violate the rules.

The Merit problem, everyone sends the same thing between accounts to someone else's account, that can't be one reason the error is strong enough.

So, please, my name is not involved again with this accusation.

If you @KTChampions, have very strong and proven evidence @ be.open guilty of fraud, post here: Topic: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2019 Q4)
I was the first to give a gift.
Warning:
With conditions, accounts that violate @ be.open and @ sne.su. no other.

[KTChampions]

Never bring my name again in your topic,

Ok.

Note:
If someone in my opinion has an account that exceeds one, if it does not violate the rules that exist in the bitcointalk Forum, cheat etc., I cannot say the account is guilty, prohibited or given something legitimate

If the evidence is invalid, no cheating etc.

The evidence is relevant. Merit abuse and cheating are proven.

The words issued by @ be.open, to the Alt account @sne.su ,I clarify that it was not hacked, the original holder @ be.open, from the beginning until now.

Wake up, the 18th one day after being found connected,
Gmail was changed on the 19th. By @be.open.

Proof:

Link: https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=sne.su

Accounts that are hacked or stolen, sold, gmail must be replaced by hackers or people bought from scratch on hacks, not now.

Well, it follows that be.open should be banned for plagiarism that lovesmayfamilis found.

The Merit problem, everyone sends the same thing between accounts to someone else's account, that can't be one reason the error is strong enough.

In addition to merit, there is a proven connection through used wallets.

[be.open]

The words issued by @ be.open, to the Alt account @sne.su ,I clarify that it was not hacked, the original holder @ be.open, from the beginning until now.

Wake up, the 18th one day after being found connected,
Gmail was changed on the 19th. By @be.open.

Proof:

Link: https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=sne.su

The sne.su account was not hacked by bruteforce, it was social hacking, I already gave the explanations above. When I found out, I was able to restore the course of events and regain control. The compromised password was changed by me for security reasons. I reported it here.

The stylistic and semantic expertise of the history of posts can confirm the truth of my words. Even now, after regaining control over the account sne.su, there are some messages in its history that were not written by me. I left them because their content did not cause me an internal contradiction, although of course I would express them in a completely different form. And because I assumed that perhaps expertise would be required to prove the truth of my words. All the posts by sne.su from March 10, 2018 to September 02, 2018 were not written by me. But - I decided that let them be and took responsibility for their content, as for my own. Perhaps this decision is incorrect, and I am ready to clear the message history completely if necessary, leaving only my original messages. Tnx.

Well, it follows that be.open should be banned for plagiarism that lovesmayfamilis found.

Nop, because there is no plagiarism, lovesmayfamilis was mistaken.

The only reasonable reason why you continue to procrastinate the closure of this topic is to support it in the top of the Reputation section and its title trying to slander me. I regard this as a false accusation and slander against me. Just stop it.

[Vadi2323]

I hope LoyceV and YOSHIE will like this story as they tried to figure out this whole situation.

I'm going to click "unwatch" on this thread, I've wasted enough time reading this vendetta.

KTChampions always uses a killer strategy: he gives out part of the compromising information known to him and when the defendant naively gives a false excuse, KTChampions gives another (not all) part, convicting the first excuse of lying and this continues until the victim is completely discredited.

In this case, KTChampions in addition scoffs at LoyceV's hypocrisy )

[be.open]

KTChampions always uses a killer strategy: he gives out part of the compromising information known to him and when the defendant naively gives a false excuse, KTChampions gives another (not all) part, convicting the first excuse of lying and this continues until the victim is completely discredited.

A curious strategy. I hope that while he is desperately rummaging through my story in search of the next batch of shit, he will at least get a little insight into the meaning of my old messages and will cease to be a bitcoin hater and a nocoiner. Maybe at least some benefit will be from this tightened farce. We'll see.

ps By the way, how do you know about his strategy?

[KTChampions]

So we have a farm of connected accounts:

be.open, Sancho18, sne.su, Prod, Kutkh, Bonanzabits, more^power.

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/986242.html - be.open
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1018592.html - Sancho18
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1077612.html - sne.su

Sancho18 Trusts these users' judgement:
~
13. NEW be.open (Trust: +1 / =2 / -1) (DT1 (-4) 326 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
~

sne.su Trusts these users' judgement:
~
13. NEW be.open (Trust: +1 / =2 / -1) (DT1 (-4) 326 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
~

CTRL+C CTRL+V =

be.open Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW ~Balthazar (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. ~Dabs (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ~suchmoon (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (3443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. ~Dimenzino (Trust: neutral) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. ~kzv (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 614 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW ~KTChampions (Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) (498 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW ~witcher_sense (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1036 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. ~ToTheMoon_XOM9IK (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (155 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW ~madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. ~lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (+8) 1028 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Sancho18 Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW ~Balthazar (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW ~Dabs (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW ~suchmoon (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (3443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW ~Dimenzino (Trust: neutral) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. NEW ~kzv (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 614 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW ~KTChampions (Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) (498 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW ~witcher_sense (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1036 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. NEW ~ToTheMoon_XOM9IK (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (155 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW ~madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. NEW ~lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (+8) 1028 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

sne.su Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW ~Balthazar (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW ~Dabs (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW ~suchmoon (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (3443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW ~Dimenzino (Trust: neutral) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. NEW ~kzv (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 614 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW ~KTChampions (Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) (498 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW ~witcher_sense (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1036 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. NEW ~ToTheMoon_XOM9IK (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (155 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW ~madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. NEW ~lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (+8) 1028 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Conclusion: trust abuse.

[LoyceV]

So we have a farm of connected accounts:

be.open, Sancho18, sne.su, Prod, Kutkh, Bonanzabits, more^power.

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/986242.html - be.open
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1018592.html - Sancho18
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1077612.html - sne.su

I noticed the similarities when I updated Users who Created or Wiped their Trust list - weekly data, and was notified about this Russian post a bit later. Unfortunately, I can't read Russian, Google Translate is not ideal to read 2 pages of posts, and I can't post in Russian so I'll respond in this topic. Since my data collection is being used to hand out negative feedback, I hope someone will transfer my concerns to the Russian topic too.

Conclusion: trust abuse.

Even if they're all alt-accounts (we can't  check the "family members" claims), I don't agree it's Trust abuse to add your own alt-accounts to your Trust list.  To quote myself:

Don't confuse your Trust list with feedback
Trust feedback: leave feedback to people you trust or don't trust. Or leave neutral comments.
Trust list: a list of people who's judgement on others you trust (username) or don't trust (~username).

The only "abuse" that happens by adding an alt-account to your Trust list, is influencing DT1 voting. If that's a concern, open a topic in Meta so theymos can exclude them from DT1-voting.

Including your own alt-account(s) on your Trust list means nothing more than trusting the feedback left by those accounts. It's not the same as leaving yourself positive feedback, in which case I would agree it's Trust abuse.
In this case, however, I can't say it is abuse. It's quite useless to do though, because one account only left one neutral feedback, and the other account didn't leave any at all, but that's a mistake many users make when they create their own custom Trust list.

To prove my point:

Trust list for: hilariousetc (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (1750 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h)
Back to index

hilariousetc's judgement is Trusted by:
3. hilariousandco (Trust: +20 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (37) 708 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

Trust list for: DarkStar_alt (Trust: neutral) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h)
Back to index

DarkStar_alt's judgement is Trusted by:
1. DarkStar_ (Trust: +42 / =1 / -0) (1126 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

I wouldn't call hilariousandco and DarkStar_ Trust abusers for adding their alt-account to their Trust list.

[KTChampions]

~ Since my data collection is being used to hand out negative feedback, I hope someone will transfer my concerns to the Russian topic too.
~

I will translate your post into Ru local.

Conclusion: trust abuse.

Even if they're all alt-accounts (we can't  check the "family members" claims), I don't agree it's Trust abuse to add your own alt-accounts to your Trust list.  To quote myself:

Don't confuse your Trust list with feedback
Trust feedback: leave feedback to people you trust or don't trust. Or leave neutral comments.
Trust list: a list of people who's judgement on others you trust (username) or don't trust (~username).

The only "abuse" that happens by adding an alt-account to your Trust list, is influencing DT1 voting. If that's a concern, open a topic in Meta so theymos can exclude them from DT1-voting.

Given the context of other actions of this farm, this is a rather serious abuse. Thanks for the link, I will post in that topic so that this farm is excluded from the vote.

Including your own alt-account(s) on your Trust list means nothing more than trusting the feedback left by those accounts. It's not the same as leaving yourself positive feedback, in which case I would agree it's Trust abuse.
In this case, however, I can't say it is abuse. It's quite useless to do though, because one account only left one neutral feedback, and the other account didn't leave any at all, but that's a mistake many users make when they create their own custom Trust list.

Perhaps after theymos expels this farm from the vote, it would be wise to change the feedbacks of this "trick" to neutral, but not earlier. There are a lot of scammers in Ru local and we are just trying to protect ourselves from them (be.open DT1 this month) 

To prove my point:
~
I wouldn't call hilariousandco and DarkStar_ Trust abusers for adding their alt-account to their Trust list.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that comparing the actions of obviously honest users with the actions of a fraudster and also out of context cannot lead us to reasonable conclusions.

[stoos]

He's been lying all the time and he can't be trusted.

So you can just ~ him. suchmoon has already given him negative feedback for this. Is leaving mass negative feedbacks for the same thing not an abuse?

[hacker1001101001]

He's been lying all the time and he can't be trusted.

So you can just ~ him. suchmoon has already given him negative feedback for this. Is leaving mass negative feedbacks for the same thing not an abuse?

It's not an abuse to give mass negative if it's a proven scammer, sometimes it's better to do so as the DT network is very dynamic now and the feedbacks can jump between trusted and untrusted after monthly DT1 updates by theymos.

[stoos]

It's not an abuse to give mass negative if it's a proven scammer, sometimes it's better to do so as the DT network is very dynamic now and the feedbacks can jump between trusted and untrusted after monthly DT1 updates by theymos.

I see and in case of scammers I totally agree. But beopen is not a scammer, he is respected member. It looks for me more that he is pursued by group of members, which were judging him earlier and still can not forget him, even if he was already painted and almost disapeared from the forum.

[hacker1001101001]

It's not an abuse to give mass negative if it's a proven scammer, sometimes it's better to do so as the DT network is very dynamic now and the feedbacks can jump between trusted and untrusted after monthly DT1 updates by theymos.

I see and in case of scammers I totally agree. But beopen is not a scammer, he is respected member. It looks for me more that he is pursued by group of members, which were judging him earlier and still can not forget him, even if he was already painted and almost disapeared from the forum.

I totally agree, using alt accounts is not prohibited here nor lying about having an alt and this even doesn't deserves a negative tag.

The accusation made in the OP is even baseless as the campaign they were participating in did not have any such rules, and even if it had it was better handled by the manager of the campaign by kicking the participant out and not by some DT tags.

In our locale some users think that duplicating a review is some kind of wrong action. I mean, if you put someone on -1, that's enough.

I think they are more concerned about your reason for the tags, as all of them are BS. As LoyceV said, adding alts to trust list is not an trust abuse.

[stoos]

the Russian local is already tired

Please, do not speak for everyone. Thank you.

[KTChampions]

I totally agree, using alt accounts is not prohibited here nor lying about having an alt and this even doesn't deserves a negative tag.

The accusation made in the OP is even baseless as the campaign they were participating in did not have any such rules, and even if it had it was better handled by the manager of the campaign by kicking the participant out and not by some DT tags.

Before making such conclusions, you should have read the whole topic.

1.) Bounty cheating has been in several campaigns.

2.) This farm has been involved in merit abuse (admitted independently).

3.) be.open was engaged in account trading/changing/gifting check reference from suchmoon:

Lied about the account being hacked, then "gifted" to a friend. If you deal with this user you may find out it was hacked or gifted again if something goes pear-shaped.

[hacker1001101001]

Before making such conclusions, you should have read the whole topic.

I already did hence making conclusions.

1.) Bounty cheating has been in several campaigns.

As I said better handled by campaign manager by kicking out the participant.

2.) This farm has been involved in merit abuse (admitted independently).

Theymos doesn't encourage DTs to tag for merit abuse.

3.) be.open was engaged in account trading/changing/gifting check reference from suchmoon:

Lied about the account being hacked, then "gifted" to a friend. If you deal with this user you may find out it was hacked or gifted again if something goes pear-shaped.

He was not engaged in account trading/changing/gifting, he just lied about it, that could be displayed via a neutral for sure.

[hacker1001101001]

Theymos doesn't encourage DTs to tag for merit abuse.

However, a huge number of users on the forum put a red tag for it. I can give you a million examples of such tags from DT1

You should trust none of them, all of those millions are wrong, all of them should be out of DT.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

[KTChampions]

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

You forget that it was said in the context of the discussion of the meritsors 

[hacker1001101001]

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

You forget that it was said in the context of the discussion of the meritsors 

That doesn't mean that normal users who are not merit source could be tagged for something stupid involving merit.

Don't waste others time because you don't like someone, buy creating unwanted accusations and drama around. I am out.

[Balthazar]

But beopen is not a scammer, he is respected member.

He's a proven liar with multiple accounts, that was demonstrated many times by a lot of people including myself. You're trying to deny the facts which are publicly available.

P. S. I have a small question, respected by whom?  

[Excimer]

be.open is stupid troll and paid provoker supporting a war

translated

...я - кpaйнe aпoлитичный чeлoвeк...

...I am a very apolitical person...

translated

Зeлeнcкий - клoyн-мapиoнeткa, pyчнaя oбeзьянкa Бaйдeнa. Caм Бaйдeн - cтapый мapaзмaтик...
...пo cyти нeтy бoльшe никaкoй Укpaины.

Zelensky is a clone puppet, Biden's hand monkey. Biden is an old senile.
...in fact, there is no more Ukraine.