Isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi killed!

[Daniel91]

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

Daniel, I know English is not your first language so please read it again.  In the very second sentence, I said how an idea can be killed.

Killing people will not kill ideas.  That was the point of my post.

Religions will be killed by educating people and giving them the right epistemic tools to identify falsehoods.

I didn't reffer to your words about killing ideas but about killing religion.
Religion you can't kill,  even with education because it's also idea and for people in Muslim world is also their way of life.
They will not change their traditions and way of life because you will give them some education.
They are already brainwashed in their religion and their ideas so they will not change what they believe.

You can kill any idea if you replace it with a better idea.

Why don't you believe in Zeus?

How do you know that I don't believe in Zeus?
Maybe I believe 100 % in Zeus
After all, Zeus seems more human and closer to me than many other gods who came later.
Today, it is not easy to sell someone an idea that will replace his or her own religion.
If you don't believe it, try it!

[Naida_BR]

I don't believe that shit.

He was only following the orders. He is probably resting on a big yacht and having fun with his underage virgin "wives" as a reward for his services to the US. Thanks to him the US once again could police the world.

Killing him? Haha... how naive.

Well that's another version of the whole story. But no one still presented a very stromg proof that ISIS was just a bunch of suicidal slaves of US which are ready to die in order to reach US' personal agenda. Nonetheless this is a very good news for us because for sure the faction of terrorists weakens. However, the war is not yet over since they only killed the leader and not all of them. He is replaceable .

How are you sure that terrorism attacks are going to be eliminated and that terrorists are now weakened?
The next Leader might be crazier than al-Baghdadi and sparkle a new wave of terrorism attacks around the whole world.

[jossiel]

~snip~

It was irresponsible for the Guardian to release the name of the Dog because it could potentially reveal the name of some of the soldiers who are still in combat zones in the area and endanger their lives. I don’t think the dogs name is newsworthy enough to do this.

And Trump already revealed the name of the hero dog.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-dog-medal-conan-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-isis-photograph-military/

The funny part of the photo he tweeted was edited, look at the photo on the article. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/30/trump-latest-news-tweet-dog-isis

[gabbie2010]

I don't believe that shit.

He was only following the orders. He is probably resting on a big yacht and having fun with his underage virgin "wives" as a reward for his services to the US. Thanks to him the US once again could police the world.

Killing him? Haha... how naive.

Well that's another version of the whole story. But no one still presented a very stromg proof that ISIS was just a bunch of suicidal slaves of US which are ready to die in order to reach US' personal agenda. Nonetheless this is a very good news for us because for sure the faction of terrorists weakens. However, the war is not yet over since they only killed the leader and not all of them. He is replaceable .

How are you sure that terrorism attacks are going to be eliminated and that terrorists are now weakened?
The next Leader might be crazier than al-Baghdadi and sparkle a new wave of terrorism attacks around the whole world.

Those guys 'terrorist' are brainwashed with some Islamic ideology thus irrespective of any attack carried out on them they are never weakened osama bin was killed by special US forces SEAL another deadly leader of ISIS al-Baghdadi emerged in fact ISIS had announced another leader to spearhead or carry out their nefarious activities link here: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/31/world/middleeast/isis-al-baghdadi-dead.html  of course we in for another series of terrorist attacks if not curtailed.

[djsugar]

Citing two senior administration officials, the New York Times reported that US special operations commandos had carried out a risky raid in north-western Syria on Saturday against a senior terrorist leader there, but did not name the person targeted.
Isis leader Baghdadi appears in video for first time in five years
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Iran was informed by Syrian sources that Baghdadi had been killed, two Iranian officials told Reuters on Sunday.

“Iran was informed about Baghdadi’s death by Syrian officials who got it from the field,” one of the officials said.

Reuters was also told by Iraqi security sources that Baghdadi had been killed.

“Our sources from inside Syria have confirmed to the Iraqi intelligence team tasked with pursuing Baghdadi that he has been killed alongside his personal bodyguard in Idlib, after his hiding place was discovered when he tried to get his family out of Idlib towards the Turkish border,” one of the sources told Reuters.

Read more about it  here.


Trump will make  statement at 9 am Washington time (13:00 GMT), might even be true since White House spokesman announced it as " major statement".

edit: from CNN

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is believed to have detonated a suicide vest during a raid conducted by the US military in northwest Syria on Saturday, according to a senior US defense official

Such a great news for the affected regions and their people that the evil is finally dead. USA did good job with operation "Kayla" but sad for the dog. If you notice Trump's speech after the encounter, he mentions two words strongly in his speech " Dog" and "Coward". This was surely to entice extremist as they hate these two words the most. 

[PrimeNumber7]

~snip~

It was irresponsible for the Guardian to release the name of the Dog because it could potentially reveal the name of some of the soldiers who are still in combat zones in the area and endanger their lives. I don’t think the dogs name is newsworthy enough to do this.

And Trump already revealed the name of the hero dog.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-dog-medal-conan-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-isis-photograph-military/

The funny part of the photo he tweeted was edited, look at the photo on the article. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/30/trump-latest-news-tweet-dog-isis

Trump revealed the name of the dog days after it was revealed by the media, and after intervening things may have happened that would mean the military unit's lives will not be at risk because the dog's identity is known.

The name of the dog is not newsworthy enough to leak classified information.

[Mometaskers]

Few weeks in, seems he really is dead, especially if the suicide vest story was true. Or at least heavily injured if not. Whether you believe ISIS are authentic terrorists or not, what we can be almost sure is that this is not over yet.

Cut off one head, two grows back.

Such a great news for the affected regions and their people that the evil is finally dead. USA did good job with operation "Kayla" but sad for the dog. If you notice Trump's speech after the encounter, he mentions two words strongly in his speech " Dog" and "Coward". This was surely to entice extremist as they hate these two words the most. 

It's funny that people who hate dogs stink worse than a dog unwashed for a week.

[Naida_BR]

Few weeks in, seems he really is dead, especially if the suicide vest story was true. Or at least heavily injured if not. Whether you believe ISIS are authentic terrorists or not, what we can be almost sure is that this is not over yet.

Do we have a confirmation from ISIS side?
I want to see something like that in order to believe that he is really dead. I mean they haven't refused the Trump allegations but they haven't confirmed al-Baghdadi's dead as well.

[PrimeNumber7]

Few weeks in, seems he really is dead, especially if the suicide vest story was true. Or at least heavily injured if not. Whether you believe ISIS are authentic terrorists or not, what we can be almost sure is that this is not over yet.

Do we have a confirmation from ISIS side?
I want to see something like that in order to believe that he is really dead. I mean they haven't refused the Trump allegations but they haven't confirmed al-Baghdadi's dead as well.

Why else would there be a new leader immediately after the US claims to have killed Baghdadi? I believe there were also reports that known ISIS social media channels were sharing condolences after he was killed; I have zero interest in reading ISIS propaganda, or otherwise reading anything any of them says, so I haven't been able to personally verify this.

[Naida_BR]

Few weeks in, seems he really is dead, especially if the suicide vest story was true. Or at least heavily injured if not. Whether you believe ISIS are authentic terrorists or not, what we can be almost sure is that this is not over yet.

Do we have a confirmation from ISIS side?
I want to see something like that in order to believe that he is really dead. I mean they haven't refused the Trump allegations but they haven't confirmed al-Baghdadi's dead as well.

Why else would there be a new leader immediately after the US claims to have killed Baghdadi? I believe there were also reports that known ISIS social media channels were sharing condolences after he was killed; I have zero interest in reading ISIS propaganda, or otherwise reading anything any of them says, so I haven't been able to personally verify this.

Even if it is propaganda or a manifesto we have to read what both sides say about that. Otherwise, you will have only an one-sided opinion.
And on the other hand, why wouldn't you say that US is doing propaganda as they say that they killed him? It is the same thing you are saying for ISIS.
(I don't support ISIS, i just want to hear both sides)

[BADecker]

^^^ Both sides don't matter in the least. What they have to say isn't part of what is really going on except by accident. Click the link and go to the site and read more.


CIA Death Squads Operate Globally

by Stephen Lendman (stephenlendman.org - Home - Stephen Lendman)

The late Chalmers Johnson, a CIA consultant from 1967 - 1973, called for Langley's abolition, stressing that democracy and the agency's existence are incompatible.

Along with collecting and disseminating intelligence, agency operatives "perform such other functions and duties related to intelligence affecting the national security as the National Security Council may direct."

The above quote is all about the CIA's dark side, an unaccountable force unto itself, operating extrajudicially worldwide.

The late William Blum documented its involvement in assassinating foreign leaders, removing others by coup d'etats, propping up friendly despots, operating secret torture prisons, and other unlawful practices. Its agenda includes virtually every conceivable form of wrongdoing.

It tried or succeeded in toppling scores of governments worldwide, Blum saying:

"If you flip over the rock of American foreign policy (throughout) the past century, this is what crawls out: invasions, bombings, (subversion), overthrowing governments, suppressing (popular) movements for social change, assassinating political leaders, perverting elections, manipulating labor unions, manufacturing 'news,' death squads, torture, (chemical), biological (and nuclear) warfare, (radiological contamination), drug trafficking, mercenaries," police state repression, and endless wars on humanity.

From 1968 – 1973 in Southeast Asia, the CIA ran or was involved in the Phoenix Program with US Special Forces and its own Military Assistance Command Vietnam-Special Operations Group (MACV-SOG).

[Naida_BR]

^^ I don't believe Americans as well. I am just saying that a confrmation of his death needs to be confirmed from both sides.
The US claims that his body turned into pieces after the explosion. However, they manage to throw him in the sea. Not any evidence about that. How about being alive and recruited by the CIA in order to learn top secrets? Have you ever thought about that?

[notbatman]

Tinfoil hat time!



Dog in the park, pizza in the parlour and dadi on the roof.

[Spendulus]

^^ I don't believe Americans as well. I am just saying that a confrmation of his death needs to be confirmed from both sides.
The US claims that his body turned into pieces after the explosion. However, they manage to throw him in the sea. Not any evidence about that. How about being alive and recruited by the CIA in order to learn top secrets? Have you ever thought about that?

All the king's horses and all the King's men,

Couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again!

[Mometaskers]

Few weeks in, seems he really is dead, especially if the suicide vest story was true. Or at least heavily injured if not. Whether you believe ISIS are authentic terrorists or not, what we can be almost sure is that this is not over yet.

Do we have a confirmation from ISIS side?
I want to see something like that in order to believe that he is really dead. I mean they haven't refused the Trump allegations but they haven't confirmed al-Baghdadi's dead as well.

I don't follow them so I don't know if they've already confirmed it but from what I observed from groups like this, they are usually slow to confirm deaths compared to how quick they are to take credit for attacks.

Though groups like this usually have an appointed successor, there often are some struggles between factions after the figurehead dies.

[Sahyadri]

If this news is confirmed, it would be really great news for the whole region.
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is spiritual leader and founder of ISIS.
Without him, I don't think ISIS will have strength to recover and start their terror again.

Don't forget there's someone always ready and available to take his place supposedly this news is correct (which probably is). The second in command will take over his position and then continue from where he stopped. IS has out grown a one man terrorist group, kiling the leader won't have much effect since he can easily be replaced also if I'm not mistaken Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi wasn't a very public individual, he doesn't come out openly often like others terrorist leaders do.

Not much of an achievement here, IS as a terrorist group hasn't been defeated. This is just a distraction for 2020 general election. Trump just been Trump with his tweet "something very big has just happened" trying to overhyped the situation for his benefit.

You are right and I do agree with you that IS has now evolved out from one man terrorist group. In fact, the day Baghdadi was killed ISIS broadcast ed a propaganda video confirming their new leader. The new in charge was supposedly right man of Bin Laden and has also spent time with Baghdadi in jail. Nevertheless, I congratulate all for such a great news. Such extremist do deserve such execution.

[Spendulus]

If this news is confirmed, it would be really great news for the whole region.
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is spiritual leader and founder of ISIS.
Without him, I don't think ISIS will have strength to recover and start their terror again.

Don't forget there's someone always ready and available to take his place supposedly this news is correct (which probably is). The second in command will take over his position and then continue from where he stopped. IS has out grown a one man terrorist group, kiling the leader won't have much effect since he can easily be replaced also if I'm not mistaken Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi wasn't a very public individual, he doesn't come out openly often like others terrorist leaders do.

Not much of an achievement here, IS as a terrorist group hasn't been defeated. This is just a distraction for 2020 general election. Trump just been Trump with his tweet "something very big has just happened" trying to overhyped the situation for his benefit.

You are right and I do agree with you that IS has now evolved out from one man terrorist group. In fact, the day Baghdadi was killed ISIS broadcast ed a propaganda video confirming their new leader. The new in charge was supposedly right man of Bin Laden and has also spent time with Baghdadi in jail. Nevertheless, I congratulate all for such a great news. Such extremist do deserve such execution.

Because Islam is worldwide, Islamic extremism is worldwide. At any time there are well in excess of a hundred serious Islamic extremist groups performing terrorist acts. Only a very few of these get much publicity.

Regardless, I applaud the death of this man because of the many atrocities he personally was known responsible for.

[Rmcdermott927]

I’m glad he is dead, I just hope the doggie that helped get him is ok.  Good job delta force and wishing a speedy recovery for the doggo. 

[Spendulus]

I’m glad he is dead, I just hope the doggie that helped get him is ok.  Good job delta force and wishing a speedy recovery for the doggo. 

Agreed.

I suspect it's a huge disgrace in the Muslim World to be outfought by a dog. Dogs are considered dirty and nasty, I understand.

[tvbcof]

All the king's horses and all the King's men,

Couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again!

Humpty al-Bagdumpty, he wears a yarmulke.
  Humpty al-Bagdumpty, he celebrates Hanukkah.

All the Trump's horse and all the Trump's men,
  will probably put Humpty al-Bagdumpty back together again.
    _{...for his 8th or 9th 'death'.}