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My S17 is scheduled to ship in the next couple weeks, so I just sent in a request for refund via Support ticket since checking my account info isn't showing any coupons or credits or.... Should be close to $800 which isn't insignificant. We'll see where this goes. Fingers crossed!
use thread when asking. please keep us informed. put you on the list as fighting for refund/credit.
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December 10, 2019, 10:13:30 PM Last edit: December 11, 2019, 02:39:48 AM by frodocooper |
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Another T17e shipped today, ordered in September. They did not adjust the invoice for the second time (apart from what they did initially), price on invoice still $1133 plus shipping. Tax $350 to US.
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December 11, 2019, 02:16:41 PM |
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Round 1: I received the same response as many here from Chita stating that a USD credit will be waiting for me to use on my next order. I politely said I'm not sure when I'll be purchasing another miner (probably sooner than later tho... ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) ) and requested BTC refund instead.
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I don't believe in superstition because it's bad luck: 13thF1oor6CAwyzyxXPNnRvu3nhhYeqZdc These aren't the Droids you're looking for: S5 & S7 (Sold), R4B2, R4B4 (RIP), 2x S9 obsolete, 2xS15-28, S17-56, S17-70 Pushing a whopping 1/5 PH! Oh The SPEED!!!
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December 11, 2019, 05:00:57 PM |
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Another T17e shipped today, ordered in September. They did not adjust the invoice for the second time (apart from what they did initially), price on invoice still $1133 plus shipping. Tax $350 to US.
That sucks. On mine they updated the price. With coupon I used and price change, it was under de-minimis and I paid no duty or tariff.
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December 13, 2019, 02:20:05 PM Last edit: December 14, 2019, 10:48:30 AM by frodocooper |
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Thanks to xxxABJxxx From the s17 thread a new issue for buyers of the t17+ simply looks like it is shitty gear. note the email is asking to: kill off my paypal order and reorder. I rejected their offer.Yeah they sent me an email at 4am I woke at 8 am and answered it which is 8pm friday on their time which means no action until monday. I won"t do what they want. Give me some time to show letter and my reply Here's a reminder of what your ticket was about: Carol (Bitmain) Dec 13, 15:48 CST
Dear Carol,
We’re terribly sorry to inform you that stock of T17+ 64T in your order ID 0012019102xxxxxx is insufficient.
Now we trying to solve the issue by offering product update from T17+ 64T to T17+ 58T. If you agree with the solution, please kindly help reply to this email for confirmation as soon as possible, and then we will send you a special link to place a new T17+ 58T order immediately. Please also take note that USD shall be chosen as the payment mode of your new T17+ order.
Additionally, the price of one unit 58T T17+, 11-20,Dec. batch is $1203. The price difference of T17+ 64T and T17+ 58T be remained as balance under your account, for the specific usage rule of balance. Please feel free to contact us, we will guide you accordingly.
Regards, Bitmain
my reply Re: philipma1957, you’re invited to let us know how we can do better【BITMAIN - Ticket ID 59xxxxx 】 Dec 13 at 8:11 AM
PHILIP Axxxxxx <philipaxxxxxx @ yahoo . com> To: Bitmain <support+id5xxxxx @ bitmainhelp . zendesk.com> Cc: Philip Axxxxxx <philipaxxxxxx @ yahoo . com>
Dear Carol ,
If I accept the 58th T17+ unit at 1203 usd + 127 shipping for a cost of 1330 I had paid you 1355 and used a 375 coupon this comes to:
1730 old order 1330 new order 400 dollar balance on my account
I paid you in paypal not USD. I do not have the ability to pay you in USD. I do not have a bank that sends USD to China. So I am not sure your idea works for me.
I really wish you had contacted me sooner than 4am Eastern standard time I am answering you at 8AM eastern standard time. Which is 8pm your time So most likely you won't get to this as your work day has ended.
So to confirm what you want to do is send me a 58th machine and give me a credit changing my payment to USD. The answer is no this not acceptable.
This is a paypal order a USD order does not offer me the protection of a paypal order. So I am not altering the deal. Since I lose my paypal rights if I do. I see it this way I paid you 1354.95 cash and used a 375 coupon that is 1729.95 usd. If you can not give me a t17+ with proper speed of 64th and want to send a 58th machine I would accept the machine and a 400 dollar refund to my paypal order. This way the order stays as paypal which offers me six months protection. I also get a proper discount of 400 as a direct refund to my paypal order.
Your company is running a business my mining is served by your company. I have paid you well over 150,000 for gear since 2013. I also am an honest person and give your company fair reviews. So I ask you to simply refund this paypal order 400 usd and send the 58th machine.
Please get back to me and let me know if you can do this.
Best regards,
Philip
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December 13, 2019, 03:02:00 PM |
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man they are getting complicated as hell....
as big as they are - refunds/credits should be much easier accomplished. I am now at 22 days since they stated they would issue refund and I am still waiting.
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December 13, 2019, 03:43:15 PM |
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Holy hell !! I have one T17+ due for shipping 11-20 January. I damn hope I will not get this kind of email, especially since I can neither use PayPal nor USD wire... They would have to reimburse me in BTC and we all know by know how long that process is and what a hassle it is.
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December 13, 2019, 03:51:18 PM Last edit: December 14, 2019, 10:49:41 AM by frodocooper |
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Holy hell !! I have one T17+ due for shipping 11-20 January. I damn hope I will not get this kind of email, especially since I can neither use PayPal nor USD wire... They would have to reimburse me in BTC and we all know by know how long that process is and what a hassle it is.
yeah it is a freaking mess. At the moment I have 1) the t17+ status in limbo as shown above. 2) the t17 status okay and a paypal order due dec 21-31 3) the heavy discount s17 pro due early Jan paid in btc. Just remember these are all stalling tactics they use to hundreds of customers. Stick to it over and over and over. Polite persistent professional emails over and over and over is the way to go.
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December 13, 2019, 06:16:24 PM |
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If it was me, I'd go for the S17-Pro 53TH in January and get a credit on my account, or paypal balance.
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December 13, 2019, 07:37:52 PM Last edit: December 14, 2019, 10:50:08 AM by frodocooper |
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Well since they sent email at 4am EST time and I answered it 8am EST time
it means they sent it at 4pm on a friday in China got my reply at 8pm on a Friday in China
Sooooo that is a delay in reply until 4am on monday in New Jersey which is 4pm on monday in China.
They will hope I don't answer their replay and I will be delayed until 4am tuesday morning.
See where we are going.
The problem is I have over 30,000 in paypal paid for gear I have six months to pay and their delay tactics won't really work well for them in my case.
Well I will have a dozen emails to go to fix this one. Wish me luck.
BTW I will tell them to send me a s17 pro in January as you suggest.
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December 13, 2019, 11:52:00 PM |
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purely anecdotally, S17, S17pro (even more so) and even T17 are locking up in colder temperatures, maybe a thing to consider if you are using ambient air and are in the Northern hemisphere. I am done ordering and unlikely to resume, unless they give me a huge discount.
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December 14, 2019, 04:46:48 AM |
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purely anecdotally, S17, S17pro (even more so) and even T17 are locking up in colder temperatures, maybe a thing to consider if you are using ambient air and are in the Northern hemisphere. I am done ordering and unlikely to resume, unless they give me a huge discount.
what do you consider colder temperature? I have had ambient temps drop to 40F and had no issues with my T17s so far - knock on wood.
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December 14, 2019, 10:28:59 AM Last edit: December 14, 2019, 10:50:36 AM by frodocooper |
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what do you consider colder temperature? I have had ambient temps drop to 40F and had no issues with my T17s so far - knock on wood.
I am in a same boat as you. S17 Pro, S17e and T17e all working at around 5C which is around 40F.
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December 14, 2019, 10:43:10 AM Last edit: December 14, 2019, 10:51:02 AM by frodocooper |
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I know what he is talking about, we are talking about -5 and below. I'm seeing the same problems, probably at the same location. 2019-12-13 13:53:24 driver-btm-api.c:243:check_bringup_temp: Bring up temperature is -12 2019-12-13 13:53:24 driver-btm-api.c:196:set_miner_status: ERROR_TEMP_TOO_LOW 2019-12-13 13:53:24 driver-btm-api.c:137:stop_mining: stop mining: Environment temperature is too low! 2019-12-13 13:53:24 thread.c:706:cancel_read_nonce_reg_thread: cancel thread 2019-12-13 13:53:24 driver-btm-api.c:123:killall_hashboard: ****power off hashboard****
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December 14, 2019, 01:53:15 PM |
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I know what he is talking about, we are talking about -5 and below.
I'm seeing the same problems, probably at the same location.
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I had 1 of 2 17e's drop out at -5c maybe -8c 16f is closer to -8c. These units were in the Howell solar array which is an unheated barn loft. Right now we are running 1 a1066, 1 t17e, 1 s17, 1 s17 pro and we are warm enough that they run. Back on topic no reply to my email to Carol which makes sense as it is Sat 9 pm in China and they are not working.
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December 15, 2019, 03:34:14 AM Last edit: December 16, 2019, 01:32:33 AM by frodocooper |
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I know what he is talking about, we are talking about -5 and below.
I'm seeing the same problems, probably at the same location...
ahh so super cold - gotcha.
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December 15, 2019, 04:00:42 PM Last edit: December 16, 2019, 01:33:11 AM by frodocooper |
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Just sent this in today Re: philipma1957, you’re invited to let us know how we can do better【BITMAIN - Ticket ID 59xxxx 】 Dec 15 at 10:55 AM
PHILIP Axxxxxx <philipaxxxxxx @ yahoo . com> To: Bitmain <support+id59xxxx @ bitmainhelp . zendesk . com> Cc: Philip Axxxxxx <philipaxxxxxx@ yahoo . com> Hi Carol,
It is 10:50 am in New Jersey. I figure it is 10:50 pm sunday night in China. I am following up on this issue. I checked my order and it included a 375 coupon and I paid 1355 via paypal. This comes to 1730. I am looking at what you have available rather then the t17+ 58th you want me to buy. I see you have a s17 50th that ships quickly. Cost is 1253 + 129.32 to ship comes to 1382.32 I used a 125.30 coupon for this. The order came to 1257.02 since my order for the t17 + is to be cancelled and I am due a 1730 credit I ordered the s17 today
Order ID: 00120191215xxxxx in USD for $1257.02 So I would like my 1730 credit to go for this order.
Order would cost me $0 out of pocket. and I should end up with 1730 - 1257.02 = 472.98 credit balance left over.
So to repeat I do not want your offer of a lesser t17+ at 58th I want you to place a credit against my order number.
Order ID: 00120191215xxxxx for 1 s17.
Please get back to me on this.
Best Regards
Philip Axxxxxx AKA Philipma1957 of bitcointalk
So we will see what happens I spent a 173 coupon a 10% which was 125 so the new order was 125 cheaper. I would not mind the s17 at 50th to replace the t17+ which should have been 64th. It is sunday night 11pm in china so maybe 12 hours for an answer.
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December 16, 2019, 12:18:42 PM Last edit: December 17, 2019, 01:16:53 AM by frodocooper |
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my situation almost the same as yours and was offered the T17+ 58TH for usd1203 instead of the 64TH and I took it. The previous order was canceled and credited to my balance and bitmain immediately issued usd150 coupon for that. So $1203 - 150 = $1053 and payment was made with the credits that is in my account balance.
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December 16, 2019, 03:12:08 PM Last edit: December 17, 2019, 01:17:47 AM by frodocooper |
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Latest reply came from Carol and she confirmed I will receive a refund of USD$808 in BTC within a month, and will be based on the exchange rate at the time of refund - likely waiting for BTC to have a bull run so less coinage for given $$ amount. Either way at least it's coming. Eventually. Like any miner you buy from them... ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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I don't believe in superstition because it's bad luck: 13thF1oor6CAwyzyxXPNnRvu3nhhYeqZdc These aren't the Droids you're looking for: S5 & S7 (Sold), R4B2, R4B4 (RIP), 2x S9 obsolete, 2xS15-28, S17-56, S17-70 Pushing a whopping 1/5 PH! Oh The SPEED!!!
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December 16, 2019, 07:27:55 PM Last edit: December 17, 2019, 01:17:32 AM by frodocooper |
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my situation almost the same as yours and was offered the T17+ 58TH for usd1203 instead of the 64TH and I took it. The previous order was canceled and credited to my balance and bitmain immediately issued usd150 coupon for that. So $1203 - 150 = $1053 and payment was made with the credits that is in my account balance.
Have not been replied to as of yet. It is 230 am in China I will email them in a bit asking for what they will do.
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