[OFFICIAL] P2PB2B - resolving misunderstandings

[eddie13]

Now you are suggesting he evade red trust by using multi accounts?

Anyone can buy a copper member account any time. That is completely legal.

what's the point of buying a new copper element?
What would JollyGood leave a new review again?
there is such a thing as a “agreement is more expensive than money”

p2pb2b bounty campaign manager is very concerned about red trust and mentioning it as a reason for delay. I really do not know what will Jolly do, but you can ask him yourself. I just offered a solution for that situation.

"Legal" is not a thing!!!
Making a new account does not let you escape your feedback..

What a preposterous proposition from someone supposedly trusted..

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[mosprognoz]

Making a new account does not let you escape your feedback..

I suggested that, because p2pb2b is trying to use a red tag as an excuse for the delay of their sig campaign. If that is the real reason than that is the only way out of this situation, if Jolly will not tag the account again. All I am trying to do is to convince that dudes starting a new escrowed sig campaign, but it seems to me that I'M JUST WASTING MY TIME.

What a preposterous proposition from someone supposedly trusted..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5201132.msg53074902#msg53074902

Please stop posting off topic related posts, you can be banned for that. This threat has nothing to do with your relationship with Lauda and with a freedom of speech.

[eddie13]

Making a new account does not let you escape your feedback..

I suggested that, because p2pb2b is trying to use a red tag as an excuse for the delay of their sig campaign. If that is the real reason than that is the only way out of this situation, if Jolly will not tag the account again. All I am trying to do is to convince that dudes starting a new escrowed sig campaign, but it seems to me that I'M JUST WASTING MY TIME.

What a preposterous proposition from someone supposedly trusted..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5201132.msg53074902#msg53074902

Please stop posting off topic related posts, you can be banned for that. This threat has nothing to do with your relationship with Lauda and with a freedom of speech.

That's my signature.. lol

[mosprognoz]

That's my signature.. lol

BTW. That is another good reason for a ban.

[eddie13]

That's my signature.. lol

BTW. That is another good reason for a ban.

I think you are incorrect once again sir..

[P2PB2B Bounty Manager]

I can't believe my eyes what I am reading in this thread  

First thing first, @p2pb2b

What we should do next?

Address this https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/dz4snw/i_think_p2pb2b_exchange_scammed_nearly_3000_from/f86sx19/ here. I am interested in Svitlana - Valerii  relationship and his role in Coinsbit ponzi exchange (for now).

The system automatically recognized suspicious activity. Platform security team is checking this right now.
We are very careful about it. And all suspicious transactions are automatically blocked for safety.
P2PB2B trying to secure users. The situation is already under consideration and is nearing completion.
If we are going to raise here every question that concerns the safety of users - this can last forever, these are working questions that concern every exchanger daily and P2PB2B is no exception. The bottom line is that they are all decided by the support and security service, unfortunately, not at such temp as users want, but we must do everything according to the security service regulations.



 P2PB2B is an independent self-developing exchange. The people indicated there are not familiar to me. We think that some people, maybe competitors have personal unfriendly relationships with this people and want to do harm for P2PB2B in incomprehensible way.

[mosprognoz]

That's my signature.. lol

BTW. That is another good reason for a ban.

I think you are incorrect once again sir..

Let the mods decide if someone can use a quote from another user's post as his signature. I am out of this thread till Tuesday. I hope that time will be more than enough for p2pb2b to resolve some issues, start a sig campaign and show us some credibility.

[eddie13]

The system automatically recognized suspicious activity. Platform security team is checking this right now.
We are very careful about it. And all suspicious transactions are automatically blocked for safety.

Like we haven't heard this one before...

We think that some people, maybe competitors have personal unfriendly relationships with this people and want to do harm for P2PB2B in incomprehensible way.

Ok, I don't take your accusation of interference personally.. I understand how you could think that..

The truth is, mosprognoz has done you an utter disservice consulting/representing you here because it is showing that they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about..
Their suggestions and actions on how to handle your situation are piss poor, some outright unethical, and your escrow Lauda hasn't even come to straighten it out, who I damn well know does know better..

I suggest you find a better, more educated, and unbiased consultant.. (No, not me)

[marlboroza]

 P2PB2B is an independent self-developing exchange and has nothing common with coinsbit and never had. The people indicated there are not familiar to me. We think that some people, maybe competitors have personal unfriendly relationships with this people and want to do harm for P2PB2B in incomprehensible way.

Are you suggesting that these information are not true:

Coinsbit:
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14438036-EXRT-Services-O%C3%9C
https://twitter.com/c0insbit/status/1051157909030227968

P2PB2B:
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14572266-Partida-Services-O%C3%9C

Partida Services OÜ is a company registered in the Republic of Estonia.
Our registered office is at Laki 30, 12915, Tallinn. Our website is https://p2pb2b.io.

Is it Valerii Solodovnyk https://creditreports.ee/partida-services-ou you are not familiar with or?

[BitcoiNaked]

I can't believe my eyes what I am reading in this thread  

First thing first, @p2pb2b

What we should do next?

Address this https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/dz4snw/i_think_p2pb2b_exchange_scammed_nearly_3000_from/f86sx19/ here. I am interested in Svitlana - Valerii  relationship and his role in Coinsbit ponzi exchange (for now).

The system automatically recognized suspicious activity. Platform security team is checking this right now.
We are very careful about it. And all suspicious transactions are automatically blocked for safety.
P2PB2B trying to secure users. The situation is already under consideration and is nearing completion.
If we are going to raise here every question that concerns the safety of users - this can last forever, these are working questions that concern every exchanger daily and P2PB2B is no exception. The bottom line is that they are all decided by the support and security service, unfortunately, not at such temp as users want, but we must do everything according to the security service regulations.



 P2PB2B is an independent self-developing exchange and has nothing common with coinsbit and never had. The people indicated there are not familiar to me. We think that some people, maybe competitors have personal unfriendly relationships with this people and want to do harm for P2PB2B in incomprehensible way.

I am the account holder that is trying to withdraw my XTZ for almost 2 weeks. There is NO suspicious activity, your security team are wrong or are lying!! I deposited XTZ 2 weeks ago to participate in VIAZ IEO. I exchanged XTZ to VIAZ but VIAZ IEO got cancelled and i received XTZ back in my account. But after a while i tried to withdraw and i couldn't. XTZ deposit and withdrawal was disabled. These messages to support are mine!

Support messaged me again 2 days ago and said "Dear user, we double check all the information, please reload the page and check your account" so then i tried to withdraw again and got confirmation email, i confirmed and then it linked me back to the website saying " Queueing withdraw confirmation. Wait for few seconds" now its been 2 days and i dont see my XTZ in my wallet. I have never traded on p2p and there is no suspicious activity. I have been long time in crypto, don't try to blame it on "suspicious activity". Give my XTZ back, its worth $3000 dollars!! I see it in my account but they don't let me withdraw it. A scam is happening right now here or it is a big mis understanding from p2p, proof everyone you are not a scam exchange and transfer my XTZ, thank you!

Here you can see my account with my XTZ still there! Can't believe this mess!

[JollyGood]

 P2PB2B is an independent self-developing exchange and has nothing common with coinsbit and never had. The people indicated there are not familiar to me. We think that some people, maybe competitors have personal unfriendly relationships with this people and want to do harm for P2PB2B in incomprehensible way.

Are you suggesting that these information are not true:

Coinsbit:
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14438036-EXRT-Services-O%C3%9C
https://twitter.com/c0insbit/status/1051157909030227968

P2PB2B:
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14572266-Partida-Services-O%C3%9C

Partida Services OÜ is a company registered in the Republic of Estonia.
Our registered office is at Laki 30, 12915, Tallinn. Our website is https://p2pb2b.io.

Is it Valerii Solodovnyk https://creditreports.ee/partida-services-ou you are not familiar with or?

They think people will forget their scams just because they are offering a bribe under the guise of a bounty program. I am astounded how gullible some users in this forum have become just in order to make some money by jumping on-board the bounty program.

They are trying a new approach of indirect bribing just in the hope of repairing their irreparable reputation. Their bounty program / bribe technique will be a futile attempt ending up in inevitable failure.

[aioc]

 P2PB2B is an independent self-developing exchange and has nothing common with coinsbit and never had. The people indicated there are not familiar to me. We think that some people, maybe competitors have personal unfriendly relationships with this people and want to do harm for P2PB2B in incomprehensible way.

Are you suggesting that these information are not true:

Coinsbit:
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14438036-EXRT-Services-O%C3%9C
https://twitter.com/c0insbit/status/1051157909030227968

P2PB2B:
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14572266-Partida-Services-O%C3%9C

Partida Services OÜ is a company registered in the Republic of Estonia.
Our registered office is at Laki 30, 12915, Tallinn. Our website is https://p2pb2b.io.

Is it Valerii Solodovnyk https://creditreports.ee/partida-services-ou you are not familiar with or?

They think people will forget their scams just because they are offering a bribe under the guise of a bounty program. I am astounded how gullible some users in this forum have become just in order to make some money by jumping on-board the bounty program.

They are trying a new approach of indirect bribing just in the hope of repairing their irreparable reputation. Their bounty program / bribe technique will be a futile attempt ending up in inevitable failure.

I'll definitely support you on all your investigations and findings of any project that looks dubious, but P2PB2B offers a different approach this time, they want to resolve the issue in a transparent manner, by creating this thread, looks valid and good chance for those issues, who would not have want to get the issues to resolve so let's give them a chance to resolve these issues and other those with scam accusations can follow this lead also.

[JollyGood]

More proof of this scam:

https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650

It's been said & proven many times by numerous forum members & web researchers that this is a copy paste exchange scam by Valerii Solodovnyk - anyone promoting this scam will be disappointed.

That link posted some weeks ago but is a convenient reminder about the low-life scammer from Ukraine called Valerii Solodovnyk who is behind multiple fake exchanges.

[logfiles]

Some of them do not have proofs to show at all, like this idiot that just posted without showing proof.

Don't be stupid, look at the date when i wrote the feedback and then cross-reference with the accusations i was basing on. You can also use OP to make reference before you come here commenting aimlessly.

By marking in red, you have assumed the responsibility of a judge.

It turns out that you draw conclusions based on the evidence of the prosecution, and the fact that the accused party provided you with reasoned evidence with screenshots of transactions and support dialogs is not a weighty fact for you to revision the charges.

You have a strange justice.

No, you have strange thoughts

When multiple people come out complaining about the unfairness of the exchange then it implies there is some truth to the accusations and not just a coincidence. My conclusion came as a result of multiple accusations and i said i would remove my feedback or change it to neutral if the said accusations were resolved... simple as that.


Whoever you are trying to hide behind the sockpuppet shill accounts, what you are trying to do in this thread is bringing more harm than good towards P2PB2B's efforts of trying resolve this issue.

I will leave this here for future reference

 

Last online time interval of both @ataArt  and @pilosopotasyo is just 10 minutes and are seen commenting one after the other in the thread a couple of times

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[JollyGood]

Sure, if you are happy to proceed that way then that something you have thought through but my issue remains with the scam aspect.

Just because they might in future run a scam-free bounty campaign does not make it a scam-free project because the bounty campaign is directly related to p2pb2b being promoted.

p2pb2b2 have been selective scamming users

Hmm....

I stand by that claim...

Just because a scammer runs one bounty campaign using an escrow from a member of this forum does not negate all the facts including the multiple fake exchanges and multiple sending of fake data to CMC and all the cases of selective scamming.

Reading the excuses from community members who should know better as they want to jump on-board this bounty campaign is extremely disappointing as there is no justification to promote a scam or scammer. Reading posts containing things like "other exchanges send fake data to CMC" and "other exchanges inflate their volumes" does not make it right. Anyway, not all exchanges selective scam users and not all exchanges participate in fake IEOs using fake teams and promote them aggressively since they will be the ones to pocket the cash.

Not all exchanges are run by a criminal group headed by Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk who is behind many fake exchanges.

As an example, if someone operates 100 fake exchanges stealing USD$ millions on a yearly basis but decides to operate one scam-free genuine exchange, that exchange cannot be promoted because it cannot negate his other scams. As far as p2pb2b is concerned it is not a scam-free enterprise, on the contrary it is a scam that recently claimed to be the biggest exchange in the world but their Alexa rankings show it as a complete lie  

I'll definitely support you on all your investigations and findings of any project that looks dubious, but P2PB2B offers a different approach this time, they want to resolve the issue in a transparent manner, by creating this thread, looks valid and good chance for those issues, who would not have want to get the issues to resolve so let's give them a chance to resolve these issues and other those with scam accusations can follow this lead also.

Thank you for the post.

I also would support any action of resolutions offered by p2pb2b but only after they make an admission of guilt on the following facts including but not limited to:

- they are sending fake trading volume data to CMC and will stop doing it from now onwards
- they will list all the exchanges Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk is behind
- they will pull the plug on promoting all fake IEOs taking place across all their fake exchanges
- they will list all the fake IEOs they were a part of using fake teams just to steal from investors
- they will explain in clear detail how much money they made from the JewelCoin pump and dump a couple of months ago

If they continue to multi-scam on one hand and then try to improve their reputation on the other hand, that paradox speaks for itself.

If they want to come clean and own up to their previous misdemeanours and truly want to change their ways then I will be happy to read about it but using a bounty campaign to bribe users under the guise of rehabilitation along with promises of half-hearted resolutions with the intent of dividing the community is definitely not a good way to start.

[Lauda]

I've advised OP to ask others to escrow it because I have no time to read into all of the bullshit accusations any-more. To make this worse, the selective enforcement of consequences against this exchange is clearly evident. What they're being accused of, is what most exchanges are doing themselves or of that what is happening on most exchanges. Data and metrics clearly show this, with only a couple of exchanges having near 100% real volume. Sadly, this is also done by people who have excellent track-records for busting down actual problems (whether this one turns into or or not I don't care after this post). Can't be arsed to fight with misguided good doers, nor will I teach them.
I wish OP the best if they are truly genuine in resolving all of their issues, and as well as their escrow of choosing. My rating on eddie13 is stays up until he stops posting lies and starts apologizing. Mission accomplished. Any and all false counters (wrong references, reasoning, etc.) will be countered unless theymos PMs me to withdraw the rating. As a courtesy to you, I'm not going to threaten you with consequences (similarly to how I'm being threatened here and there) for supporting a fraud and liar like eddie.
This is not the old trust system any-more. Learn and adapt and don't waste your time. Thanks.
Missed this segment:

Their is conflict of interest in your opinion of their scamminess now that you are in business with them..

I'm not in business with anyone. You are lying yet again whilst pretending to try and do good, yet again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Did you not take the position of escrow for them?

I have not ever been in business with these people, nor did I know anything about them before I was approached. I have delayed accepting it while I looked into it. Delaying accepting or rejecting is not "being in business with somebody".

[ataArt]

Some of them do not have proofs to show at all, like this idiot that just posted without showing proof.

Don't be stupid, look at the date when i wrote the feedback and then cross-reference with the accusations i was basing on. You can also use OP to make reference before you come here commenting aimlessly.

By marking in red, you have assumed the responsibility of a judge.

It turns out that you draw conclusions based on the evidence of the prosecution, and the fact that the accused party provided you with reasoned evidence with screenshots of transactions and support dialogs is not a weighty fact for you to revision the charges.

You have a strange justice.

No, you have strange thoughts

When multiple people come out complaining about the unfairness of the exchange then it implies there is some truth to the accusations and not just a coincidence. My conclusion came as a result of multiple accusations and i said i would remove my feedback or change it to neutral if the said accusations were resolved... simple as that.


Whoever you are trying to hide behind the sockpuppet shill accounts, what you are trying to do in this thread is bringing more harm than good towards P2PB2B's efforts of trying resolve this issue.

I will leave this here for future reference

 

Last online time interval of both @ataArt  and @pilosopotasyo is just 10 minutes and are seen commenting one after the other in the thread a couple of times

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- Thread Achive

I do not want to harm anyone and do good
expressed his position in this case
and about the last activity ... oh yes, you have phenomenal investigative abilities .. no offense

[pilosopotasyo]

 

Last online time interval of both @ataArt  and @pilosopotasyo is just 10 minutes and are seen commenting one after the other in the thread a couple of times

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- pilosopotasyo profile Archive
- Thread Achive

Lacks imagination how many browsers do we have, we have at least eight  browsers and people can open Bitcointalk on those browsers and login from their alt accounts simultaneously, so if we have 8 browsers and you have 8 you can log all your accounts simultaneously, why the hassle of login one by one when you can log all your accounts at one time 

[john1010]

 P2PB2B is an independent self-developing exchange and has nothing common with coinsbit and never had. The people indicated there are not familiar to me. We think that some people, maybe competitors have personal unfriendly relationships with this people and want to do harm for P2PB2B in incomprehensible way.

Are you suggesting that these information are not true:

Coinsbit:
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14438036-EXRT-Services-O%C3%9C
https://twitter.com/c0insbit/status/1051157909030227968

P2PB2B:
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14572266-Partida-Services-O%C3%9C

Partida Services OÜ is a company registered in the Republic of Estonia.
Our registered office is at Laki 30, 12915, Tallinn. Our website is https://p2pb2b.io.

Is it Valerii Solodovnyk https://creditreports.ee/partida-services-ou you are not familiar with or?

They think people will forget their scams just because they are offering a bribe under the guise of a bounty program. I am astounded how gullible some users in this forum have become just in order to make some money by jumping on-board the bounty program.

They are trying a new approach of indirect bribing just in the hope of repairing their irreparable reputation. Their bounty program / bribe technique will be a futile attempt ending up in inevitable failure.

I'll definitely support you on all your investigations and findings of any project that looks dubious, but P2PB2B offers a different approach this time, they want to resolve the issue in a transparent manner, by creating this thread, looks valid and good chance for those issues, who would not have want to get the issues to resolve so let's give them a chance to resolve these issues and other those with scam accusations can follow this lead also.

I agree with you dude, they are now offer a transparent investigation on this matter. For me let give them a chance to explain and to prove to the community that they have a credibility to run the bounty and also to show to everyone here that they might be a one of the (at least) trusted exchange. For me the best thing to resolve the issue, why not if the management give all the lost money from the accuser.   

[target]

No one yet had confirmed about the issues to be solved but this bounty manager demanded red trust to be removed before starting the campaign. He's got to be laughing while he gained support from you guys. I don't think he should bargain that because the moment he attempt to scam there will be a chance that he will be doing it again. Not to mention the IEOs being done in this exchange.