Cryptotalk campaign thread is a mirror echo of the yobit thread...

[JaredKaragen]

Sooo...  This time it didnt take 300 pages of posts for the cryptotalk campaign thread to explode and get locked in the same exact manner as the yobit one.

Same group's campaign, same results.


I am sure there will be comments here on both sides of the field... but honestly, after everything....   I think they need to meet their end...  at least here.

Im seeing the same sigs yabbering back and forth about the topic... and... many times, the replies have already been said and restated yet it perpetuates.


Anyone in on an idea on how we can get to the core of who controls yobit and ultimately bring some transparency to a very shady company?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Sooo...  This time it didnt take 300 pages of posts for the cryptotalk campaign thread to explode and get locked in the same exact manner as the yobit one.

Say what?  You ought to elaborate a little bit on this, as not everyone follows whatever thread you're talking about.  I've got the Services section on ignore so I don't see any campaign threads anymore.

Anyone in on an idea on how we can get to the core of who controls yobit and ultimately bring some transparency to a very shady company?

Ooooh, I would love this.  For a long time I've been dying to know who runs Yobit and what their offices look like, if they even have offices.  I've always had an image of a couple of unkempt Russians with about three laptops running the exchange.  And never have I heard any details about what their operation is really like.  They're about the least transparent exchange in existence, and it blows my mind that they've been operating so long and either haven't failed or haven't pulled an exit scam. 

I'm no internet detective, but I do believe there are some good ones here on bitcointalk.  I'd love it if somebody dug up all their secrets and shone a bright light on what Yobit is really all about.  It can't be an impossible task.

[hacker1001101001]

Sooo...  This time it didnt take 300 pages of posts for the cryptotalk campaign thread to explode and get locked in the same exact manner as the yobit one.

Say what?  You ought to elaborate a little bit on this, as not everyone follows whatever thread you're talking about.  I've got the Services section on ignore so I don't see any campaign threads anymore.

I think he meant 30 pages not 300 and was linking to this thread :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.0

Anyone in on an idea on how we can get to the core of who controls yobit and ultimately bring some transparency to a very shady company?

They are just enjoying there security and rich life in Russia, there are even news of Russian government supporting its operation. So people like Pavel Krymov are already arrested under this exchange name but its still operating due to it's strong base in Russia.

[JaredKaragen]

I think he meant 30 pages not 300 and was linking to this thread :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.0

That is the CryptoTalk thread that fell apart... 30 pages...  And Cryptotalk == Yobit


This link is the Yobit thread from before.   Start at the end and just go backwards.... you'll see it.

Ooooh, I would love this.  For a long time I've been dying to know who runs Yobit and what their offices look like, if they even have offices.  I've always had an image of a couple of unkempt Russians with about three laptops running the exchange.  And never have I heard any details about what their operation is really like.  They're about the least transparent exchange in existence, and it blows my mind that they've been operating so long and either haven't failed or haven't pulled an exit scam. 

I'm no internet detective, but I do believe there are some good ones here on bitcointalk.  I'd love it if somebody dug up all their secrets and shone a bright light on what Yobit is really all about.  It can't be an impossible task.

For reals.   Sadly.... I am kind of at a loss for tracking it down myself.... but members here have had contact from people inside yobit, and thus, maybe some correlations of internet data could be made....   would take a lot of work though.

For a business that deals in as much volume as their site claims....   I can't believe the money and people are untraceable.....

[DireWolfM14]

Same group's campaign, same results.

I beg to differ.  Sure there have been a ton of shitposting spammers wearing the signature, but this time around the spam has been dramatically reduced.  Yahoo62278 has been doing a remarkable job finding and banning the most egregious offenders.  He's not going to detect them all, which is why he's been accepting help from the community.  If you see someone spamming to spike their post count for their Yobit signature, report them to Yahoo62278, or use the report to mod link, or preferably both.

All in all, this time around it's been a far cry from the level of spam we saw earlier this year.  

Anyone in on an idea on how we can get to the core of who controls yobit and ultimately bring some transparency to a very shady company?

If anyone knows, they aren't talking.  Keeping yourself anonymous on the internet is a pretty difficult task, but not impossible.  It takes some skill and understanding, and apparently the folks behind Yobit have done pretty decent job of it so far, so they must know what they're doing.  For most of us it's pretty hard to track down someone who's that skilled at keeping themselves anonymous.  They haven't pulled an exit scam, so there hasn't been much motivation or effort put into investigating the owners' identities.  

[hacker1001101001]

I think he meant 30 pages not 300 and was linking to this thread :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.0

That is the CryptoTalk thread that fell apart... 30 pages...  And Cryptotalk == Yobit


This link is the Yobit thread from before.   Start at the end and just go backwards.... you'll see it.

Got it, its just they repromoted themself under different name. I am too surprised this one didn't blast up that long.

[JaredKaragen]

Same group's campaign, same results.

I beg to differ.  Sure there have been a ton of shitposting spammers wearing the signature, but this time around the spam has been dramatically reduced.  Yahoo62278 has been doing a remarkable job finding and banning the most egregious offenders.  He's not going to detect them all, which is why he's been accepting help from the community.  If you see someone spamming to spike their post count for their Yobit signature, report them to Yahoo62278, or use the report to mod link, or preferably both.

All in all, this time around it's been a far cry from the level of spam we saw earlier this year.  

Anyone in on an idea on how we can get to the core of who controls yobit and ultimately bring some transparency to a very shady company?

If anyone knows, they aren't talking.  Keeping yourself anonymous on the internet is a pretty difficult task, but not impossible.  It takes some skill and understanding, and apparently the folks behind Yobit have done pretty decent job of it so far, so they must know what they're doing.  For most of us it's pretty hard to track down someone who's that skilled at keeping themselves anonymous.  They haven't pulled an exit scam, so there hasn't been much motivation or effort put into investigating the owners' identities.  

Well, this is about yobit in general, and not at all about how the managers handled the campaigns.  They do what they can, and probably do exactly what they are paid to do.

The problem is from what I gather, bitcointalk requires a campaign manager to be exactly that.  A campaign manager.

In yobit's case, they manage the campaign and pre-pay a person to simply be a 'public interface'.  Im curious how much they paid yahoo.... just curiosity... nothing meant by it personally....   to be clear, this is all about yobit and how shady they are.... and the aura that hovers around them.

[friends1980]

A while ago, I opened a little thread titled "Shouldn't bounty managers clean up spam posts in their thread?".

I think this is exactly what bounty manager yahoo62278 has been doing in this campaign, as a self-declared quality checker. If they'd all work like him, the number of spam posts would be decimated.

If people are indeed keeping a thread alive for sig bounty reasons, I'd suggest you to report them to yahoo62278 and report them to the mods as well.

[hd49728]

Same group's campaign, same results.

There are so many totally different things between Yobit campaign and Cryptotalk campaign. I don't understand why you said they are the same.

The first one is with Cryptotalk, Yobit (official account) announced that they run the campaign, not like running by their site, without any announcement (from official account) in the forum.

The second one is Yobit (which is the company stays behind and run the Cryptotalk campaign) already listened to complaints from community, very fastly response to send request to yahoo and chose him as their manager.

The third one is many accounts listed in banned (in that campaign only), maybe hundreds, by yahoo. It is another good thing because it reduced spam massively.

The fourth one is they restricted allowed ranks to Senior Member and above only, not includes Full Member rank. It is another thing to help reduce spam.

The fifth one is weeks ago, the campaign reduced daily post cap to only 5 (from the initial one at 20).

I can not say I don't see any difference, honestly.

[JaredKaragen]

A while ago, I opened a little thread titled "Shouldn't bounty managers clean up spam posts in their thread?".

I think this is exactly what bounty manager yahoo62278 has been doing in this campaign, as a self-declared quality checker. If they'd all work like him, the number of spam posts would be decimated.

If people are indeed keeping a thread alive for sig bounty reasons, I'd suggest you to report them to yahoo62278 and report them to the mods as well.

The whole reason the threads linked were closed is because of lack of payment, and no actual guarantee of payment in a rational/steady schedule.  This creates massive problems, and a whole pile of spam over something that should not be an issue.

What happened to me in the past was a degredation from payments anytime, to the account being topped up each month, to them getting longer and longer between with one payment being nearly one year after the previous one.

I already know the campaigns posters now are being cleaned up compared to before.... as ill repeat:  the campaign manager (yahoo) is not in question.... hasn't been....   If I were complaining about spam, this thread would have a completely different content.

Spam is a byproduct of them having a signature campaign as described just above.

See what I am talking about now?  Them simply having the campaign is causing spam.  The irony.

[friends1980]

A while ago, I opened a little thread titled "Shouldn't bounty managers clean up spam posts in their thread?".

I think this is exactly what bounty manager yahoo62278 has been doing in this campaign, as a self-declared quality checker. If they'd all work like him, the number of spam posts would be decimated.

If people are indeed keeping a thread alive for sig bounty reasons, I'd suggest you to report them to yahoo62278 and report them to the mods as well.

The whole reason the threads linked were closed is because of lack of payment, and no actual guarantee of payment in a rational/steady schedule.  This creates massive problems, and a whole pile of spam over something that should not be an issue.

What happened to me in the past was a degredation from payments anytime, to the account being topped up each month, to them getting longer and longer between with one payment being nearly one year after the previous one.

I already know the campaigns posters now are being cleaned up compared to before.... as ill repeat:  the campaign manager (yahoo) is not in question.... hasn't been....   If I were complaining about spam, this thread would have a completely different content.

Spam is a byproduct of them having a signature campaign as described just above.

See what I am talking about now?  Them simply having the campaign is causing spam.  The irony.

Indeed I see. I have no previous experience with Yobit whatsoever. Let's see how they will handle this. I'm not going to judge Yobit or the Cryptotalk campaign based on a few days of payment delay. Since I don't check these things daily, I actually didn't know there were any issues going on. But if things get out of hand, I'll be the first one to pay my respect for your point of view.

[JaredKaragen]

my prediction is it may be a short delay until the payout wallet is filled (1 month or so total)...  but it will happen again.  
And the delay will increase....   maybe not the first time, but once the delay increases for the first time, it is almost certain to get longer thereafter.

This is just a prediction.

[Lucius]

What happened to me in the past was a degredation from payments anytime, to the account being topped up each month, to them getting longer and longer between with one payment being nearly one year after the previous one.

I can also write about this problem from the perspective of someone who was a participant of the old YoBit signature campaign. The lack of funds was the reason why I quit this campaign (like many others) because the payments became random and only a few were able to get paid for their work.

What is now happening is actually identical situation (at least as regards the payment), and they seem to have the same exit strategy. Wallet will probably be refilled from time to time, but not to the extent that it satisfies all existing users (last time I checked there were almost 600 active participants), and some of them will just remove signature.

Quantity instead of quality is not sustainable in the long run, I think most can agree with that.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

What is now happening is actually identical situation (at least as regards the payment), and they seem to have the same exit strategy. Wallet will probably be refilled from time to time, but not to the extent that it satisfies all existing users (last time I checked there were almost 600 active participants), and some of them will just remove signature.

600 participants?!  Holy crap, I didn't realize there were that many but then again I never checked--and I'm not sure even where to check.

But like you, I remember how the old Yobit campaign was and I do remember they had "problems" filling up their wallet to pay their campaign participants, but unlike what others have written I don't recall Yobit going months without doing it.  But I wasn't in it when they finally shut it down, so that could have been toward the end of the campaign.  Either way, Yobit is being irresponsible right now and that's a pattern for them, not only in paying the members in their campaign but not addressing their customers' issues and in general offering ludicrously horrible customer service.

my prediction is it may be a short delay until the payout wallet is filled (1 month or so total)...  but it will happen again.  

One month is ridiculous when they've promised to pay everyone within hours of posting.  That's always been their terms.  They expect everyone else to abide by their rules, and yet they don't hold themselves to their own standards.  Nice, eh?

Edit:

suchmoon is posting their statistics from time to time, and last time the total number of participants was 582 - 21 November.

Ah, thank you.  That's the thread I remember seeing.

[Findingnemo]

I think he meant 30 pages not 300 and was linking to this thread :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.0

That is the CryptoTalk thread that fell apart... 30 pages...  And Cryptotalk == Yobit


This link is the Yobit thread from before.   Start at the end and just go backwards.... you'll see it.

Got it, its just they repromoted themself under different name. I am too surprised this one didn't blast up that long.

Not really because if they wanted they can open a campaign for yobit not for cryptotalk since theymos banned them temporarily for 60 days (correct me if I am wrong) so there is no restrictions for yobit.net in profile signatures currently.

[Lucius]

600 participants?!  Holy crap, I didn't realize there were that many but then again I never checked--and I'm not sure even where to check.

suchmoon is posting their statistics from time to time, and last time the total number of participants was 582 - 21 November. As can be seen, their numbers are constantly increasing, albeit at a much slower rate than before.
yahoo62278 is also banned many of them, at first glance it's probably a few hundred banned.

[Welsh]

There a select few of users in that campaign which post quality content, but the majority seem to be willing to sell their souls for a little bit of cash. You've got users advertising their service, but at the same time calling it a scam. There was heavy debate about this in the initial days of the signature campaign. However, their advertisement model might not be sustainable in the future, but in the short term their advertisement has definitely worked. Most of this forum now know of their 'service' due to the massive amount of hype, and controversy their platform caused.

As for the participants that have raked in the cash on this, I think most managers have likely noted down their usernames, and will not have them in their campaigns in the future. The amount of accounts that woke up suddenly could probably be investigated for alternate accounts  if they try, and apply for the same signature campaign in the future.

Having said that it definitely isn't on the scale of spam that it was before, and they did make a step in the right direction by contacting Yahoo, and props to Yahoo for accepting a risky job if they've previously been known not to payout in the past. Although, I didn't keep up with the campaign in that much detail to confirm that.

[yahoo62278]

The whole reason the threads linked were closed is because of lack of payment, and no actual guarantee of payment in a rational/steady schedule.  This creates massive problems, and a whole pile of spam over something that should not be an issue.

The thread was actually locked by me to control the spam being posted in it by participants. Admins have been messaged twice now about payments and their wallet being filled.

No response so far. Participants are free to leave if they fear not being paid. I wish I could guarantee the payments but I have 0 control over it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188200.0 Here is the list of banned participants. 472 and counting. Quite a few of these users will be on the blacklist as well.

[Welsh]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188200.0 Here is the list of banned participants. 472 and counting. Quite a few of these users will be on the blacklist as well.

Great job on keeping that up to date in the public eye as well. Hopefully, other managers are updating their own personal blacklists by checking each, and every account on that list. I've been against the "standard" blacklists in the past because a lot of it is subjective, but if each manager can maintain their own blacklist, and review others without blindly just adding usernames to their own lists I think we'll see a general improvement in signature campaigns in the long term.

[stompix]

There are so many totally different things between Yobit campaign and Cryptotalk campaign. I don't understand why you said they are the same.
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The third one is many accounts listed in banned (in that campaign only), maybe hundreds, by yahoo. It is another good thing because it reduced spam massively.
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I can not say I don't see any difference, honestly.

Common, the only real difference is this time they hired a person who can and is banning the spammers, and if they didn't they would probably have already closed shop with 5000 extra posts to pay every day. The other differences are like saying that although it looks like a duck, swims like a duck,  quacks like a duck and carries a duck id card it's not a duck because you saw a goose yesterday.

Ooooh, I would love this.  For a long time I've been dying to know who runs Yobit and what their offices look like, if they even have offices.  I've always had an image of a couple of unkempt Russians with about three laptops running the exchange.  

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the other way around and they have a nice office with a beautiful view on Lubyanka Square.
After what happened to wex, you never know.

Here is the list of banned participants. 472 and counting. Quite a few of these users will be on the blacklist as well.

This is starting to look like a honeypot operation.