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[AdolfinWolf]

I dont understand your point here ... you are speaking on behalf of almost negligible amount of people who is dumb enough to put a wrong address and expect to get their funds ?

so you go to ebay and buy stuff and put a wrong address and you blame ebay for sending the item to the wrong address ?? be sensible
your argument is immature

See, this is especially ironic considering that, if you enter an invalid postal code or adress, most reputable sites will mention that it is invalid.

Something you specifically refrain from doing. (Despite it costing less than 10 minutes to implement).

Also, the argument was never about a wrong adress- it was about an INVALID adress. "Ebay" won't keep your money if you entered an invalid shipping adress, while at the same time not sending anything out....

its actually simple, you enter the correct address and you get your funds mixed in a secured manner, if you enter a wrong address, we cant trackback your correct address. We are in the mixing business not in mind reading business , we cant read your mind if you put a wrong address and expect us to magically know your right address.

... You (purposefully) don't get what he said?..  ...You can always say that, whether the adress was right or wrong.

 "Oops, you pasted your adress wrong, the money is ours now!"  
-- Adding another unnecessary factor of trust.

I already know what your reply to this is going to be: "Muh M2POPOCPO code" - Yeah, you only store that for 24H, and the customer has another hoop to jump through, while he still doesn't know whether you're being malicious, or if it's actually their own fault. -- That also didn't work last time, right? The code was already deleted when you found out 106$ was stuck.

If you have the best intentions for your customers, i really, really don't understand why you're being so stubborn about trivial things such as this.

[Atobmixer]

I dont understand your point here ... you are speaking on behalf of almost negligible amount of people who is dumb enough to put a wrong address and expect to get their funds ?

so you go to ebay and buy stuff and put a wrong address and you blame ebay for sending the item to the wrong address ?? be sensible
your argument is immature

See, this is especially ironic considering that, if you enter a wrong postal code or adress, most reputable sites will mention that it is invalid.

Something you specifically refrain from doing. (Despite it costing less than 10 minutes to implement).

its actually simple, you enter the correct address and you get your funds mixed in a secured manner, if you enter a wrong address, we cant trackback your correct address. We are in the mixing business not in mind reading business , we cant read your mind if you put a wrong address and expect us to magically know your right address.

... You (purposefully) don't get what he said?..  ...You can always say that, whether the adress was right or wrong.

 "Oops, you pasted your adress wrong, the money is ours now!" 
-- Adding another unnecessary factor of trust.

We have confirmed that clearly in the past , if wrong address is entered , the money becomes ours

Users are advised to check their address before mixing.

Its users responsibility to ensure the address is correct.

If correct address is entered, then the mixing is done in a proper safe manner and logs are deleted after mixing.
We are the only mixer uses MP2C system where since we have so much of funds, the receiving pool and sending pool is totally different, we receive from one pool and send from a totally different pool.

ATOBMIXER ADMIN

[jasmine_crypto]

Stop it Choong, stop replying them and wasting your time, concentrate on bringing down Chipmixer just like how they brought you down with allegations, Chipmixer is actually operated by FBI? Work along this line and in 3 months, they are finished

[Atobmixer]

Stop it Choong, stop replying them and wasting your time, concentrate on bringing down Chipmixer just like how they brought you down with allegations, Chipmixer is actually operated by FBI? Work along this line and in 3 months, they are finished

Haizzzzz, i hate doing this kinddda stuff but left us with no choice, they stepped on the wrong shoe i guess. allegations over allegations...
what goes around comes around i guess. I will have to mirror their style just on a bigger global scale

[marlboroza]

I'll highlight important parts.

If they enter a wrong address its our money, lemme put that in capital, IF CUSTOMER WRONGLY INPUT THE ADDRESS, THE MONEY IS OURS. We have a big notice for customers to ensure the address is right before clicking the submit button.

You are trying to say that if someone enters correct address, you can just go with "you didn't enter correct address" and steal funds, there is probably no possible way for customer to prove that they entered "good" address.

I dont understand your point here ...

So we Chinese

This is first time I have seen thumbler sharing their origin. Never mind, this part is interesting:

We just wanna show that we are also doing public mixing and if there is an error in input and we can't mix, the fund is ours, this is where we can channel our private client's money to legal profit and pay tax, so when we use our own mixer, and the mixer unable to send the coins due to deliberately caused error, that becomes profit in our accounting, and we pay tax and clean the money

We service laundry for Bitcoin Monero Horizen Ripple Ethereum Classic Ethereum Komodo LiteCoin Unobtanium Zcoin Zcash Dash Binance BitcoinCash BitcoinGold LiteCoinCash in our mixer using MP2C tumbler technology for maximum anonymity

https://www.atobmixer.com/

Do you fill tax report with the same words?

Stop it Choong, stop replying them and wasting your time, concentrate on bringing down Chipmixer just like how they brought you down with allegations, Chipmixer is actually operated by FBI? Work along this line and in 3 months, they are finished

More sockpuppeting...so blackmail and defamation threats.

Stop it Choong

I don't know, Choong, you said:

~
I have no idea who that was , but She must be a genius.

[Atobmixer]

We file tax return report with "Online services"

Told you we operate from a region where the laws are open and as long as we pay tax, no questions asked, we need not provide logs, and our passport colour is dark brown , not blue not red sometimes green

laundry means mixing , not synonyms for money laundering

[Atobmixer]

WOW guys thank you so much
we are having a spike in our mixer thanks to you guys bumping the post
keep the argument going , go go go my lil soldiers
This is working out better for me

ATOBMIXER ADMIN

[marlboroza]

laundry means mixing , not synonyms for money laundering

Where?

If they enter a wrong address its our money, lemme put that in capital, IF CUSTOMER WRONGLY INPUT THE ADDRESS, THE MONEY IS OURS. We have a big notice for customers to ensure the address is right before clicking the submit button.

You are trying to say that if someone enters correct address, you can just go with "you didn't enter correct address" and steal funds, there is probably no possible way for customer to prove that they entered "good" address.

I dont understand your point here

Lets try different approach.

What happens if you take someone's funds because they maybe used "wrong" address, and your customer say they didn't?

Is it your word against theirs then?

[Atobmixer]

laundry means mixing , not synonyms for money laundering

Where?

If they enter a wrong address its our money, lemme put that in capital, IF CUSTOMER WRONGLY INPUT THE ADDRESS, THE MONEY IS OURS. We have a big notice for customers to ensure the address is right before clicking the submit button.

You are trying to say that if someone enters correct address, you can just go with "you didn't enter correct address" and steal funds, there is probably no possible way for customer to prove that they entered "good" address.

I dont understand your point here

Lets try different approach.

What happens if you take someone's funds because they maybe used "wrong" address, and your customer said they didn't?

Is it your word against theirs then?

Dear Cheapmixer agent,

That doesnt happen if they input the right address, the coins are mixed and sent to them , no dispute needed.

again you are talking on something that never happened before

is your next question gonna be "what if a asteroid hits world and everyone dies, will you still send the mixed coins to the customers?"

If users input right address then its right and the mixing happens, coins are mixed in a secured manner using MP2C system,

However if they enter a wrong address then its donation towards our system and we pay tax and buy a bottles of wine and enjoy with the Russian girls with the money.

So please ensure the address is entered correctly or we are buying wine with the money received as donation towards our system.

Atobmixer ADMIN

[marlboroza]

Dear Cheapmixer agent,

That doesnt happen if they input the right address, the coins are mixed and sent to them , no dispute needed.

Dear moron,

what happens if you take someone's funds because they maybe used "wrong" address, and your customer say they didn't?

[Atobmixer]

Dear Cheapmixer agent,

That doesnt happen if they input the right address, the coins are mixed and sent to them , no dispute needed.

Dear moron,

what happens if you take someone's funds because they maybe used "wrong" address, and your customer say they didn't?

Dear Chipmixer agent,

That doesnt happen, if they put the right address , they will get their funds mixed using secured MP2C mixing system. No dispute needed

ATOBMIXER ADMIN

[eddie13]

However if they enter a wrong address then its donation towards our system and we pay tax and buy a bottles of wine and enjoy with the Russian girls with the money.

So please ensure the address is entered correctly or we are buying wine with the money received as donation towards our system.

Lol, that is the disclaimer you should put on the site!

[Atobmixer]

However if they enter a wrong address then its donation towards our system and we pay tax and buy a bottles of wine and enjoy with the Russian girls with the money.

So please ensure the address is entered correctly or we are buying wine with the money received as donation towards our system.

Lol, that is the disclaimer you should put on the site!

LOL LOL you seriously cracked me up, LOL you made my day, i wish i could actually do that, that would be fun

[TryNinja]

LOL. Sounds like a teenager that decided to « open an easy business » and now went full mental breakdown. I started posting as a worry community member - just like I did with other mixers, which sometimes even lead to me chearing for them - but now it’s pretty clear that OP should NOT own any website at all. This whole behavior makes me doubt if he even does anything with the coins - like he says - or just sends coins from an address to the other (probably the last one). Actions and behavior speaks higher than words (empty ones).

There is no point of return anymore, OP. I don’t think you will be getting many customers after all of this (you will probably say otherwise, tho. lol).

Just one last thing, if that matters. People are here for years and they act the same for everyone. You can scream all you want that this is a ChipMixer raid, but anyone with a half brain can see that the concerns are 100% valid.

[Atobmixer]

LOL. Sounds like a teenager that decided to « open an easy business » and now went full mental breakdown. I started posting as a worry community member - just like I did with other mixers, which sometimes even lead to me chearing for them - but now it’s pretty clear that OP should NOT own any website at all. This whole behavior makes me doubt if he even does anything with the coins - like he says - or just sends coins from an address to the other (probably the last one). Actions and behavior speaks higher than words (empty ones).

There is no point of return anymore, OP. I don’t think you will be getting many customers after all of this (you will probably say otherwise, tho. lol).

Just one last thing, if that matters. People are here for years and they act the same for everyone. You can scream all you want that this is a ChipMixer raid, but anyone with a half brain can see that the concerns are 100% valid.

OK so we are done with your assumptions , so we can move on now

was a pleasure

[eddie13]

What happens if you take someone's funds because they maybe used "wrong" address, and your customer say they didn't?

Is it your word against theirs then?

This is a valid concern..

If you (mixer guy) want to consider invalid addresses as donations you should clearly state that on the page and provide a way for customers to prove what addresses they entered with an unforgeable receipt or something before the mixing process is started, to protect you both in case of any scam accusations...

i wish i could actually do that, that would be fun

I think you need to state something similar even if you don't have the balls to keep the wine and prostitutes part..
Or implement address verification like other users here are recommending..

You can scream all you want that this is a ChipMixer raid, but anyone with a half brain can see that the concerns are 100% valid.

Imagine never being on Bitcointalk before, googling "bitcoin mixer", and ending up reading this thread..
All the chipmixer signatures do look like shit if someone didn't know better..

Not to say concerns aren't valid, but wearing signatures does have its downsides..

[Atobmixer]

What happens if you take someone's funds because they maybe used "wrong" address, and your customer say they didn't?

Is it your word against theirs then?

This is a valid concern..

If you (mixer guy) want to consider invalid addresses as donations you should clearly state that on the page and provide a way for customers to prove what addresses they entered with an unforgeable receipt or something before the mixing process is started, to protect you both in case of any scam accusations...

i wish i could actually do that, that would be fun

I think you need to state something similar even if you don't have the balls to keep the wine and prostitutes part..
Or implement address verification like other users here are recommending..

You can scream all you want that this is a ChipMixer raid, but anyone with a half brain can see that the concerns are 100% valid.

Imagine never being on Bitcointalk before, googling "bitcoin mixer", and ending up reading this thread..
All the chipmixer signatures do look like shit if someone didn't know better..

Not to say concerns aren't valid, but wearing signatures does have its downsides..

Yes you are right, will work on the receipt for scam accusations, what you say sounds wayyyyy more professional and very constructive suggestion, the way you said it makes alot of different compared to the chipmixer agents, they were all about accusation, negative marketing, and defaming i would never want my badge on any of them ever , it will be a disgrace to my website's good name

Eitherway, FYI the game is still on, I give it 3 months, you defame me , i defame you, being a mirror , i behave like how you behave

[marlboroza]

Yes you are right, will work on the receipt for scam accusations, what you say sounds wayyyyy more professional and very constructive suggestion, the way you said it makes alot of different compared to the chipmixer agents, they were all about accusation, negative marketing, and defaming i would never want my badge on any of them ever , it will be a disgrace to my website's good name

Eddie13 more or less repeated what I asked you...

Imagine never being on Bitcointalk before, googling "bitcoin mixer", and ending up reading this thread..
All the chipmixer signatures do look like shit if someone didn't know better..

Not to say concerns aren't valid, but wearing signatures does have its downsides..

It might look like that, but if someone posted some concerns from newbie account, they would be accused of spreading FUD from newbie account and "they are scared to post from their real account so their voice doesn't count", or accounts with signature are usually accused of spamming for cents, or accounts without signature are usually accused of just spreading FUD.

Non of that really addresses anything, final line, "who" is pretty much irrelevant.

what you say sounds wayyyyy more professional and very constructive suggestion, the way you said it makes alot of different compared to the chipmixer agents

Are you really pulling this card?

However if they enter a wrong address then its donation towards our system and we pay tax and buy a bottles of wine and enjoy with the Russian girls with the money.

***puff puff pass Thursday ***

[SockyMcSockFace]

Is it really that difficult to implement basic address validation? Instead of simply putting all the onus on the user to ensure everything is 100% correct, shouldn't (wouldn't?) a "professional" want to try to mitigate the risks and make things as easy and "safe" as possible for the end user?

Almost all decent services (mixers, exchanges, gambling sites etc) have some sort of basic address validation to prevent users from entering an "invalid" address. Note that this is a completely different scenario to a "wrong" address, which could be caused by copy/paste virus or the user copying from the wrong wallet etc. You can't easily protect against that. You can however easily stop a user entering "thisISMyBitcoinAddress" in a bitcoin address field!

However, I can type whatever I want in the box, "gfhfghjgffghgfhfghdh" and then when I try to mix I see:
https://i.imgur.com/kd9Jftd.png

So, it would seem that a user can't even double check that the address has been entered correctly before sending money. Is there a way that the user can do a last minute double check what address(es) the coins will be sent to before sending money? Or is it only after sending that they get a letter of guarantee etc?


Also, I'm not sure I would personally trust a business owner who conducts their business while high:

This crucial decision was made over some high quality Godfather OG Marijuana.

***puff puff pass Thursday ***

I don't have anything against recreational drug use, but it doesn't give me confidence that the business is being run in a professional manner. Much like Elon Musk smoking up. It's bad "optics". Best of luck with your mixing service, and I hope you consider some of the very good recommendations that have already been made. I like Eddie's idea of a signed receipt. Using a signed message from a publicly staked address that states the addresses entered would be good.

[eddie13]

you defame me , i defame you, being a mirror , i behave like how you behave

Let me explain some things to you..

As far as I know not a single one of these users have anything to do with ChipMixer other than being paid to advertise for them with their add on every one of their posts..
They are not in any way agents of the company ChipMixer, or out to hurt the competition of ChipMixer..  
I have tried doing the same thing, advertising for CM like them, but they have not accepted me, because reasons..

The CM advertising campaign is the best of the best and highest paid on the forum, and they have limited positions, so only the best of the best users get accepted by them..
Therefore, when you see someone wearing a CM advertising signature, you can reasonably deduce from that that they are some of the best and most powerful users on this forum.. If you want to have a good time here you do not want to get on their bad side, which you are doing..

You should darn well know how many scams their are in the crypto space so how can you blame them for scrutinizing and finding flaws in your service?
You come with this out of the middle of nowhere, ofcourse it looks like it could possibly be a scam to most of us.. Ok, yeah, maybe they aren't so nice about it all the time..

Fighting with them is not a good plan.. It is a losing strategy if you want to be here on this forum.. ChipMixer actually has absolutely nothing to do with this so attacking ChipMixer is also a poor strategy..


A good strategy would be to work on fixing these flaws that have been identified with your mixer, and trying to salvage what you can of your relationship with these users..

The first thing you should do is remove the negative feedback you left on their profiles, because now you know they aren't "ChipMixer" or CM agents/employees at all..
Maybe apologize a little bit for being a noob here and not knowing how things work around here, and coming in with a bit too big of a head..
Then, maybe, you can eventually get them to remove their negative they put onto your profile, which would be very good for you if you want your service to have any success here..

Your sent negatives are basically meaningless no matter what words they contain, on the other hand their negatives are very powerful.. You are far outgunned in that department, and you fucked up by doing that in more ways than one.. So you should most definitely take it back or it won't matter how good your mixer is or not, you will just end up screwed because of your mistakes..
Don't use that negative button atleast untill you know what you are doing.. It's kinda a big deal..