[overview] Lauda's DefaultTrust statistics & relevant topics list

[Timelord2067]

Lauda's just changed both his email address and his PGP keys.

(and he also removed one of the two negative trust feedbacks he'd previously left for me the same day he's telling others to ~Timelord2067 - Lauda is becoming increasingly confused about what he's saying and doing)

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[dragonvslinux]

Since this topic was bumped, OP updated with latest most merited topic:

• (36) [Cult of Lauda] An historic peace: Rome’s treaty with Carthage by Lauda, February 8th 2020

[dragonvslinux]

Statistics updated & new chart added.

[dragonvslinux]

Updated:

• 07/03/20: Archived
  
  • Statistics updated, latest topics added.

[truth or dare]

where did this one go?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2582458.msg26299465#msg26299465

This threat is a very valuable source of information. Excellent work.

[dragonvslinux]

Statistics updated:

Latest topic added:

• Another Lauda topic : Can we review the feedback she lefts? by Side chain, March 13th

[dragonvslinux]

OP updated.

• Statistics updated with necessary y-axis modifications
  
• DT1 Inclusions linear trend-line included
• Latest topics added and disclaimer updated.

[mindrust]

That's what I'd call "death spiral".

No chance to make a comeback from here probably.

[LoyceV]

No chance to make a comeback from here probably.

When theymos changed DefaultTrust, Lauda went from being excluded on DT2 straight to being included on DT1. In the last month, Lauda went from 13 exclusions on DT2 to 4 exclusions. I expect Lauda to keep bouncing on and off DT2 for a while.

[dragonvslinux]

No chance to make a comeback from here probably.

Lauda went from 13 exclusions on DT2 to 4 exclusions. I expect Lauda to keep bouncing on and off DT2 for a while.

Likewise. A re-test of the DT1 Inclusions "power trend-line" is pretty likely that sits around 4 at the moment, even if it takes until the end of the year. I expect it to act as strong resistance however, after failing to find support from it late last year with a classic "dead cat bounce" scenario. Then continue to follow the linear trend-line down hill would be my estimated outcome.

If Lauda was a shitcoin, I woudn't be investing put it that way  

Updated:

Suggested local rules:

• No speculating on statistics, take it elsewhere.

[LoyceV]

Likewise. A re-test of the DT1 Inclusions "power trend-line" is pretty likely that sits around 4 at the moment

Lauda being blacklisted from DT1 gives rediculous power to other individual DT1-members to influence Lauda's DT2-status. For example, I could single handedly drop Lauda to 7 DT2-exclusions, or raise Lauda to 2 DT2-exclusions.

Bear with me:

Trust list for: Lauda (Trust: +32 / =6 / -6) (1640 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h)

~Lauda's judgement is Distrusted by:
9. OgNasty (Trust: +74 / =4 / -4) (DT1! (7) 878 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. A-Bolt (Trust: neutral) (DT1 (-2) 404 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. peloso (Trust: +2 / =3 / -3) (DT1 (-9) 164 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. ibminer (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 779 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
28. TookDk (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 41 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
34. Timelord2067 (Trust: +8 / =5 / -2) (DT1 (-11) 436 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
35. figmentofmyass (Trust: neutral) (DT1 (-1) 777 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
39. by rallier (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 315 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
56. willi9974 (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-1) 171 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
58. suchmoon (Trust: +14 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (32) 4196 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
63. Rmcdermott927 (Trust: +26 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 53 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
84. zazarb (Trust: +25 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-2) 491 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
95. WhiteManWhite (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (6) 105 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
97. The Pharmacist (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 2516 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
105. eddie13 (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 971 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
113. TheFuzzStone (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 908 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
134. bobita (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 547 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
137. Vispilio (Trust: +9 / =2 / -1) (DT1! (0) 954 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
140. imhoneer (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 478 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
149. Blacknavy (Trust: +6 / =0 / -2) (DT1! (1) 971 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
170. Steamtyme (Trust: +7 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1622 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
184. Veleor (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1426 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
190. 3meek (Trust: neutral) (DT1 (-3) 227 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
213. DdmrDdmr (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 3818 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
227. Bthd (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 686 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
228. fillippone (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (12) 3317 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
230. madnessteat (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1018 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

Adding this to my Trust list would drop Lauda from DT2 (-4) to DT2 (-7):

Code:

figmentofmyass
willi9974
~Lauda

Adding this to my Trust list would raise Lauda from DT2 (-4) to DT2 (-2):

Code:

~Vispilio
Lauda

If 2 DT1-members coordinate their Trust list changes, they can push Lauda anywhere between 9 exclusions and 1 inclusion on DT2.

[Timelord2067]

Adding this to my Trust list would drop Lauda from DT2 (-4) to DT2 (-7):

Code:

figmentofmyass
willi9974
~Lauda

Adding this to my Trust list would raise Lauda from DT2 (-4) to DT2 (-2):

Code:

~Vispilio
Lauda

If 2 DT1-members coordinate their Trust list changes, they can push Lauda anywhere between 9 exclusions and 1 inclusion on DT2.

Is this before or after this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213618.msg54570193#msg54570193

Are you saying by trusting figmentofmyass and willi9974 their votes would push Lauda down?


Are you able to show what the landscape would look like if all who are able to be on DT1 were instead of 100 being randomly selected?


The knives are certainly out tonight: https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx

[LoyceV]

Is this before or after this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213618.msg54570193#msg54570193

That post is about BPIP and doesn't influence this.

Are you saying by trusting figmentofmyass and willi9974 their votes would push Lauda down?

Yes. They need one more DT1-inclusion to be on DT1.

Are you able to show what the landscape would look like if all who are able to be on DT1 were instead of 100 being randomly selected?

That would be a combination of this and this. Although interesting, it's not something I can quickly create.

[Timelord2067]

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Figment's sunk to -2 so it would need to be a collaborative thing to manipulate DT more than it already is and given he distrusts me, I'll sit that one out.

[dragonvslinux]

Adding this to my Trust list would raise Lauda from DT2 (-4) to DT2 (-2):

Code:

~Vispilio
Lauda

If 2 DT1-members coordinate their Trust list changes, they can push Lauda anywhere between 9 exclusions and 1 inclusion on DT2.

That took just less than 10 minutes 

The knives are certainly out tonight: https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx

Edit, then this happens:



What's odd is that gospodin doesn't even trust Lauda, in fact the user is distrusted by Lauda 

[Timelord2067]

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I doubt either one in your examples truly understands the ramifications of their constant manipulations within their own community, much-less the wider BitCoinTalk community. (it has nudged Lauda back to minus three however)

[suchmoon]

Edit, then this happens:

That didn't happen. When users drop out of DT1 sometimes the DT2 list is not updated in sync, which causes problems on BPIP. This gets cleaned up eventually.

I feel like I've spent so much time explaining this over the past few months that I should just fix it  

[dragonvslinux]

Edit, then this happens:

That didn't happen. When users drop out of DT1 sometimes the DT2 list is not updated in sync, which causes problems on BPIP. This gets cleaned up eventually.

I feel like I've spent so much time explaining this over the past few months that I should just fix it  

Please do, saves me and others making the same mistake more than once  

[dragonvslinux]

No chance to make a comeback from here probably.

Lauda went from 13 exclusions on DT2 to 4 exclusions. I expect Lauda to keep bouncing on and off DT2 for a while.

Likewise. A re-test of the DT1 Inclusions "power trend-line" is pretty likely that sits around 4 at the moment, even if it takes until the end of the year.

Statistics updated, two new graphs added (and one replaced; total members distrust changed for all trust percentages).
Titles & labels changed for clarity such as "DT1 Inclusions" changed to "DefaultTrust Strength" as well as "ex-DT" corrected to DT1 or "Voting-Only DT1".

Interestingly enough the cat is back with +7 DT2 strength, however remains -2 DT1 strength. Being blacklisted from DT1, means the cat is back on DefaultTrust.
Notably there were 0 changes in inclusions & exclusions since going from -2 to +7 DT2 strength, this was merely caused by a DT update.

The following questions can now be asked:

• Should members be allowed to blacklist themselves from DT1 if it benefits them in order to gain DT2 inclusion?
• Should members who request to be blacklisted from DT1 be blacklisted from DefaultTrust all together, if they would otherwise be excluded if selected as DT1?

I don't think Lauda is only the member here who benefits from not being selected into DT1, and therefore gaining DT2 inclusions. Other members also have higher DT2 strength than DT1 I've noticed. This merely serves as a good example.

LoyceV also asked an interesting question along the lines of whether it's intended that DT1 excluded members can still make inclusions/exclusions to other DT1 members, if they are ultimately distrusted by "acting" DT1 members (cant' find quote though).

edit:

Lauda had (2) net-inclusions on DT1.
Lauda now has 6 net-inclusions on DT2.
Lauda got blacklisted from DT1.

I have 2 scenarios
1: suppose Lauda wasn't blacklisted, but got 3 more exclusions from other DT1 members. That would mean Lauda was removed from DefaultTrust entirely.

2: the current state (Lauda blacklisted from DT1). Now suppose Lauda gets the same 3 exclusions from DT1. That would mean Lauda still has 3 net-inclusions on DT2 and remains on DefaultTrust.

This means it is possible that a DT1-exclusion leads to a member being on DT which wouldn't happen without blacklisting. This is probably caused by the fact that excluded DT1-members can vote against other DT1-members, but they can't vote against DT2-members.
Is that the intended behaviour of the DefaultTrust system?

[suchmoon]

LoyceV also asked an interesting question along the lines of whether it's intended that DT1 excluded members can still make inclusions/exclusions to other DT1 members, if they are ultimately distrusted by "acting" DT1 members (cant' find quote though).

I think this is becoming a joke. There's one shithead with -15 still wreaking havoc in DT1, extorting other members with exclusions/inclusions. I think the idea was that such a person would ultimately stop being eligible for DT1 due to not having 10+ inclusions from merit-earning users but that's clearly not happening and with more and more merit being spread around there will be more merited idiots including other idiots. Perhaps exclusions should count against DT1 eligibility (e.g. if you're excluded by 2 users with 250+ merit, then that negates 2 inclusions from users with 250+ merit) but that probably would open other avenues for abuse.