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March 05, 2020, 12:09:12 PM
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Quote from: Wind_FURY
Or that he might be under orders by "someone" to troll the Bitcoin community. Plus he's selling his shitcoin to innocent newbies, making millions from them.

I don't see it as trolling but rather a strategy to divide the bitcoin community up... It's the classic strategy at play here, Divide and conquer.  I mean think about it who benefits if the bitcoin community and can't even decide on which fork is the real bitcoin or Satoshi's bitcoin? what kind of message does it send to the masses? As someone who is just dipping their toes in the world of cryptos might get confused from the get-go when everyone is claiming to be the Satoshi's Bitcoin...  

It's the bankers and governments who benefit off from this... As bitcoin is a threat to traditional banking and traditional form of governments. They might be backing these individuals up because at the end of the day they benefit the most if you ask me...
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March 06, 2020, 04:28:59 AM
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OTOH, the _technology_ which BSV embodies is much closer to what satoshi bequeathed unto us as compared to the technology which BTC embodies. As such, it is BTC which is arguably the 'rival technology'.

"Bequeathed unto us?" Do you believe Satoshi's last build to be some kind of religious instruction? A Ten Commandments-esque fixture never to be broken for fear of incurring his wrath? The fact is nobody said Bitcoin isn't allowed to evolve. Since Satoshi isn't around, we don't know whether he would approve or disapprove of implementations that could not have been conceived during his time.

BSV isn't even a rival technology so much as a cash grab led by a pathologically-lying egomaniac. Its success is solely reliant on the farce that CSW is Satoshi. It doesn't threaten BTC in the slightest, though I know your cult leader prefers the narrative that it does.

Espousing a belief that BSV is at all similar to Bitcoin 0.1 is also a farcical talking point. The fact is the BSV code still contains changes made by Peter Wuille, Greg Maxwell and even Amaury Sechet. That idea is just religiously-held dogma not dissimilar to the Calvinist sect of Christianity representing a purer form of what Christ intended.

You wield your supposed razor as would a religious zealot.

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March 06, 2020, 10:07:40 AM
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Fascinating. Clicking that link finds the following:

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https://medium.com/@craig_10243/ccbe22f2637e
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Sorry.
This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.

What could this mean? Is the Wayback Machine not a bulletproof historical record after all?


He will have requested (or demanded) to have his content removed. It probably also means that he has excluded bots from scraping the posts.

You can still use archive.fo and archive.today. You can also save it as a pdf and as a screenshot.

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March 06, 2020, 12:10:06 PM
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Fascinating. Clicking that link finds the following:
Code:
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https://medium.com/@craig_10243/ccbe22f2637e
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Sorry.
This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.

What could this mean? Is the Wayback Machine not a bulletproof historical record after all?

He will have requested (or demanded) to have his content removed. It probably also means that he has excluded bots from scraping the posts.

You can still use archive.fo and archive.today. You can also save it as a pdf and as a screenshot.

gotta love revisionist history.

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March 06, 2020, 06:12:34 PM
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* nullius dons moderation hat.

I should have known better to have IRL concerns drawing me away from the forum just after hv_ tested the waters again...

Deleted two posts filled with lies, half-truths, and assorted disinformation by jbreher:
http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5397/53972154.html
http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5397/53973685.html

The posts are preserved for anyone to examine—because I am not Craig Wright, who evidently likes to memory-hole his own writing when convenient:


Fascinating. Clicking that link finds the following:

Code:
Internet Archive's Wayback Machine
https://medium.com/@craig_10243/ccbe22f2637e
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Sorry.
This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.

I also find it curious that jbreher managed to very selectively quote-mine this thread, and yet...

You seem driven by illogical emotion.

[...]

Another illogical emotional outburst?

...avoided seeing this point which bears repeating, plus similar notes:

If you insist on defending Bitcoin with only facts and logic, then you will confine Bitcoin advocacy to a few obscure forums inhabited mostly by crypto-coders and technology enthusiasts with robot-logic.  Thus will you surrender Bitcoin to those whose weapons are only emotional and psychological manipulation—unavoidably, to such swindlers as Craig Wright.  Observe that with no facts on his side, and with no logic on his side, he successfully persuades many people who do not think through facts and logic.

I assure you that the emotional impact of my Anastasia essay was fully, consciously intendedand moreover, intended to be exemplary:  This is how it’s done, folks!  If you want to defeat the psychological support on which Craig Wright builds his hollow lies, then find ways to wrap true facts and sound logic in an emotionally evocative form of argument, delivered with a rhetorical eloquence measured according to the audience.  (On that last point, observe that OP was authored with much simpler language than this explanation, kept short, and bracketed by pictures.)  Then, you will have the winning combination that Faketoshi lacks:  The facts and logic that he lacks, plus a potent weapon against his manipulation of people who neither verify facts, nor coldly reason from premises to conclusions.  Under the weight of your logical iron core wrapped in passions, Faketoshi will implode as an empty shell.

See also, in a different thread:

Blackhat Mindhacking 101:  Exploiting Wetware Insecurity

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Nullian Rule:  To exercise fully independent judgment in the face of opposition requires that one’s humility be inversely proportional to the strength of the opposition.

And the delicate Internet tea-party debate-club members would never dream of using ad hominem argumentation, even when it is objectively correct!  Need I remind you that argumentum ad hominem is only an “informal fallacy”, and is not at all fallacious when personality and personal credibility are relevant tono, are the issues being argued?  Oops, I forgot that.  I became so “logical” that I feel like I should avoid anything ad hominem.

[...]

Dr. Wright has been expertly “verified” by the Bitcoin Chief Scientist.  He also has some peer pressure on his side.  hv_ and his buddies are Internet nobodies; but then, I’m the guy who named himself “of nobody” on the Internet.  Who am I to call hv_ such nasty names as “shill”, “liar”, etc.?  Him, and plenty like him (a dime a dozen)...  Who am I to stand against Dr. Wright and the Bitcoin Chief Scientist and a crowd of folks?  Authority plus peer pressure!*again  When Dr. Wright sounds so sure...

[...]

Maybe my eyes are lying to me, or maybe I made a big mistake—and then everyone will laugh at me, because the sky actually is green, and the Earth is flat, and 2 + 2 = 5, and Dr. Craig Steven Wright invented Bitcoin, and I’m just so stupid that I didn’t realize it.

* nullius is suddenly feeling so insecure. :-(



Moderation note:  Posts in this thread may be deleted according to my mood.  And I am in a bad mood.  Please be kind to Anastasia, and honest toward Satoshi.  Thank you.

As to Craig Wright, of course, the only question worth addressing is the threshold question of a verifiable signed message from Satoshi.

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March 06, 2020, 06:18:16 PM
Last edit: March 06, 2020, 07:36:11 PM by jbreher
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Fascinating. Clicking that link finds the following:

Code:
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https://medium.com/@craig_10243/ccbe22f2637e
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Sorry.
This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.

What could this mean? Is the Wayback Machine not a bulletproof historical record after all?


He will have requested (or demanded) to have his content removed.

"He". Presumably Craig? Seems plausible, even likely. Does Wayback provide any attribution traceability? I.e., is there any way to prove that removal was requested, and if so, by whom?

While I never had any reason to look into it, I had always just sort of assumed that Wayback was an incorruptible, unalterable record of past states of parts of the internet. Imagine my surprise to learn that this is not the case.

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You can still use archive.fo and archive.today.

Thanks. That even worked: http://archive.ph/LMrM4

I may have more to say after I read it.

Though it does occur to me that there seems to be a valid use case for a high-capacity, unalterable, append-only database, free to be written by anyone who might care to pay whatever the market deems proper to get their data included, and free to be read at no cost by anyone anywhere at any time.

If only such a thing existed....

Oh. Wait...

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March 06, 2020, 07:33:54 PM
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oh boy, you guys got jbreher in here. Going to find some popcorn.

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March 07, 2020, 11:07:28 PM
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oh boy, you guys got jbreher in here.

Not for long. ;-)

Going to find some popcorn.

Bring it on over to Reputation...

The attentive reader will note that a challenge has been issued to nullius to rebut any "lies" he claims that I have posted. Shall s/he rise to the occasion?

I will do better than that:  I will demonstrate that you are a liar, generally.  That is a judgment of your personal character, not merely of your actions.  You have spent years consistently promoting scams and lying about Bitcoin.  You are dishonest and untrustworthy.

However, my judgment of your character is off-topic in this thread.  I have therefore split this out to where it belongs, the Reputation forum, q.v.:



I do so not because you challenged me (for I contemn your “challenge”), but because I think it is in the public interest occasionally to make such an exemplary case.

Moderation notice:  Further argument with or about jbreher will be deleted from here as off-topic, and archived on the above-referenced Reputation thread.

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January 19, 2021, 04:37:02 PM
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Erm apologies in advance for unearthing this thread, it seems like
the best place to post the News below. [My search for newer threads
for Craig Wright have not shown ant results]

Has anyone seen the news from the last 4 days in relation to CSW?
He has won a minor victory appealing a Defamation Claim, My interest
was Piqued once the name Craig Wright appeared. This is from the 15th
of Jan.

https://coingeek.com/craig-wright-wins-landmark-case-in-english-court-of-appeal-defamation-claim-vs-hodlonaut-to-proceed-in-england

TBH I havent been following these cases involving CSW, it is becoming
tedious, drawn out and boring but after reading the article I did a search
and came across the below...

https://news.bitcoin.com/over-a-hundred-10-year-old-bitcoin-addresses-signed-calling-craig-wright-a-fraud/

GAME OVER

*if this post is a duplicate of another elswhere please delete

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