localbitcoin steals me?

[paddy_exchange]

localbitcoin steals me?

I have got 0.04233733 btc insite localbitcoin
I tried to withdraw
localbitcoin doesn't allow
localbitcoin has changed T&C and tell me
if you want your money accept the conditions
I do not want to accept imposed conditions
I may not accept
localbitcoin can close my account if wants
but localbitcion must allow me to withdraw my money before

but no...

to localbitcoin

I have to accept the conditions yes or yes or bye bye muy bitcoin...

localbitcoin steals me?

***

localbitcoin has my national identity document.
It is not identification. It is rejection of change of coditions

[philipma1957]

complex question

  answer is do you have a full copy of old

T&C?

print it out and show it here.

if you don’t have the old T&C. you have zero case.

if you have the old T&C. we could read it and see if they have the right to change and force new rules on you.


my guess is you will lose your coin if you don’t comply to new T&C

as the old one will have a line that allows them to alter t&c.

therefore you will need to comply to get the coin.


i also think  🤔 the question belongs in service discussion not here.

[mk4]

I mean, I don't think you have any other choice. The new T&C requires KYC/AML documents to be submitted, right? If so, unfortunately you're probably going to need to submit the required documents to gain back access to your funds.

Anyway, another perfect reason on why you shouldn't unnecessarily leave funds on custodial platforms.

[TryNinja]

Shouldn’t they give you the option to not accept the new T&C, close your account and give your coins back? I don’t think they have any legal grounds to make you accept it or lose your money. Try contacting them with this alternative if you don’t mind getting your account terminated (you will need the KYC anyways to continue with it).

[audaciousbeing]

localbitcoin steals me?

I have got 0.04233733 btc insite localbitcoin
I tried to withdraw
localbitcoin doesn't allow
localbitcoin has changed T&C and tell me
if you want your money accept the conditions
I do not want to accept imposed conditions
I may not accept
localbitcoin can close my account if wants
but localbitcion must allow me to withdraw my money before

but no...

to localbitcoin

I have to accept the conditions yes or yes or bye bye muy bitcoin...

localbitcoin steals me?

While I understand your grouse against local bitcoin, unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done about it. They can change their Terms and Conditions as they wish and they even don't have to notify you but they would because I know anytime there is going to be a major update such as this, they send a notification to all their customers.

So, you have one option either to forget about the money and the KYC or fill the KYC and have access to your funds, there is no alternative to that...

[hello_good_sir]

Shouldn’t they give you the option to not accept the new T&C, close your account and give your coins back? I don’t think they have any legal grounds to make you accept it or lose your money. Try contacting them with this alternative if you don’t mind getting your account terminated (you will need the KYC anyways to continue with it).

I certainly agree.

However when it comes to the issue of KYC (if that is what OP is worried about) then I think the chances that LBC will budge will be relatively slim, due to the fact that they'll constantly refer back to the significance of KYC/AML procedures. There is no point going the legal route either because a) the amounts involved are so small and b) you will have to obviously identify yourself.

And I'm sure that there are clauses in the old T&Cs that state they can request KYC docs any time, which makes the situation more sticky. The best you can do is negotiate at this point.

[bitmover]

Shouldn’t they give you the option to not accept the new T&C, close your account and give your coins back? I don’t think they have any legal grounds to make you accept it or lose your money.

You are correct and your line of thinking makes sense.
But probably in the old T&C, which he agreed, gave the exchange the power to changes terms at any time and to hold his coins...

Anyway, another perfect reason on why you shouldn't unnecessarily leave funds on custodial platforms.

Certainly.
When you leave money in custodial services you may not only lose it if the custodial services disappear, but also have your account frozen for many reasons.
Authorities may decide to investigate the custodial service and frozen funds. Authorities or exchange may decide your account is "suspicious" until you do KYC. Or the terms may change, just like in the OP's case.

Ideally nobody should hold any funds in custodial services, only when you need to buy/sell, and immediately remove them after you complete your transaction.

[harizen]

~snipped~

Might something is missing here. What exactly did they tell you? Is this just all about that KYC thing or there are other issues?

Anyhow, if you want to get back your funds, accept their condition and undergo KYC. No choice but to comply with it.

If you don't want, then you have to say goodbye to your funds. I doubt an alternative to that will be allowed by Localbitcoin.

[Coin_trader]

as the old one will have a line that allows them to alter t&c.

I'm sure that they have this kind of line in there old T&C which most of bitcoin services usually include to protect there company in case shit happened. By the way localbitcoins approached by force implementation of new T&C to all user, I guarantee that they are holding that kind of cards in there sleeve. Most of new user didn't read Terms before clicking the register button including me.

I believe the only key to solve this issue is to follow the new T&C or else OP should accept what he is claiming for loss. I hope OP have the copy of old Terms and condition.

[paddy_exchange]

complex question

  answer is do you have a full copy of old

T&C?

print it out and show it here.

if you don’t have the old T&C. you have zero case.

if you have the old T&C. we could read it and see if they have the right to change and force new rules on you.


my guess is you will lose your coin if you don’t comply to new T&C

as the old one will have a line that allows them to alter t&c.

therefore you will need to comply to get the coin.


i also think  🤔 the question belongs in service discussion not here.

The problem is not if I have a copy of the old t & c
The problem is that localbitcoin prevents the withdrawal of funds
Localbitcoin can change the rules.
But he can't steal my money
localbitcoin cannot force a user to accept a change
localbitcoin may deny the user the use of localbitcion
But don't steal the money ...

[paddy_exchange]

I mean, I don't think you have any other choice. The new T&C requires KYC/AML documents to be submitted, right? If so, unfortunately you're probably going to need to submit the required documents to gain back access to your funds.

Anyway, another perfect reason on why you shouldn't unnecessarily leave funds on custodial platforms.

I don't know the new t & c
It is irrelevant
they're new. do not apply to users prior to acceptance
If not. NO acceptance would be necessary ...
It's more. I already sent my documents in the past.
A website cannot force a user to sign new conditions if the user does not want to.
localbitcoin can close the use of the web but not steal the money from not accepting the changes.

Yes. It is a perfect reason not to enter a single cent in pages of this type

[paddy_exchange]

Shouldn’t they give you the option to not accept the new T&C, close your account and give your coins back? I don’t think they have any legal grounds to make you accept it or lose your money. Try contacting them with this alternative if you don’t mind getting your account terminated (you will need the KYC anyways to continue with it).

should...
but localbitcoin doesn't allow me
I have rejected the conditions
and I can't withdraw my bitcoin
I have sent a ticket to support
"sign the conditions ..."
And localbitcoin don't send my bitcoin to my bitcoin address 

[paddy_exchange]

localbitcoin steals me?

I have got 0.04233733 btc insite localbitcoin
I tried to withdraw
localbitcoin doesn't allow
localbitcoin has changed T&C and tell me
if you want your money accept the conditions
I do not want to accept imposed conditions
I may not accept
localbitcoin can close my account if wants
but localbitcion must allow me to withdraw my money before

but no...

to localbitcoin

I have to accept the conditions yes or yes or bye bye muy bitcoin...

localbitcoin steals me?

While I understand your grouse against local bitcoin, unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done about it. They can change their Terms and Conditions as they wish and they even don't have to notify you but they would because I know anytime there is going to be a major update such as this, they send a notification to all their customers.

So, you have one option either to forget about the money and the KYC or fill the KYC and have access to your funds, there is no alternative to that...

My problem is not that conditions change
My problem is that localbitcoin does not allow me to withdraw my bitcoin
If localbitcoin wants to change its conditions. good. I change them
But let me withdraw my bitcoin
And let the account go by ...

[paddy_exchange]

Shouldn’t they give you the option to not accept the new T&C, close your account and give your coins back? I don’t think they have any legal grounds to make you accept it or lose your money. Try contacting them with this alternative if you don’t mind getting your account terminated (you will need the KYC anyways to continue with it).

I certainly agree.

However when it comes to the issue of KYC (if that is what OP is worried about) then I think the chances that LBC will budge will be relatively slim, due to the fact that they'll constantly refer back to the significance of KYC/AML procedures. There is no point going the legal route either because a) the amounts involved are so small and b) you will have to obviously identify yourself.

And I'm sure that there are clauses in the old T&Cs that state they can request KYC docs any time, which makes the situation more sticky. The best you can do is negotiate at this point.

do not. I'm identified ...
I just don't want to accept a change of conditions.
I want to exercise my right to withdraw my bitcoin
and that localbitcoin do what it wants with the account
But I want my bitcoin

How do you demand a virtual product like bitcoin?
Can I report it in a Spanish court?
Or being a virtual product there is no judicial support?

[paddy_exchange]

Shouldn’t they give you the option to not accept the new T&C, close your account and give your coins back? I don’t think they have any legal grounds to make you accept it or lose your money.

You are correct and your line of thinking makes sense.
But probably in the old T&C, which he agreed, gave the exchange the power to changes terms at any time and to hold his coins...

Anyway, another perfect reason on why you shouldn't unnecessarily leave funds on custodial platforms.

Certainly.
When you leave money in custodial services you may not only lose it if the custodial services disappear, but also have your account frozen for many reasons.
Authorities may decide to investigate the custodial service and frozen funds. Authorities or exchange may decide your account is "suspicious" until you do KYC. Or the terms may change, just like in the OP's case.

Ideally nobody should hold any funds in custodial services, only when you need to buy/sell, and immediately remove them after you complete your transaction.

Or how is the case
the custody service can block your funds for no reason ...
right or wrong ... the reality is that you don't have your bitcoin 

[paddy_exchange]

~snipped~

Might something is missing here. What exactly did they tell you? Is this just all about that KYC thing or there are other issues?

Anyhow, if you want to get back your funds, accept their condition and undergo KYC. No choice but to comply with it.

If you don't want, then you have to say goodbye to your funds. I doubt an alternative to that will be allowed by Localbitcoin.

> Change of conditions
> accept or reject
> reject
bitcoin locked
> mail to support
> "accept the terms"
> I don't want
> my bitcoin blocked

It is not legal for the "accept" option to be forced. It is not legal to steal bitcoin if someone does not necessarily accept.

If there is the option to accept or reject. It is because the user must be able to accept and reject. otherwise it is fraud

localbitcoin may prohibit using localbitcoin if I do not accept. But it can't steal my bitcoin if I don't accept.

The question is. Does justice allow you to report bitcoin? Or is it a product without legal backing where they can steal from us with impunity?

[NeuroticFish]

I'm identified ...
I just don't want to accept a change of conditions.
I want to exercise my right to withdraw my bitcoin
and that localbitcoin do what it wants with the account
But I want my bitcoin

You may want to update the original post and give this extra info so people won't tell you again and again about T&C and KYC.

How do you demand a virtual product like bitcoin?
Can I report it in a Spanish court?
Or being a virtual product there is no judicial support?

Virtual or not, it has to count as some sort of good/property. I think that's best to find/ask a lawyer.
Edit: I googled for ask a lawyer spain and I've seen some free services which may be what you need.

[paddy_exchange]

as the old one will have a line that allows them to alter t&c.

I'm sure that they have this kind of line in there old T&C which most of bitcoin services usually include to protect there company in case shit happened. By the way localbitcoins approached by force implementation of new T&C to all user, I guarantee that they are holding that kind of cards in there sleeve. Most of new user didn't read Terms before clicking the register button including me.

I believe the only key to solve this issue is to follow the new T&C or else OP should accept what he is claiming for loss. I hope OP have the copy of old Terms and condition.

It is very simple...
If it is not necessary to accept. no need to accept ...
If there is the option to accept ... The user must be able to accept ...

And if I do not accept. localbitcoin can even close my account. Don't steal my bitcoin

[paddy_exchange]

I'm identified ...
I just don't want to accept a change of conditions.
I want to exercise my right to withdraw my bitcoin
and that localbitcoin do what it wants with the account
But I want my bitcoin

You may want to update the original post and give this extra info so people won't tell you again and again about T&C and KYC.

How do you demand a virtual product like bitcoin?
Can I report it in a Spanish court?
Or being a virtual product there is no judicial support?

Virtual or not, it has to count as some sort of good/property. I think that's best to find/ask a lawyer.
Edit: I googled for ask a lawyer spain and I've seen some free services which may be what you need.

to do.

[BitMaxz]

~snip~

What I see here is your account is being blocked or locked and you can't able to withdraw your bitcoin out from localbitcoins.

I don't see that they steal your bitcoins they just locked your account I think if you want to withdraw better accept their new terms and verify the KYC process this time and they will unlock your account back.
Unlike before you can able to use their service without any KYC verification but right now they are forcing customers and users to accept the new terms including the KYC verification.